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I would like all/any IP address and e-mails to be PMed to me please wizzup :stirthepot:, or you can post them here

Also from any member that knew him or did business with him, please post any infromation about him like MSN, e-mails, paypal e-mails, address, state, city, phone, name, parents name :)

I'll post stuff later, but its late

also this is because I just talked to him, and he refuses to repay me what he owes

EDIT: if you know his facebook or myspace pages, those can be very useful

this is the shot from the paypal he sent to my girlfriend

thanks but need name, and paypal address, click on details :D

Glenn D. is his name (see the picture)

paypal email is [email]g_davenport@verizon.net[/email]

From: Brain
Glenn D. is his name (see the picture)

paypal email is [email]g_davenport@verizon.net[/email]

yeah thanks, just wanted to make sure he used the same paypal account/email as he did with me and others

thanks, im goin to bed, hope to see good stuff in morning :spot:

SRL E-mail: [email]Jadmacro@hotmail.com[/email]
MSN E-mail: [email]runescapemacro@hotmail.com[/email]

I'll pay postage for any loot you can spare :p A games console would cover what he owes me, lol.

Sent to:
Glenn Davenport
Email:
[email]g_davenport@verizon.net[/email]
Payment Sent to:

[email]runescapemacro@hotmail.com[/email]
Amount sent:
-$1.15 CAD
Fee amount:
-$0.34 CAD
Net amount:
-$1.49 CAD

Date:
Sep 16, 2009
Time:
01:15:51 GMT-04:00
Status:
Completed

Info from my PayPal.

I´d like to know what you´re going to do before giving out personal information (I edited out the IP adresses in The Claw´s post for now)..

Yeah, 'leaking' JAD's IP's from the ModCP is just as bad as leaking higher forum information to those who can't access it in my eyes. Not like we can really stop you though…

Am I the only one who thinks an IP is less important than a name?

He's gonna go sort this out IRL since you can't online…or else he's just gonna dox him. Either way, like Wizz said name > ip.

From: YoHoJo
Yeah, 'leaking' JAD's IP's from the ModCP is just as bad as leaking higher forum information to those who can't access it in my eyes. Not like we can really stop you though…

Except it causes no damage to anyone and doesnt release any pertanaint info - at most it gives a city that JAD posted in. Which could be used with a google search including his name to try dox him some more, in case no one at all knows what state/area he's in (unliklely). Not really that major

I got a feeling this nay be necessary to get the money back. In starting to doubt the family death thing.

Why does it matter anymore if it does cause "damage", he is now a scammer and has no rights.

I am looking for anything that can give me his location and or phone number, so i can call him or his parents..

nothing is guaranteed to work, but once i find out all his information and start calling his house its a little more incentive to repay whats owed

going to see him IRL all depends on how far away it is :), we will see who is closest and would like to help out

Yea. I think we all got played hard but in a way he'd hope to get away with while keeping his respect/status

I'm just against this in any way, it makes me smile I like the plan :].

Operation MurderJAD'sFamily

Whatever you do, I think it's better to keep it off the forums mostly.

Also, didn't I say this right at the start? Online games and (real) money / serious trading don't mix.

From: lordsaturn
Operation MurderJAD'sFamily

Lol'd.

He did message me in MSN about a week ago while I was away. All he said was "Cohen". When I replied, it said the email address didn't exist, although it said he was online on a mobile.

Other than that, any information I have about it has been posted.

I've tried to stay out of this so far but I just gotta say it's sad that it had to come to something like this.

I got an IM from JAD saying that the only person he owes money to is Coh3n, and that he has been trying to contact him but has thus far (don't know how long he's been trying) has been unsuccessful.

Charmz, care explaining your situation? The only other account we've heard is Claw's. Claw's account is obviously heavily debatable (personally I'm leaning towards JAD's side there), thus because JAD, as of now, does not believe he owes Claw does not mean he's a scammer. Of course your situation might be different, Charmz.

EDIT: Besides, what happened to innocent before proven guilty? I haven't seen proof of any guilt, and you guys are handing out his personal information as if the whole situation is obvious.

From: Tad
I got an IM from JAD saying that the only person he owes money to is Coh3n, and that he has been trying to contact him but has thus far (don't know how long he's been trying) has been unsuccessful.

Charmz, care explaining your situation? The only other account we've heard is Claw's. Claw's account is obviously heavily debatable (personally I'm leaning towards JAD's side there), thus because JAD, as of now, does not believe he owes Claw does not mean he's a scammer. Of course your situation might be different, Charmz.

EDIT: Besides, what happened to innocent before proven guilty? I haven't seen proof of any guilt, and you guys are handing out his personal information as if the whole situation is obvious.

Well that's all good, except he's only messaged be once. :\ I even emailed/PM'd him after he messaged me to see what was going on. I'm not a very hard person to get in touch with. He may be trying to get in touch, but since he's been unsuccessful so far, what's the harm in throwing me a PM/email?

From: Coh3n
Well that's all good, except he's only messaged be once. :\ I even emailed/PM'd him after he messaged me to see what was going on. I'm not a very hard person to get in touch with. He may be trying to get in touch, but since he's been unsuccessful so far, what's the harm in throwing me a PM/email?

I haven't seen him online via computer for months (though I haven't been that active either). He's always mobile, so his phone might have limited capabilities in terms of emails and PMs. And then since his first offline message didn't come to anything, perhaps he's waiting until he catches you online. As for you being easy to get in touch with, I'm guessing that's a problem on his end (i.e. the brief moments he does come on, you happen to not be on). And again, I don't know how long he's been trying to sort it out.

Or he could be a scammer. But that wouldn't really make sense: why would he respond to me when I asked him about it, much less acknowledge that he owes someone something?

Yeah I honestly don't think that he's a scammer. There may just be more going on in his life then we know about. And yeah timing is always bad for us as I remember I would just to going to bed when he came online so even when he was active we weren't online at the same time very often.

Just a nice explanation of what's going on would solve a lot of speculations, but again there's probably more going on.

From: Tad
Or he could be a scammer. But that wouldn't really make sense: why would he respond to me when I asked him about it, much less acknowledge that he owes someone something?

Well if he plans to not come back it doesn't really matter what he says and what he doesn't say…

Tad, he's using you as a mule to rally support for himself, since he would have seen you sympathising with him on the forum topics. If he can contact you, he can contact others via PM/email etc JUST as easily.

Also: JAD's homeschooled IIRC? If he truly had a death in the family, he would probably be relying on his friends here for support, because he wouldnt have many IRL and you cant stay with your family 24/7 for 3 months+…what I'm saying is he would be posting, he would be reaching out, but instead hes hardly talking to anyone - passive agressive aloofness. You can tell from the anger and tone he knows he's fucked up…again, if it was a simple mistake, dissapearing and doing what he's done wouldnt be the behaviour expected - he would be contributing, trying to get on people's good sides, to show he's not a bad person etc. His behaviour almost exactly fits the way scammers who screw their mates over act. Deliberately keeping a distance from us all because he knows hes fucked us and can no longer relate to us all as friends because of guilt, with a bullshit story to try and convince us he's still our friend before he dissapears to let the storm blow over. So he makes up a story, tries to act the way he would expect someone to act, not realising thats not how you would be at all…

If he truly had a death in the family, and that's what caused the merch to go bad, he would not react with anger and aggression when confronted - it would be a mix of apologetic (to show us he's sorry, as anyone would be, UNLESS they just scammed someone) and genuine sadness (from the death). Theres no sadness - its all angry "go away im having problems you have no right i didnt do anything aharraihruhluk". A reaction to being called out and reminded of what he did.

I dont know. Sick of the whole situation

If someone in my family died I wouldn't be hanging around here, I'd be trying to comfort or be comforted by family or friends IRL.

JAD never really considered many people here close enough to ask for support with things like these. He's not the kind of guy to be mentioning it to random people all over the world.

People react to grief in all sorts of ways. You can't say being angry is an unnatural reaction. It all depends on the person and what actually happened.

From: ZephyrsFury
If someone in my family died I wouldn't be hanging around here, I'd be trying to comfort or be comforted by family or friends IRL.

I don't want to be harsh, but time heals all psychological wounds, and this _has_ been some time ago. He could have at least said something.

From: ZephyrsFury
JAD never really considered many people here close enough to ask for support with things like these. He's not the kind of guy to be mentioning it to random people all over the world.

People react to grief in all sorts of ways. You can't say being angry is an unnatural reaction. It all depends on the person and what actually happened.

Are you saying that you're close enough internet friends that he would talk about it with you?

when i come home, ill post the convo i had with him through txt message on msn, on the 16/17th of may, and explain the business i did with him

TBH, I wouldn't come on here either if someone close to me (family member or friends) were to die.

A death (or even close death) puts things into perspective and makes you prioritize. My brother almost committed suicide when I was 16 (he was 18). Gun was in his mouth and my dad almost was too late, but luckily wasn't.

Ever since then I am never on the computer when someone I deeply care about it around or someone asks me to hang out or do anything. The only time I am on the computer (other than school work), is when no one else is around.

So right now he might be going through the whole, 'you never know, today could be the last day I see this person' and is spending every moment he can with everyone IRL. I know I would be…

From: HyperSecret
So right now he might be going through the whole, 'you never know, today could be the last day I see this person' and is spending every moment he can with everyone IRL. I know I would be…

AFAIK the tragedy has already happened quite some time ago.

From: Wizzup?
AFAIK the tragedy has already happened quite some time ago.

3-4 months ago right? I was a big Medal of Honor and COD player when I was growing up. When my ordeal happened, I completely stopped. I didn't start any sort of 'gaming' until I joined this forum when I was 18, and got into programming. I went 2 years without being on any forums or games, starting the day that it happened. I actually didn't go on msn or anything during that time, either.

I was in clans, had contributions that I was suppose to give (to help with server fees, etc…) and I just dropped off the face of the earth (to them). I could have been dead for all they knew.



If any of you ever get drunk or buzzed and then go on a game. You always get that feeling or sense of 'who gives a crap, its just a game' and do stupid crap (or at least I do). I would compare it to that sense, he has/is going through a tough time, and is possibly thinking, 'honestly, who gives a crap its just pixel money'.

Now I know he probably made profit/money from it and you guys were suppose to get something out of it but like someone said earlier, people deal with things in different ways. Do I believe he is going about it correctly? No, but would I be getting pissed off at him, NO. definitely not!

Demote him out of SSRL or w/e and do what you have to do from a forum aspect, and if he redeems himself give it back, if not then he is left with it

5/9/2010  10:48:52 PM  JAD  Mike  Hey 
5/9/2010  10:49:05 PM  Mike  JAD  whats up? 
5/9/2010  10:50:55 PM  JAD  Mike  Nothing 
5/9/2010  10:50:55 PM  JAD  Mike  Need to get back to studying for finals 
5/9/2010  10:51:05 PM  JAD  Mike  Have one tomorrow, and one tuesday 
5/9/2010  10:51:05 PM  JAD  Mike  Then I'm out for summer 
5/9/2010  10:51:19 PM  Mike  JAD  nice 
5/16/2010  7:18:44 PM  Mike  JAD  wtf u doin now? 
5/16/2010  8:05:04 PM  JAD  Mike  Huh? 
5/16/2010  8:05:45 PM  Mike  JAD  u comin back yet to repay my mils? 
5/16/2010  8:54:45 PM  JAD  Mike  Coming back to where? 
5/16/2010  8:55:01 PM  Mike  JAD  nvm that, just come send me my mils :D 
5/16/2010  9:58:21 PM  JAD  Mike  How am i supposed to do that? 
5/16/2010  10:29:35 PM  Mike  JAD  i have no idea, thats up to u 
5/16/2010  10:29:42 PM  Mike  JAD  u can give me 100 usd or 100m 
5/16/2010  10:50:23 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) That seems slightly impossible considering i dont have a non limited paypal and no gp. And considering it was your risk to invest using my merch clan  
5/16/2010  10:50:24 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) info... 100 usd seems completely ridiculous anyways 
5/16/2010  11:20:18 PM  Mike  JAD  no no, you agreed completely that my money was assured, you even promised i would make money 
5/16/2010  11:20:49 PM  Mike  JAD  second, 100 usd is completely reasonable for 100m, since u were selling for 2-3ea 
5/16/2010  11:23:29 PM  Mike  JAD  all i know is you owe me 100m or 100 usd, your choice 
5/16/2010  11:28:49 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) I told u i knew the items would go up and in most cases they did. When did i make it my responsibility to back up your investment? so this is what ur  
5/16/2010  11:28:49 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) saying: i should tell u items that are being merched. If Im right, u profit. If Im wrong, i pay for your losses. What kind of fantasy world is that? 
5/16/2010  11:31:03 PM  Mike  JAD  I never wanted any part in your merches, i simply let you use my account, you bought rares on it, put items on it, and left me with it 
5/16/2010  11:31:37 PM  Mike  JAD  then when it was time to make my lost money back from your fallin items u put on it, u said do veracs, which also lost me money 
5/16/2010  11:33:36 PM  Mike  JAD  the choco bars that you said to do i broke even, i was never repaid for letting you use my account 
5/16/2010  11:34:16 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) U let me use your account to hold rares on as a favor. I bought the merch items for u as a favor so u wouldnt have to log on and do it yourself. i wasnt 
5/16/2010  11:34:16 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) renting your account like i was with the others. Dont say u didnt want part in the merching. u wanted the info to make gp with 
5/16/2010  11:35:16 PM  Mike  JAD  of course i wanted to make money, why would i not want to make more money, but instead i let you use my account so YOU could make real life 
5/16/2010  11:35:46 PM  Mike  JAD  money, and u bought/traded me failing items from you other accounts and i lost money 
5/16/2010  11:36:01 PM  Mike  JAD  if it was a favor, you still owe me what you lost 
5/16/2010  11:37:27 PM  Mike  JAD  my favor to you was to let you hold items on my account, which i did, but as soon as that lost me money, it became your problem 
5/16/2010  11:39:28 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) Ok, so i owe u for the items i held on your account and you lost on. That was my fault. But that wasnt close to100m. most was lost from curry treeseeds 
5/16/2010  11:39:28 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) and veracs flails. I dont owe u for those... 
5/16/2010  11:40:22 PM  Mike  JAD  You told me to do the verac flails for the loss on the curry seeds and other item, that is on you 
5/16/2010  11:42:57 PM  Mike  JAD  you also went on my account and bought verac flails 
5/16/2010  11:43:37 PM  JAD  Mike  Again your risk... I wouldnt have told u about the items if i knew it was either u profited or i covered your losses. Thats a stupid deal for me. 
5/16/2010  11:44:34 PM  Mike  JAD  There was no deal. You were simply making my money back for what u lost already..but instead you lost more, we had no deal/favor 
5/16/2010  11:44:46 PM  Mike  JAD  you were simply trying to make my money back. 
5/16/2010  11:45:26 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) That was because u wanted me to to update offers... Im not paying you. I cant anyways, Theres no way i could so Theres no point debating it. I truly am 
5/16/2010  11:45:26 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) sorry for your rsgp loss. Youll get over it eventually though. 
5/16/2010  11:46:02 PM  Mike  JAD  now i will go get ur IP address, home address, name, phone, and go from there 
5/16/2010  11:46:22 PM  JAD  Mike  I didnt lose anything already... U did when you took the risk of buying items i told u woulod go up.  
5/16/2010  11:47:01 PM  Mike  JAD  since we cannot discuss this it seems, i will find your information 
5/16/2010  11:47:01 PM  JAD  Mike  Ok 
5/16/2010  11:48:43 PM  Mike  JAD  im not the only one angry with you, reguardless if they people are correct, this should make it easy 
5/16/2010  11:51:23 PM  JAD  Mike  You can stop fear Mongering now, its not working. U lost gp in runescape. Come over to my house over it Idc Lol... ur going to kill me over a lost 100m rsgp? 
5/16/2010  11:52:41 PM  Mike  JAD  that 100m = 100 usd lost, u can pay me back, or ill call your parents daily, and maybe ill stop by and not kill you of course lol 
5/16/2010  11:57:41 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) It would cost over 100 usd to drive or fly here and waste money on long distance calls. Its not like i stole 100m from u.s. Im not a bad person. i was  
5/16/2010  11:57:41 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) just trying to help u make profits and u lost money. Sorry about that but merching is a gamble. Im honestly done talking now though. 
5/16/2010  11:58:00 PM  Mike  JAD  yeah iv been done faggot 
5/16/2010  11:59:00 PM  JAD  Mike  You should consider growing up =) 
5/16/2010  11:59:20 PM  Mike  JAD  you should consider not scamming people shithead 
5/17/2010  12:02:40 AM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) Ur what 18, still playing runescape, and spending ur Sunday night immaturely insulting (badly i might add) a kid because he lost (not took, accidentally  
5/17/2010  12:03:00 AM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) lost) some of your rsgp u made by cheating. Maybe some day ull get a life.  

Convs i had with him 15-16th of this month

I have no idea how anyone else did business with him, but i lent him my account as a favor

he put dropping items on my account, and never recovered the losses, went on to merch something, on his own, but on my account to redeem my losses, and again put me further in debt.

EDIT: he talks of how i wanted to make money, of course i did, he JAD said he would make me PROFIT…in return for my account being used



Also, reguardless what u all say about this "unknown situation" that JADs in who cares, people in my close family have passed, you have to move on and take care of business, like people do every single day in the world

From: _ChArMz

Also, reguardless what u all say about this "unknown situation" that JADs in who cares, people in my close family have passed, you have to move on and take care of business, like people do every single day in the world

Really?!, you are saying 'who cares' about a real life issues?!?! and you expect us to then care about some simple RSGP?! WOW…

And by that conversation above, you seem to have fucked yourself in the whole ordeal. You lost money on the first merch, and wanted the money back so badly that you didn't even change your password and did a 2nd merch that also failed…mistakes made by you, some of the loss could have been avoided.

From: HyperSecret
Really?!, you are saying 'who cares' about a real life issues?!?! and you expect us to then care about some simple RSGP?! WOW…

You shouldn't mix your own feelings in this…

From: Wizzup?
You shouldn't mix your own feelings in this…

Haha, trust me I'm not.

Do I think JAD isn't to blame, No. But do I think these guys shouldn't take any blame? No, also.


_Charmz, says it happens every day and you need to move on. Apply that back to yourself…People lose money every day on markets, move on from it.

People take peoples advice day in and day out, sometimes they make money somtimes they lose. The persons repuatation is on the line by telling you where to invest, obviously JAD repuatation is lost now.

From: HyperSecret
Really?!, you are saying 'who cares' about a real life issues?!?! and you expect us to then care about some simple RSGP?! WOW…

And by that conversation above, you seem to have fucked yourself in the whole ordeal. You lost money on the first merch, and wanted the money back so badly that you didn't even change your password and did a 2nd merch that also failed…mistakes made by you, some of the loss could have been avoided.

Are you JAD's buttbuddy or what?

I gave my account to JAD in confidence that I WOULD NOT LOSE ANY MONEY. I did it as a favor so he could MAKE REAL LIFE MONEY SELLING RARES, ect. He did however promise multiply times that he would make me money in the process. We had no agreement to make me money, he was simply to use my account to hold things and if he used/lost any money to recoup those loses.

He lost me money, and failed to recoup my loses. END OF STORY

This doesn't matter if it was only 1 dollar, scammer is a scammer, also that simple RSGP has real life value(USD/Per Mils).

From: HyperSecret
Haha, trust me I'm not.

Do I think JAD isn't to blame, No. But do I think these guys shouldn't take any blame? No, also.


_Charmz, says it happens every day and you need to move on. Apply that back to yourself…People lose money every day on markets, move on from it.

People take peoples advice day in and day out, sometimes they make money somtimes they lose. The persons repuatation is on the line by telling you where to invest, obviously JAD repuatation is lost now.

When I entered this friendly favor/agreement, I never at anytime had an agreement to put forth money that I could lose. Do not compare this to the stock market, because what me and JAD had going on is not the same thing

Not to be mean or something but you shouldn't thought about this scenario before you did the 'deal'.. After all, a word on the Internet doesn't mean much.

Charmz, look, by the sounds of things, JAD isn't going to (or simply can't) pay you back. You could do whatever you want: call his house, visit him, etc., but honestly you seem to be putting a lot more effort trying to get in contact with JAD/forcing him to pay you some rsgp that he may or may not have promised you then the effort you'd put in doing something productive. Obviously, this isn't going anywhere.

People get scammed over the internet all the time (not saying JAD scammed anyone), why's this situation any different? Yes, maybe this is a little more money than the common situations, but compared to what my account has lost it's nothing. You say 100M will pay you back (which from what JAD said, is too much, but lets say it's not). When I lent JAD my account, I had 604M cash. Now, I have 19M cash, an Easter, a Pirate's Hook and 397k chocolate bars, which totals 210M, so that's a 394M loss.

I'm not justifying anything JAD's done, but I'm not going against him either. No offence, but you really should have thought about just handing your account information over to someone on the internet, regardless of his reputation. I know people that would NEVER trust even their real life best friend with personal information.

No matter what you end up doing, there's nothing you can do that will force JAD to eventually repay what you say he owes you. You should just let it go and continue with your life.

Again, no offence, but I have to agree with JAD's last statement in your text conversation.

From: Wizzup?
Well if he plans to not come back it doesn't really matter what he says and what he doesn't say…

If he wasn't coming back, he wouldn't care what we thought about him anyway, so he would simply label himself a scammer and walk away rather than deal with all of us questioning him. Charmz' plan to find him in real life is highly unlikely to work. Consistently bugging him IRL (through phone, etc) could probably be considered harassment, and an issue of scammed RSGP that isn't supposed to be traded for USD by the RSGP owner's (Jagex) rules, doesn't seem like it'd amount to anything to a judge. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm no expert.

From: The Claw
Tad, he's using you as a mule to rally support for himself, since he would have seen you sympathising with him on the forum topics. If he can contact you, he can contact others via PM/email etc JUST as easily.

I contacted him, he responded, and I told you guys what he said and my opinion on it, nothing more. Furthermore, I contacted him via IM, meaning there is no definite proof that he has access to PM/Email. IM obviously works, and so I concluded that he's waiting for Coh3n to be on at the same time as him to talk.

Also: JAD's homeschooled IIRC? If he truly had a death in the family, he would probably be relying on his friends here for support, because he wouldnt have many IRL and you cant stay with your family 24/7 for 3 months+

He is not homeschooled, he is in college

….what I'm saying is he would be posting, he would be reaching out, but instead hes hardly talking to anyone - passive agressive aloofness. You can tell from the anger and tone he knows he's fucked up…again, if it was a simple mistake, dissapearing and doing what he's done wouldnt be the behaviour expected - he would be contributing, trying to get on people's good sides, to show he's not a bad person etc. His behaviour almost exactly fits the way scammers who screw their mates over act. Deliberately keeping a distance from us all because he knows hes fucked us and can no longer relate to us all as friends because of guilt, with a bullshit story to try and convince us he's still our friend before he dissapears to let the storm blow over. So he makes up a story, tries to act the way he would expect someone to act, not realising thats not how you would be at all…

AFAIK, all of these losses occurred after JAD virtually disappeared. He probably just didn't care anymore because of whatever occurred in his life. Conceivably this may have led to some losses due to negligence (However, I have yet to see anyone who's actually lost anything and JAD has stated he would not pay back). What I'm saying is JAD disappeared a long time ago and he's not here because of whatever happened IRL not because his customers may have lost money because of him.

If he truly had a death in the family, and that's what caused the merch to go bad, he would not react with anger and aggression when confronted - it would be a mix of apologetic (to show us he's sorry, as anyone would be, UNLESS they just scammed someone) and genuine sadness (from the death). Theres no sadness - its all angry "go away im having problems you have no right i didnt do anything aharraihruhluk". A reaction to being called out and reminded of what he did.

He's not sorry because he believes (and I agree, from what I've seen thus far) that he has done nothing wrong. Maybe you know something about human psychology that I don't, but acting angry at anyone who falsely accuses you of something, especially after a tragic event, seems pretty normal to me.

From: _ChArMz

5/9/2010  10:48:52 PM  JAD  Mike  Hey 
5/9/2010  10:49:05 PM  Mike  JAD  whats up? 
5/9/2010  10:50:55 PM  JAD  Mike  Nothing 
5/9/2010  10:50:55 PM  JAD  Mike  Need to get back to studying for finals 
5/9/2010  10:51:05 PM  JAD  Mike  Have one tomorrow, and one tuesday 
5/9/2010  10:51:05 PM  JAD  Mike  Then I'm out for summer 
5/9/2010  10:51:19 PM  Mike  JAD  nice 
5/16/2010  7:18:44 PM  Mike  JAD  wtf u doin now? 
5/16/2010  8:05:04 PM  JAD  Mike  Huh? 
5/16/2010  8:05:45 PM  Mike  JAD  u comin back yet to repay my mils? 
5/16/2010  8:54:45 PM  JAD  Mike  Coming back to where? 
5/16/2010  8:55:01 PM  Mike  JAD  nvm that, just come send me my mils :D 
5/16/2010  9:58:21 PM  JAD  Mike  How am i supposed to do that? 
5/16/2010  10:29:35 PM  Mike  JAD  i have no idea, thats up to u 
5/16/2010  10:29:42 PM  Mike  JAD  u can give me 100 usd or 100m 
5/16/2010  10:50:23 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) That seems slightly impossible considering i dont have a non limited paypal and no gp. And considering it was your risk to invest using my merch clan  
5/16/2010  10:50:24 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) info... 100 usd seems completely ridiculous anyways 
5/16/2010  11:20:18 PM  Mike  JAD  no no, you agreed completely that my money was assured, you even promised i would make money 
5/16/2010  11:20:49 PM  Mike  JAD  second, 100 usd is completely reasonable for 100m, since u were selling for 2-3ea 
5/16/2010  11:23:29 PM  Mike  JAD  all i know is you owe me 100m or 100 usd, your choice 
5/16/2010  11:28:49 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) I told u i knew the items would go up and in most cases they did. When did i make it my responsibility to back up your investment? so this is what ur  
5/16/2010  11:28:49 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) saying: i should tell u items that are being merched. If Im right, u profit. If Im wrong, i pay for your losses. What kind of fantasy world is that? 
5/16/2010  11:31:03 PM  Mike  JAD  I never wanted any part in your merches, i simply let you use my account, you bought rares on it, put items on it, and left me with it 
5/16/2010  11:31:37 PM  Mike  JAD  then when it was time to make my lost money back from your fallin items u put on it, u said do veracs, which also lost me money 
5/16/2010  11:33:36 PM  Mike  JAD  the choco bars that you said to do i broke even, i was never repaid for letting you use my account 
5/16/2010  11:34:16 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) U let me use your account to hold rares on as a favor. I bought the merch items for u as a favor so u wouldnt have to log on and do it yourself. i wasnt 
5/16/2010  11:34:16 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) renting your account like i was with the others. Dont say u didnt want part in the merching. u wanted the info to make gp with 
5/16/2010  11:35:16 PM  Mike  JAD  of course i wanted to make money, why would i not want to make more money, but instead i let you use my account so YOU could make real life 
5/16/2010  11:35:46 PM  Mike  JAD  money, and u bought/traded me failing items from you other accounts and i lost money 
5/16/2010  11:36:01 PM  Mike  JAD  if it was a favor, you still owe me what you lost 
5/16/2010  11:37:27 PM  Mike  JAD  my favor to you was to let you hold items on my account, which i did, but as soon as that lost me money, it became your problem 
5/16/2010  11:39:28 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) Ok, so i owe u for the items i held on your account and you lost on. That was my fault. But that wasnt close to100m. most was lost from curry treeseeds 
5/16/2010  11:39:28 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) and veracs flails. I dont owe u for those... 
5/16/2010  11:40:22 PM  Mike  JAD  You told me to do the verac flails for the loss on the curry seeds and other item, that is on you 
5/16/2010  11:42:57 PM  Mike  JAD  you also went on my account and bought verac flails 
5/16/2010  11:43:37 PM  JAD  Mike  Again your risk... I wouldnt have told u about the items if i knew it was either u profited or i covered your losses. Thats a stupid deal for me. 
5/16/2010  11:44:34 PM  Mike  JAD  There was no deal. You were simply making my money back for what u lost already..but instead you lost more, we had no deal/favor 
5/16/2010  11:44:46 PM  Mike  JAD  you were simply trying to make my money back. 
5/16/2010  11:45:26 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) That was because u wanted me to to update offers... Im not paying you. I cant anyways, Theres no way i could so Theres no point debating it. I truly am 
5/16/2010  11:45:26 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) sorry for your rsgp loss. Youll get over it eventually though. 
5/16/2010  11:46:02 PM  Mike  JAD  now i will go get ur IP address, home address, name, phone, and go from there 
5/16/2010  11:46:22 PM  JAD  Mike  I didnt lose anything already... U did when you took the risk of buying items i told u woulod go up.  
5/16/2010  11:47:01 PM  Mike  JAD  since we cannot discuss this it seems, i will find your information 
5/16/2010  11:47:01 PM  JAD  Mike  Ok 
5/16/2010  11:48:43 PM  Mike  JAD  im not the only one angry with you, reguardless if they people are correct, this should make it easy 
5/16/2010  11:51:23 PM  JAD  Mike  You can stop fear Mongering now, its not working. U lost gp in runescape. Come over to my house over it Idc Lol... ur going to kill me over a lost 100m rsgp? 
5/16/2010  11:52:41 PM  Mike  JAD  that 100m = 100 usd lost, u can pay me back, or ill call your parents daily, and maybe ill stop by and not kill you of course lol 
5/16/2010  11:57:41 PM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) It would cost over 100 usd to drive or fly here and waste money on long distance calls. Its not like i stole 100m from u.s. Im not a bad person. i was  
5/16/2010  11:57:41 PM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) just trying to help u make profits and u lost money. Sorry about that but merching is a gamble. Im honestly done talking now though. 
5/16/2010  11:58:00 PM  Mike  JAD  yeah iv been done faggot 
5/16/2010  11:59:00 PM  JAD  Mike  You should consider growing up =) 
5/16/2010  11:59:20 PM  Mike  JAD  you should consider not scamming people shithead 
5/17/2010  12:02:40 AM  JAD  Mike  (1/2) Ur what 18, still playing runescape, and spending ur Sunday night immaturely insulting (badly i might add) a kid because he lost (not took, accidentally  
5/17/2010  12:03:00 AM  JAD  Mike  (2/2) lost) some of your rsgp u made by cheating. Maybe some day ull get a life.  

Convs i had with him 15-16th of this month

I have no idea how anyone else did business with him, but i lent him my account as a favor

he put dropping items on my account, and never recovered the losses, went on to merch something, on his own, but on my account to redeem my losses, and again put me further in debt.

EDIT: he talks of how i wanted to make money, of course i did, he JAD said he would make me PROFIT…in return for my account being used

Also, reguardless what u all say about this "unknown situation" that JADs in who cares, people in my close family have passed, you have to move on and take care of business, like people do every single day in the world

Here is the sequence of events I see….

1) JAD asks to borrow your account; you agree with the condition that he wouldn't lose any money
2) JAD buys rares and leaves them
3) You lose a small amount (relative to the 100m)
4) JAD asks you whether you wish to take part in his merch clan's merching
5) You say yes, so he starts merching for you with his clan
6) You lose money, a grand total of 100m

Correct?

Now, apparently the disconnect is at #4. You say JAD said something like "I'm going to merch items to make you your money back". JAD says that he said something along the lines of "Sorry for losing a little money, we'll talk about that later. Meanwhile, do you want to be part of my merch clan? I'll go on your account and merch for you as a favor."

Clearly JAD was wrong and it is clearly his fault you don't have that 100m anymore. But, depending on who's story checks out, either…

JAD can't be held responsible because he guaranteed nothing when he offered you to be part of the merching. According to him, the merching was a completely separate deal.

OR

JAD is wholly responsible because the merching was an addendum to the borrowing of the account (thus carrying over the guarantee initially laid out when you let him use the account).

Hence, from what I can see: Prove that JAD explicitly stated that he would be doing the merching to recoup your losses and not as a separate agreement.

As for the amount lost that he acknowledges was his fault (before the merching), how much was it? Sure you could pin that on him, but, depending on the amount, surely you have some sympathy for a guy whose world seems to be falling apart.

I do not give a fuck if both of his parents died in a car crash..

This kid screwed me, and thats all i care about

I gave my account to him as a favor to do his business. I said he could do w/e as long as i broke even. I did not break even. Agreement has been broken. End of story!

EDIT: I was never a part of a "merch clan" with him

Again, i dont care if this was 100 USD or 100m RSGP, what he did was wrong

You people posting your views on this is pointless and u can stop :D

TAD :P, U KNOW HIM IN RL? what college he go to ? :D
I believe i have IPs from him posting @ college :O

From: _ChArMz
I do not give a fuck if both of his parents died in a car crash..

This kid screwed me, and thats all i care about

I gave my account to him as a favor to do his business. I said he could do w/e as long as i broke even. I did not break even. Agreement has been broken. End of story!

Again, i dont care if this was 100 USD or 100m RSGP, what he did was wrong

You people posting your views on this is pointless and u can stop :D

All that told us is that you're a selfish fuck that doesn't care about anything but himself. Whether he did what he did without permission or not, he still had access to your account, which is ultimately your fault.

From: Coh3n
All that told us is that you're a selfish fuck that doesn't care about anything but himself. Whether he did what he did without permission or not, he still had access to your account, which is ultimately your fault.

Yes, so?

lol

stop posting retard, thanks

From: _ChArMz
Yes, so?

lol

stop posting retard, thanks

LMFAO are you serious!? Do you have any clue of the lengths you're going to go gain a few pixels back? You're making yourself look like a retard.

Do us all a favour and let it go.

From: Coh3n
LMFAO are you serious!? Do you have any clue of the lengths you're going to go gain a few pixels back? You're making yourself look like a retard.

Do us all a favour and let it go.

u piece of shit, it not just about the pixels, which ARE WORTH REAL MONEY FAGGOT RETARD

When i conduct business, I get it done, and I do what i am going to do, end of story…JAD did not

If this bothers ur little bitchass leave…

I have been here since 06, and have never had problems, I gave JAD time and spoke with him, he did not want to hear it

From: _ChArMz
u piece of shit, it not just about the pixels, which ARE WORTH REAL MONEY FAGGOT RETARD

When i conduct business, I get it done, and I do what i am going to do, end of story…JAD did not

If this bothers ur little bitchass leave…

I have been here since 06, and have never had problems, I gave JAD time and spoke with him, he did not want to hear it

From what I read he did hear it, and replied, he just didn't agree with you. I don't think I've ever seen someone get so pissed off because of an internet scam…

And "faggot retard"? What are you? 12?

It doesn't matter what you say to me, JAD or anyone else for that matter, you've already lost any chance you've had of getting this money back. Now you're just blowing the whole situation out of proportion.

come on guys, this is SSRL…this language and insulting each other is something I would expect elsewhere, can we keep it civilized?

From: Coh3n
From what I read he did hear it, and replied, he just didn't agree with you. I don't think I've ever seen someone get so pissed off because of an internet scam…

And "faggot retard"? What are you? 12?

It doesn't matter what you say to me, JAD or anyone else for that matter, you've already lost any chance you've had of getting this money back. Now you're just blowing the whole situation out of proportion.

next time i get scammed, ill put on a smile

ur gay

i never escalated the situation, it has remained the same
just a lot of idiots came in here telling me there opinion and it pissed me off


STOP POSTING, WHY WE ARE FIGHTING, BEATS THE HELL OUT OF ME

Im done, if u want to post something productive towards the topic, im down :)

From: _ChArMz
next time i get scammed, ill put on a smile

ur gay

i never escalated the situation, it has remained the same
just a lot of idiots came in here telling me there opinion and it pissed me off


STOP POSTING, WHY WE ARE FIGHTING, BEATS THE HELL OUT OF ME

I'm gay? Never heard that before…

I honestly don't know what to say to you any more. You have fun calling his parents, visiting him and whatever else you plan on doing. I hope it's worth everything you're going lose.

Bye

From: _ChArMz
I do not give a fuck if both of his parents died in a car crash..

This kid screwed me, and thats all i care about

I gave my account to him as a favor to do his business. I said he could do w/e as long as i broke even. I did not break even. Agreement has been broken. End of story!

EDIT: I was never a part of a "merch clan" with him

Again, i dont care if this was 100 USD or 100m RSGP, what he did was wrong

You people posting your views on this is pointless and u can stop :D

TAD :P, U KNOW HIM IN RL? what college he go to ? :D
I believe i have IPs from him posting @ college :O

I don't know him IRL.

You didn't read my last post carefully. Unless you can prove otherwise, he does not owe you 100m/100USD. Rather he owes you the amount that was lost before the merching occurred, as he admitted himself. I'm assuming that amount is a very small, inconsequential sum, and I don't understand what you're so worked up about, other than perhaps your own failure to realize that you weren't guaranteed anything going into the merching (unless you prove otherwise).

This topic really should just be closed…

I'm not taking any sides but _ChArMz, don't you think this could be handled privately between the two of you from here on out?

From: Tad
I don't know him IRL.

You didn't read my last post carefully. Unless you can prove otherwise, he does not owe you 100m/100USD. Rather he owes you the amount that was lost before the merching occurred, as he admitted himself. I'm assuming that amount is a very small, inconsequential sum, and I don't understand what you're so worked up about, other than perhaps your own failure to realize that you weren't guaranteed anything going into the merching (unless you prove otherwise).

Again, for the last and final time, I went in on 1 merch he suggested, and he did one on my account himself.

The one he did himself was veracs fails(correct?), he bought around ~97, and i ended up selling them weeks later after it failed(with an ok from JAD) for a loss of ~50m

But before that i was already in the hole ~50m from his other trades, from things stated before

I also did the chocolate dust, on my own, and i am not including any loss from that..

The agreement with the veracs was to have no loss to myself, just to redeem the lost money, and again he promised profit..lol

if I still have msn logs, from that long ago, i will post, but i really do not know, there is no other proof besides that

From: _ChArMz
Again, for the last and final time, I went in on 1 merch he suggested, and he did one on my account himself.

The one he did himself was veracs fails(correct?), he bought around ~97, and i ended up selling them weeks later after it failed(with an ok from JAD) for a loss of ~50m

But before that i was already in the hole ~50m from his other trades, from things stated before

I also did the chocolate dust, on my own, and i am not including any loss from that..

The agreement with the veracs was to have no loss to myself, just to redeem the lost money, and again he promised profit..lol

if I still have msn logs, from that long ago, i will post, but i really do not know, there is no other proof besides that

My point is that JAD's defense in the convo you provided us with is that he had no agreement that he is recouping your losses via merching. He stated the merching was separate from the losses incurred from borrowing the account.

You say…

The agreement with the veracs was to have no loss to myself, just to redeem the lost money, and again he promised profit..lol

He says….

Again your risk… I wouldnt have told u about the items if i knew it was either u profited or i covered your losses. Thats a stupid deal for me.

Basically you're saying that JAD was merching on your account to make back the money he lost earlier. JAD says merching had nothing to do with paying you back and that you took the risk in joining JAD's merches (whether he was the one executing them on your account or not) as a separate 'deal'.

It's your word against JAD's, neither have been proved, but innocent until proven guilty lies in JAD's favor.

EDIT: JAD's last sentence there brings up an interesting point: why would he risk merching with no potential gain on his end and plenty to lose if the merch went wrong? It would make much more sense to just pay you back straight up and then work out some sort of deal with guarantees and what-not. Of course, if you have proof that he knew full well that losing money in merching would mean repaying you the losses, my edit is irrelevant.


EDIT2: 50m was the amount you lost from JAD borrowing your account to hold rares? Is that a street price estimate or a GE price?

JADs Quote:
"Again your risk… I wouldnt have told u about the items if i knew it was either u profited or i covered your losses. Thats a stupid deal for me."

"Thats a stupid deal for me." - that right there makes no sense, why would he say that when I gave him my account FREE as a favor to a friend

all i said was do not lose me money, he is the one that promised profit multiple times, i never entered any agreements lol….im sure….i know he made money off my account, i had one simple rule..and he could not follow it

From: _ChArMz
JADs Quote:
"Again your risk… I wouldnt have told u about the items if i knew it was either u profited or i covered your losses. Thats a stupid deal for me."

"Thats a stupid deal for me." - that right there makes no sense, why would he say that when I gave him my account FREE as a favor to a friend

all i said was do not lose me money, he is the one that promised profit multiple times, i never entered any agreements lol….im sure….i know he made money off my account, i had one simple rule..and he could not follow it

I don't think you saw my edits so I'll repost.

EDIT: JAD's last sentence there brings up an interesting point: why would he risk merching with no potential gain on his end and plenty to lose if the merch went wrong? It would make much more sense to just pay you back straight up and then work out some sort of deal with guarantees and what-not. Of course, if you have proof that he knew full well that losing money in merching would mean repaying you the losses, my edit is irrelevant.


EDIT2: 50m was the amount you lost from JAD borrowing your account to hold rares? Is that a street price estimate or a GE price?

JAD says that the account lending had nothing to do with the merching. Thus, the merching would be "a stupid deal" if what you are saying is true, since any profit JAD made would go to you and any loss would be JAD's responsibility.

You say that you told him to not lose money while merching. JAD says that you didn't. Your word against his.

Quote from you: :D (Lazy)

EDIT2: 50m was the amount you lost from JAD borrowing your account to hold rares? Is that a street price estimate or a GE price?

I not only held rares, which if i lost money(during an updated), it was just a few mils, the major mils came from holding tens of thousands of falling merch items THAT JAD was doing on his other accounts WHICH I HAD NO PART IN, and was traded over to my account because he need to free money

I really dont know why he did not just pay me back…i know he could of instead he gave promises of crazy profit doing his merch…

EDIT: something i found:

2/5/2010  2:57:47 PM  Mike  JAD  hey 
2/5/2010  2:57:54 PM  JAD  Mike  Hey 
2/5/2010  2:57:57 PM  JAD  Mike  What's up? 
2/5/2010  2:58:08 PM  Mike  JAD  whats with all the mauls and pharoahs? 
2/5/2010  2:58:13 PM  Mike  JAD  sceptres 
2/5/2010  2:58:35 PM  JAD  Mike  Yeah that's what I was going to talk to you about :P 
2/5/2010  2:58:42 PM  JAD  Mike  I got a great offer on some junk 
2/5/2010  2:58:49 PM  JAD  Mike  I'll make all your money back plus like 15M 
2/5/2010  2:58:52 PM  JAD  Mike  Using merchanting clan items 

this is something i forgot about too lol, he bought junk on my account, made RL money, and i was stuck with loss….

From: _ChArMz

I not only held rares, which if i lost money(during an updated), it was just a few mils, the major mils came from holding tens of thousands of falling merch items THAT JAD was doing on his other accounts WHICH I HAD NO PART IN, and was traded over to my account because he need to free money

In terms of rares, I don't think you can put a range as small as something less than 50m on most. Thus, anything you say you lost from the rares doesn't seem to be significant enough to hold against JAD.

As for those various merch items, that, to me, seems the only place where JAD is responsible for paying you. Now, the question is, how much was it? JAD, in the convo, acknowledged that he owes you that, and, as of now, that seems to be the only thing you two should be discussing (the difference between the value of the merch items when he traded them to your account and the price now). Any estimation on the value?

I really dont know why he did not just pay me back…i know he could of instead he gave promises of crazy profit doing his merch…

Several reasons probably. If he got you lots of profit from the merch (as he expected he would), you would likely be forgiving of the <50m that he lost you. However, he was protecting himself by never agreeing to recoup your losses from that merch. Most likely that, or maybe he didn't have the ability to pay you back at the time, so he was hoping to get another merch going with your account as one of the many within the merch. We can keep guessing, but reasons for decisions don't really matter now, what's done is done.

2/5/2010  2:57:47 PM  Mike  JAD  hey 
2/5/2010  2:57:54 PM  JAD  Mike  Hey 
2/5/2010  2:57:57 PM  JAD  Mike  What's up? 
2/5/2010  2:58:08 PM  Mike  JAD  whats with all the mauls and pharoahs? 
2/5/2010  2:58:13 PM  Mike  JAD  sceptres 
2/5/2010  2:58:35 PM  JAD  Mike  Yeah that's what I was going to talk to you about :P 
2/5/2010  2:58:42 PM  JAD  Mike  I got a great offer on some junk 
2/5/2010  2:58:49 PM  JAD  Mike  I'll make all your money back plus like 15M 
2/5/2010  2:58:52 PM  JAD  Mike  Using merchanting clan items 

this is something i forgot about too lol, he bought junk on my account, made RL money, and i was stuck with loss….

That amounts to how much loss from that? Did you include that in your estimation of 50m from him borrowing your account?

no idea man, of any exact values, the 100m estimate was a "nice" estimation

im going to bed :D

From: _ChArMz
no idea man, of any exact values, the 100m estimate was a "nice" estimation

im going to bed :D

It's kind of hard to demand/take action against someone when you don't know what they 'stole' :p

In my opinion, you should try talking to JAD again, without attempting to insult him this time and perhaps with an apology. It's pretty clear that he's in a pickle right now and doesn't really have a means of paying back, but, as mentioned earlier, he's trying to get in touch with Coh3n to pay him back. So, if you get on his good side and don't ask for more than you know you deserve - that junk you brought up in your last post is a good example of something you're positive about, in addition to:

5/16/2010 11:39:28 PM JAD Mike (1/2) Ok, so i owe u for the items i held on your account and you lost on. That was my fault. But that wasnt close to100m. most was lost from curry treeseeds
5/16/2010 11:39:28 PM JAD Mike (2/2) and veracs flails. I dont owe u for those…

Just stay on good terms with him and hope that he comes back someday and repays you whatever the above amounts to. After all, there's absolutely no other way you'll even have a chance to get your money besides that route.

Ditto on the sleep.

From: _ChArMz
JADs Quote:
"Again your risk… I wouldnt have told u about the items if i knew it was either u profited or i covered your losses. Thats a stupid deal for me."

"Thats a stupid deal for me." - that right there makes no sense, why would he say that when I gave him my account FREE as a favor to a friend

all i said was do not lose me money, he is the one that promised profit multiple times, i never entered any agreements lol….im sure….i know he made money off my account, i had one simple rule..and he could not follow it

Almost exactly the same situation here. Promises of profits if he was allowed access to my mill's…ended up losing cash from items he traded over, he also made $RL off one of my phats which I didnt get back (another promise he broke).

I guess the lesson here is greed corrupts :rolleyes:

From: The Claw
Almost exactly the same situation here. Promises of profits if he was allowed access to my mill's…ended up losing cash from items he traded over, he also made $RL off one of my phats which I didnt get back (another promise he broke).

I guess the lesson here is greed corrupts :rolleyes:

Greed? JAD didn't gain anything from you losing money. If anything, he lost.

Besides, as I've said before, your case was different (unless something has drastically changed since the last thread), seeing as JAD never told you to sell the chocolate bars and, IIRC, you had sold a rare, whatever it was, for well below what you could have gotten for it. My point is that JAD was not in control when you decided to sell off his items.

Yea and in doing so ended up losing more on the chocolate bars than I did by the sounds of it, because he waited around for JAD for longer than I did. Also, as I've said before, you're missing the point.

To me, scam is scam.

I'd have him banned. The attitude is purely of "I don't give a shit and there's nothing you can do about it".

If you chase him down you might still not get anything back. Except his shame. Up to you. I'm in favour of ban.

~RM

@ The Claw, he sold your phat for RL cash, and never gave that money to you!?

what color did you have?

Red = ~80-125 USD
White = ~150-~225 USD

I remember him talking about a red or white, so it was prob one of those colors :O

If so thats pretty messed up

@Tad:
everytime JAD placed falling items on our account we lost money, while he gained
everytime JAD bought junk on our accounts, JAD gained RL money, while we lost

From: The Claw
Yea and in doing so ended up losing more on the chocolate bars than I did by the sounds of it, because he waited around for JAD for longer than I did. Also, as I've said before, you're missing the point.

First of all, the longer you waited the less you lost (even gained, eventually), seeing as chocolate bars started sky rocketing not long after JAD's attempt at merching them. Second, Charmz stated that the chocolate bars were most definitely his decision with no agreement with JAD (unlike you), so that is irrelevant, not to mention he broke even there.

I don't know anything about merching, but JAD is an expert, and I highly doubt he would have sold at the point you did (which ended up being pretty much the maximum loss, IIRC). That may be biased, but in the end, it was your decision to sell them and you're trying to get JAD to pay you when if you had waited you would have even made a profit, IIRC.

From: Rasta Magician
To me, scam is scam.

I'd have him banned. The attitude is purely of "I don't give a shit and there's nothing you can do about it".

If you chase him down you might still not get anything back. Except his shame. Up to you. I'm in favour of ban.

~RM

But it's not a scam… I see it as a misunderstanding. Whether JAD was intentionally attempting to create a loophole in which he wouldn't have to pay Charmz back, we'll never know. But, that loophole or misunderstanding did occur. I don't think it's a good idea to ban someone on interpretation of actions; you have to look at the facts, and judging from the facts, I don't see JAD as guilty (EDIT: Except for the sum of money that Charmz does not know the value of that I mentioned in my last post).

From: _ChArMz
@ The Claw, he sold your phat for RL cash, and never gave that money to you!?

what color did you have?

Red = ~80-125 USD
White = ~150-~225 USD

I remember him talking about a red or white, so it was prob one of those colors :O

If so thats pretty messed up

IIRC, JAD had removed a phat (purple?) from Claw's account and replaced with another rare (I believe an easter egg). Claw sold the easter egg after JAD was inactive for a fraction of the phat's price. When the whole discussion took place, it was proven that the phat's price was equal to or less than the easter's price, IIRC, something which Claw refuses to acknowledge, I believe.

@Tad:
everytime JAD placed falling items on our account we lost money, while he gained
everytime JAD bought junk on our accounts, JAD gained RL money, while we lost

At the time he was doing business, yes, he was gaining money. But after his disappearance (which was what I referring to), there's no way he could have been gaining money. All his items were crashing, he was never at a computer, and his reputation was being ripped to smithereens.

From: Tad

But it's not a scam… I see it as a misunderstanding. Whether JAD was intentionally attempting to create a loophole in which he wouldn't have to pay Charmz back, we'll never know. But, that loophole or misunderstanding did occur. I don't think it's a good idea to ban someone on interpretation of actions; you have to look at the facts, and judging from the facts, I don't see JAD as guilty (EDIT: Except for the sum of money that Charmz does not know the value of that I mentioned in my last post).

Yes, because all crimes will have perfectly traceable evidence and are absolutely clear in nature. That's why there's no need for an entire jury and judge system. Everything is black and white.

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
Yes, because all crimes will have perfectly traceable evidence and be absolutely clear in nature. That's why there's no need for an entire jury and judge system. Everything is black and white.

~RM

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

From: Tad
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

There will hardly ever be enough evidence to convict someone. That's why many law cases end in 'Not guilty due to reasonable doubt'.

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
There will hardly ever be enough evidence to convict someone. That's why many law cases end in 'Not guilty due to reasonable doubt'.

~RM

That still doesn't mean JAD should be declared a scammer just because Charmz understood the situation one way and JAD understood it another way. There's no evidence of either, so I'm going to take the middle route and assume it was a misunderstanding.

Though you could fault him for the undisclosed amount of money that he admitted to losing, I suppose.

From: Tad
That still doesn't mean JAD should be declared a scammer just because Charmz understood the situation one way and JAD understood it another way. There's no evidence of either, so I'm going to take the middle route and assume it was a misunderstanding.

Though you could fault him for the undisclosed amount of money that he admitted to losing, I suppose.

My interpretation of JADs attitude is "I lost you a hundred bucks and I don't give a shit". That's why I'd ban - the attitude.

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
My interpretation of JADs attitude is "I lost you a hundred bucks and I don't give a shit". That's why I'd ban - the attitude.

~RM

That seems a bit extreme to me, but I suppose it's subjective.

I don't think many of us can say we would react in a more sympathetic way, given JAD's current situation (assuming what he's been saying is true). First the IRL tragedy, whatever it was, might have put things in a different perspective. If someone accuses you of losing him $100 at that point, when you don't even believe that the 100$ was your responsibility, can you honestly say that you'd feel at all sympathetic to the accuser? Then, apparently his paypal is limited and all his gp has been drowned because of his absence. I don't really find it surprising or unacceptable that he would be annoyed and angry in this situation, but that's just me.

Coming back to Runescape until I can pay my buddy Coh3n back…


There is no such thing as black and white, so I should at least tell my side of the story (the truth, which has been perverted so that there is someone to blame for poor or unfortunate decisions of their own leading to lost rsgp)


As for The Claw, I truly am sorry you lost your gp. You wasted the easter egg I left you with to sell that junk without asking my opinion first. The chocolate bars ended up going to above what they were when you sold them with the easter egg just shortly after you sold it. So if you would have just done nothing you actually would have actually profited from me doing that on your account. There's no denying selling that easter egg with those chocolate bars was a bad trade, and there's no doubt that was what lead to your loss of gp. And there is no denying I did not tell you to sell the easter egg. I honestly am sorry the result was a loss, but I just don't see it as my fault.


As for Charmz I really don't have much to say. I owed you 20M for some junk I bought on your account. I held easters and other rising rares I bought off of sythe on your account for a few days which got you the 20M back plus some more. That merchanting clan stuff was a favor to give you inside information… Why would I be liable if that information wasn't good information? I lost my own gp from that idiot leader of gp empire… The difference is I hold myself accountable for trusting that information.


I really am not here to start a fight with anyone, I don't need the drama. Coh3n is a good guy, and I apologize for not being able to pay you back sooner.

I have been waiting for you to get back on msn Coh3n. I will start making you your gp back. Just name the amount of gp you want (I honestly don't even remember how much it was) and it's yours. Come on msn to talk to me.

~JAD

JAD, Coh3n has been very busy lately. Rather than wait for him on msn PM him here.

And considering that the information you passed on, which people trusted you on, ended up in a loss because you didn't keep people properly informed, I'd only find it fair if you told the claw and charmz what you current money making method is. On top of that this is SSRL, if the method really is worth it we could have another sudoku.

Is it still the herbs?

~RM

From: JAD
Coming back to Runescape until I can pay my buddy Coh3n back…

Finish my script http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59739 and make the money with it :P

From: marpis
Finish my script http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59739 and make the money with it :P

Lol Marpis I'm already making money and xp with mine. :p Working on a new script that won't make any xp but it'll make 30-50gp per item. Items Just so happens to be widely needed for a few areas of RS.

I talked to Coh3n on msn about 2 hours after making that post. It's all straightened out, I am working on paying Coh3n back now.

In the case of The Claw, I was managing his account for the merchant, and the item started to drop. He panicked and made an irrational decision to sell the egg with the chocolate bars. Informed or not, he shouldn't have sold it, because he didn't know what he was doing, and I was the one managing the merch… It was only like 100M junk he sold with the easter which at the time were selling for well over 200M street. That was just a ridiculously bad trade even if the bars value would have dropped half way.

In the case of Charmz I don't know how I was supposed to keep him informed on merchanting clan information I got that basically of screwed anybody who followed it (including me).


Since you are above me in rank I suppose you get to decide what's fair even though you had nothing to do with the entire situation and witnessed little to none of what happened. Honestly not trying to be rude, but it's pissing me off how this has all been perverted into me committing the crime of the century.


I honestly just don't care about my rank here or forum account anymore. So if you decide to ban me, I really couldn't care less. Supposedly all issues are black and white, so you've already decided that I am guilty before even hearing what happened from me. I am going to pay Coh3n back, because I gave him my word I would, and it's the right thing to do. Banning me wouldn't change that, so don't let that influence your decision.

oh your back?

its been awhile, and i had forgotten, but lets get this straight..

1) I lent you my account on many occasions, never expected anything but to have the same amount of cash on it when it was returned
2) If you remember i never was a part of your merchanting clan, when you told me to merch choco bars, I did on my own, and broke even on my own. When you merched verac fails for me on my account, you did that in an attempt to repay me for the losses that happened when you put dropping / rares on my account.
3) you left and my losses were never repaid while im sure i made you lots of RL cash

Who unbanned him and deleted my post? Banned again. This is going nowhere and JAD is full of shit.
In my case: He's still trying to convince everyone he didnt screw up. Lol. JAD wasn't managing shit, he left me with a dropping item and wouldnt respond for a week on MSN, SRL or anything - even though theres conclusive proof he was online during that time. I sold out to save myself from even further losses. The way I see it he used us all as dummies, profited immensely and still has the money to pay us all right back now, but doesnt - it says on his MSN "selling easter eggs" so these posts are just complete bs. If he wants to come back to the community then he can fix what he did, and that isnt done by more empty promises and more bs posts acting apologetic.

I am going to pay Coh3n back, because I gave him my word I would

Lol…….he gave me his word he would give my Purple Phat back.

Since free tade is back, maybe he should come back and return everything…then this would all be over =0

I dunno, I still haven't heard from him since the last time he posted, which I'm pretty sure was months ago.

He's on MSN (via mobile device) right now, and has been for a while.
He's not on often though.

No chance he will pay any of us back, I gave him that option when he argued in the Rant agaisnt staff v2 agaisnt me on his account Killler. And he just tried to worm his way out of his ban again.

He said he was working to pay me back, but I was the only one. I'll see if I can get in contact with him and let you guys know how it goes.

JAD has been active the last couple days on sythe, selling GP

It looks like he has a large supply?

He has blocked me from his MSN, for no reason other than he knows he did wrong. I spoke no harsh words to him..lol

Oh has he now, that's interesting..

JAD was on MSN yesterday, I spoke to him for quite a while

From: Naum
JAD was on MSN yesterday, I spoke to him for quite a while

Anything interesting towards this topic that came up in the chat?

From: Zyt3x
Anything interesting towards this topic that came up in the chat?

Not much - just said he didn't do anything. Although, I posted that to confirm the fact that he is indeed active.

From: Naum
Not much - just said he didn't do anything. Although, I posted that to confirm the fact that he is indeed active.

I just noticed the last post can easily be mis-understood :S I didn't mean that you were spamming / shouldn't have posted / whatever, I were just curious about it :)

I wonder why he never messaged me..

JAD sold 1.2B about a month ago…on 3/29/11

So he is sitting on 1k+ real cash while scamming SRL…if anyone cares

we will prob never see him again..

From: _ChArMz
JAD sold 1.2B about a month ago…on 3/29/11

So he is sitting on 1k+ real cash while scamming SRL…if anyone cares

we will prob never see him again..

Wonderful.