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Ok, so as a Simba release is really close we would really like to know from everyone who reads this if there are any issues with Simba. If there are, we can fix them or take a look at it before the release.

Bugs, annoyances, everything. I guess sticking to the negative points would be just fine, and if there are none, post that ``you didn't run into anything so far''.

So far we have no real idea how many people are actually using Simba, or why they perhaps are not using Simba.

Please let us know!

LIST

• Implement Status() correctly. After initial release, requires quite a bit of hacks
• Implement Disguise(). After initial release, requires quite a bit of hacks
• Not always show Tray Icon Done
• SRL Updater hangs on startup. Done
• Show commit messages in the SRL Updater? Won't do for now.
• Investigate Ctrl +A debug box. Works for me? (on XP anyway)
• Investigate Text selection. Will check after release
• Parser Error List (for code hints) Niels? - Probably after release
• Add more functions to function list.
• Look into problems with Code hints for Zyt3x.
• API Calls Done
• Function / Procedure on key-combo press. After initial release

Tray Icon not disappearing in a Lazarus/Windows bug I think, but we can see if it is fixable. If you just hover over it, it will disappear.

I haven't noticed any bugs or problems with Simba. Atleast I don't remember any.

Other then whats been reported in Mantis no problems here. Good to go.

When I start Simba, SRL starts to update and when I close Simba immediately it hangs and crashes.

From: nielsie95
When I start Simba, SRL starts to update and when I close Simba immediately it hangs and crashes.

Closing Simba while it is updating SRL? It should probably use a form, rather than do it in the background, making it impossible to close while upgrading?

As I previously stated, I can't Ctrl + A the debug box. It selects the whole script, rather than the debugged lines.

No further comments than the posts I've made. :p

~RM

This isn't really a bug, but when I first open the open and save as dialog, it goes to My Documents and I think it should go to the Simba/Scripts folder or have the user specify where it should automatically go.

other than what i've reported to Mantis and my dislike of your settings page, and the lack of an event handler's list like in SCAR, and the selection thing (which i filed as a bug), its pretty great!

when you press CTRL+O or just click on "Open" it should go to the scripts folder not the folder where you were last for the previous session

~shut

http://wizzup.org/simba/article/2 says that you can go to View > Extensions and enable srl.sex, yet it's not there for me? Do I have to download it…?

Other than that (and the InvertTPA problem I just made a thread about), the only problems I get are with WINE.

1. (As stated by i luffs yeww) Doing CTRL + A on the debug box highlights the script.
2. The console shows on startup even though LastConfig->Console->Visible is set to False.
3. Code hints are only working for things inside the script (procedures I made, constants, variables… WriteLn, Wait, etc etc does not show when I do CTRL + SPACE).
4. Not all functions are listed in the FunctionList, and the ones that is there should be sorted alphabetically imo.

No major bugs though :) Works great for me! Much more stable than SCAR 3.23 Beta

From: Zyt3x

4. Not all functions are listed in the FunctionList, and the ones that is there should be sorted alphabetically imo.

That happens sometimes if you make a syntax error somewhere (like forget a semicolon) or you have {} inside a statement. Look carefully at where the function list stops and see if there's anything unusual.

From: Coh3n
That happens sometimes if you make a syntax error somewhere (like forget a semicolon) or you have {} inside a statement. Look carefully at where the function list stops and see if there's anything unusual.

I am talking about functions like Delete(), Copy() and so on… procedures that should show up even though you made a syntax error

Coh3n: http://git.villavu.com/?p=simba.git;a=blob;f=Extensions/srl.sex;h=7d61b8cc7d5b0c748f3f19e118b04b867f20289e;hb=HEAD

You didn't use the installer if its not in Extensions already! Just so you know ;)

From: Nava2
Coh3n: http://git.villavu.com/?p=simba.git;a=blob;f=Extensions/srl.sex;h=7d61b8cc7d5b0c748f3f19e118b04b867f20289e;hb=HEAD

You didn't use the installer if its not in Extensions already! Just so you know ;)

He can just place it in the Extensions/ folder.

From: i luffs yeww
As I previously stated, I can't Ctrl + A the debug box. It selects the whole script, rather than the debugged lines.

Selects the debug lines here..

From: Zyt3x
1. (As stated by i luffs yeww) Doing CTRL + A on the debug box highlights the script.
2. The console shows on startup even though LastConfig->Console->Visible is set to False.
3. Code hints are only working for things inside the script (procedures I made, constants, variables… WriteLn, Wait, etc etc does not show when I do CTRL + SPACE).
4. Not all functions are listed in the FunctionList, and the ones that is there should be sorted alphabetically imo.

No major bugs though :) Works great for me! Much more stable than SCAR 3.23 Beta

That Console bug should really *not* happen.. I guess it's morel like a Vista bug :(.. Same goes for ctrl + a, it works perfectly here @ xp.
3) Yes there are some functions that aren't added to the function list yet, haven't found time to add these.. Noted.
4) Agree

Most times, when I close Simba, the client closes, then reopens, and freezes, so I have to task manager it away. I haven't updated for a week though, maybe that was fixed..

Plus the debug thing is broken for me too.

Disguise and Status don't seem to work.

Also, is there any way to disable the Simba icon in the Tray area? Or at least only have it appear after you minimize to tray?

From: tarajunky
Disguise and Status don't seem to work.

Also, is there any way to disable the Simba icon in the Tray area? Or at least only have it appear after you minimize to tray?

Oh right. I forgot to mention that.

Status doesn't work, it just writes it in the debug box.

^ Meaning that it actually does work correctly, right? :p

As for Disguise, I'd like to see that work properly, rather than saying Disguise: *text*.

From: i luffs yeww
^ Meaning that it actually does work correctly, right? :p

As for Disguise, I'd like to see that work properly, rather than saying Disguise: *text*.

Status and Writeln did not do the same thing when I used SCAR last..

I know, but that's not a bug. There's no report box, as there's no point (Wizzup? or Raymond said something along those lines when someone brought it up before).

From: i luffs yeww
I know, but that's not a bug. There's no report box, as there's no point (Wizzup? or Raymond said something along those lines when someone brought it up before).

Status is the bottom of the script where (in SCAR, haven't really looked in Simba) the script said "Script running" etc and you could have it say things that it was doing, without clogging the debug box.

Writeln is the debug box.

AddtoReport is in SCAR only and adds to the report box.

Status should not do Writeln, it should do status. Try it in SCAR, you'll see the difference.

Whoa. I don't even know how I read what you were saying..

:) But still, I remember someone bringing this up and apparently it's not the easiest thing to add.

There is no point for disguise…

And status doesn't work because there is no status bar.

*Generally more stable while running.

Monitors for me =]. I don't know if this is related to the monitor thing, but sometimes the mini icons don't go away after I close and that just loads up the taskbar. Also, I cannot content from simba screen on one machine (lets call it 1) to simba screen on another machine (lets call it 2) while in any sort of RD connection; however I can copy from scar (1) to simba (2) in the same session. :)

Fantastic program. I am looking forward to a power release.

Disguise can be used as a pseudo-status bar.

I think debug filtering could almost be better than the status bar.

I've been using it for quite a while now but it's been just open and play and I haven't noticed any error with that :)

If a Status bar is too hard to add, and Disguise would be easier to add, why not add it?

There is a bunch of information that can be displayed in real-time that can be helpful if you want to check on a script. Stuff that would only serve to clutter the debug box, and has little value for recording purposes.

Scar had Disguise, Status, Debug, AND Report functionalities. Trying to cram everything into one Debug box seems like a big step back to me. At least Disguise could serve as a poor man's status bar.

I don't remember if I filed a bug about this, and I don't know if it's still a bug, but once when I was trying to use Disguise() it only showed the text up to the first space in the string, I think.

Also, I think Simba's text finding (ctrl + f) could be better. Being able to search upwards/downwards or from the top or bottom, an option to match whole words only, and a find a replace would be nice.

From: Nava2
Coh3n: http://git.villavu.com/?p=simba.git;a=blob;f=Extensions/srl.sex;h=7d61b8cc7d5b0c748f3f19e118b04b867f20289e;hb=HEAD

You didn't use the installer if its not in Extensions already! Just so you know ;)

That link doesn't work, and I'm almost positive I used the installer. If not, then I did on my laptop yesterday and there's still nothing in the extensions list.

Nava's link works for me.

Is it possible to parse SRL's commit comments? Now I just update SRL in scar's folder normally to see the changes.
Simba does it too automatically for me :p.

From: mastaraymond
That Console bug should really *not* happen.. I guess it's morel like a Vista bug :(.. Same goes for ctrl + a, it works perfectly here @ xp.
3) Yes there are some functions that aren't added to the function list yet, haven't found time to add these.. Noted.
4) Agree

What about the codehint problem? Whenever I do CTRL + SPACE all that is shown is my types, variables, constants and procedures that is inside my current script (no SRL functions nor global functions (WriteLn and so on))

From: Sabzi
Nava's link works for me.

Is it possible to parse SRL's commit comments? Now I just update SRL in scar's folder normally to see the changes.
Simba does it too automatically for me :p.

I get an XML parsing error.

Link works for me too

From: Zyt3x
What about the codehint problem? Whenever I do CTRL + SPACE all that is shown is my types, variables, constants and procedures that is inside my current script (no SRL functions nor global functions (WriteLn and so on))

Do you get that too with just the basic default script?

From: nielsie95
Do you get that too with just the basic default script?

Yep

(Spammy post :redface:)

Updated first post. Thanks!

More input is still welcome. If we missed anything, please let us know.

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53548

1)
Most of the time, I can't browse through the functions in "Include", over in the Functionlist. Reason unknown. Windows 7, running as admin. Doesn't work when not run as admin either.

2)
Nested codehints. I'm not sure if this is something you ever intented, but it surely isn't there and it's a shame.

3)

program new;
begin
  Writeln(
  IntToStr(
end.  

I'm not sure how this should really work (perhaps it already works as intended). But if you write "Writeln(", then the codehint for Writeln pops up. But if you then change lines and write "IntToStr(", you still only see the codehints for Writeln. Perhaps it should rather show codehints for the line you are on.

Show commit messages in the SRL Updater?

That's what I meant. But if there is any other way to see what was changed in SRL from simba it's okay for me.

Another thing came to my mind.
In scar there was ctrl+shift+i/u, to intend/un-intend(2 space) every line that was selected. Is there something like that in simba? If not can you please add it? *puppy eyes*

Now that I am trying things in simba I just discovered that you can't delete a color from the color picker using delete(on the keyboard).

Sorry that I'm not using the bug-tracker, but I am unfamiliar with it.(and I'm afraid of making an inappropriate ticket)

Also, you can't tab 2 spaces backwards without having something selected.

From: Sabzi
In scar there was ctrl+shift+i/u, to intend/un-intend(2 space) every line that was selected. Is there something like that in simba? If not can you please add it? *puppy eyes*

To intend just select what you want to intend and hit the tab key :P to un-intend do sift + tab

From: Ogre
a find a replace would be nice.

I Agree. It totally helps when you want to fix like standards etc… And it should also have replace all option :)

From: Zyt3x
To intend just select what you want to intend and hit the tab key :P to un-intend do sift + tab

Life saver!
Thanks!

I think there is a Find + Replace…? (Use Ctrl + R)

Also, Sabzi, Simba does not require you to have svn installed as well, so it is entirely different from SCAR. This doesn't force *every* Simba user to install svn.

From: Wizzup?
Also, Sabzi, Simba does not require you to have svn installed as well, so it is entirely different from SCAR. This doesn't force *every* Simba user to install svn.

?? That's why the extension as far as I know.

Oh, I see(I was wondering a few mins why did you say that, because I thought simba doesn't need svn)!!! The way you do it doesn't have those messages, etc, right?
Then never mind. Thanks anyway.

From: Sabzi
?? That's why the extension as far as I know.

Oh, I see(I was wondering a few mins why did you say that, because I thought simba doesn't need svn)!!! The way you do it doesn't have those messages, etc, right?
Then never mind. Thanks anyway.

Yeah, that way it is harder to show commit messages. I could probably upload the latest message to my server and have it display that, but seems hardly worth it. :)
You can always look at http://git.wizzup.org/?p=srl-opendev.git;a=summary which is synced every hour.

Trying to open the same file twice should result in the file being open in two tabs, i think.

From: Dan Cardin
Trying to open the same file twice should result in the file being open in two tabs, i think.

Hm, I don't think so… Try it with other editors.

Does SIMBA support SMART?

Yep :)
That's the reason why SMART is open source :)

Updated the list a bit. Will probably have more time tomorrow. Note that not all changes listed there are already changed in the latest Simba (701)

(Implemented tray icon setting)

701 has been working flawlessly for me.

I am not sure where we should place the extra Status bar. There are already quite some in use… I could place it at the end, so the length of your message would not matter, but then it would look really weird without the message as the file path status bar length is quite variable.

is it just me or after copying and pasting stuff, then undoing it, then trying to redo things, it just deletes lines rather than redoing. To be clear im using ctrl + y for redo, if that makes a difference.

From: Dan Cardin
is it just me or after copying and pasting stuff, then undoing it, then trying to redo things, it just deletes lines rather than redoing. To be clear im using ctrl + y for redo, if that makes a difference.

Does not happen here, with 701.

You change anything that might have fixed that going into 701 off the top of your head? because i can't recreate it!

From: Dan Cardin
You change anything that might have fixed that going into 701 off the top of your head? because i can't recreate it!

Yeah; http://git.villavu.com/gitweb.cgi?p=simba.git;a=blobdiff;f=Projects/Simba/framescript.lfm;h=38a50e2b855a629b57bc5dc079a10782cfb0b533;hp=f26a57b11be6c827b499f5e1215cfffe9d063883;hb=7518639ebd85427a599320007fc145020065ad97;hpb=e5a90a44b749f63d034d432876be69fa99907cc6

DTM editor?

From: anonymity
DTM editor?

There's already an extension for it and I'm sure they will put that into simba by default upon public release.
http://git.villavu.com/?p=simba.git;a=blob;f=Extensions/dtm_editor.sex;h=e97b11db2040c00e85b6f00931a8bbaea13fd004;hb=HEAD

May I suggest shortcuts for inserting a blank procedure/function?
This would involve a certain CTRL+*key*-shortcut to insert

function ;
begin
  
end;

(or "procedure", depending on the keypress) at current caret position.
(The blinking "|" which indicates the position of where your typed text will appear. It's called "caret", right? Or am I completely wrong? /faint memories from Delphi fades away)

A caret is a '^'.

From: EvilChicken!
May I suggest shortcuts for inserting a blank procedure/function?
This would involve a certain CTRL+*key*-shortcut to insert

function ;
begin
  
end;

(or "procedure", depending on the keypress) at current caret position.
(The blinking "|" which indicates the position of where your typed text will appear. It's called "caret", right? Or am I completely wrong? /faint memories from Delphi fades away)

I just call it the pipe symbol. :p
I guess it can be added. File a bug report with type feature request and it will be added. But probably not before the release.

Something I forgot: a setting for API calls. Currently, the are enabled by default (and there's no way to turn them off).

im sorry for the dumb question, i just started coming on to these boards again, but what exactly does simba do?

From: oliver1205
im sorry for the dumb question, i just started coming on to these boards again, but what exactly does simba do?

What ever you'd like it to do :)

Within reason.. Its similar to SCAR, just better. ;)

whats the difference between writing a script in simba and writing a script in scar?

From: oliver1205
whats the difference between writing a script in simba and writing a script in scar?

Simba makes the script easier to read IMO. That's about the only visible difference off hand.

Seeing there are a lot of GUI changes requested (Status and Disguise are also GUI related), we will probably postpone them until some initial public release. GUI related changes tend to be a bit more fragile…

701 seems to be quite stable and would do quite well for a first release. I will probably be with limited access to internet the next few days so I hope I can do it tomorrow, and then we'll see how it goes…

The only change really required is the Form(Modal!) in the SRL Updater extension that doesn't cause it to crash if you close Simba while updating SRL. And API calls.

Has reading records from a plugin been implemented yet? I talked to Ray about this awhile ago, this is mainly to get Appa working in Simba.

Maby add a "Add to program group" option at installation ? just a tought, also scriptpath variable dont work with simba.

From: nielsie95
Something I forgot: a setting for API calls. Currently, the are enabled by default (and there's no way to turn them off).

I have this fixed locally; will commit later.
I am away with a few friends for a few more days, once I'm back I will push a final installer, ask you guys to review/try it, and then the next day will be release day.

Wizz

PS: I am on very slow internet, so I will read up on all the posts later.

From: nielsie95
When I start Simba, SRL starts to update and when I close Simba immediately it hangs and crashes.

http://wizzup.org/static/updater1.png
http://wizzup.org/static/updater2.png
http://wizzup.org/static/updater3.png

Solved. :)