SRL Archive - NOTA

Tis the day it has come,

Quote from RSbot twitter.

RSBot is currently down because of jagex.

They were trying to maintain the bot while keeping the website (Also, they were hitting records within the last week, 2 days ago they had the most online they had ever had with like 1.2k people on at once)

Will keep utd.

Wow… Good thing we're going private

I was just about to post this :p

Twitter at http://twitter.com/rsbotorg/

If they stay down this time…Might be time to consider closing earlier than 2 weeks (10 days or so now?), since there would likely be a huge influx of users and therefore more attention from Jagex.

EDIT: Then again, there's still many other Java bots leechers would likely go to first, nevermind.

Hell YEAH! This is great news, prices of things should start going up up up now, and less crowded too!

From: YoHoJo
Hell YEAH! This is great news, prices of things should start going up up up now, and less crowded too!

The bot still works, so you'll have to wait 4-5 days ;)

EDIT: Or it won't mean much, since the googlecode svn didn't get taken down. Maybe this will just keep new botters from coming.

Rsbot svn is still up. So, people can still bot/update.

From: YoHoJo
Hell YEAH! This is great news, prices of things should start going up up up now, and less crowded too!

This is great news for us SRL people but bad news for the legit players :garfield:

Anyone reckon it'd be wise to invest in some generally autoed goods right now? Might be worth a wait to see how this unfolds…

EDIT: Rumor is that RSBot.org isn't going to come back for at least 6 months, if ever. I don't know if there's any truth to that; just what a few staff members on their IRC have been saying.

Hm if Jagex is the reason they're gone, they will probably be gone for good.

Thats sad, they had a really nice bot :]. Anyways.. maybe its just the domain thats shutdown, and they just return with a new name.

~caused

L0l bye rsbot :D

From: Tad
Anyone reckon it'd be wise to invest in some generally autoed goods right now? Might be worth a wait to see how this unfolds…

Less so because of RSbot and more so because of the upcoming exp weekend. That is, if you believe the merchants haven't already driven up the prices too far.

someone said rsbot got fined, is that true

From: wayne1210
someone said rsbot got fined, is that true

That was a couple weeks ago.

They were requested to sign an agreement which would result in a $1,500 fine, with $75,000 for each subsequent violation of said agreement. I don't know if they ever complied with that.

we are going private?

From: Main_Ftw
we are going private?

You haven't been on in a while have you? lol

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55276

this also means there will be less of a variety of bots/scripts therefore targeting scar users would be easier for jagex, to a certain degree. So, extra human like scripts are a must now.

From: caustic
this also means there will be less of a variety of bots/scripts therefore targeting scar users would be easier for jagex, to a certain degree. So, extra human like scripts are a must now.

SRL has always been about extra human scripts, nothing to change there.
And not sure if they will be after us more, we are DEFINITELY not as widely used and we DO NOT charge ANY money from anyone to use our stuff. :]

But going private is a good idea.

Omfg yesssssssssss!!!!!!!!! Prices will finnaly rebound!

From: kingarabian
Omfg yesssssssssss!!!!!!!!! Prices will finnaly rebound!

The bot is still working. The forums were just taken down.

From: YoHoJo
SRL has always been about extra human scripts, nothing to change there.

I just mean, that in my opinion, we should increase the percent error of our scripts. We concentrate on humanlike movement and such, however, we forget percent error, which i believe we should start increasing such as misclicks, forgetting to take out items from bank and coming back for em, etc.

From: caustic
I just mean, that in my opinion, we should increase the percent error of our scripts. We concentrate on humanlike movement and such, however, we forget percent error, which i believe we should start increasing such as misclicks, forgetting to take out items from bank and coming back for em, etc.

Stuff like this has been suggested over and over, and the response is pretty much always "it is up to the individual scripter to take such measures, not SRL."

Meh, unnecessary as its inefficient. But a lot of scripts have many forms of antiban etc. And this is kind of off topic anyways? Jagex shut down RsBot because they were illegal, profiting, etc.

Why did all of this talk about better antiban start!? :p HeHeHe
There macro detection systems the same, and I believe SCAR/SCAR scripts are just fine! Only 1 ban here in YEEEARS

From: senrath
Stuff like this has been suggested over and over, and the response is pretty much always "it is up to the individual scripter to take such measures, not SRL."

Right, i was referring to individual scripters, which as a whole, are srl. Myself included.

From: YoHoJo
Meh, unnecessary as its inefficient. But a lot of scripts have many forms of antiban etc. And this is kind of off topic anyways? Jagex shut down RsBot because they were illegal, profiting, etc.

Why did all of this talk about better antiban start!? :p HeHeHe
There macro detection systems the same, and I believe SCAR/SCAR scripts are just fine! Only 1 ban here in YEEEARS

im just pointing out the possible consequences OF the topic. sry bout that.

=] Nothing to be sorry about silly guy, we're all just talkin' here.

From: YoHoJo
=] Nothing to be sorry about silly guy, we're all just talkin' here.

Lol yo you crack me up haha.


The next rs update = the death of the Bot itself amirite?

It's sad tho. Such a wonderful bot, abused so badly…

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

From: ruler
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

I thought they came for you because you were a capitalist ? :p…Ahh, Oh Well, you're still Welcome Here :)

From: RAM
I thought they came for you because you were a capitalist ? :p…Ahh, Oh Well, you're still Welcome Here :)

hahahaha

I lol'd, Google is hosting RSBot.org right now….

Ping it, it goes to 74.125.113.121 ;; http://whois.domaintools.com/74.125.113.121

I think this is not for long. When bot will be fixed,forums will be opened

Harry, when there host took them down, I guess it would be "Parked" an google ads run everything so the host gets income for the site.

2 bad rsbot is dead :(

well, scar is better, cuz it has not such client like rsbot;)

For the record… RSBot is 100 times better than SRL. Sucks for macroing.

SRL < 9000 < RSBot

RSBot has the entire power of object-oriented java, plus completely reflection… '
Honesty one line of code to walk from lumbridge to falador… perfectly…

not hours and hours of making dtms.. and and bitmaps… and and :'(

From: Metagen
For the record… RSBot is 100 times better than SRL. Sucks for macroing.

SRL < 9000 < RSBot

RSBot has the entire power of object-oriented java, plus completely reflection… '
Honesty one line of code to walk from lumbridge to falador… perfectly…

not hours and hours of making dtms.. and and bitmaps… and and :'(

We can have that too. Someone just have to make systems for it (mixster and I have been trying to.. Search for SPAMS and World Walker)

well i find it bad to that rsbot isnt no more cause in theire it was much easier to make a rock crabkiller theire. I see that reflection isnt 100% working here so I dont know if you can make on here but i will try. (btw. im b-warrior from btekkcrabs and rsbot so yea i know how hard it is to make a crabkiller without some reflection and mostly colours)

From: Zyt3x
We can have that too. Someone just have to make systems for it (mixster and I have been trying to.. Search for SPAMS and World Walker)

Don't kid yourself ;) Metagen is right, from strictly an autoing point of view. Only the best scripters with the greatest amounts of time can make some of the things that reflection/BCEL can do in color. Even then it would likely be inferior.

@dorkythedork: Reflection is completely broken, since no one has been able to fix the TileToMS function (I suppose you could use it to walk, but it's not really worth using it if you're only able to harness 10% of its power).

Guess what morons, those who populate RSBot generally have the IQ of a rock. Yeah, it takes 1 line of code to walk from lumbridge to varrock. Do you actually LEARN from doing that?

Are OOP concepts actually used in RSBot?

Why do you use those concepts when the game of runescape is actually formost linear in play. What is the point of using non-linear programming styles when the game play depicts otherwise?

Who fails now, hum?

By the way, 10$ says those who come from here go farther in life based on the fact that they learned more concepts than those at RSBot who learned for monetary reasons. We learn because we want to learn, and are facinated by it. We are in it for the *right* reasons.

So I think its great RSBot is down, it will show who is really key in this system of RS macroing.

:3 <3 Nava.

From: Nava2
Guess what morons, those who populate RSBot generally have the IQ of a rock. Yeah, it takes 1 line of code to walk from lumbridge to varrock. Do you actually LEARN from doing that?

By the way, 10$ says those who come from here go farther in life based on the fact that they learned more concepts than those at RSBot who learned for monetary reasons. We learn because we want to learn, and are facinated by it. We are in it for the *right* reasons.

Nobody said SRL sucks for not being able to do the things RSBot used to be able to. Everyone said that, in terms of autoing, RSBot was better. And finally, people who are going after Runescape bots likely do not have their future life in mind for whatever reasons (if you want to get a head start on your future when you're barely a teen, great; don't force everyone else to, not everyone is as smart and logical as you). I do respect your opinion that RSBot going down is good since it means only those who wish to enhance their intelligence by using more complex programming techniques will survive, but don't go calling us morons for giving an opinion coming from a different point of view.

^^ I'd love to start a flame war about society and stuff, but I shan't.

I'm glad RSBot got shut down. I still don't see why rscheata didn't, since Erik and Mark got a lawsuit.. :p Oh well.

From: Tad
Don't kid yourself ;) Metagen is right, from strictly an autoing point of view. Only the best scripters with the greatest amounts of time can make some of the things that reflection/BCEL can do in color. Even then it would likely be inferior.

@dorkythedork: Reflection is completely broken, since no one has been able to fix the TileToMS function (I suppose you could use it to walk, but it's not really worth using it if you're only able to harness 10% of its power).

From: Nava2
Guess what morons, those who populate RSBot generally have the IQ of a rock. Yeah, it takes 1 line of code to walk from lumbridge to varrock. Do you actually LEARN from doing that?

Are OOP concepts actually used in RSBot?

Why do you use those concepts when the game of runescape is actually formost linear in play. What is the point of using non-linear programming styles when the game play depicts otherwise?

Who fails now, hum?

By the way, 10$ says those who come from here go farther in life based on the fact that they learned more concepts than those at RSBot who learned for monetary reasons. We learn because we want to learn, and are facinated by it. We are in it for the *right* reasons.

So I think its great RSBot is down, it will show who is really key in this system of RS macroing.

From: Tad
-down-Nobody said SRL sucks for not being able to do the things RSBot used to be able to. Everyone said that, in terms of autoing, RSBot was better. And finally, people who are going after Runescape bots likely do not have their future life in mind for whatever reasons (if you want to get a head start on your future when you're barely a teen, great; don't force everyone else to, not everyone is as smart and logical as you). Stop flaming for no reason.

From: Metagen
For the record… RSBot is 100 times better than SRL. Sucks for macroing. -up-

SRL < 9000 < RSBot

RSBot has the entire power of object-oriented java, plus completely reflection… '
Honesty one line of code to walk from lumbridge to falador… perfectly…

not hours and hours of making dtms.. and and bitmaps… and and :'(

^

____________________

Anyways, I am really really tired of reading about how good rsbot is, if it's so great than it would still be here http://www.rsbot.org/ is a clear sign it was utterly pwned.

From: IceFire908
^

____________________

Anyways, I am really really tired of reading about how good rsbot is, if it's so great than it would still be here http://www.rsbot.org/ is a clear sign it was utterly pwned.

Up…down… I see Metagen saying 'SRL < RSBot; sucks for macroing' and me confirming that he said it :confused:

Guys, trying to get someone to see the light won't work, so shut up, or at least take it to the debate section. Anyone that is smart enough to see it already sees it, and anyone that doesn't see it won't be able to no matter how much you try. The best thing you can do is go make your respective projects better, and let the projects speak for themselves.

From: i luffs yeww
:3 <3 Nava.

Agreed!

From: Metagen
For the record… RSBot is 100 times better than SRL. Sucks for macroing.

SRL < 9000 < RSBot

RSBot has the entire power of object-oriented java, plus completely reflection… '
Honesty one line of code to walk from lumbridge to falador… perfectly…

not hours and hours of making dtms.. and and bitmaps… and and :'(

Scar is for learning purposes. Rsbot is NOT. Speljohan said it himself, that its a "leechers bot". People had more bans from Rsbot then Scar the past year.

ahh i hope there ain`t ogona be about 50 bots @ rimington yews lol

From: Bubix
ahh i hope there ain`t ogona be about 50 bots @ rimington yews lol

hopefully there wont. but chances are that a lot of post-RSBot leechers will come over here and leech. thus i wish we made ourselves private ASAP (like now if possible :) ). but that is just my suspicion.

now i dont fully understand why people are still saying "RSBot is amazing!" Sure, it was a good bot, that is why so many ppl used it; that is why so many ppl leeched it. But what good do those comments do? If you are still all obsessed with RSBot, please go down with the ship and leave.

Current members are here for mainly one of two things: furthering their scripting ability using SRL, or wanting to be a part of the community (or both). When you still continue to praise RSBot (and say SRL sucks), it sounds like you are not here for either of the previous desires. If this is the case, please leave, for you will prolly hate it here.

From: kingarabian
Scar is for learning purposes. Rsbot is NOT. Speljohan said it himself, that its a "leechers bot". People had more bans from Rsbot then Scar the past year.

Whell i dont think rsbot isnt for learning purposes i learned alot of java theire and it was great to make complicated scripts. But im not saying its better or something just saying it was easier to make bots in rsbot.

From: YoHoJo
Only 1 ban here in YEEEARS

lol I definitely don't find that to be true, very overdramatic :p

maybe not many but not one haha



[OFFTOPIC]

From: ruler
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out&#8212;because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out&#8212;because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out&#8212;because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me&#8212;and there was no one left to speak out for me.

really like that quote

[/OFFTOPIC]

and I wanted to try to see if I could make an RSBot script since lots of people here used to say they suck and I wanted to see for myself but I never got any scripts working so I never got to making my own :/ guess I'll probably never get to try to make an RSBot script now. oh well, I never really liked RSBot anyway, I just wanted to see how good/bad they were.

I think we should keep in mind that SRL could be taken down for the same reasons as RSBot was taken down (judging from the iBot lawsuit documents). The only reason they went first is because they were creating a bigger dent on RS. My point here being is that don't put RSBot down just because they were closed down; the same thing could just as easily happen here.

@x[Warrior]x3500 - Nobody said SRL sucks.

rsbot had a good sw script :)

From: Tad
I think we should keep in mind that SRL could be taken down for the same reasons as RSBot was taken down (judging from the iBot lawsuit documents). The only reason they went first is because they were creating a bigger dent on RS. My point here being is that don't put RSBot down just because they were closed down; the same thing could just as easily happen here.

Fat chance. I'll read the doc through more carefully later, but I can hardly see any legally valid reasons.

From: Wizzup?
Fat chance. I'll read the doc through more carefully later, but I can hardly see any legally valid reasons.

I thought that was why SRL was closing. The 'Hyping SRL' thread.

From: Tad
I thought that was why SRL was closing. The 'Hyping SRL' thread.

You thought wrong, in that case. :)
If we really were afraid for this we wouldn't just close registration, we would close the forum. Apart from that, closing can only be seen as proof that we do violate the law, which we don't.
There are some reasons for closing registration I guess, but we are not closing because we are afraid to get sued. We're just going to change stuff under the hood. Forum restructures, big changes to SRL, the upcoming Simba project, etc. It is much easier to do with no newcomers all asking the same questions about the restructure until we're actually done with it.

From: Tad
I think we should keep in mind that SRL could be taken down for the same reasons as RSBot was taken down (judging from the iBot lawsuit documents).

No, no we wont be taken down. Remember, we are switching our views from rs to programming in general.

edit: ffs I hadn't refreshed the thread in like 4 hours >.< sorry.

From: Wizzup?
You thought wrong, in that case. :)
If we really were afraid for this we wouldn't just close registration, we would close the forum. Apart from that, closing can only be seen as proof that we do violate the law, which we don't.
There are some reasons for closing registration I guess, but we are not closing because we are afraid to get sued. We're just going to change stuff under the hood. Forum restructures, big changes to SRL, the upcoming Simba project, etc. It is much easier to do with no newcomers all asking the same questions about the restructure until we're actually done with it.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?

From: noidea
No, no we wont be taken down. Remember, we are switching our views from rs to programming in general.

edit: ffs I hadn't refreshed the thread in like 4 hours >.< sorry.

Since when/says who :surprised:

From: Wizzup?
Fat chance. I'll read the doc through more carefully later, but I can hardly see any legally valid reasons.

You mean like the skill images used in the junior member script forums??

From: Tad
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?

I think BCEL is client hacking, and must be some sort of copyright issue. Or maybe they can be sued for "loss of revenue" like Glider, if I remember correctly.

From: Tad
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?

I'm not sure if the fact that SRL is free to use factors in there…..:rolleyes:

e. and perhaps because we don't actually take a swipe at the Java code…(IE,"Infringement")

@Infantry…http://websense.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51926

I'm guessing that the fact their scripts and such are being sold, at least some, can become an issue. I don't know much about the laws regarding this issue, but I heard that the reason goldsellers in WoW couldn't be sued was because they were just 'selling' their own time spent on the game, and not actual game-related software/items. How true this is, I do not know.

From: Tad
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?

SRL isn't profit oriented. We don't allow script sales, we don't allow pixel sales, we don't allow anything money related.
No client hacking involved.
We don't deobfuscate or crack their code.
We don't use our knowledge of their code to our advantage. (SMART is not part of SRL, only an extension)

Seems like a huge difference to me.

With all do respect Jagex knows about this community or actually 'Scar' a bit too well. Since three years ago, before I used Scar- And didn't know it was so great and… yata yata - I met one of the Jagex Mod, I still have the screenshot - And asked him about Runescape doing things about scar. He said they know about it and are working on it. If they didn't close any forum - it just means it's perfectly legal. They can only close ilegal sites which disobey the law, their rules can be disobeyed in sites. Look at cheat engine for example…

From: Wizzup?
We don't allow pixel sales, we don't allow anything money related.

Black market?

Anyhow, it seems to me that Jagex are more motivated to cut cheating communities down that use client hacking. I guess they're not too concerned with pixel clicking.

From: Naum
Black market?

Private invitation hosted on a Private Server ?

From: Wizzup?
SRL isn't profit oriented.

Nor was RSBot (unless you count their profit from advertising).

We don't allow script sales, we don't allow pixel sales, we don't allow anything money related.

True, but it doesn't seem that significant in the grand scheme of things; the owners weren't profiting off of that.

No client hacking involved.
We don't deobfuscate or crack their code.
We don't use our knowledge of their code to our advantage. (SMART is not part of SRL, only an extension)

Normally I would bring up reflection, but I suppose all of this is one of the reasons you never officially supported it.

Even so, I don't see a major difference in the final result of RSBot vs. SRL; automating tasks in RS. And, if I recall correctly (can't find the document now), in the iBot lawsuit, they were primarily focusing on the detrimental effects autoing (in general) causes to RS. Do they not have the grounds by which to go after any autoing community, no matter their methods?

By the way, I'm not looking for an argument in case anyone feels that way, I'm looking for answers to this part of all these events that I don't understand.

I invested 1M gp in coal yesterday because of this. Lets see what happens =)

From: Tad
Nor was RSBot (unless you count their profit from advertising).

I think, Speljohan alone made about 4k from the first two months? Don't forget about the VIP sections.

From: Tad

True, but it doesn't seem that significant in the grand scheme of things; the owners weren't profiting off of that.

VIP sections, they do.

From: Tad

Even so, I don't see a major difference in the final result of RSBot vs. SRL; automating tasks in RS. And, if I recall correctly (can't find the document now), in the iBot lawsuit, they were primarily focusing on the detrimental effects autoing (in general) causes to RS. Do they not have the grounds by which to go after any autoing community, no matter their methods?

I don't think they have any ground to stand on, no. Like I said, I didn't fully read it, but going by the law in my country I can't really think of anything serious issues.

If their only argument is that we ``cause them to lose money''… Linux causes Microsoft to lose money, but I don't see them file a lawsuit to the kernel.org developers anytime soon? :)

From: sylvawarrior
I invested 1M gp in coal yesterday because of this. Lets see what happens =)

http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/Coal/viewitem.ws?obj=453

:/ Sorry.

But in other news..

http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/Iron_ore/viewitem.ws?obj=440

:o

Hi, what a great few arguements have been thrown around. I respect the amount of decency the staff here have, as others have strictly thought of this as a good way to go
"We rock".

The site has gone down because its a Civil Case, not a Criminal Case.
It was announced that yes discussion of the bot can be upheld, but Jagex have pulled some very cheap tactics in this case.
They also brought up the fact that Qauters has profited from the VIP's on the site which was used against him.

The court had told him to shut down the site while the case is being solved, if he were to NOT uphold it he'd be paying in access of 1000 usd every day.

While others have mentioned that this site has got a Market section,it is not as bad as Sythe, who are known as the Market leaders as of late.

Once again, i won't be choosing sides, but im quiet certain the few people that might recognise my name would know i was a Staff member on the site.

From: i luffs yeww
http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/Coal/viewitem.ws?obj=453

:/ Sorry.

But in other news..

http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/Iron_ore/viewitem.ws?obj=440

:o

Well, now that rsbot is down (or soon will be) the prices of coal WILL GO UP SOON. No botters = less coal/less coal being sold at low prices = only legits selling coal at regular mid + prices. Seems to me like an IDEAL time to buy coals!

In other news:
Made 1.15M off of iron!

From: kingarabian
Scar is for learning purposes. Rsbot is NOT. Speljohan said it himself, that its a "leechers bot". People had more bans from Rsbot then Scar the past year.

I really don't see how that is applicable at all… I bet you less then 200 people actually botted with scar within the past year :/ Even if we have activity here, some of it is people just checking out the community, and another half just can't get it setup to work, so they just leave. So the ratio of using a bot to ban can not be compared to the two at all, as rsbot is used on a much grander scale.

Also, on terms of botting, my all around cooker I made for scar worked flawless for days, I implemented tpa's and such, but I post it for people, and it fails. I make the same cooker for rsbot, anyone can use, and runs for much longer.

Also, you guys are comparing rsbot to srl in different terms, rsbot was made strictly for runescape, not for general programming, you can't say rsbot was causing dumb people to not go further in life, the purpose of rsbot is not to be successful or to really improve programming language. (It has helped my knowledge of Java increasingly, as I look for deeper Java methods to make my scripts good.) The purpose of Rsbot is to auto at runescape. Period.

Lastly, the reason that srl can't be taken down on measures is pretty much because rsbot + nexus, you download a modified client, we do not.

Edit: That was my longest discussion post ever in this forums lol.

Stop the damn arguing and complaining. None of it means anything, or is getting anywhere. Let people think whatever they want, why does it matter to you? This useless argument has already been taken care of in this thread:
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54793

NO MORE POSTS ABOUT COLOR/SCAR/SIMBA Vs RSBOT

I never argue, so I just wanted to get in the action for once :( lol, but I agree, this thread is about rsbot.org being taken down lol.

From: Wizzup?
I think, Speljohan alone made about 4k from the first two months? Don't forget about the VIP sections.



VIP sections, they do.




I don't think they have any ground to stand on, no. Like I said, I didn't fully read it, but going by the law in my country I can't really think of anything serious issues.

If their only argument is that we ``cause them to lose money''… Linux causes Microsoft to lose money, but I don't see them file a lawsuit to the kernel.org developers anytime soon? :)

Ah, I completely forgot about the VIP section, good point.

As for losing money, IMO Linux and Microsoft are different because they're completely independent of each other. I still see your point though; that seems like a minor detail in comparison to the other things RSBot and iBot were guilty of, not to mention it would be hard to prove. Thanks for explaining :)

So, I don't remember posting my big flame. Sorry..

I mean, I agree with what I said, but still.. sorry.

Wait. Srl is an Include for Scar. So they should be trying to take down Scar 1st before Srl?

Admins have remade rsbot on www.avalane.org. Sadly it barely has anything on it. To be honest i'm glad RSbot closed. I used it for awhile but it's filled with leechers.

From: Imcredible
Admins have remade rsbot on www.avalane.org. Sadly it barely has anything on it. To be honest i'm glad RSbot closed. I used it for awhile but it's filled with leechers.

I believe Jagex will follow them. I think this happened around kaitnieks era. I hope they stay closed until they fix there community.

From: kingarabian
I believe Jagex will follow them. I think this happened around kaitnieks era. I hope they stay closed until they fix there community.

What do you mean fix their community? People (teen boys who care about nothing more than autoing geepees and showing off pixelskills and cash) are not going to change, and they aren't going to stop them from coming because they are making shittones of $ off of them. :D

and how do you fix the people that attend your website while it is down?

From: YoHoJo
What do you mean fix their community? People (teen boys who care about nothing more than autoing geepees and showing off pixelskills and cash) are not going to change, and they aren't going to stop them from coming because they are making shittones of $ off of them. :D

Well you know if they could remove all of there nsfw, disallow spam posts in the scripts section. Or add limitations to the serious abuse of the bot.

We all bot for various reasons, but we still love the game and no one wants to see it ruined.

@Brian, they created a replacement forum. Maybe they cant start in a positive way?

Because when speljohan 1st introduced Rsbot on his smf forums, everything was pretty good. But I still hope for Rsbot to be closed for a couple of months then start fresh.

From: Micro
Hi, what a great few arguements have been thrown around. I respect the amount of decency the staff here have, as others have strictly thought of this as a good way to go
"We rock".

The site has gone down because its a Civil Case, not a Criminal Case.
It was announced that yes discussion of the bot can be upheld, but Jagex have pulled some very cheap tactics in this case.
They also brought up the fact that Qauters has profited from the VIP's on the site which was used against him.

The court had told him to shut down the site while the case is being solved, if he were to NOT uphold it he'd be paying in access of 1000 usd every day.

While others have mentioned that this site has got a Market section,it is not as bad as Sythe, who are known as the Market leaders as of late.

Once again, i won't be choosing sides, but im quiet certain the few people that might recognise my name would know i was a Staff member on the site.

Hey Micro!,

True. I have read the full indictment Jackex <-> iBot. And believe me: if Jackex wants to take us down, they can. There is plenty of evidence all over this place; no doubt about that. Only, we are but a tiny drop in the ocean and our institution is not aimed at destruction nor profit. We are by far the oldest RS cheating-community around. We have seen bots come and go, witnessed the rise and fall of a lot of communities…and we are still here. I say: Let's stay this tiny drop and stay cloaked, and keep on happy cheating for as long as our beloved company allows us to.

This isn't meant to be a "flamey" post, I'm just stating some maybe unpleasant facts and it might seem a bit "flamish".

This sucks. Oh, and nobody is coming here to leech, color macroing hasn't been relevant to RS cheating in a looong time. We can at max expect a couple people join and post a couple whiny posts and leave.

RSBot was (at least from my experience) easily the best free bot available, and it was fairly easy to create flawless scripts even with alot of walking and complex tasks and you could run the scripts practically endlessly, which is nearly impossible with SCAR and SRL, not to mention it was faster, more accurate, more efficient, could solve all randoms (well, I got stuck in that maze thing once), it had tons of scripts etc. etc.. And I don't understand this "you dont learn anything from it" crap. When I want to learn programming I focus on making actual programs and reading tutorials/ebooks/etc., not runescape cheating.

This post might have mistakes and crap in it but I have no time to really look through it more now :/

From: GoF
This isn't meant to be a "flamey" post, I'm just stating some maybe unpleasant facts and it might seem a bit "flamish".

This sucks. Oh, and nobody is coming here to leech, color macroing hasn't been relevant to RS cheating in a looong time. We can at max expect a couple people join and post a couple whiny posts and leave.

RSBot was (at least from my experience) easily the best free bot available, and it was fairly easy to create flawless scripts even with alot of walking and complex tasks and you could run the scripts practically endlessly, which is nearly impossible with SCAR and SRL, not to mention it was faster, more accurate, more efficient, could solve all randoms (well, I got stuck in that maze thing once), it had tons of scripts etc. etc.. And I don't understand this "you dont learn anything from it" crap. When I want to learn programming I focus on making actual programs and reading tutorials/ebooks/etc., not runescape cheating.

This post might have mistakes and crap in it but I have no time to really look through it more now :/

You hate me and you probably do not care, but I agree.

RSBot was easy to make (almost) flawless bots with and keep private to earn great deals of RSGP on your own. And I barely believe that with SRL in its current state, you can do it that easily.

Seriously, in not even 3 hours, you can make the root of the script you're designing, and ready to test. Then debug it time to time.

SRL is hard to script with, maybe you like that but I think its pretty much that if we want to stay "cloaked" as WTFakawi has said, we should think of this flawlessness the SRL scripts should become in an easier way.

From: GoF
This isn't meant to be a "flamey" post, I'm just stating some maybe unpleasant facts and it might seem a bit "flamish".

This sucks. Oh, and nobody is coming here to leech, color macroing hasn't been relevant to RS cheating in a looong time. We can at max expect a couple people join and post a couple whiny posts and leave.

RSBot was (at least from my experience) easily the best free bot available, and it was fairly easy to create flawless scripts even with alot of walking and complex tasks and you could run the scripts practically endlessly, which is nearly impossible with SCAR and SRL, not to mention it was faster, more accurate, more efficient, could solve all randoms (well, I got stuck in that maze thing once), it had tons of scripts etc. etc.. And I don't understand this "you dont learn anything from it" crap. When I want to learn programming I focus on making actual programs and reading tutorials/ebooks/etc., not runescape cheating.

This post might have mistakes and crap in it but I have no time to really look through it more now :/

Yes!

Although, quite honestly, RSBot didn't have too many great scripts. There were I'd say 3-4 flawless free ones, and after that it sort of went downhill. Though that is in large because of the profit to be made form the hundreds of kids who wouldn't mind paying $5 was too great to pass up, hence the vastly successful pay scripts section. Personally, I found RSBot scripting fun in another way; you could concentrate on maximizing efficiency, usability, and appearance instead of concentrating on minor things like clicking roads and detecting objects.


Inb4rsbot is dead, stop talking about how great it was. I'm expressing my opinion of what I enjoyed about it while it lasted, which, I believe, I am free to do in a thread dedicated to it.

From: WT-Fakawi
Hey Micro!,

True. I have read the full indictment Jackex <-> iBot. And believe me: if Jackex wants to take us down, they can. There is plenty of evidence all over this place; no doubt about that. Only, we are but a tiny drop in the ocean and our institution is not aimed at destruction nor profit. We are by far the oldest RS cheating-community around. We have seen bots come and go, witnessed the rise and fall of a lot of communities…and we are still here. I say: Let's stay this tiny drop and stay cloaked, and keep on happy cheating for as long as our beloved company allows us to.

Lets enjoy it while we can ;)
I myself somehow stumbled on this site after a little googling,I was shocked to see the freddy site moved here. Boy this site is hard to find :P

From: Imcredible
Admins have remade rsbot on www.avalane.org. Sadly it barely has anything on it. To be honest i'm glad RSbot closed. I used it for awhile but it's filled with leechers.

Its quiet successful actually, not to brag but 1k members in a few days is quiet…fun? :D But i do understand rsbot did have far too many leechers :(
Didn't Kbot start of as nothing? So im sure with time the site will grow, will it grow exponentially or linearly…nobody knows :D

From: kingarabian
Well you know if they could remove all of there nsfw, disallow spam posts in the scripts section. Or add limitations to the serious abuse of the bot.

We all bot for various reasons, but we still love the game and no one wants to see it ruined.

@Brian, they created a replacement forum. Maybe they cant start in a positive way?

Because when speljohan 1st introduced Rsbot on his smf forums, everything was pretty good. But I still hope for Rsbot to be closed for a couple of months then start fresh.

Im not going to brag but before 1st Jan 2010, i had cleaned up EVERY single out-dated script. There were so many of them, and for the community i had cleaned it up. So i assume you may have visited the site pre-1st jan.

The replacement forum is generally so that staff can still keep in touch, the community(yes we have some XD) is still together.

From: WT-Fakawi
Hey Micro!,

True. I have read the full indictment Jackex <-> iBot. And believe me: if Jackex wants to take us down, they can. There is plenty of evidence all over this place; no doubt about that. Only, we are but a tiny drop in the ocean and our institution is not aimed at destruction nor profit. We are by far the oldest RS cheating-community around. We have seen bots come and go, witnessed the rise and fall of a lot of communities…and we are still here. I say: Let's stay this tiny drop and stay cloaked, and keep on happy cheating for as long as our beloved company allows us to.

Good analogy. We keep the runescape economy stable, without us it would be chaos. :spot:

[QUOTE=Camaro';692697]Good analogy. We keep the runescape economy stable, without us it would be chaos. :spot:[/QUOTE]

First of all, that's not what WT-Fakawi was saying, as far as I can tell. Second, that's not a valid statement. That's like saying that "the world would be a better place, and without war, if religion were abolished." And of course that sounds good at first, since the majority of wars in documented history have been due to (or regarding) religion, but everyone on Earth is still human, and we are still a violent people.

Anyway.

I see this as a slightly bad thing, to be honest. Not in the sense that all the other botting communities were "bad" or "full of leechers and idiots," but the fact that now Jagex has had two legal victories against cheating communities, and we're another pretty well known cheating site. Although, as recently stated, we're much different (I shan't get into that now), but still a cheating community all the same. I'm more worried about Wizzup?/WT-Fakawi/whomever hosts villavu.com than anything (which, logically, still isn't a big threat, but legal trouble is never good. Unless you hack into the government and then you get hired by them or something).

From: i luffs yeww
First of all, that's not what WT-Fakawi was saying, as far as I can tell. Second, that's not a valid statement. That's like saying that "the world would be a better place, and without war, if religion were abolished." And of course that sounds good at first, since the majority of wars in documented history have been due to (or regarding) religion, but everyone on Earth is still human, and we are still a violent people.

Well obviously we don't make a dent in the RS Economy because, what, we have at most 400 people who bot? Thats like a generous amount, and those '400', are probably some who bot on their main, and with extreme caution.

I was just saying it for the laugh. :redface:

Define 'pretty well known cheating site'. I'm guessing that most people that have been around a quite while have heard of SRL, but only have a vague idea . Some users may have heard of SCAR but don't know where we are, and the vast majority haven't heard at all. I'd say we are a very small blip on the radar.

I a little bit disagree with the effectivity of rsbot. The scripts work quite well but usually i just end up getting banned. (No failsafes in many scripts. Even their antirandoms sometimes keeps me logged in the random for several hours etc..And i have seen tons of scripts that only rotate the compass to the right or moving the mouse to the upper left corner)

Boreas, I meant a 'pretty well known bot.' :p I know a lot of people know what SCAR is, I dunno why I said cheating site..

http://avalane.org/showthread.php?1470-Help-compiling

This is why I like SRL/VillaVu.

I'm really sad RSBot is dying, I just learned to write scripts with it!
I even finished my first script, Mort Myre fungus picker :(

From: marpis
I'm really sad RSBot is dying, I just learned to write scripts with it!
I even finished my first script, Mort Myre fungus picker :(

www.quirlion.com have fun.

From: mormonman
www.quirlion.com have fun.

Wow, that bot seems really promising :o
What kind of technology are they using? (reflection?) and how "far" are they in their library considering rsbot/ibot/SRL?

Btw, what the o.O http://www.zetabot.com/ - Seems like all grand champion spelljohan is making a NEW bot =0

From: Cartmann
Wow, that bot seems really promising :o
What kind of technology are they using? (reflection?) and how "far" are they in their library considering rsbot/ibot/SRL?

Btw, what the o.O http://www.zetabot.com/ - Seems like all grand champion spelljohan is making a NEW bot =0

Yeah, but zetabot isn't released yet.

Isn't the language they script in kinda odd?

I dunno, but I thought they'd script in Java..

It's something named "Groovy" and "Python"

Lol, he makes it like building with lego :P

repeat
 walk(willow,draynor)
 chopWillow(until, full)
 walk(bank,draynor)
 bankDepositAll(willow)
until(x /* amount of willows chopped*/)

Groovy and Python are two different languages, which means that ZetaBot is going to support multiple languages, if it indeed uses both (I'm too lazy to check).

I know that they are 2 different languages :P I just havn't seen them before? But they look ALOT like Java with the small presentations he(spelljohan) made.

From: Cartmann
I know that they are 2 different languages :P I just havn't seen them before? But they look ALOT like Java with the small presentations he(spelljohan) made.

Yeah, they're based off the JSR 223 specification I believe.

From: Method
Yeah, they're based off the JSR 223 specification I believe.

So you can write Java codes in it?

They are back up apparently ?

From: Dr D. Dervish
They are back up apparently ?

http://www.rsbot.org/
No….? What are you talking about.
There are some other really small forums that people are going to though to use it/post stuff.
But their original URL is still down/linking to junk for me.

About antiban…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Meaning that 100% success rate can actually be a factor to fuel suspicion.

Humans misclick. We do it all the time.

~RM

From: YoHoJo
http://www.rsbot.org/
No….? What are you talking about.
There are some other really small forums that people are going to though to use it/post stuff.
But their original URL is still down/linking to junk for me.

Check out the rsbot twitter :

# RSBot seems to be running again :) no login-bot yet though. 11:01 AM Mar 4th via web

Or.. did I missunderstand something ?

From: Dr D. Dervish
Check out the rsbot twitter :

# RSBot seems to be running again :) no login-bot yet though. 11:01 AM Mar 4th via web

Or.. did I missunderstand something ?

You missed the "RSBot is currently down because of jagex." right above that :p

EDIT: But the bot itself, as far as I know, was never taken down.

From: Tad
You missed the "RSBot is currently down because of jagex." right above that :p

EDIT: But the bot itself, as far as I know, was never taken down.

Oh I feel stupid, never been on twitter before :S.

The bot was never taken down ? but how will prices rise then ?

From: Dr D. Dervish
Oh I feel stupid, never been on twitter before :S.

The bot was never taken down ? but how will prices rise then ?

Well, seeing as RSBot.org is down, people are assuming the bot will be following soon after. As of right now though, prices shouldn't be increasing significantly because of RSBot.

If you read my post you will notice that a new bot is currently rising, one which doese NOT require any skill in programming.

From: Tad
Well, seeing as RSBot.org is down, people are assuming the bot will be following soon after. As of right now though, prices shouldn't be increasing significantly because of RSBot.

Is anyone still updating it? If not, then by the next update Rsbot should be dead..

From: Rasta Magician
About antiban…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Meaning that 100% success rate can actually be a factor to fuel suspicion.

Humans misclick. We do it all the time.

~RM

Huh. :) Good read.

The RSBot googlecode is closed. RSBot is now dead!

From: TRiLeZ
The RSBot googlecode is closed. RSBot is now dead!

Nope, it just moved. http://runedev.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/data/

Doesn't look like it'll be gone any time soon.

EDIT: I'm not sure if that's the official svn, but nonetheless, it lets you download the new version of RSBot if you have the old version via its automatic updater.

From: Tad
Nope, it just moved. http://runedev.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/data/

Doesn't look like it'll be gone any time soon.

EDIT: I'm not sure if that's the official svn, but nonetheless, it lets you download the new version of RSBot if you have the old version via its automatic updater.

Non-official one.

But lol @ Jagex sending CDMA notices to Google. It will be an interesting read once chillingeffects processes it.

From: Cartmann
Btw, what the o.O http://www.zetabot.com/ - Seems like all grand champion spelljohan is making a NEW bot =0

lol. Speljohan and ZeroFreeze ;)

Also, when this thread first started, I was planning on giving out the website, then I thought 'nah', since it was still a secret then ;)

yeah, they have a forum section at scythe being used atm ^^

RSBot is officially not working starting today. Googlecode repository is password protected now… maybe it was taken down?

[QUOTE=Dan's The Man;694668]lol. Speljohan and ZeroFreeze ;)

Also, when this thread first started, I was planning on giving out the website, then I thought 'nah', since it was still a secret then ;)

speljohan and cowie would always come into IRC and brag about it lol :p it's wasn't that big of a secret.

From: Wizzy
RSBot is officially not working starting today. Googlecode repository is password protected now… maybe it was taken down?

Maybe like officially close to a week ago lol. But there is already a fix out and it is working if you can find it.

I read some post on a different forum, where a guy had been talking to Qauters (the dude getting sued) on MSN and answering a few questions. I just can't seem to find the link right now >.<

From: Joseph7
I read some post on a different forum, where a guy had been talking to Qauters (the dude getting sued) on MSN and answering a few questions. I just can't seem to find the link right now >.<

It's on sythe.org, I think it's removed? can't find it either

RSBot seems to be dead as all the svn links are down.

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=784255

That's the link to guy talking to quarters.

From: antti mies
RSBot seems to be dead as all the svn links are down.

Its just a matter of re-uploading ;) RuneDev v6.5 works perfectly….. just be in time when people are posting the new links. they should make a torrent file or something for it. They cant stop that :)

Its not easy to just update a torrent file though.
SVN/GoogleCode is easier because its like a one click update.

And even if it was a torrent, they could still pin the uploaded/website etc for it, not really a way to get around being caught.

Lol, as Method stated earlier SRL uses the Runescape 'skill images' in the scripts section which are the property of Jagex Ltd.

Also RSBot is updated and currently working as of this moment with a new login bot. :)
Well it is no longer named 'RSBot', it is under a new name, but it is still the same bot.

[03:X8:26] Injector               Injecting client #595

You just have to know where to look :p

From: turbobk
Lol, as Method stated earlier SRL uses the Runescape 'skill images' in the scripts section which are the property of Jagex Ltd.

Also RSBot is updated and currently working as of this moment with a new login bot. :)
Well it is no longer named 'RSBot', it is under a new name, but it is still the same bot.

[03:X8:26] Injector               Injecting client #595

You just have to know where to look :p

Why not just tell people, before we got a bunch of spam posts asking.

Making a thread in general news..