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well i havent been here for ages but it seems as if the forums are dead…

i went to the scripts section and there was about 10 scripts… i remember the days when there would about 10 to 20 scripts for each skill

what has happened to this place, and where are all the scripting masters?

~shut

We got bored.

Haha, its comming back. SCAR became unreasonably stable which turned a lot of people off, and a lot of the people who were making scripts became busy with Uni/College.

But welcome back. ;)

thanks :)

but how can something becoming stable put people off?

~shut

From: Shuttleu
thanks :)

but how can something becoming stable put people off?

~shut

I'm pretty sure he meant unstable. Because, before SCAR kept putting off about 1000 errors.

Anyways, Welcome back ;)!!

ahh… ok
so scar has become unstable? last time i used it it was perfectly fine, and its on the same version that i used…

owell…

~shut

Welcome back.

Some people are developing Simba whitch will be pretty much like scar but hopefully better since its open source. Most functions and procedures have same names so scar scripts should work on Simba too ;)

Nava is just giving his personal opinion ;)

I guess it's because people (like yourself) left and new people rather chose an easier option like Java bots such as RSBot.

From: nielsie95
Nava is just giving his personal opinion ;)

I guess it's because people (like yourself) left and new people rather chose an easier option like leeching scripts or using RSBot

Fixd ;)

A lot of people start out with leeching ;)

What wrong with what I said?

Be aware all the opinions about SCAR are usually from improper use (cross plateform/strange setups), on top of being exagerated doesn't go to well with lazy/inpatient people. Updates for SCAR are being readily developed and on their way much sooner and better than …protrayed. Simba isn't exactly full powered yet and isn't ready for general public use, the same can be said for the current state of the SRL include.

The lack of scripts is due to laziness and is can not be blamed on any other aspect, reflection is now even readily aviable for the first time in nearly a year.

Also the temporary closing of the forum's registration along with the high rate of leeching going on with ibot type macros right now (rsbot, kbot ect..) is to blame for the forum's appearance of low activity, but that will all change soon.

Jagex also has been doing a lot of legal invesitigation for the first time, as rsbot, kbot, and ibot for their primary targets.. I predict in the next 1-2 year(s) color macros (SCAR/SRL/Simba/ect) will remain the only relaible exisiting source of public cheating software aviable for runescape cheating.

From: IceFire908
Be aware all the opinions about SCAR are usually from improper use (cross plateform/strange setups), on top of being exagerated doesn't go to well with lazy/inpatient people. Updates for SCAR are being readily developed and on their way much sooner and better than …protrayed. Simba isn't exactly full powered yet and isn't ready for general public use, the same can be said for the current state of the SRL include.

The lack of scripts is due to laziness and is can not be blamed on any other aspect, reflection is now even readily aviable for the first time in nearly a year.

Also the temporary closing of the forum's registration along with the high rate of leeching going on with ibot type macros right now (rsbot, kbot ect..) is to blame for the forum's appearance of low activity, but that will all change soon.

Jagex also has been doing a lot of legal invesitigation for the first time, as rsbot, kbot, and ibot for their primary targets.. I predict in the next 1-2 year(s) color macros (SCAR/SRL/Simba/ect) will remain the only relaible exisiting source of public cheating software aviable for runescape cheating.

Which is only because we dont hack the game client, SCAR/SIMBA control mouse movements on the users computer hence doesnt breach copyright in that area.

If they do look into us then we can stop using SMART which hacks the game client and we're scot free ;D

From: Torrent of Flame
Which is only because we dont hack the game client, SCAR/SIMBA control mouse movements on the users computer hence doesnt breach copyright in that area.

If they do look into us then we can stop using SMART which hacks the game client and we're scot free ;D

SMART is a loader.

@Icefire
What makes SCAR more powerful than Simba atm?

From: lordsaturn

@Icefire
What makes SCAR more powerful than Simba atm?

I don't believe I made that claim. You are confused, I said simba "is not full powered yet" tools ect. for a public IDE.

I find it funny how everyone seemed to forget that registration is closed ;) That'd be quite a fairly significant reason I'd guess.

From: IceFire908
Also the temporary closing of the forum's registration along with the high rate of leeching going on with ibot type macros right now (rsbot, kbot ect..) is to blame for the forum's appearance of low activity, but that will all change soon.

What exactly is an 'ibot type macro'?? Are you just referring to a bot made in Java that uses some form of client hacking (reflection, bytecode injection) to gain information about the game instead of using color techniques?

From: IceFire908
Be aware all the opinions about SCAR are usually from improper use (cross plateform/strange setups), on top of being exagerated doesn't go to well with lazy/inpatient people. Updates for SCAR are being readily developed and on their way much sooner and better than …protrayed. Simba isn't exactly full powered yet and isn't ready for general public use, the same can be said for the current state of the SRL include..

I don't agree with this claim, or… portrait.

Improper use? I don't think I've heard anyone complain about SCAR crashing with WINE or similar, and even if they did, I'm sure the bug would have just been marked as invalid. Moreover, if you're talking about simply not knowing ``how to use SCAR without making it crash'', I think your argument is completely invalid.

Updates for SCAR? I haven't seen any in months until a few days ago, but I think those are marked as unstable.

E: Simba is ready for public use. We just want to add a few more features before we do a public release.

From: Method
What exactly is an 'ibot type macro'?? Are you just referring to a bot made in Java that uses some form of client hacking (reflection, bytecode injection) to gain information about the game instead of using color techniques?

There's generally three classifications of bots.

Class 1 3rd party color, autominer/ SCAR/ simba ect… the lowest risk usually entirely separate and can be used on the normal client ect. with out any integration.

Class 2 Java client bots, requires the bot and the client to be one. rsbot, ibot, kbot. I wouldn't go as far as saying SMART falls into this category it's more of a class 1 / class 2 mix.

Class 3 Massive botting i.e. not even having the client open. Arga, Chinese bot, Aryan, RSDemon, I'd even include Autorune on this one simply because it is so powerful.

Jagex has successfully called Class 3 botting and is now targeting the more powerful end Class 2. Class 1 is untouchable imo.

From: IceFire908
There's generally three classifications of bots.

Class 1 3rd party color, autominer/ SCAR/ simba ect… the lowest risk usually entirely separate and can be used on the normal client ect. with out any integration.

Class 2 Java client bots, requires the bot and the client to be one. rsbot, ibot, kbot. I wouldn't go as far as saying SMART falls into this category it's more of a class 1 / class 2 mix.

Class 3 Massive botting i.e. not even having the client open. Arga, Chinese bot, Aryan, RSDemon, I'd even include Autorune on this one simply because it is so powerful.

Jagex has successfully called Class 3 botting and is now targeting the more powerful end Class 2. Class 1 is untouchable imo.

AFAIK Aryan did open the client…

From: IceFire908
Class 2 Java client bots, requires the bot and the client to be one. rsbot, ibot, kbot. I wouldn't go as far as saying SMART falls into this category it's more of a class 1 / class 2 mix. .

But why should SMART not just fall in class 2? What is the difference between smart and other java clients, to make it a class 1/2 mix?

From: Wizzup?
I don't agree with this claim, or… portrait.

Improper use? I don't think I've heard anyone complain about SCAR crashing with WINE or similar, and even if they did, I'm sure the bug would have just been marked as invalid. Moreover, if you're talking about simply not knowing ``how to use SCAR without making it crash'', I think your argument is completely invalid.

Updates for SCAR? I haven't seen any in months until a few days ago, but I think those are marked as unstable.

E: Simba is ready for public use. We just want to add a few more features before we do a public release.

Improper use goes as far as using SCAR outside of it's recommend boundaries, half the complaints are from people who use it under uncommon computer setups. You think my argument is invalid, but it's not. You're opinion is based on from a linux computer, aside from that; when's the last time you've actually used SCAR on a winblows computer to auto correctly for 24+ hours at a time? It works quite well as long as you have everything set up and calibrated correctly, results which I can not yet yield with simba.

Lol, you haven't seen any updates in months. A good number of us have been tracking SCAR's progress quite a lot in recent months, SCAR 3.25 has taken me by surprise aswell. The only intention it is geared towards is a final attempt and recovering a stable version of preluna SCARs that is a final attempt at making an upto date version of divi before it is dumped completely.

Simba will be put to the real test when registration is reopened and new people try using it, until then it's yet to be proven.

From: Wizzup?
AFAIK Aryan did open the client…

If so, It was still far more powerful than any class 2.

From: masterBB
But why should SMART not just fall in class 2? What is the difference between smart and other java clients, to make it a class 1/2 mix?

I would agree SMART with reflection before Rune Tek 5, but now it's just a minimizable version of a class 1

From: IceFire908
Improper use goes as far as using SCAR outside of it's recommend boundaries, half the complaints are from people who use it under uncommon computer setups. You think my argument is invalid, but it's not. You're opinion is based on from a linux computer, aside from that; when's the last time you've actually used SCAR on a winblows computer to auto correctly for 24+ hours at a time? It works quite well as long as you have everything set up and calibrated correctly, results which I can not yet yield with simba.

I use Windows in a virtual machine, and this has no impact on any of the program that run in it. So that point is invalid.

Furthermore; yeah, I have used SCAR recently and it did not do well. I'm not randomly spreading fairy tales.

Simba has managed to run for longer than 24 hours more than once, if the script managed to run that long, so I'm not sure what you're doing with it. But then again, I've hardly seen you post (positive / feedback) stuff about Simba in a month or so. So the question if you have used it recently may have to be redirected to you… :/

From: IceFire908

Lol, you haven't seen any updates in months. A good number of us have been tracking SCAR's progress quite a lot in recent months, SCAR 3.25 has taken me by surprise aswell. The only intention it is geared towards is a final attempt and recovering a stable version of preluna SCARs that is a final attempt at making an upto date version of divi before it is dumped completely.

I don't think anyone has seen updates in months, except a few ones? (I've actually only heard you talking about updates to SCAR hidden from the public) ;)

From: IceFire908
Simba will be put to the real test when registration is reopened and new people try using it, until then it's yet to be proven.

I actually think there's quite a lot of people using it. Over 200 (or 150, approx anyway) people applied to view the forums, and the download count / update count is quite high according to my http server /GET logs. :)

From: Wizzup?
I use Windows in a virtual machine, and this has no impact on any of the program that run in it. So that point is invalid.

Furthermore; yeah, I have used SCAR recently and it did not do well. I'm not randomly spreading fairy tales.

Simba has managed to run for longer than 24 hours more than once, if the script managed to run that long, so I'm not sure what you're doing with it. But then again, I've hardly seen you post (positive / feedback) stuff about Simba in a month or so. So the question if you have used it recently may have to be redirected to you… :/

I don't think anyone has seen updates in months, except a few ones? (I've actually only heard you talking about updates to SCAR hidden from the public) ;)

I actually think there's quite a lot of people using it. Over 200 (or 150, approx anyway) people applied to view the forums, and the download count / update count is quite high according to my http server /GET logs. :)

Virtual machine is garbage, I believe you that SCAR has problems for you, but whats important is under what conditions these problems occur. There really hasn't been anything new enough for me to post feedback on simba, it needs noob abuse before it can grow and develop… maybe even years of it before it becomes something truly great. Regardless, download count is irrelevant, you of all people should know this. Take I.E. for example, the point is I'm not claiming SCAR is better than simba or vise versa, it was only lose interpretations that caused that from other people, I'm merely saying that they both have problems and SCAR works perfectly great for who know how to use it and it have running under the preferred setup so it's really just obsessive-fan-boyism when people post about how SCAR's "instability" is causing "the lack of activity at SRL" according to those who post with out seeing the bigger picture like in this thread and many others.

From: IceFire908
Virtual machine is garbage, I believe you that SCAR has problems for you, but whats important is under what conditions these problems occur. There really hasn't been anything new enough for me to post feedback on simba, it needs noob abuse before it can grow and develop… maybe even years of it before it becomes something truly great. Regardless, download count is irrelevant, you of all people should know this. Take I.E. for example, the point is I'm not claiming SCAR is better than simba or vise versa, it was only lose interpretations that caused that from other people, I'm merely saying that they both have problems and SCAR works perfectly great for who know how to use it and it have running under the preferred setup so it's really just obsessive-fan-boyism when people post about how SCAR's "instability" is causing "the lack of activity at SRL" according to those who post with out seeing the bigger picture like in this thread and many others.

Oh come on… Virtual Machine is garbage? I like discussing stuff with you, but that point is simply not valid…

Simba works just fine under VMs, and I can't imagine SCAR would have problems because I'm using a Windows XP VM. Freddy will most likely tell you the same.

What conditions? Nearly everytime second time I try to run a script? (First run is OK, second run kills SCAR) It randomly loses focus, it sometimes doesn't set focus correctly. Random runtime errors. (Not in wizzyplugin), DIB errors. I think that sums them up OK. But those are very diverse errors as well.

I don't think it's just fan-boy-ism. (to be honest the only *real* fanboy-ism I saw is with Timer, and he took it way too far)

We should probably get our own forum section for these discussions… If possible, let's go back on topic. :)

Shuttleu, I'm pretty sure I was around when you left, and iirc, there weren't many more working scripts than there are now.

From: Wizzup?
Oh come on… Virtual Machine is garbage? I like discussing stuff with you, but that point is simply not valid…

Simba works just fine under VMs, and I can't imagine SCAR would have problems because I'm using a Windows XP VM. Freddy will most likely tell you the same.

What conditions? Nearly everytime second time I try to run a script? (First run is OK, second run kills SCAR) It randomly loses focus, it sometimes doesn't set focus correctly. Random runtime errors. (Not in wizzyplugin), DIB errors. I think that sums them up OK. But those are very diverse errors as well.

I don't think it's just fan-boy-ism. (to be honest the only *real* fanboy-ism I saw is with Timer, and he took it way too far)

We should probably get our own forum section for these discussions… If possible, let's go back on topic. :)

And you tell me simba has no problems? That wouldn't be true either, every 5/6 runs I have to restart it cause that cmd window(of however its called) is spammed full with errors about running something in native mode….

From: masterBB
And you tell me simba has no problems? That wouldn't be true either, every 5/6 runs I have to restart it cause that cmd window(of however its called) is spammed full with errors about running something in native mode….

I think you're talking about SMART output in that case. The same output is there with SCAR, it just doesn't show that output. Either way, if you run into a problem, don't hesitate to report it or make a topic about it in the Simba section? ;)

(On topic now)

From: Wizzup?
I think you're talking about SMART output in that case. The same output is there with SCAR, it just doesn't show that output. Either way, if you run into a problem, don't hesitate to report it or make a topic about it in the Simba section? ;)

(On topic now)

My wrong:frusty:

From: Wizzup?
Oh come on… Virtual Machine is garbage? I like discussing stuff with you, but that point is simply not valid…

Simba works just fine under VMs, and I can't imagine SCAR would have problems because I'm using a Windows XP VM. Freddy will most likely tell you the same.

What conditions? Nearly everytime second time I try to run a script? (First run is OK, second run kills SCAR) It randomly loses focus, it sometimes doesn't set focus correctly. Random runtime errors. (Not in wizzyplugin), DIB errors. I think that sums them up OK. But those are very diverse errors as well.

I don't think it's just fan-boy-ism. (to be honest the only *real* fanboy-ism I saw is with Timer, and he took it way too far)

We should probably get our own forum section for these discussions… If possible, let's go back on topic. :)

It never loses focus with SMART, the loss of focus has lots of factors like antivirus, adkiller, live desktop, operating system, background applications, internet browser ect. all errors can be avoided by restarting SCAR directly before leaving it unattended to run a long time. Virtual machines can cause random short lag that can kill an entire script whether through loss of focus, game lagging out, or script being off timed. I'd like to say that the topic of this thread is fine, my intention was to emphasize SCAR still works great for those who can use it, others simply can get it to work for whatever reason and they can alternatively use simba or people can do whatever they want I honestly don't care, I just think it's completely inaccurate to make statements like SCAR being buggy has anything to do with the lack of activity, it still works great for me an many others. There's a lot of behind the scenes work being done to ensure the future of SCAR and it's predecessors, statements suggesting otherwise are not true. If anything the past 3-4 months I believe SCAR has not seen more development since 3.00-.15b possibly more. 3.25 could turn out to be a complete waste, who knows, SCAR luna is a fresh slate and will not disappoint.

Timer is another story, and I do believe that is offtopic. I will say he has cooled down a bit but is having trouble accessing SRL because of the large number of infractions he's received so he probably won't be posting for quite some time.

Simba's and SRL 5's goals are aiming too high, as I've been anticipating a public release for too long, I was hoping this summer to see it in full throttle since this time of year I have the most free time in 2 years, and with college and career coming up in August and beyond it may be the most freetime I have for a very long time… especially as many of you and myself are reaching the end of interest in runescape and SRL in general, it would be comforting to rebuild it one more time successfully enough so that we can hand down our legacy to the next generation, such as people's Timer's age are truly in the long run the future of SRL. Whom without what has happened here will fade into nothing, not just SRL, but the legacy that was started 10 long years ago with communities that brought common video game addicts scammers into the realm of opportunity, if we are to fulfill this purpose to the most than we are pushing the days in which are left to make an affective mark on the future.

From: IceFire908
It never loses focus with SMART, the loss of focus has lots of factors like antivirus, adkiller, live desktop, operating system, background applications, internet browser ect. all errors can be avoided by restarting SCAR directly before leaving it unattended to run a long time.

Doesn't this imply a program is buggy? Restarting to avoid errors…

From: IceFire908
Virtual machines can cause random short lag that can kill an entire script whether through loss of focus, game lagging out, or script being off timed.

My VM has a dedicated cpu core, so I don't think lags occur. It doesn't do anything else but run runescape / simba either.

From: IceFire908

I'd like to say that the topic of this thread is fine, my intention was to emphasize SCAR still works great for those who can use it, others simply can get it to work for whatever reason and they can alternatively use simba or people can do whatever they want I honestly don't care, I just think it's completely inaccurate to make statements like SCAR being buggy has anything to do with the lack of activity

You think so? I think it is certainly de-motivational if a program crashes when you haven't saved your changes to a script you're writing, and I've seen several people literally break from scripting just because of that. (SRL Developers too)

From: IceFire908

, it still works great for me an many others. There's a lot of behind the scenes work being done to ensure the future of SCAR and it's predecessors,
statements suggesting otherwise are not true.

How would a noob like me see this? Like I said, you keep saying this, but I haven't seen any changes. But then again, have you actually seen changes in the code? I don't think anyone has apart from freddy. :rolleyes:

From: IceFire908
If anything the past 3-4 months I believe SCAR has not seen more development since 3.00-.15b possibly more. 3.25 could turn out to be a complete waste, who knows, SCAR luna is a fresh slate and will not disappoint.

WIll not disappoint? You're trust is a bit unrealistic I think, only time will tell…

From: IceFire908
Simba's and SRL 5's goals are aiming too high, as I've been anticipating a public release for too long, I was hoping this summer to see it in full throttle since this time of year I have the most free time in 2 years, and with college and career coming up in August and beyond it may be the most freetime I have for a very long time…

Well, Simba will be ready pretty soon, and I can see SRL 5 coming up pretty soon as well - certainly halfway this summer or so. It's just that a lot of us have exams, RL/Study projects, or other issues. There isn't a lack of motivation. Not for me, anyway. I recently got my essence miner to work with Simba; and it worked quite well considering I just quickly hacked some stuff in. The script is over two years old now at least… :p

From: IceFire908
especially as many of you and myself are reaching the end of interest in runescape and SRL in general, it would be comforting to rebuild it one more time successfully enough so that we can hand down our legacy to the next generation, such as people's Timer's age are truly in the long run the future of SRL.

If guys like Timer would be the future of SRL, I don't think the future is very bright. He hasn't left a good impression on me, anyway. Perhaps he was misguided by some people…

Also, I don't see age as a reason to leave, especially if people are doing something in the Computer Science branch. And quite a lot of us are, and I like to think I and a few others have influenced the decisions in that area of many :)

There's plenty of room in SRL for good coders, and as stated before, SRL is not just about Runescape. If it honestly was just about Runescape, I think it would have died off a year ago. As you probably knew, there will be more space for other languages and projects on SRL as well pretty soon. People just need to take initiative.

Plus, don't you think having closed registrations has a major relation to activity drops? ;)

I never said SCAR wasn't buggy, only that it can run fine with no problems. Not guys like timer, but people his age and younger. I can say my trust is not based off of speculation or experiences, but rather real results and actual shown progress. Do you honestly believe I'm making this up either? What would I have to gain from bullshitting? I'm only trying to make the posts around here less annoying to read and inform those who care.

I believe I have stated multiple times in this thread the same thing about registrations in regards to activity drops. I believe the only thing motivating you to reply to me is your defense to simba which is not being questioned or attacked, but focused on because of your immediate role in it's creation.

I really wish everyone would stop making comments about SCAR vs simba, at least for a few months, especially as that was never my intention in this thread.

on topic dudes!

Shut, we closed regs because we are focussing on new work. At a point not so long ago Jagex deleted the talking randoms from the game, and has further complicated matters with gametabs and music. This made SRL's random solving less stable. Things are in order now, but we decided to further develop the code. Plus Simba is awaking from void and has many promising features.

This takes a long time. It does. It requires patience from the community. Frankly, I am astounded by the level of activity still after closing regs. But I dont fear anything nor the risk of SRL dying; it is not going to, because it is a community! Been around over 4 years now and are part of a common past, a very personal, silent and helpful experience for 1000 's people worldwide. That 's SRL.

We began once as a group of 10-20 kaitnieks-leftover talents, and it is amazing to see what we have achieved now.

We are in uuh… pause? for the outside world, but in overdrive inside….


….as you can see from the waisted energy spilled above, *sigh*

EDIT: and below *double sigh* OT!

From: IceFire908
I never said SCAR wasn't buggy, only that it can run fine with no problems. Not guys like timer, but people his age and younger. I can say my trust is not based off of speculation or experiences, but rather real results and actual shown progress. Do you honestly believe I'm making this up either? What would I have to gain from bullshitting? I'm only trying to make the posts around here less annoying to read and inform those who care.

I don't think I doubted your word, I just stated that no one else has seen any progress. ( And according to you evading my question about code, I don't think anyone has seen code :p )

The thing that slightly annoys me is that you're (IMHO) often posting how SCAR will be better (not compared to Simba, just in general). History tells us otherwise. So perhaps you could refrain from making (again, IMHO) biased posts. Assuming you have some role in testing SCAR, your posts are probably biased too? At least, that's what I find them to be.

From: IceFire908

I believe I have stated multiple times in this thread the same thing about registrations in regards to activity drops. I believe the only thing motivating you to reply to me is your defense to simba which is not being questioned or attacked, but focused on because of your immediate role in it's creation.

You're probably right. I'll refrain from posting here again unless I really feel the need to justify a statement.

Shuttle you took over that edge yew cutter? Havnt been on 4 a while as well!