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Looking for methods of levelling Herblore at the GE with limited loss. I am unfamiliair with Herblore, so any advice at what to buy and how to go about making the right potions would be helpfull. I will provide the scripts of course :)

Nice of you to provide the scripts :)

Herblore usually turns out at a loss, however, just making unfinished potions usually makes a profit.

Unfinished potion making gives you 0 exp.

A good way to balance it is to make a few inventories of potions and then a few inventories of just unfinished pots.

Or have it make all the unfinished pots first, and then only turn about 70% of them into potions :) That would make the script quite efficient and loss free (you'd have to do the actual calculations of %)

You're probably best of at only breaking even (having no profit/loss) until you're in the high levels, and then at the high levels it'l require less pots to makeup for a loss, or you can even choose to make a profit easily :)

~RM

Make a script that cleans herbs first, makes the unfinished potions, then makes the potions. It's cheaper than just making potions, but you gain more exp :)

Or go with RM's way. You earn a good amount of money making unfinished potions. If you are going to bot it, you mine as well just clean herbs, make them into unfinished pots, then sell them. You still get experience, but make money.

From: Runaway Cop
Make a script that cleans herbs first, makes the unfinished potions, then makes the potions. It's cheaper than just making potions, but you gain more exp :)

Or go with RM's way. You earn a good amount of money making unfinished potions. If you are going to bot it, you mine as well just clean herbs, make them into unfinished pots, then sell them. You still get experience, but make money.

I think the amount of xp you get from cleaning is very little….

~RM

Nice …
I just started to make a herb cleaner :p, but I don't want to have a competitor like WT-Fakawi(mine would be surely unused) so I will just share my early observations/thinkings.
Herblore on higher levels will cost a lot money. http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Herblore_training <- Ugly, red numbers.
My idea was to clean herbs with no profit, because selling the clean herbs is not always that easy and you want to sell them fast to have money for grimy herbs again. The cleaning itself is fast but got some interesting thing …(later).

I was doing a research today(I did not know that you will make something like this too …) and I was buying grimy toadflax 1 gp above mid and sold the clean herbs for the exact same amount of money ea. This way it was bought fairly quick. Maybe herb cleaning is not that fast xp but much much cheaper then making potions.

About the cleaning: I have done a simple loop to click through the inventory(slot by slot) and a lot of herb left dirty. I done it by hand(also faster) and there was less dirty herbs left. Then I modified mouse.scar to have less wait between clicks and the result was less dirty herb again. When the herb doesn't fade a bit right after clicking it will remain dirty. It's something to do with what the game is doing when you are clicking. I (by hand) is always like 2-4 herb "in the future", meaning I still got 2-4 dirty one behind me. I think when a herb becomes clean(in that moment) your input is invalid or something like that. I just don't understand it. I was about to write a function that results true when the herb "fades", something like DidClick. I have tried it with always double clicking the herb and the result was 0% dirty herbs left, but that is very bot-like.

Oups, I didn't want to write this long, sorry and I hope this helps.

I think the script should buy/sell during cleaning because herbs are expensive and you would need lots of lots of herb to run the script for a few hour.

p.s.: I'm really not that "rs expert" I just auto the whole game so this whole idea may be bad.

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Calculators/Herbs
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Calculators/Unfinished_potions

EDIT: @RM: I am not sure but selling the unfinished potions means less xp so maybe that method is not that better xp than only cleaning? I haven't tried or investigated it.

Cleaning herbs all the way! That's the only way afaik to get it up without too big lossses.

praya pots?

Cleaning herbs!! I brought my old main to 55 or so herblore by just cleaning herbs. I even made money.

You could try by barbarian pots.
You would have to get (2) pots tho, but I think it's still way faster than cleaning herbs. Antipoisons and Super-antis are even profit.
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Calculators/Barbarian_mixes

You can profit from herblore, but it requires buying and selling at the right times. The only 'sure-fire' way to level herblore while breaking even/profiting is cleaning herbs. But the profit changes every GE update. Cleaning herbs can be really really good money and cleaning the higher level herbs is a good 60k exp a hour atleast if I recall correctly.

Decided to check it out myself, and indeed some herbs are profitable to clean.

clean: http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/results.ws?query=clean&price=all&members=
grimy: http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/results.ws?query=grimy&price=all&members=

~RM

Yeah cleaning herbs can be profitable, but you don't get crap all exp.

From: code841
Yeah cleaning herbs can be profitable, but you don't get crap all exp.

Would you rather lose 200k/hour or gain some money and make 7k xp/hour?

7k exp is not going to get you very far…
Herblore is an expensive skill to level, all I'm going to say.

From: Runaway Cop
Would you rather lose 200k/hour or gain some money and make 7k xp/hour?

Lose 200k an hour and ger decent xp. Have fun getting to 99 herblore with 7k xp an hour

really the only way you can gain herb lvls quick with scar is if you have mills to buy herbs ingredients and vials. and dont forget you have to fill your vials with water. however the higher lvl ur herb is, the more money you use the less money you lose (that ryhmed haha) because of high demand potions. like prayer pot, super str, etc.

You should get something that does all your herblore stuff, WHILE
farming. ;o
There's always a few bucks to be had with a few extra herbs. :D

If you clean herbs and only get 7k exp a hour, LOL. WOW, that is SLOW guys. You can get 60k to 100k experience a hour cleaning herbs. It depends on the herb you clean and the method (manually you will prob develop RSI in a hour and won't clean as fast if you were to use mouse keys)

However you don't have to worry about that with SCAR. And basically 100k is the absolute most you will get, which probably requires almost near flawless clicking. I can personally clean 4k herbs a hour using the mouse.

Simple enough for script….

var ClickTime: integer;

Procedure CleanHerbs;
begin
  ClickTime := 300;
  for i:= 1 to 28 do
  begin
    MouseItem(i);
    wait(ClickTime + Random(50));
  end;

  if FindGrime then
    IncEx(ClickTime, 50);
end;

begin
  repeat
    DoBank;
    CleanHerbs;
  until(not LoggedIn)
end.

Meaning that you bank even if you didn't clean them all. It'll be faster than to attempt to sort through them.

~RM

That function would be very slow. The wait can be lower then 100ms actually and the miss rate is just a bit higher. And then there is a point when faster = less miss too(with mouse.scar edit). As I have written it already before.
Today on the history lesson while I was sleeping I got an idea so I will try that out.

From: Sabzi
That function would be very slow. The wait can be lower then 100ms actually and the miss rate is just a bit higher. And then there is a point when faster = less miss too(with mouse.scar edit). As I have written it already before.
Today on the history lesson while I was sleeping I got an idea so I will try that out.

RM intentionally put the clicktime variable there. Different systems and connection speeds require different wait times and clicks. With that variable you can adjust for your systems needs.

On topic: Cleaning herbs can be quite profitable. I just brought an account from 3-57 herblore by just cleaning

It is going very well. Thank you all for your advice. I will report back soon :)

From: WT-Fakawi
It is going very well. Thank you all for your advice. I will report back soon :)

Care to share what you're doing? :D

From: i luffs yeww
Care to share what you're doing? :D

Well sure. I am currently Herblore 52 and my investments are paying out. I made 1.4 Million by selling 1k Prayer(4) Potions for 12.5 Million. I invested 11.1 Million in 1k Grimy Rannar and 1k Snape Grass. And at XP rate of approx 60k/hour. So…not bad at all.

Currently I quit RuneScape, but I really liked farming/herblore (was over 70 in both), but the best way I thought was farming your own herbs then making potions. Depends on your farming level but I mostly did avantoes, not much profit but very good and fast herb xp.

But if you ONLY want to do herblore, then you could get your own mort myre fungi and either make potions, or sell it. (BTW, This is a VERY good money maker if you have a house with altar/canifis tele and use summoning)

From: WT-Fakawi
Well sure. I am currently Herblore 52 and my investments are paying out. I made 1.4 Million by selling 1k Prayer(4) Potions for 12.5 Million. I invested 11.1 Million in 1k Grimy Rannar and 1k Snape Grass. And at XP rate of approx 60k/hour. So…not bad at all.

Uhhh, Prayer Potion(4)??? How the feck did you make a 4 charged potion? I thought it was only Prayer Potion(3). And in that case you would be losing a crapload of money.

From: code841
Uhhh, Prayer Potion(4)??? How the feck did you make a 4 charged potion? I thought it was only Prayer Potion(3). And in that case you would be losing a crapload of money.

Decant them..

yeah so… how does one pull out 1k Prayer Pot(4) from only 1k grass/herbs? Wouldn't it be every 4 Prayer Pot(3) made, you get 3 Prayer Pot(4). Therefore you only get 750 Prayer Pot(4) in total…

From: code841
yeah so… how does one pull out 1k Prayer Pot(4) from only 1k grass/herbs? Wouldn't it be every 4 Prayer Pot(3) made, you get 3 Prayer Pot(4). Therefore you only get 750 Prayer Pot(4) in total…

True :) But first I sold 1 k Guam Unf and 1 k Harralander unf at amazing profit :)

Grimy herbs are in too great demand on GE, you'll never get to buy enough of them so that it'd be actually good training. :(

E:
Dirty Torstol = 19.5k
Clean Torstol = 20.9k
Profit = 1.4k per herb = 40k per inventory
You do 3 loads in a minute, which means 3*60 = 180 loads in an hour
180*40k= 7.2M per hour

If only I had high herblore and lots of dirty, dirty torstol… :rolleyes:

If you have very high herblore and farming, this seems to be a very, very nice way to make money while gaining both herbloring and farming xp! Plus you can do whatever you want when the herbs are growing.
There are 5 herb patches in the game, each yield approximately 6.5 torstols in 1.3 hours. Cleaning the herbs takes no time so that's not included in calculations. So 1 herb is 20k, a seed is 95k.
((5*6.5*20k)-95k)/1.3 = 430k per hour + the money you do while waiting (killing aviansies or whatever you like)

After some experimenting with noob Herblore Players, I came up with this method to level Herblore and make some profit:

1. Buy grimy guam and harralander
2. Buy Vials of Water
3. Clean the Grimies
4. Make unfinished potions

Buy Vials of water for 35 gp
Buy Grimy guams for 585 gp
Sell Guam potion unf for 715 gp

I make approx 1k unfs per hour, 3k xp cleaning grimy guams and approx 100 gp per vial.

100k profit per hour.



Buy vials of water for 35 gp
Buy grimy harralander for 1435 gp
Sell Harralander potion unf for 1700 gp

I make approx 1k unfs per hour, 7k xp cleaning grimy harralander and approx 230 gp per vial.

230k profit per hour.


I boosted one of my players to Herblore 60+ …. within a day(!) from cleaning grimies to generating 2k Prayer Potions(4). I invested 10 Million in this particluar Player, and I lost only 250k…for Herblore 60+. Not bad.

So… the theory actually works, though you must exercise patience with selling the unfs and you must do your math or else you will end up bankrupt :)



<============== - Progress Report ===============>
134 Runs.
13132 Xp made in 1 Hours, 55 Minutes and 25 Seconds
Cleaned 1876 Grimys
Unfinished 1876 Potions
Made 0 Potions
Decanted 0 Potions
Successfully executed

You should try making tarromin unfs. I think they may make much more than Guam unfs.

clean herbs AND add them to vials of water. adding ranars to make unfin ranar pot or dwarfs to make unf dwarf pots can make u easy 2m/hr =p

We have some herbalore scripts now??

Were were :)

From: Rasta Magician
Simple enough for script….

var ClickTime: integer;

Procedure CleanHerbs;
begin
  ClickTime := 300;
  for i:= 1 to 28 do
  begin
    MouseItem(i);
    wait(ClickTime + Random(50));
  end;

  if FindGrime then
    IncEx(ClickTime, 50);
end;

begin
  repeat
    DoBank;
    CleanHerbs;
  until(not LoggedIn)
end.

Meaning that you bank even if you didn't clean them all. It'll be faster than to attempt to sort through them.

~RM

True, but in reality, designing a script that operates completely humanlike, performs flawless banking….and mouseitem wont do, because that doesnt check for existence of an item and doesn't scan its boundaries… It takes some time :)

And Scraper….yes I could do that, but cleaning a script and making it readable for everyone….takes a lot of time too.

From: WT-Fakawi
True, but in reality, designing a script that operates completely humanlike, performs flawless banking….and mouseitem wont do, because that doesnt check for existence of an item and doesn't scan its boundaries… It takes some time :)

And Scraper….yes I could do that, but cleaning a script and making it readable for everyone….takes a lot of time too.

You used BitmapMask's didn't you… :p

From: WhiteShadow
You used BitmapMask's didn't you… :p

Fawki style :p

From: WhiteShadow
You used BitmapMask's didn't you… :p

Hmmm?

procedure LoadBitMaps;
begin
  CleanGuam := BitmapFromString(10, 9, 'beNrz4uCwREVOYOTFwcDA' +
       'AORCSDRZBjBAKEbTC2QYQkmoSicMlRA1QKTJgUXWCUmBIaqsE25Ln' +
       'RCOhyJLGBdZygnVEGQpANQ3GXk=');
  GrimyGuam := BitmapFromString(10, 9, 'beNpVjisSwCAMRCORkdhI' +
       'JDIWGVmJ7f3v0E2gNGV2mNm8zUelXHw0eh1dIL6ZiIr5j2KmpkLxQ' +
       'Hm6PqqyrRXQ3upKougz3yQQLKhLGLug3xkqyOgKtDTWt0i2EHpRPM' +
       'hCeSbsOnujuNkDc7cfZA96iymf');
  GrimyHarra := BitmapFromString(10, 9, 'beNpFjqEOwCAMRCsnkdj' +
       'KSWQtEjmJnZzc/ye7cu0gF0L7yvVM+yz9Ln5Drfam0HiKiNj025uc' +
       'WXSYyjqgGPP+ndSUb7sO0HZWTi7qnvQxX6SgFPr0sZkxTN0hB8I2E' +
       'uq/BWVkaMoVQIOC5xvBUDL2Ril+3+gDP4s2Sw==');
  CleanHarra := BitmapFromString(10, 9, 'beNpNjqEOwCAMRCsr+RV' +
       'kbSUSiUVO7v+TXXvdBrk0cK9c7m7m6rv5Su3QuEIiYqaYJyKVPKA+' +
       '9POJMBHYTUH7UG7SDJo58RFzxgIUfubYijX2AaVqIRsS1ZPOqrZnh' +
       'wp8uxXNHCJeoP87zQf42zfG');
  VialOfWater := BitmapFromString(3, 8, 'beNornpOcTRi09OyFoOo' +
       'WEMounoPOAAC0JCNC');
  VialMask := BitmapFromString(21, 18, 'beNrF0kESABAMQ9Hc/9K1' +
       'Naoa/kKX5DGlUq6IkC7WzUzLYYBwpzX4MlXMtFWY8CubCeEPdoa/O' +
       'DyBtJ//zp+6w9y2u/4VS21yAw/yiXc=');
  LeafMask := BitmapFromString(30, 14, 'beNq1U0EKACAI8/+friC' +
       'QclhTa6eQuZktkYG2QyvzID48DlNf7ZB28I2aMjCOnojWzxOuHGQy' +
       'vaHJSd/0Nq6Odc20LNmICWfI6WtinJ48On7P4uow1eZ7PsmnkZUPo' +
       'GQ7GhPmGg==');
  Prayer3 := BitmapFromString(4, 18, 'beNrb25MNA15eXsjsZAQ7KD' +
       'k5G4iCgqKCgoI0W5IVi6MUs70Uo5wsj02x3NtjubXHcm0LdvZWbOy' +
       '9cPYUBBuqrMUJO7sHyHbCxkbS2wMyEGIsAGQYZPQ=');
  Energy3 := BitmapFromString(4, 20, 'beNrzCkpOzoYALy+v7GzCbC' +
       'T1IL1AFBQUFQTEhpZBmoZemppOipotXkFAVA1ETl4ItheU3YLODuo' +
       'hih3Vg5MdhcZuAeuFs1vgRgEAXHBYmA==');
  ChocoDust := BitmapFromString(7, 7, 'beNozlLBUFHDSlPACIyCbA' +
       'Qy8YCJeSFJBhhJwBBePMoQiZKkoQ0UwQpFKtlSMgiCYFEQQjqBSAH' +
       'eUHIw=');
  UnfHarra := BitmapFromString(6, 7, 'beNqrrk5OzoagoKCooKAgLy' +
       '+vZCAnKioZwnFyAqI5PT1ANKWlZUpLdU81EBVDROaARFowRaZgF6m' +
       'GivTARADZ6jyK');
  UnfRanarr := BitmapFromString(4, 8, 'beNpNxyEOACAMA8C/ISsrs' +
       'ZN7Qu3k5CSPBQRhTZtcS/4CwL5p5qfk5JlPGkEMjFwZFSopdb3i3u' +
       '5q3o+PK0E=');
  GrimyRanarr := BitmapFromString(10, 9, 'beNpNjisOADEIRJHIlV' +
       'gkEomtRFbu/Q+yfFqyzaQJvGEyxuo4WkpLOaQvAoB4/rH8UzeGekF' +
       '1l4Ya9ygLkwq1M5aZeZ3iNQqlmCZEShllHAnWBjmxB0U948npDpl2' +
       'kZeiv71P22Ls2gdtHPX5IP8Apy4tZw==');
  CleanRanarr := BitmapFromString(10, 9, 'beNplTrsOwCAIZGTsL3' +
       'RkdGR17OjI/39I4YqKqbkQcg88u0S5PQUDMCYil3z+VcKLYAdzqs5' +
       'Li3lrOoMvzu9H6WFwpOoMJAHj6kKencF9B8jCa0H5o7PxLlCXMeMG' +
       '0lhfQaIqMA==');
  GrimyIrit := BitmapFromString(10, 9, 'beNpFjisOxTAMBHOEwlBD' +
       'w4WmgYGFpYG5P+/6rfMqjSJlx7+weHw8HgJ9/JgbrbW4LV/0qpGND' +
       'GXH8uSzpi9uo4V3VWZIu7zmsBGdlrhdYyNZ5wbWoNqFxh71bamEvQ' +
       'z/KmySDZLhcn51tlTdfDZm2VHzBYYWOOM=');
  CleanIrit := BitmapFromString(9, 9, 'beNpNjqEOwDAIRPsZs5NI5' +
       'CwSOVlbWbn/T3ZwjCxpmuMeBzxqU658tur51jGG2Fl+o/SJovyjJe' +
       'qn2AHEHjr4OSEiMxyF2Kp3IUEq2+AETd2o5veFW2tvL0XqO8OTcjI' +
       '1+xFE6bk0xAvu2Djq');
  SnapeGrass := BitmapFromString(8, 8, 'beNqLshSIAqNiJwYGBig7' +
       'CiEIQlGWICkwA40N5aKpx0AMYICuBVMl3HAchsDdiTANAEg/JXg=');  //
end;

From: WT-Fakawi
Hmmm?

Made me smile :D

How much xp p/h?

Currently my testplayer is herblore 53, he has made 8 mil in two days at a rate of 400k/hour just cleaning Irits, making Irit unfs and selling at max price at GE. XP is 1k cleaning herbs/hour approx. 8/12k, not a lot, but I am saving up to make me an overdose of prayer pots (for XP)

From: WT-Fakawi
Currently my testplayer is herblore 53, he has made 8 mil in two days at a rate of 400k/hour just cleaning Irits, making Irit unfs and selling at max price at GE. XP is 1k cleaning herbs/hour approx. 8/12k, not a lot, but I am saving up to make me an overdose of prayer pots (for XP)

10 hours a day eh, you don't mess around :p

Yes, but regular hours only. I still suspect login-time to be one of the parameters of the banning mechanism.

So I tried botting cleaning herbs, and found that it can do ~3200 herbs an hour. So far I can only get my hands on harralanders, which gives a small profit per herb when selling them back cleaned. From this you get ~20k herblore exp per hour. Irit and wergali are also profitable, but I can't seem to buy at market price. You could potentially get ~30k exp per hour on wergali cleaning.

From: code841
So I tried botting cleaning herbs, and found that it can do ~3200 herbs an hour. So far I can only get my hands on harralanders, which gives a small profit per herb when selling them back cleaned. From this you get ~20k herblore exp per hour. Irit and wergali are also profitable, but I can't seem to buy at market price. You could potentially get ~30k exp per hour on wergali cleaning.

Thats prolly because I am in que for 20k grimy irits :)