SRL Archive - Who Are You ? Who ? Who ?

Hi there to protect my identity I've logged in with a proxy and would like to ask


I am a former Jagex Staff member, I was part of the macro detection system partly responsible for the death of "Auto Rune" anyways… what a fine community you all have here :)

Would you be interested in any Jagex secrets? "Lulz"?

Perhaps I can post some funny quotes from behind the scenes?

Welcome to the community :), Im sure all of us would love to hear anything you have to offer.

I doubt it, but go ahead.

Amuse us :)

A dynamic stats sig I Lol'd… interesting :)

Well where should I start? Modern Era or 03'?

So much to cover, any questions in particular?

well I'll start with a specific one: Do you guys actually read any of the appeals sent in?

Now with that question we will all surely know if you are legit or not, since only a real jagex (former?) employee would know the answer, and of course, I can tell when people lie on the internet.

I could care less about all their secrets or if they look at the appeals themselves…

I want to know some of these funny behind the scenes quotes.

We all realize someone is just trolling right?

/me throws food at the Troll.

moar moar!

From: Brain
well I'll start with a specific one: Do you guys actually read any of the appeals sent in?

Now with that question we will all surely know if you are legit or not, since only a real jagex (former?) employee would know the answer, and of course, I can tell when people lie on the internet.

To accurately answer your question, Mr. Brain, I was not a part of that particular team… my job was to help with macro detection strategies, some arbitrary busy work around the office, and review player reports. I do know that ban and lock appeals get sent first through a sorting program that picks out the auto-deny/auto-accepts ones, they only account for about less than a quarter of the total though… those ones are given a certain auto-reply depending on the type and severity of the rule breaking, as well as the players prior offense history. The rest are reviewed by actual people, but the replies do not differ much at all from any other reply, they basically review the appeal and decide what action to take and what "auto-reply" message is appropriate. How else would we (former) manage the thousands of inquiries daily?

I have a much higher paying job now… I was laid off from Jagex about 3 months ago because I was lurking around site like this at work :)

jagex secrets plz?

Atleast some proof please.
Maybe hold a paper that says "Hi Srl" and take it in front of jagex building (can be seen on youtube's excel go to jagex video) and block out your face.

[BANANA][/BANANA]

From: Main_Ftw
Atleast some proof please.
Maybe hold a paper that says "Hi Srl" and take it in front of jagex building (can be seen on youtube's excel go to jagex video) and block out your face.

better yet, write "Brain" across your chest and post a time stamped picture for us to see, that way we'll know you're legit.

This is quite amusing..
I want definitive proof please :).

Haha, amuse us please :) I think this is a troll…

~Camo

If you're not, welcome.

From: Harry

If you're not, welcome.

*fapfapfap*

Well, most of us would probably be interested in your 'macro detection system', tell us anything and everything, current era.

If you're not a troll, how does Jagex identify autoers?

From: Harry

If you're not, welcome.

even if you are trolling, welcome! Threads like this are fun.

From: Brain
even if you are trolling, welcome! Threads like this are fun.

Its a troll, the 'all your base picture' gave it away.

"All your base" > Internet Meme > 4chan > Troll

all your base are belong to us is a meme?!
:p
sorry, but I love feeding trolls, the phrase "trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls" is one of my favorites.

From: Brain
all your base are belong to us is a meme?!

Yes, it is a meme.

The term Internet meme is a phrase used to describe a catchphrase or concept that spreads quickly from person to person via the Internet, much like an esoteric inside joke.[1]

- wikipedia

If we'd assume you aren't trolling, just so you know, you wouldn't rise in the ranks here by telling 'secrets' or anything…

Unless they are willing to post decent portions of the runescape source code I doubt we will learn much from 'former staff members anyway'.

From: Johura
Unless they are willing to post decent portions of the runescape source code I doubt we will learn much from 'former staff members anyway'.

Of course we can! :)

@Who wants to know: Do Autoresponders have a great deal to if a user is banned or not?

Unless they are willing to post decent portions of the runescape source code I doubt we will learn much from 'former staff members anyway'.

Check SMART section for Method's refactored #578.

Nice troll i guess :P

Heyy, Its worth the trolling if he is a troll. If he is trolling, its better than other trolls that troll these parts.

From: Main_Ftw
Atleast some proof please.
Maybe hold a paper that says "Hi Srl" and take it in front of jagex building (can be seen on youtube's excel go to jagex video) and block out your face.

I can't do that ;) I'm using a proxy and protecting my identity for a reason. Besides what proof would it be anyways? Photoshop now makes it easy.

From: Brain
better yet, write "Brain" across your chest and post a time stamped picture for us to see, that way we'll know you're legit.

From: Sex
This is quite amusing..
I want definitive proof please :).

Anyone could do that ;)

From: YoHoJo
Well, most of us would probably be interested in your 'macro detection system', tell us anything and everything, current era.

As I am not entirely familiar with this communities methods it would be better if you asked me more specific questions, I will try my best though :)

From: TRiLeZ
If you're not a troll, how does Jagex identify autoers?

There's a number of ways, the main way is the reconstruction method used via the report system. It logs all the variables you and the player that reported used in the past 60 seconds or so… once the inquiry arrives a person from my former team would 'reconstruct' the information and decide whether or not it is a legitimate player, they usually come up inconclusive. Another main way is watching for out of the ordinary client usage, this was how Auto Rune was killed because of the "-1 UID". The most conclusive evidence in my opinion is the chat logs, playing statistics (such as playing/breaking time… unsolved Events like randoms), and IP logs, it's quite funny to watch a reconstructed mouse array go crazy all over the test screen.

The '60 second record' method works by saving everything you do in arrays to a database that is constantly deleting data from 61 seconds ago and replacing it with data from 1 second ago thus creating the 60 prior seconds that can be accessed on a whim via the report button.

From: Johura
Its a troll, the 'all your base picture' gave it away.

"All your base" > Internet Meme > 4chan > Troll

Actually it was meant as a joke, but seeing how there is no way I can prove who I am (nor do I want to) I figured maybe this community could benefit from my information whether or not they chose to believe it is entirely up to the viewer, I'll just say what I can :)

From: n3ss3s
If we'd assume you aren't trolling, just so you know, you wouldn't rise in the ranks here by telling 'secrets' or anything…

Oh quite, if I wanted to 'rise in the rankings' I would of taken a much stealthier approach, however a few years back a "Jagex Spy" managed to reach SRL membership status ;)

From: Johura
Unless they are willing to post decent portions of the runescape source code I doubt we will learn much from 'former staff members anyway'.

If you were anyone who could do anything worth while then you would know the source for the game side is quite accessible through several well maintained SVN's and a simple Java decompiler :)

From: Zyt3x
Of course we can! :)

@Who wants to know: Do Autoresponders have a great deal to if a user is banned or not?

"Autoresponders"?

Are you referring to the spam bots? Those are usually banned within a day.

Auto-responder is something which responds to players chat with its own responses.

I think you iz trollin'.

From: Who Wants To Know
Oh quite, if I wanted to 'rise in the rankings' I would of taken a much stealthier approach, however a few years back a "Jagex Spy" managed to reach SRL membership status ;)

"Autoresponders"?

Are you referring to the spam bots? Those are usually banned within a day.

1. Really? Under what Nickname? O_o

2. An Autoresponder is something that we use to "chat" with other people in-game, making us seem more like humans by talking, I.E someone says "Mining lvl?" and the bot answers with the bot's mining level.

From: Who Wants To Know
There's a number of ways, the main way is the reconstruction method used via the report system. It logs all the variables you and the player that reported used in the past 60 seconds or so… once the inquiry arrives a person from my former team would 'reconstruct' the information and decide whether or not it is a legitimate player, they usually come up inconclusive. Another main way is watching for out of the ordinary client usage, this was how Auto Rune was killed because of the "-1 UID". The most conclusive evidence in my opinion is the chat logs, playing statistics (such as playing/breaking time… unsolved Events like randoms), and IP logs, it's quite funny to watch a reconstructed mouse array go crazy all over the test screen.

The '60 second record' method works by saving everything you do in arrays to a database that is constantly deleting data from 61 seconds ago and replacing it with data from 1 second ago thus creating the 60 prior seconds that can be accessed on a whim via the report button..

Don't you mean Aryan instead of Auto Rune…? Quite a different thing AFAIK. Aryan bots got caught + banned because they all used the same UID. But then again, Auto Rune was before my time, I don't know how it got killed.

So if we make our bots have better breakng times and they sucessfully solve all randoms plus that they don't go on for 24/7. We will have sucsessfully created a bot which is undetectable.
Second question, i remember jagex posted on their front page of runescape once that they can detect all bots and cheets. Please tell me if this is ture or not.

And something i am very intrested you must tell us your runescape mod username so we can check him up. All so tell us something about becomming a jAGEX MOD IS THERE ANYCODE OR SOMETHING IF SO PLEASE REVEALE THE SECRET ;-)

From: Qasim149
So if we make our bots have better breakng times and they sucessfully solve all randoms plus that they don't go on for 24/7. We will have sucsessfully created a bot which is undetectable.
Second question, i remember jagex posted on their front page of runescape once that they can detect all bots and cheets. Please tell me if this is ture or not.

And something i am very intrested you must tell us your runescape mod username so we can check him up. All so tell us something about becomming a jAGEX MOD IS THERE ANYCODE OR SOMETHING IF SO PLEASE REVEALE THE SECRET ;-)

Dude.. What the..? Of course there is no "code" or secret way to become a jmod.. Only way to become a jmod is to begin working at their place @ cambridge.
It's been proved many times that SCAR can be undetectable/user not banned from using SCAR

From: Zyt3x
1. Really? Under what Nickname? O_o

2. An Autoresponder is something that we use to "chat" with other people in-game, making us seem more like humans by talking, I.E someone says "Mining lvl?" and the bot answers with the bot's mining level.

Interesting idea, Jagex does not have magic powers ;) so if it's a human like how would they know? My guess if it's realistic enough it could help, but one slip up and the chat logs tell a good story ;)

From: Wizzup?
Don't you mean Aryan instead of Auto Rune…? Quite a different thing AFAIK. Aryan bots got caught + banned because they all used the same UID. But then again, Auto Rune was before my time, I don't know how it got killed.

Auto Rune was the first widespread macro system we took action against, similar bots that followed it were detected the same way. Perhaps that was one of them.

From: Qasim149
So if we make our bots have better breakng times and they sucessfully solve all randoms plus that they don't go on for 24/7. We will have sucsessfully created a bot which is undetectable.
Second question, i remember jagex posted on their front page of runescape once that they can detect all bots and cheets. Please tell me if this is ture or not.

Oh no, most of the claims that you have read to be 'by Jagex' are by the Public Relations/Webiste people who either deliberately lie or have no idea what they are talking about. They also claimed there were no cheats for runescape ;) Even though at one point there was investigations going on numerous websites and communities in the past.

The Lurker that got his status to 'yellow' on this website didn't reveal his account name, and if he did I probably wouldn't tell you. He was doing research on various different macroing methods he posted a few scripts he claimed were 'from the private section' a while back at our secret Jagex hideout ;)

It is against the rules to proxy into SRL.

Sorry if I sound agressive, but if this IS true, we'd be interested I believe.

Also, who knows on which side you actually are on ? If you actually are here to sort of gain our interest and melt into the background, to take a critical strike against us, who knows ;).

Of course I understand you want to protect your identity, but please be a bit more honest with us, and, what do you fear ?

To be honest I find it very unlikely a past mod would post on this thread introducing himself with "All your base are belong to us." crap.

From: Who Wants To Know
He was doing research on various different macroing methods he posted a few scripts he claimed were 'from the private section' a while back at our secret Jagex hideout ;)

Hehe, I find this a little funny tbh, I wonder how little JaGeX actually knows about us.. :D
There is more than one private section, and the yellow-status one isn't the best of them

Oh btw, don't take stuff people say here personally.. most of the users here are teenagers and JMods (or persons saying they are / was JMods) aren't that well liked here, as you might have noticed ;)

From: Who Wants To Know
Auto Rune was the first widespread macro system we took action against, similar bots that followed it were detected the same way. Perhaps that was one of them.

Well, I don't think Auto Rune was similar to Aryan. Aryan was the first public java bot, while Auto Rune did not use java. (To my knowledge)
There is also several years in between. Auto Rune died long before Aryan was created.

It is against the rules to proxy into SRL.

Sorry if I sound agressive, but if this IS true, we'd be interested I believe.

Also, who knows on which side you actually are on ? If you actually are here to sort of gain our interest and melt into the background, to take a critical strike against us, who knows .

Of course I understand you want to protect your identity, but please be a bit more honest with us, and, what do you fear ?

To be honest I find it very unlikely a past mod would post on this thread introducing himself with "All your base are belong to us." crap.

Dervish, shh. This guy is the most interesting potential troll we've ever had here.

lol IceFire :p

Also, who knows on which side you actually are on ? If you actually are here to sort of gain our interest and melt into the background, to take a critical strike against us, who knows .

But it's so funny how practically a Jagex spy within us wouldn't do us much harm, like, what would they do? Yeah, they can keep changing bank pixels around to piss us off but it's just as much work for us as it is for them…

Omg guys really don't joke on this, we have a real jagex dude, he can prove incredibly useful!
Hello dear sir mr. jagex staff member, I'd like to know how how random the random events are? Are they more like tossing a coin or rolling a dice? I doubt they're as random as lottery because that's too random to be coded to RuneScape unless you have some über lottery machine computer there too, I don't know.

Secondly I'd like to tell you your bot detection got me banned even though I didn't use any bot!! It was just a color clicker that clicked monster colors, but it wasn't a real runescape bot!!

Sincerely yours, marpis.

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From: n3ss3s
lol IceFire :p



But it's so funny how practically a Jagex spy within us wouldn't do us much harm, like, what would they do? Yeah, they can keep changing bank pixels around to piss us off but it's just as much work for us as it is for them…

It's cause we're uber l33t.

From: n3ss3s
lol IceFire :p

You deleted my post :-P

It's obvious fake though, still funny

From: Torrent of Flame
Dervish, shh. This guy is the most interesting potential troll we've ever had here.

Lol :P

I believe this guy, even though this is the internet

Back on topic..

I still disbelieve. I have a friend who is an ex-JMod :) He doesn't know I am on here though, he still doesn't share anything aside from hints.

Sure, I found out about the trade limit coming early, but nothing spectacular.

E: IceFire ninja'd me

From: Torrent of Flame
Dervish, shh. This guy is the most interesting potential troll we've ever had here.

Wrong quote ?

From: n3ss3s
lol IceFire :p


But it's so funny how practically a Jagex spy within us wouldn't do us much harm, like, what would they do? Yeah, they can keep changing bank pixels around to piss us off but it's just as much work for us as it is for them…

Randomizing fixed colors ? Changing forms of what we need ? Highlighting certain script spots ?

I can remember autorune :) (Though I was like 11 years old)
By the way did Aryan use mouse or did it use modified client to send the commands?
I used Aryan too but cant remember it too well :(

From: Who Wants To Know
Interesting idea, Jagex does not have magic powers ;) so if it's a human like how would they know? My guess if it's realistic enough it could help, but one slip up and the chat logs tell a good story ;)

I know this isn't a grand idea but what if someone uses a quick chat world then Jagex surly can't look at the chat log and what if we turn the public chat to off then Jagex will only rely on mouse movements and time played.;)

From: Qasim149
Did someone delete my post?

From: bionicle1800
Idn, someone deleted my post too ^.^

Yes and Yes, Off-topic Spam not needed…TY

Still not convinced…though you seem well articulated….Auto-Rune and Arayn did not share the same methods…therefore, the method you refered to, to Kill Arayn, was not the same as Auto-Rune…

Your ignorance to Auto-Responders astounds me, as you say it is partially the basis for detection ?

Troll on….

Not sharing Secrets are we Jagex Guy?
Blow our mind with something Astounding T.T lol.

From: RAM
Yes and Yes, Off-topic Spam not needed…TY

Wasn't off topic at all. I said pretty much what you said, although I chose to express my opinion with a picture.

This thread is win.
Hi Jagex Man. Does Jagex detect bytecode editing in the client, and is there any way that they have developed to see if a program is reflecting the client?

Here's a good one is RSBot detectable? Ive heard it is but i have never been banned using it

From: J_Pizzle
Here's a good one is RSBot detectable? Ive heard it is but i have never been banned using it

read the topic on RSBot by Quarters explaining how RSBot is not detectable…

Reply back with something that can't be deducted from an ordinary person with logic. (relating to the detection system lol)

I have a question, if you are a member and you get banned do you have more chance or the same chance of being unbanned as a free to play person?

Playing ignorant is the troll's attempt at pretending he has never been here before.

Same thing as when you mispell macro in the ban appeal form to make it look like you don't know what cheating is.

@troll
I meant server sided code, anyone and their mum can get the client code, but im just having a wild guess (sarcasm) that runescape don't have their macro detection client sided.

You said that a Jagex employee got in to SRL Members. On the application form it says: "Are you affilated in anyway with Jagex LTD?" yes or no. False information = sue for billion dollar, then say bye to rs then celebrate :).

From: BobboHobbo
You said that a Jagex employee got in to SRL Members. On the application form it says: "Are you affilated in anyway with Jagex LTD?" yes or no. False information = sue for billion dollar, then say bye to rs then celebrate :).

I don't think there is any agreement on this site about lying on the membership form.

Lol big deal if a Jagex member got SRL Members status, I'd be more suprised if there wasn't one.
Autorune was a packet editing bot, which was killed when Jagex started encrypting and messing around with the packets sent to and from the client and server.
Aryan mass-bans were because the aryan devs forcefully changed everyones UID to -1 and tipped Jagex off about it, because it was getting very out of hand. Aryan was killed after a runescape engine update, and it took a while for a new java bot to be made.

This is pretty common knowledge…makes me think you're trolling. You still havent given us anything we couldnt deduce from reading around rs cheating sites and the runescape kb a bit.

You were part of JaGeX's macro detection? I'd like to know new stuff, like what are the bot detection resources that run before you even get reported.

Also, juicy quotes would be nice ;)

So this was fake.

NO WAY! This was my idea for the first of april :(

Fail troll is fail

Seems like it was fake :(

Haha he hasn't responded in a while..

Obviously a fake, sort of had me going there for a little bit though :p

This thread is defiantly an interesting read.

A+!

Why are we keeping trolled ? I mean I still got nightmares because of the 31 December evening. :unsure:

Maybe someone needs to kidnap a (ex-)JMOD for some information ? The feather technique would be useful to squeeze some information out it :)

~Fun thread :p

This threadddd :p
Fun times
All my posts got deleted :p

From: Matsetst
Why are we keeping trolled ? I mean I still got nightmares because of the 31 December evening. :unsure:

Maybe someone needs to kidnap a (ex-)JMOD for some information ? The feather technique would be useful to squeeze some information out it :)

~Fun thread :p

I'm sure Jagex would come after us like they did with RsBot if we kidnapped one of their ex staff :p

finally, i have been arguing that it is too easy for jagex to see where our mouse goes, as the java client needs to know in order to know where you clicked. and dont completely trust him just yet, im a little suspicous of y he would want to be anonymous


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Originally Posted by Who Wants To Know View Post
Interesting idea, Jagex does not have magic powers so if it's a human like how would they know? My guess if it's realistic enough it could help, but one slip up and the chat logs tell agood story



Auto Rune was the first widespread macro system we took action against, similar bots that followed it were detected the same way. Perhaps that was one of them.



Oh no, most of the claims that you have read to be 'by Jagex' are by the Public Relations/Webiste people who either deliberately lie or have no idea what they are talking about. They also claimed there were no cheats for runescape Even though at one point there was investigations going on numerous websites and communities in the past.

The Lurker that got his status to 'yellow' on this website didn't reveal his account name, and if he did I probably wouldn't tell you. He was doing research on various different macroing methods he posted a few scripts he claimed were 'from the private section' a while back at our secret Jagex hideout
wouldnt tell… hmm, why would you say that, he meant his srl name, not real or runescape name.

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Originally Posted by Qasim149 View Post
So if we make our bots have better breakng times and they sucessfully solve all randoms plus that they don't go on for 24/7. We will have sucsessfully created a bot which is undetectable.
Second question, i remember jagex posted on their front page of runescape once that they can detect all bots and cheets. Please tell me if this is ture or not.

And something i am very intrested you must tell us your runescape mod username so we can check him up. All so tell us something about becomming a jAGEX MOD IS THERE ANYCODE OR SOMETHING IF SO PLEASE REVEALE THE SECRET ;-)
Dude.. What the..? Of course there is no "code" or secret way to become a jmod.. Only way to become a jmod is to begin working at their place @ cambridge.
It's been proved many times that SCAR can be undetectable/user not banned from using SCAR
i agree with that 'what the'. this person is an IDIOT. im sorry if i sound like an ass(well i guess there is no IF, i do sound like an ass) but use some common sense in your posts, why the hell would jgex make a code to become jmod. also, scar is OBVIOSLY undetectable to some extent since tons of people are using it.