SRL Archive - The Bashing Club / BBQ Pit

I'm tired of SCAR! :fiery:
Seriously. Every f***ing time I press the run button there comes some sort of error and "Scar has to close". Either I lose a lot of work or I have to re-open scar just to walk into the hands of another error! GetClientDimensions has been broken for a long time and Freddy hasn't been bothered to fix it yet - I'm changing to SIMBA!

Rage :@

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Yes, it is in bad shape, isn't it?

:'( That's unfortunate, I haven't been having too many issues recently. Any idea what function is causing the errors? Send error reports or better yet report the problem int he SCAR board.

It is a damn shame to see a legend go down :(

Luna will be out this summer.

From: IceFire908
Luna will be out this summer.

Simba still owns.

From: Frement
Simba still owns.

I would infract you for spamming but this is the BBQ pit section.

Insulting SCAR is pretty moronic, you guys are acting like a 12 year who tossed aside an old toy.

From: IceFire908
I would infract you for spamming but this is the BBQ pit section.

Insulting SCAR is pretty moronic, you guys are acting like a 12 year who tossed aside an old toy.

Or is it just your feelings towards Simba?

From: Wizzup?
Or is it just your feelings towards Simba?

It's my feelings towards the people that have this attitude against the very people that have a played a major role in the creation of this community, for a friend which treated us right all these years until it was bashed and ridiculed.

From: IceFire908
It's my feelings towards the people that have this attitude against the very people that have a played a major role in the creation of this community, for a friend which treated us right all these years until it was bashed and ridiculed.

I just pointed out that Simba will be, and is already better then SCAR or whatever.

From: IceFire908
It's my feelings towards the people that have this attitude against the very people that have a played a major role in the creation of this community, for a friend which treated us right all these years until it was bashed and ridiculed.

I guess you don't know their feelings then. ;)
But I don't blame you, you haven't been inside SRL until recently.

From: IceFire908
If it was so great, then it would not need to be pointed out.

So I guess you don't need to point out Luna either?
E: Since you were the first to point that out as well, before Frement posted.

From: Frement
I just pointed out that Simba will be, and is already better then SCAR or whatever.

If it was so great, then it would not need to be pointed out.

From: WT-Fakawi
Yes, it is in bad shape, isn't it?

Yes it is :'(

Can't wait for Luna! :D (Still think Simba is really good though :) wont stop using simba)

scar wasn't that bad…

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
scar wasn't that bad…

~RM

Key word..

wasn't? yea, the wear and tear of running scar has degraded the quality of the program. Maybe I just have a magical computer, but i dont think i have ever gotten any of the errors that people complain about. Scar will crash from time to time when my coding fails, but other than that, no such problems. Since then, and since most other editors require that you save before running/compiling, i do so in SCAR aswell. Maybe you should learn to do the same Zyt3x

I click the floppy disk like every 10 milliseconds :D.

From: Dan Cardin
wasn't? yea, the wear and tear of running scar has degraded the quality of the program. Maybe I just have a magical computer, but i dont think i have ever gotten any of the errors that people complain about. Scar will crash from time to time when my coding fails, but other than that, no such problems. Since then, and since most other editors require that you save before running/compiling, i do so in SCAR aswell. Maybe you should learn to do the same Zyt3x

What editors require this do you think? I don't know any editors that ask you to save your files before they go down hard. ;)

From: Wizzup?
So I guess you don't need to point out Luna either?
E: Since you were the first to point that out as well, before Frement posted.

Honestly, do you see me posting "SCAR owns" "luna will pwn the sh*t of out simba" this thread was about SCAR not working, and it was informative for him to know it will updated in the somewhat recent future. Pointing something out and answering a question are two different things.

Luna does indeed look promising. You can get the pre release here.

The only errors I get with SCAR are the occasional DIB errors. Simba has its bugs too of course, but I do believe Simba is making more progress than SCAR Luna at the moment.

From: nielsie95
Luna does indeed look promising. You can get the pre release here.

That prerelease is rather outdated.

I don't believe there's a more up to date version around?

From: nielsie95
I don't believe there's a more up to date version around?

Not for the public, no.

To be honest, i find you all to be ungrateful about what Freddy has done for us.

We'd be nowhere without him, now you're all ragedumping him like intergalactic faggots just to go with your god : Wizzup? 's (and many others, however seems like most of you are using it to be nice to wizzup…) scripting tool.

Ok, SCAR has a few problems, but it is still n°1, and I find it pretty fucked up that people just give him up, despite the fact that this community basically depends (or depended) on him.

I like SIMBA, its nice, smooth and stuff, nice functionalities, however it doesn't seem scriptable yet..

tl;dr : don't be a dickhead and insult / give up on freddy, think about what he has done for you, us, instead of licking ass and going with Simba.

Of course it is ok to prefer Simba, but not to crap on freddy.

From: Dr D. Dervish
To be honest, i find you all to be ungrateful about what Freddy has done for us.

We'd be nowhere without him, now you're all ragedumping him like intergalactic faggots just to go with your god : Wizzup? 's (and many others, however seems like most of you are using it to be nice to wizzup…) scripting tool.

Ok, SCAR has a few problems, but it is still n°1, and I find it pretty fucked up that people just give him up, despite the fact that this community basically depends (or depended) on him.

We depended on Kaitnieks. SCAR 3.x doesn't do much more than SCAR 2.03. We never ``depended'' on Freddy, in the sense that the community would die without him. We only depended on him to maintain SCAR, in which he did not do too well.

From: Dr D. Dervish
I like SIMBA, its nice, smooth and stuff, nice functionalities, however it doesn't seem scriptable yet..

tl;dr : don't be a dickhead and insult / give up on freddy, think about what he has done for you, us, instead of licking ass and going with Simba.

So because WoW is a better game than RS, you shouldn't play it because you'd be licking Blizzard ass?

From: Dr D. Dervish
Of course it is ok to prefer Simba, but not to crap on freddy.

Right, so saying SCAR is buggy and that one should use Simba for stability is the same as throwing crap at Freddy? In that case I'd be probably swimming in a pool of shit for all the ``crap'' I've gotten from people because they are not using the things that I use, like or created.

From: Dr D. Dervish
To be honest, i find you all to be ungrateful about what Freddy has done for us.

We'd be nowhere without him, now you're all ragedumping him like intergalactic faggots just to go with your god : Wizzup? 's (and many others, however seems like most of you are using it to be nice to wizzup…) scripting tool.

Ok, SCAR has a few problems, but it is still n°1, and I find it pretty fucked up that people just give him up, despite the fact that this community basically depends (or depended) on him.

I like SIMBA, its nice, smooth and stuff, nice functionalities, however it doesn't seem scriptable yet..

tl;dr : don't be a dickhead and insult / give up on freddy, think about what he has done for you, us, instead of licking ass and going with Simba.

Of course it is ok to prefer Simba, but not to crap on freddy.

I do in every way respect Freddy. He has done a lot good for the community, but when he fails to update scar to this level, and there is this other bot that is better and constantly updated through svn, I think there's no reason to stay with the old bot…

From: Wizzup?
We depended on Kaitnieks. SCAR 3.x doesn't do much more than SCAR 2.03. We never ``depended'' on Freddy, in the sense that the community would die without him. We only depended on him to maintain SCAR, in which he did not do too well.

> So, you saying SCAR would still work on today's RS with ver 2.03 ?

So because WoW is a better game than RS, you shouldn't play it because you'd be licking Blizzard ass?

> Implying Simba is better than SCAR.

Right, so saying SCAR is buggy and that one should use Simba for stability is the same as throwing crap at Freddy? In that case I'd be probably swimming in a pool of shit for all the ``crap'' I've gotten from people because they are not using the things that I use, like or created.

> Example please.

From: Dr D. Dervish
> So, you saying SCAR would still work on today's RS with ver 2.03 ?

If we had been working with it, and there would be no alternative like Simba, then yes, why not? There are no significant changes except for the uptext algo, but that can also be put in a plugin. (In fact, I had done that when Simba was still a secret, and SCAR's uptext was broken, but I decided not to release it for obvious reasons)

From: Dr D. Dervish
> Implying Simba is better than SCAR.

I'm going by what you said, yes. (Even though what you said was crap because you literally said it wasn't scriptable yet… lol)

From: Dr D. Dervish

> Example please.

… I think what I said is pretty self-explanatory. I'm sure you can think of plenty examples.

From: Wizzup?
If we had been working with it, and there would be no alternative like Simba, then yes, why not? There are no significant changes except for the uptext algo, but that can also be put in a plugin.

So I was right.

I'm going by what you said, yes. (Even though what you said was crap because you literally said it wasn't scriptable yet… lol)

?

… I think what I said is pretty self-explanatory. I'm sure you can think of plenty examples.

Give me an example ! I cannot think of any, and yes it was self explanatory, but afaik you haven't been disliked of any work.

From: Dr D. Dervish
> So I was right.

What you said was hypothetical, and I gave a hypothetical answer proving you wrong.

From: Dr D. Dervish

Give me an example ! I cannot think of any, and yes it was self explanatory, but afaik you haven't been disliked of any work.

That's as far as you know then… The difference is that I don't whine about it. Plenty of people dislike my (and others) work/opinions. (Come on, plenty of examples, do I really need to start reading random logs or threads?)

From: Wizzup?
What you said was hypothetical, and I gave a hypothetical answer proving you wrong.



That's as far as you know then… The difference is that I don't whine about it. Plenty of people dislike my (and others) work/opinions. (Come on, plenty of examples, do I really need to start reading random logs or threads?)

This is not getting anywhere, fine, rape Freddy by the arse, he doesn't diserve it, he's been a really nice person here IMO and all you do is complain about him.

From: Dr D. Dervish
This is not getting anywhere, fine, rape Freddy by the arse, he doesn't diserve it, he's been a really nice person here IMO and all you do is complain about him.

As stated before, saying that SCAR doesn't work properly whereas Simba does is not the same as insulting Freddy. That's just how you feel about it. No one is heavily discrediting Freddy and if they do they are corrected by the community, so stop making these utterly useless posts. (No, just don't reply…)

how much does Simba do that SCAR doesnt?

and why don't you use 2.03 if you prefer kaitnieks' to Freddy's versions of SCAR?

From: Dan Cardin
how much does Simba do that SCAR doesnt?

and why don't you use 2.03 if you prefer kaitnieks' to Freddy's versions of SCAR?

Actually, it does quite some things that SCAR doesn't. (No, I'm not going to list them for you)
And yes, I have used SCAR 2.03 from time to time still, just like Freddy's versions)

From: Dan Cardin
how much does Simba do that SCAR doesnt?

and why don't you use 2.03 if you prefer kaitnieks' to Freddy's versions of SCAR?

Where did you read Wizzup prefers 2.03?

Look, no one here is trying to put down Freddy. It's just that this thread started with a frustrated person who's been getting errors with SCAR. The only useful comment that he got was "SCAR Luna is on its way". Because the pre-release version is outdated, he might as well try Simba in the meantime?

Some people have good experiences with SCAR. Some people have good experiences with Simba. Some people have good experiences with both. Which program is better may be something personal or probably depends on how and for what you use it.

Simba does in fact have things that SCAR does not, but currently this also goes the other way around.

This is not a Simba vs. SCAR thread and let's keep it that way.

From: Wizzup?
Actually, it does quite some things that SCAR doesn't.

I figured

From: Wizzup?
And yes, I have used SCAR 2.03 from time to time still, just like Freddy's versions)

I very much misstated my question. Why did SRL not simply use/support 2.03 if it could still work with rs? (EDIT: hopefully this pertains the subject as nielsie state it since 2.03 working with SRL would fix zyt3x's problems)

From: Dan Cardin
I very much misstated my question. Why did SRL not simply use/support 2.03 if it could still work with rs? (EDIT: hopefully this pertains the subject as nielsie state it since 2.03 working with SRL would fix zyt3x's problems)

Because SCAR 3.15b still worked quite *OK*. It is after that version that (afaik) SCAR became much more buggy. So right at the start, it was mainly positive stuff. Tabs were added, &c. But if you look at actual functionality for scripts there isn't that much, except for the performance improvements. So ever since 3.15b it has mainly been ``hoping'' that SCAR would be fixed. Then Simba came.

From: Wizzup?
Then Simba came.

He's naughty isn't he, the lil wanker!

From: Dr D. Dervish

I like SIMBA, its nice, smooth and stuff, nice functionalities, however it doesn't seem scriptable yet..

There are multiple scripts out that are Simba only and it is scriptable. I for one have written a number of scripts and released one that's exclusively for Simba.

SCAR Luna does look promising and I'm sure that it will allow SCAR to run much smoother when it's released, however I enjoy Simba and have had little to complain about with it so I'll stick there I think.

simba is completely scriptable…

Hate the sin not the sinner..

In other words, hate SCAR not freddy.

Two things and I will try to keep this short. I will not quote specific people for this. We know who they are and so do they.

What I write may/not be my opinion I am not subjecting you to them. However, please stop b!tching, it is unsightly. Now…

SCAR:
-not MADE by freddy, although freddy did do an acceptable and very much appreciated job keeping it up as a one man show for a while (not open source… I believe that was his choice/fault).
-it is incorrect that SRL would not be here without freddy, it is correct that 2.03 was/is usable.
-we were told that SCAR work would be dwindling, freddy did say that Luna would take priority. Yes, this did leave SRL SOL for anything fixes related to SCAR.
-I with more compelte dedication from freddy, I am looking forward to Luna.
-even as this is true, as a community we could not just sit here and wither as we waited for Luna to (hopefully) shine.
-freddy, thank you for the work you have done with SCAR



SIMBA:
-in response to relational developments with SCAR development and the need for the community to not whither (different than wither), a fantastic & open source counterpart was born.
*yes, at this point, I did hear the circle of life music in my head:

Nants ingonyama bagithi baba (There comes a lion)
Sithi uhhmm ingonyama (Oh yes, it's a lion)

Nants ingonyama bagithi baba
Sithi uhhmm ingonyama
Ingonyama

Siyo Nqoba (We're going to conquer)
Ingonyama
Ingonyama nengw' enamabala (Here is a lion and a tiger)

& et cetera…

-the point is, things change don't get pissed because SRL is not aligning to be centered on SCAR
-NO simba is not YET as capable as SCAR but seriously ?!? how long has it been alive/available?
-SIMBA enforces the community learning/helping ideals, and that is what the real SRL community is about.
-developers/testers, thank you for the work you have done with SIMBA

Whoa, first passage on the forums in a while, has it all turned into a warzone? (Of course, BBQ Pit etc. but what happened to not throwing blames and prove-me-wrongs around?)

From: Cigue
Whoa, first passage on the forums in a while, has it all turned into a warzone? (Of course, BBQ Pit etc. but what happened to not throwing blames and prove-me-wrongs around?)

Don't think it's turned that bad. Just people get frustrated with errors and they have started popping up more on scar, although personally I never had a big problem. I've had Scar crash and the alike, while Simba has not hd any problems with me.

2.13 for life.

Respect for freddy for doing so much for the community though.

^ 2.13 or 2.03?

2.03 wow that was a failure of a post.

Oh, hey Cheesehunk :)
Long time no see.. I guess you don't know me but that doesn't matter…

@Cigue:
aran armath is right. I was just mad at scar failing when it shouldn't :p

@anynomity:
"-NO simba is not YET as capable as SCAR but seriously ?!? how long has it been alive/available?"
I don't agree on that point.. I have to do some hardcore coding to get my functions (from my simba script) to work on scar

From: Zyt3x
@anynomity:
"-NO simba is not YET as capable as SCAR but seriously ?!? how long has it been alive/available?"
I don't agree on that point.. I have to do some hardcore coding to get my functions (from my simba script) to work on scar

That point goes both ways, I have to make changes to my scar scripts for simba….

I feel that my original statement gave justice (it was a total compliment), and it was true, for how long simba has been out, it is fascinating/amazing/great how much it is able to do. As this is true, NO it does not have all the functionality and tools that scar does. That is a fact, how one wants to look at it is up to them though ;). That also being true, simba is able to do things that scar was not able to do, it is also more user friendly while coding. That again is a fact. So, yes and no, they have there differences, they are both better, and they are both worse. :)

I agree with you, the point goes both ways.. but what can Scar do that Simba can't?

Haha, you know, I could 11 days ago when I made my original point, it would have been easier for me to explain. But as I am not coding right now and am away from a computer that is capable, it will be harder.
Simba is a growing phenom and daily is better and better. Originally, there was no bitmap to string, vice versa, and so on. But that list is very much dwindling. I am truly excited to see the accomplishments and phenomenal growth.

Simba < SCAR.

It's called progress guys. People hate on the past and bum the future.

Look at politics, Guy A gets in and everyone loves him, then Guy B comes along and everyone loves him and tells A how much of a useless tool he was.

Guy A is SCAR, Guy B, SIMBA. It's how humans work.

From: Zyt3x
… but what can Scar do that Simba can't?

Make dtms?

From: MylesMadness
Make dtms?

afaik, the DTM editor is almost done

From: Zyt3x
afaik, the DTM editor is almost done

Oh I know that, I was just playing devil's advocate

From: MylesMadness
Oh I know that, I was just playing devil's advocate

It was my first instinct too. Biggest letdown of simba at the moment.

From: 3Garrett3
It was my first instinct too. Biggest letdown of simba at the moment.

I think its actually done..

From: Nava2
I think its actually done..

I haven't updated for a couple days, it very well may be.

E: Now that I think about it, it's kinda sucky that you have to update every day to get the newest stuff. It's not a big deal, but inconvenient.

From: 3Garrett3
I haven't updated for a couple days, it very well may be.

E: Now that I think about it, it's kinda sucky that you have to update every day to get the newest stuff. It's not a big deal, but inconvenient.

How is that inconvenient? I would surely prefer it to reinstalling.

From: 3Garrett3
I haven't updated for a couple days, it very well may be.

E: Now that I think about it, it's kinda sucky that you have to update every day to get the newest stuff. It's not a big deal, but inconvenient.

I haven't updated in a week :)
EDIT: And it's surely better than having to reinstall it, like we do with scar

+1 Wizzup? - it is much better that having to reinstall. I find it super convenient!

From: Wizzup?
How is that inconvenient? I would surely prefer it to reinstalling.

It's inconvenient in that updating could occur every day. I don't know if you're as lazy as I am or not, but I dislike having to fix things every single day. If you remember SCAR when 2.03 was out and it was stable for like a year or something, you'll understand the difference between what is convenient or not.

From: 3Garrett3
It's inconvenient in that updating could occur every day. I don't know if you're as lazy as I am or not, but I dislike having to fix things every single day. If you remember SCAR when 2.03 was out and it was stable for like a year or something, you'll understand the difference between what is convenient or not.

once simba is more or less finished (or closer to) then there will be less and less updates, although there is always something to improve in anything ;). Besides all of the updates are currently stable, meaning you don't need to update if you don't feel like it. SCAR 2.03 never released anything new for a year, there's a difference ;)

3.23 has some random errors that usually happen due to open / closing / running / stopping a bunch on times on my PC. But hey, its beta. :)… I still use 3.21, I find it more stable than the current version.

Luna works fine, except for some weird include problems that i've had (Copy working scar code into Luna… Luna finds includes, but says there's error in include.. include copy pasted.. scar works).

Simba i'll try later =D.

From: Blumblebee
once simba is more or less finished (or closer to) then there will be less and less updates, although there is always something to improve in anything ;). Besides all of the updates are currently stable, meaning you don't need to update if you don't feel like it. SCAR 2.03 never released anything new for a year, there's a difference ;)

Yes, I don't disagree with you. But there are two sides to an argument, and I like trying to keep both sides going.

The basic summation of this thread could be:

Nothing is perfect, get over it.

Progress. I'm sure if Kaitnieks decided to quit after SCAR 1.00 we may not even be here today. I haven't really taken an in-depth look at SIMBA as I just started visiting again recently, but it seems to have nearly matched the functions of SCAR. I haven't seen many benchmarks yet, but I trust the crew behind it.

I think it will be better than SCAR. Not because SCAR is junk, but because SCAR is an amazing program and any program inspired by it with an excellent active developing team and an open-source base is almost guaranteed to succeed.



Hello everybody. :)

From: Cheesehunk
Progress. I'm sure if Kaitnieks decided to quit after SCAR 1.00 we may not even be here today. I haven't really taken an in-depth look at SIMBA as I just started visiting again recently, but it seems to have nearly matched the functions of SCAR. I haven't seen many benchmarks yet, but I trust the crew behind it.

I think it will be better than SCAR. Not because SCAR is junk, but because SCAR is an amazing program and any program inspired by it with an excellent active developing team and an open-source base is almost guaranteed to succeed.



Hello everybody. :)

dude no wai. :norris: