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Alcohol and it's effects on behavior:

Its a well known idea and concept that alcohol inhibits ones thought thereby removing many forms of reasoning.

Now: my crazy aunt, has a saying: "When you are drunk, you are truely yourself."

what does SRL think about this statement?

Does this have anything to do with your drunk rant last night? :P

I believe that when a person is drunk, they act the same as they wish they could in a normal circumstance, only they think that they can (to quote a song) blame it on the alcohol.

I don't really act much more different when I'm drunk except I get really talkative, so I don't really know what would go on in a person's head.

i think the statement makes sence, your sence of reasoning pretty much is the filter for every word you speak, and every action you take, usually only letting the things that are accepted by society out, but if you truely have no sence of reasoning, anything you can think of will be said, and you will truely do what ever you feel like doing.

thats my opinion, concidering i have never really been drunk before :p

No, that rant was supposed to be in jest, but that was lost somewhere in translation.

I'm in no way saying blame it on the alcohol, I'm questioning whether one shows their true feelings while drunk.

From: Nava2
No, that rant was supposed to be in jest, but that was lost somewhere in translation.

I'm in no way saying blame it on the alcohol, I'm questioning whether one shows their true feelings while drunk.

I was agreeing with people saying what they really mean when they are drunk, but then they blame it on the alcohol (for things such as being a whore)

From: 3Garrett3
I was agreeing with people saying what they really mean when they are drunk, but then they blame it on the alcohol (for things such as being a whore)

This is what I mean, someone who sleeps around "only while drunk", seems to me as though there is something built up to create a cause for such unjust actions.

When you're drunk you think you are funnier then you really are

From: cycrosism
When you're drunk you think you are funnier then you really are

When everyone surrounding you is drunk, you are funnier then you really are :).

You're still who you are, just without filter. But the filter is not only created by the society, it's made by yourself too. When I end up with stories about me doing something stupid, there are multiple reasons I wouldn't have done it without being drunk. And I really don't give a fack about society, it's just you may be more selfish when drunk.

Mushrooms make you really crazy though, like pure madness… But thats so different than alcohol… Alcohol just removes boundaries. If you're not agresive in mind, than you will never end up fighting….

And I'm not sure about the funny part, I was born with it, I only get funnier…

Alcohol definitely effects how you act and what you think about.

Example, the first time my mom ever caught me drunk she got real close to me and asked why I smelt like alcohol. I told her I had ate a lot of blueberry's earlier that day…

Sense of reasoning or not, I would have never even thought of responding with that if I wasn't completely intoxicated.

A lot of people change when they have been drinking. Some for better, some for worse. Some it just makes talk a lot. I think it truly just effects different people in different ways. Much like any other drug.

It certainly makes people not think/care about consequences for thing's, and act out more.

Well I'm quite a jerk when drunk.. :crying:

when you are drunk you do not hold yourself back and usually you tell your full opinion on the matter. I dislike getting drunk because I get depressive and I can't rationalize anything with myself and I start to hate everything and everyone (depressing wow). To rephrase I have fun drinking and partying, it's going to sleep after that's the worst. I'm my own worst enemy when I'm drunk, it's awful.

From: 3Garrett3
I believe that when a person is drunk, they act the same as they wish they could in a normal circumstance.

I like that statement. For some people, I think it's very true. Other's maybe not.

So I would agree with your statement, Nava (for the most part).

From: Coh3n
I like that statement. For some people, I think it's very true. Other's maybe not.

So I would agree with your statement, Nava (for the most part).

I'm sure you know why I'm asking this question haha.

Blumblebee, I'm usually the same way, which is good.. until that point.

"A drunk man's actions are a sober man's thoughts."
-Someone.

http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm#c2

And then further down:

To activate the second tunnel-reality, take an abundant quantity of alcohol. Vertebrate territorial patterns and mammalian emotional politics immediately appear when the booze flows, as Thomas Nashe intuitively realized when he characterized the various alcohol states by animal labels: "ass drunk," "goat drunk," "swine drunk," "bear drunk," etc.

and

The circuit II drunk exhibits the emotional games or cons learned from parents in infancy.

So alcohol triggers the "emotional circuit" learnt in toddlerhood from their parents, and as such people are more likely to act out on these impulses.

^ Wouldn't that mean that one might also act more childish, in a sense?

Alcohol has the effect you perceive it's going to have.

I find that alcohol often has a similar effect on me to being really tired.

From: i luffs yeww
^ Wouldn't that mean that one might also act more childish, in a sense?

did you read the link? :p
This is the explanation for the circuit:

II. THE EMOTIONAL CIRCUIT
This second, more advanced bio-computer formed when vertebrates appeared and began to compete for territory (perhaps 500,000,000 B.C.). In the individual, this bigger tunnel-reality is activated when the DNA master-tape triggers the metamorphosis from crawling to walking. As every parent knows, the toddler is no longer a passive (bio-survival) infant but a mammalian politician, full of physical (and psychic) territorial demands, quick to meddle in family business and decision-making. Again the first imprint on this circuit remains constant for life (unless brainwashed) and identifies the stimuli which will automatically trigger dominant, aggressive behavior or submissive, cooperative behavior. When we say that a person is behaving emotionally, egotistically or 'like a two-year-old,' we mean that s/he is blindly following one of the tunnel-realities imprinted on this circuit.

About alcohol removing all reasoning, it absolutely does.

However, alcohol won't nessisarily make you "tell the truth", or "say what you wish you could". It lowers inhibitions. So if you had inhibitions about telling the truth then yes, it would help you tell the truth. But among the truths are likely to be piles and piles of shit. If you don't have inhibitions, then your much more likely to say whatever comes to mind (no matter the accuracy.) One could argue that the subconscious mind is telling the truth in that scenario, but I don't think that's quite the case. Drugs like alcohol change perceptions in unique ways, and usually your truths change along with your perceptions.

Here's some neuropharmacology:

Its [ethyl alcohol] effects on GABA-A receptors seem tantalizing, but generally unlikely, due to either a far too high or too low potency, depending on the subunit makeup. Ethanol's inhibition of NMDA receptors seems likely to be a contributor to its effects. The inhibition of AMPA and kainate receptors is too weak to mediate recreational effects, but it may be responsible for ethanol-induced coma. Ethanol's potentiation of alpha7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptors seems a likely cause of some of its rewarding effects, but not a mediator of its general "depressant" character. Ethanol's effects at voltage-gated sodium channels are far too weak to have any effect during recreational usage. BK channel activation might cause some of the effects of ethanol at high concentrations and GIRK channel potentiation could be responsible for its analgesic effects. Potentiation of glycine receptors might cause spinal inhibition and lead to some effects of ethanol, but not the classical cognitive effects. 5-HT3 receptor effects are too weak to mediate ethanol's effects. Inhibition of voltage-gated calcium channels is another likely mediator of ethanol's effects, as it would cause general inhibition of synaptic activity.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol_pharmacology1.shtml

Also, (Central Nervous System) "depressants" is a class with way more than alcohol in it, and they're all different from alcohol.