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Hey guys I just wanna make a semi-good semi-cheap gaming computer that is ready for future upgrades. I know that I can make this a lot better by spending more money but anywho I would just like you guys to take a look at what I have and make sure that it all goes together ;) Thanks.

Optical Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136167

Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106

HD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131398

Video Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131163

Power supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159081

Ram x 2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134751

Processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103818

Also about OS's I was thinking about buying Windows 7. Can I just stick the CD in the OD when its all setup and install win7 and then it'll be good to go? Or am I missing sometime?

All help appreciated… Thanks guys

I'd use Ubuntu for the OS, but if you want, Win7 is quite nice, in my opinion. It's much sleeker and faster than Vista/XP. I use Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, and I've never had troubles. I don't see why you have to buy Win7, though.. ;)

the heatsinks on the northbridge and stuff are cool looking on the mobo.
Looks like you got a pretty solid system there, of course I'm not hip with lingo and modern specs anymore. I'm sure someone will come in and say "blah blah AMD, blah blah Intel is better"

Make sure you do the rebates right after you thoroughly test everything.

edit: you might be able to save some money if you can find a mobo without integrated video.

From: i luffs yeww
I'd use Ubuntu for the OS, but if you want, Win7 is quite nice, in my opinion. It's much sleeker and faster than Vista/XP. I use Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, and I've never had troubles. I don't see why you have to buy Win7, though.. ;)

Haha alright thanks I'll look into that :P

From: Brain
the heatsinks on the northbridge and stuff are cool looking on the mobo.
Looks like you got a pretty solid system there, of course I'm not hip with lingo and modern specs anymore. I'm sure someone will come in and say "blah blah AMD, blah blah Intel is better"

Make sure you do the rebates right after you thoroughly test everything.

edit: you might be able to save some money if you can find a mobo without integrated video.

Whats a mobo? lol And my friend was actually talking about AMD and Intel and he thinks AMD is the way to go but we'll see :)

Motherboard, I assume.

AMD is cheaper, but way crappyer

Wait the motherboard I choose has an integrated video card?

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

AMD 785G is a video card, I think?

Onboard Video
Onboard Video Chipset ATI Radeon HD 4200 GPU
SidePort Memory - onboard 128MB DDR3 1333 memory

Dunno if that helps.

Oh if I do get that motherboard I can still use my other video card right. And is there any advantage to having two video cards?

if your mobo (google it…motherboard) has video out, it has integrated video… (right?)

But you won't even be using it, I'm sure you won't notice it on performance (might sap some mobo current), but it might be cheaper to find one without it. maybe.

E: there is no advantage to having an integrated and a dedicated one (that I know of), but there are some advantages to have 2 dedicated vid cards.

Ohhh I see. And this might seem REALLY dumb but is there anyway to boot a computer without an OS and access the internet in order for me to get an OS? Or how would that work?

nope, need OS to do anything cept change BIOS.
You could DL a linux live CD on the computer you're on and burn and be pretty set

Is linux win and free?

Linux is win and free. I'd get Ubuntu 10.04. :)

Is Unbuntu win and free? hahahaha

E: What is better?

:/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)

64bit windows is inferior to 32bit, do some research on this topic, 64bit is not as good as 32bit in the eyes of many people.

and btw, Intel's new I5 and I7 processors are superior to most other processors out there, I would highly recommend this over the AMD, I5 will definitely be enough for your need but if you can afford it, buy the I7. (#Ghz does NOT matter as much as people think. In fact, most of the speed and power of a processor comes from how it is built and what technology is being used to make it. # Does not mean ANYTHING!!! I cannot stress this enough).

Sources: My Dad is an Advanced Computer Engineer.

From: MylesMadness
AMD is cheaper, but way crappyer

AMD has a VIABLE UPGRADE PATH.

I turned into an AMD fanboy when I got screwed with a high end C2D mobo that won't run any quad core procs.

EDIT: Better price on that RAM: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=KVR1066D3N7-2G&AID=10439518&CJPID=3640578&cm_mmc=CJ-_-2617611-_-3640578-_-Geeks.com_Gifts

you're dad is old, everything is shifting to 64 bit now…hell, while we're at it lets head back to betamax and 8 bit!
Manufacturers are making 64 bit drivers much more available (I noticed the prob when I hit Vistax64, never on Win 7 x64)

it is hard to find an up-to-date article on the subject (very time sensitive), I'll look a little more later when you come back to tell me more stuff your dad told you :)

Getting a Radeon 5770 or 5750 will help with playing games like GTA 4 or Crysis.


Thats mine.


SRSLY!

I built my gaming rig with only 550 bucks and it included a 580W psu and that 5750. (Including 4gb ddr3 ram).\

It runs nearly most games at 80 fps.

From: MylesMadness
AMD is cheaper, but way crappyer

Don't say anything if you don't know what your talking about; case and point = http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/120?vs=94

In regards to the OP, I'd change that crappy PSU for a OCZ or Seasonic PSU and change your CPU from a 550 to a 555 BE. I assume you are going to try and unlock the cores?

GPU-wise is up for debate. A 5750 will give you more performance but the 4850 is cheaper. Both are good cards though of course.

also, the peice of the comp u want to spend the most on is the motherboard. everything new that comes out will be for the newest motherboards. if ur board isnt new, then ur stuck as an old timer and u will need to replace your whole motherboard and then the amazing graphics card u wanted or that sexy whatever it is that that you wanted

From: g0tp0t
also, the peice of the comp u want to spend the most on is the motherboard. everything new that comes out will be for the newest motherboards. if ur board isnt new, then ur stuck as an old timer and u will need to replace your whole motherboard and then the amazing graphics card u wanted or that sexy whatever it is that that you wanted

No, there is very little reason why you would want to spend more then 90-110$ on a mobo for a mainstream computer. As of right now the mobo's that have USB3 and SATA3 will set you back 130$+. You will never use the bandwidth of SATA2 unless you have two mainstream SSD's raided together, or one enthusiast SSD which both would cost more than the mobo.

Nothing uses USB3 yet (afaik). Only time when spending a lot on a mobo should be a consideration is when you are going to run a multiple GPU setup, in which case you bleed money and it doesn't matter.

Honestly man, why not spend the extra 100USD and go for a processor that will last you a A LOT longer.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2%2050001028%2040000343%201050757138&name=Phenom%20II%20X6

the 2.8GHz Phenom II x6 is 205USD. I can imagine you being a lot more happy with that.

From: Capricorn
You will never use the bandwidth of SATA2 unless you have two mainstream SSD's raided together, or one enthusiast SSD which both would cost more than the mobo.

Nothing uses USB3 yet (wrong). Only time when spending a lot on a mobo should be a consideration is when you are going to run a multiple GPU setup, in which case you bleed money and it doesn't matter.

Look down the road by a year?

From: Brain
you're dad is old, everything is shifting to 64 bit now…hell, while we're at it lets head back to betamax and 8 bit!
Manufacturers are making 64 bit drivers much more available (I noticed the prob when I hit Vistax64, never on Win 7 x64)

it is hard to find an up-to-date article on the subject (very time sensitive), I'll look a little more later when you come back to tell me more stuff your dad told you :)

Actually, that really isn't correct. 32 bit apps on a 64 bit os will run slower because of the emulation the OS must perform to run them. There are additional reason why 32 bit runs faster, but this is generally the biggest issue. In actual use though, the difference isn't big enough to outweigh the benefits of having more RAM.

From: noidea
Honestly man, why not spend the extra 100USD and go for a processor that will last you a A LOT longer.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2%2050001028%2040000343%201050757138&name=Phenom%20II%20X6

the 2.8GHz Phenom II x6 is 205USD. I can imagine you being a lot more happy with that.

Because it's slower and every application but those that are heavily multithreaded (video transcoding, 3d rendering) will see a speed decrease. (then again, check the benchmarks, 'turbo boost' may make up the difference..)

Use Tiny7 Bad thing is that it doesn't have 64Bit support yet :)

~Home

My cpu:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MAPS3K/ref=oss_product

My mofo board:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LFYYAY/ref=oss_product

I recommend getting this case for sure:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

From: Smartzkid
Look down the road by a year?

I have, and not much justifies the upgrade to USB3. If the OP has a external harddrive alright I guess we could justify the upgrade, but otherwise not much will benefit from the speed boost.

From: Capricorn
Don't say anything if you don't know what your talking about; case and point = http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/120?vs=94

In regards to the OP, I'd change that crappy PSU for a OCZ or Seasonic PSU and change your CPU from a 550 to a 555 BE. I assume you are going to try and unlock the cores?

GPU-wise is up for debate. A 5750 will give you more performance but the 4850 is cheaper. Both are good cards though of course.

There different clock speeds…

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/120?vs=55

From: Brain
if your mobo (google it…motherboard) has video out, it has integrated video… (right?)

But you won't even be using it, I'm sure you won't notice it on performance (might sap some mobo current), but it might be cheaper to find one without it. maybe.

E: there is no advantage to having an integrated and a dedicated one (that I know of), but there are some advantages to have 2 dedicated vid cards.

besides the fact that 99% of the time a dedicated card peforms much better

From: MylesMadness
There different clock speeds…

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/120?vs=55

Good job, your comparing a 200$ CPU to a 90-100$ CPU. Clock speed means nothing when comparing different architecture.

From: Capricorn
No, there is very little reason why you would want to spend more then 90-110$ on a mobo for a mainstream computer. As of right now the mobo's that have USB3 and SATA3 will set you back 130$+. You will never use the bandwidth of SATA2 unless you have two mainstream SSD's raided together, or one enthusiast SSD which both would cost more than the mobo.

Nothing uses USB3 yet (afaik). Only time when spending a lot on a mobo should be a consideration is when you are going to run a multiple GPU setup, in which case you bleed money and it doesn't matter.

i didnt mean u need to spend a crap ton on the mobo. its just the most limiting peice of computer. everything depends on it, so if ur planing on upgrading, you should think about what the mother board can handle. otherwise you will be stuck buying another everything

From: Capricorn
Good job, your comparing a 200$ CPU to a 90-100$ CPU. Clock speed means nothing when comparing different architecture.

I said cheap but crappy… When you take the same dual core 3.2, intel smashes it.

From: MylesMadness
I said cheap but crappy… When you take the same dual core 3.2, intel smashes it.

intel may smash it…but they also get smashed in the price department…
I wouldnt say AMD is crappy. Their target market is for low-mid budget people that want a decent CPU.

From: g0tp0t
also, the peice of the comp u want to spend the most on is the motherboard. everything new that comes out will be for the newest motherboards. if ur board isnt new, then ur stuck as an old timer and u will need to replace your whole motherboard and then the amazing graphics card u wanted or that sexy whatever it is that that you wanted

Actually, Do NOT spend a lot on your mother board. It is proven that this is the one component in a computer that breaks down most often, even the top of the line ones. Just get a cheap one that fits your needs.

BTW: I build a standard computer for 350 and my motherboard broke 3 times over 4 years, read about this on google. Do NOT spend a lot on motherboard.

CPU has the smallest fail rate, at least for intel… Buy the I7 or I5

From: g0tp0t
i didnt mean u need to spend a crap ton on the mobo. its just the most limiting peice of computer. everything depends on it, so if ur planing on upgrading, you should think about what the mother board can handle. otherwise you will be stuck buying another everything

Alright that is fair, but you won't be seeing much performance difference between different manufacturers. He can spend 40$ on a more expensive mobo, or spend that 40$ where it matters - on the CPU, the GPU or maybe even a SSD.

I said cheap but crappy… When you take the same dual core 3.2, intel smashes it.

Look, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, but AMD wins the performance crown for the 99$ market. End of. If the OP had 5,000$ to spend on a computer, he wouldn't be buying mainstream components.

From: shadohead

CPU has the smallest fail rate, at least for intel… Buy the I7 or I5

If you have 300 - 1000 USD to blow..

From: shadohead
Actually, Do NOT spend a lot on your mother board. It is proven that this is the one component in a computer that breaks down most often, even the top of the line ones. Just get a cheap one that fits your needs.

BTW: I build a standard computer for 350 and my motherboard broke 3 times over 4 years, read about this on google. Do NOT spend a lot on motherboard.

CPU has the smallest fail rate, at least for intel… Buy the I7 or I5

Maybe you just buy real shitty mobo's but I have a 7 year old mobo here. To be fair it will probably die very soon, maybe a capacitor will just die or something… But generally computer parts don't die in a year, and almost all manufacturers have 1 year warranty, some go up to 3 years and depending on the product and manufacturer, lifetime.

Sometimes you get a broken stick of RAM, a GPU that artifacts, etc etc when you first get them, but you can always return them to get a replacement.

From: Capricorn
Look, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, but AMD wins the performance crown for the 99$ market. End of. If the OP had 5,000$ to spend on a computer, he wouldn't be buying mainstream components.

I said they are cheaper then intel, but not as good as intel. Its plain English…

From: shadohead
Actually, Do NOT spend a lot on your mother board. It is proven that this is the one component in a computer that breaks down most often, even the top of the line ones. Just get a cheap one that fits your needs.

BTW: I build a standard computer for 350 and my motherboard broke 3 times over 4 years, read about this on google. Do NOT spend a lot on motherboard.

CPU has the smallest fail rate, at least for intel… Buy the I7 or I5

Word.

My mother board costed only 60 bucks and it has alot of features including Cross fire, ddr3, 6 sata slots.

Edit: Amd athlon x4 2.9ghz is almost as good as the intel i5 and its 100 dollars cheaper.