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The EU as the greatest economic superpower is shown by having:

• 14 of the top 20 banks in the world;
• 178 of the top companies of the world as measure by the Global Fortune 500 (the U.S. has 140);
• a homicide rate that is 1/4 that in the U.S.;
• the 18 most developed countries in Europe all have more broader wealth distributed than the U.S.(the U.S. ranks 24th in the world);
• higher life expectancy than the U.S.;
• higher literacy rates than the U.S.;
• Higher quality of life than the U.S.

Also, Europeans provide 47% of all the humanitarian aid in the world.

It is also the largest exporter , and largest importer of goods and services, and the biggest trading partner to several large countries such as India and China. the gini index for the EU was estimated at 0.31, as a comparison the USA has 0.463, a surprising result since the EU has virtually no interstate income redistribution power and poorer new member states joined in 2004.

inb4 don't compare a continent to a country - the EU is a single economic entity, just like the US.

Discuss.

USA has more nukes.

From: Laur€ns
inb4 don't compare a continent to a country - the EU is a single economic entity, just like the US.Discuss.

Yea, but it wasn't always like that. For example; Italy has only recently switched from their currency to the Euro.

From: Brain
USA has more nukes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E

AND IM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW IM FREE






but seriously, can't we all just get along?

From: Laur€ns
The EU as the greatest economic superpower is shown by having:

• 14 of the top 20 banks in the world;
• 178 of the top companies of the world as measure by the Global Fortune 500 (the U.S. has 140);
• a homicide rate that is 1/4 that in the U.S.;
• the 18 most developed countries in Europe all have more broader wealth distributed than the U.S.(the U.S. ranks 24th in the world);
• higher life expectancy than the U.S.;
• higher literacy rates than the U.S.;
• Higher quality of life than the U.S.

Also, Europeans provide 47% of all the humanitarian aid in the world.

It is also the largest exporter , and largest importer of goods and services, and the biggest trading partner to several large countries such as India and China. the gini index for the EU was estimated at 0.31, as a comparison the USA has 0.463, a surprising result since the EU has virtually no interstate income redistribution power and poorer new member states joined in 2004.

inb4 don't compare a continent to a country - the EU is a single economic entity, just like the US.

Discuss.

Yup thats true. Even though the Dollar has been making a rebound the past week, gaining like 2% ish and a 3 month high against the Euro.

However since America loves going to war and invests all its money into war's, the Dollar wont go anywhere.

Eu>Us for a long time…

Economics, eh?

'Nuff said?

Good to hear it. That means the EU can fund all the global warming reforms.

The UN says that would be $45 trillion, the Center for Environmental Justice says $24 trillion.

Let's just split the difference and let the EU pony up $35 trillion and call it good.

Looks like it, and I think that is because of it's diversity. Decisions aren't randomly made, wars aren't randomly started, etc. There's is no "one" person in charge. More like a ``circle of wise men'', I like that. Even though quite some of them don't appear too `wise' to me. :)

@Tara: Just a random thought, how much has the US spent on the "War against terror"?
EDIT: Here we go: http://costofwar.com/

every dollar is worth it.

for every terrorist we kill, we save 2+ innocent lives, and the soldiers who killed him

for every ammo dump we destroy, we save hundreds.

those who say we spend to much on war have no cost on human life, and should be shot

From: Awkwardsaw
every dollar is worth it.

for every terrorist we kill, we save 2+ innocent lives, and the soldiers who killed him

for every ammo dump we destroy, we save hundreds.

those who say we spend to much on war have no cost on human life, and should be shot

What? Sir, Iraq had nothing to do with the "terrorist" attacks of 9/11 and we've spent nearly 1 trillion dollars in Iraq for no good reason what so ever.

And whats taking us so long to catch Osama bin Laden? Its almost been 9 years since we went into Afghanistan. Plus America has nukes. If those terrorists really could come to America dont you think will probably do some nukes like we did with japan in 1949-ish.

When you go to war you DO kill innocent people. So apparently you have no cost on human life and you should be shot.

From: blackelvis

but before you go flying off the handle bars just remember that the us is only spending about 5% of our GDP on military expenditures and is about on par with cyprus and greece, which are members of the eu. i couldnt really find a source that compared the eu to the us but, i can imagine it cant be more than a percent off of the us' budget/gdp. and dont even get me started on the middle east.

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=ms_mil_xpnd_gd_zs&idim=country:CYP:GRC:USA&tstart=567993600000&tunit=Y&tlen=20


and at the OP: people really shouldnt be pointing the finger at eachother, I agree, the size of our military budget is horrific, there are so many things that could be done with it rather than sending poor young men off to foreign lands to what basically amounts to picking on third world countires and to die or come back with ptsd/or crippling injuries. you have to realize that you cant just place the blame on america and just not fix your shit. you should lead by fucking example if you want things to change. write to your commisar or whatever the hell you have over there, and get involved. not just come down on high like you're god damned moses coming back from the mountaintop or something and hand down life lessons to us fucking sinners in the us.

From: Laur€ns
The EU as the greatest economic superpower is shown by having:

• 14 of the top 20 banks in the world;
• 178 of the top companies of the world as measure by the Global Fortune 500 (the U.S. has 140);
• a homicide rate that is 1/4 that in the U.S.;
• the 18 most developed countries in Europe all have more broader wealth distributed than the U.S.(the U.S. ranks 24th in the world);
• higher life expectancy than the U.S.;
• higher literacy rates than the U.S.;
• Higher quality of life than the U.S.

Also, Europeans provide 47% of all the humanitarian aid in the world.

It is also the largest exporter , and largest importer of goods and services, and the biggest trading partner to several large countries such as India and China. the gini index for the EU was estimated at 0.31, as a comparison the USA has 0.463, a surprising result since the EU has virtually no interstate income redistribution power and poorer new member states joined in 2004.

inb4 don't compare a continent to a country - the EU is a single economic entity, just like the US.

Discuss.

Source?

I think we can all agree London is low-tier, lololol enjoy your 10,000 cameras watching you every time you go outside lololol no privacy lolol 1984 roflrofl.

On topic: Once China and EU make oil traded in another currency, then we will see the power swing to other nations.

From: Awkwardsaw
every dollar is worth it.

for every terrorist we kill, we save 2+ innocent lives, and the soldiers who killed him

for every ammo dump we destroy, we save hundreds.

those who say we spend to much on war have no cost on human life, and should be shot

Better spend your money on poor people in Africa.. The price to save an innocent life is only a few bucks there.

From: Awkwardsaw
every dollar is worth it.

for every terrorist we kill, we save 2+ innocent lives, and the soldiers who killed him

for every ammo dump we destroy, we save hundreds.

those who say we spend to much on war have no cost on human life, and should be shot

1. Source
2. What about the thousands of innocent lives lost in war? Civilians and soldiers alike.
3. What about the effect of all the deaths on immediate families, friends and public morale?

You're also forgetting the reason the US invaded afghanistan - assuming 9/11 wasnt an inside job, and the supposed vids from osama are not false, then it was because of america's involvement in places they dont belong in the first place that the war started.

If you think war has a net decrease on the amount of pain and suffering in the world you are wrong (apart from in extreme cases like genocide, but no one really cares about genocide, so don't use the jews in WW2 as an example - look at what happened in Rwanda)

Edit - Unless by "terrorist" you mean the US warlord George Bush and his willing cronies, and you're not using it as a simple blanket term for all the people killed in afghanistan/iraq that you have been tricked into using by years of media propaganda

the best is that Eu have not terrorist attack,and have good security (NATO). The best live in country where aren't terorist attack… like in Norway,Sweeden,Netherlands,UK…

Canada > all y'all
pwnt?

From: m4r1us
the best is that Eu have not terrorist attack,and have good security (NATO). The best live in country where aren't terorist attack… like in Norway,Sweeden,Netherlands,UK…

ROFL, this makes little sense….not just the bad grammar (forgivable, since english probably isn't your first language) but even worse…you realize that the USA is a MEMBER of NATO?! In fact, NATO was founded in Washington DC (source)….
wow, some people these days…

We have Microsoft, Apple Inc, Valve, Activision Blizzard. USA's computer technology advancement > EU's.

According the HEEACT's 2009 results (they judge scientific performance based on research productivity, research impact, and research excellence) USA held 36 of the top 50 universities in the world.

From: scubajesus
We have Microsoft, Apple Inc, Valve, Activision Blizzard. USA's computer technology advancement > EU's.

According the HEEACT's 2009 results (they judge scientific performance based on research productivity, research impact, and research excellence) USA held 36 of the top 50 universities in the world.

You have Micro$oft; You have just proven Laurens right. Apple is just another nazi company. Blizzard and Valve make ok games… Does that make the USA any better when it comes to science?
We have Linus Torvalds.

EDIT: Ironically how Apple and Microsoft are fighting to restrict your Freedom on the computer, yet they come from the most "free" country in the world…

America has…………….

Ok, I'm out of idea's

From: scubajesus
We have Microsoft, Apple Inc, Valve, Activision Blizzard. USA's computer technology advancement > EU's.

According the HEEACT's 2009 results (they judge scientific performance based on research productivity, research impact, and research excellence) USA held 36 of the top 50 universities in the world.

And your health care is bankrupt.
You along with china are contributing to over half of the worlds production of greenhouse gasses
You still carry around guns afraid for your life
You had 'Bush' as a president. Need i say more?

From: Wizzup?
You have Micro$oft; You have just proven Laurens right. Apple is just another nazi company. Blizzard and Valve make ok games… Does that make the USA any better when it comes to science?
We have Linus Torvalds.

Win.

From: Wizzup?
You have Micro$oft; You have just proven Laurens right. Apple is just another nazi company. Blizzard and Valve make ok games… Does that make the USA any better when it comes to science?
We have Linus Torvalds.

EDIT: Ironically how Apple and Microsoft are fighting to restrict your Freedom on the computer, yet they come from the most "free" country in the world…

We've got BEAVERS.

k…actually we've got…actually i have no idea :p petro-canada?

I didn't say the two were connected.
The biggest problem to hit our economy would be trying to help out in Eurasia. We were pretty isolated when WW I happened, we got rich by selling military equipment. Eventually we actually got involved, after the war we went into recession.
Same with WW II, but it resulted in the Great Depression.
Now we're trying to stop terrorism and fix all the problems in Iraq, and our economy is suffering. The US needs to just stop caring about the European and Asian conflicts.


Edit: Here you go bionicle.

From: scubajesus
I didn't say the two were connected.
The biggest problem to hit our economy would be trying to help out in Eurasia. We were pretty isolated when WW I happened, we got rich by selling military equipment. Eventually we actually got involved, after the war we went into recession.
Same with WW II, but it resulted in the Great Depression.
Now we're trying to stop terrorism and fix all the problems in Iraq, and our economy is suffering. The US needs to just stop caring about the European and Asian conflicts.


Edit: Here you go bionicle.

The US started a war on "terror" so they could suck oil and other resources from the Middle East. I don't see how it relates to Europe and Asia.

And the entire "don't care about the rest of the world" attitude is total bullshit. We only have one earth, and we should all safeguard it.

The war on terrorism got us over there, and now we're trying to solve all the problems there are. i.e. Sunni-Shiite relations.

My "stop caring" statement was poorly worded, I mean to say that we really shouldn't be throwing our economy into the filled portable toilet at every conflict we can. Right now we should be focusing on our own country, improving quality of life, creating more panels to harness solar energy, etc. before we swirl ourselves into even more trillions of dollars in debt.

From: Wizzup?
And the entire "don't care about the rest of the world" attitude is total bullshit. We only have one earth, and we should all safeguard it.

No matter how much altruism is regarded as "good," it is still an invalid argument; it can't be proven.

From: Brain
ROFL, this makes little sense….not just the bad grammar (forgivable, since english probably isn't your first language) but even worse…you realize that the USA is a MEMBER of NATO?! In fact, NATO was founded in Washington DC (source)….
wow, some people these days…

yup it is not. it's 3rd… but i mean eu is safest than usa. Not wars.. no terrorist attacks and etc…

From: scubajesus
The war on terrorism got us over there, and now we're trying to solve all the problems there are. i.e. Sunni-Shiite relations.

My "stop caring" statement was poorly worded, I mean to say that we really shouldn't be throwing our economy into the filled portable toilet at every conflict we can. Right now we should be focusing on our own country, improving quality of life, creating more panels to harness solar energy, etc. before we swirl ourselves into even more trillions of dollars in debt.

America is a Christian nation. The conflicts between the Sunni and Shiite's should not be America's problem. The problem with America is that it simply cannot mind it's own business. If it really DID care about the world it would start off with Africa.

America is almost at war with 4 nations:
Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan. If the war between Iran got serious then I think it should be the down fall of America since it CANNOT afford it.

Actually, if it cared about the world it'd go fuck with China and make them get their shit straight about green technology. THEN, once the technology exists, we go develop Africa the right way so we don't have to do it over.

From: Wizzup?
The US started a war on "terror" so they could suck oil and other resources from the Middle East. I don't see how it relates to Europe and Asia.

And the entire "don't care about the rest of the world" attitude is total bullshit. We only have one earth, and we should all safeguard it.

^ This. There is no war on terror. The war is against the Iraqi people. More innocent men, women and children have been killed than terrorists by far, and they weren't killed by Iraqis.. It's not a war, it's the murder of civilians, in my opinion, the real terrorists are the soldiers responsible for those deaths. There are far more real terrorist threats over here in the west than there are in the middle-east. Maybe we need another civil war? I think not.

However, we shouldn't get into an argument over which is the better country/continent/group of countries. Europe is superior in many ways to America, just as America is in many ways superior to Europe. I'm from England but I openly admit that England has made as many mistakes as the US, if not more. We have a ridiculously inept government, along with several huge failures, such as our education system and our media. On the plus side, we do have the NHS - and although it has it's flaws, when that day comes when you need free health-care, you see just why the NHS really is good. America is working towards the decriminalisation and legalisation of Cannabis, which will be a huge step forward when it finally happens, however over here in the UK the opposite is happening, and media bias is pushing the government to make stupid decisions, such as the sacking of their own drug czar, who himself said that Cannabis is far less dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol and that the legislation should reflect this.

There are two "real" countries in this world. Babylon, which is all of civilisation where laws and money are present, this form of society is full of corruption, evil deeds, and general fallacies. Zion on the other hand is the few parts of the world that have managed to keep themselves away from this, and have remained isolated and untouched. It is through love and friendship that those who still wish to be a part of Zion manage to break free from modern society and do just that. Arguing over which part of Babylon is the best/worst is like arguing over which murderer you'd trust to babysit your children, the answer is none.

I love how everyone that isn't American hates the US. It's great.

From: mormonman
I love how everyone that isn't American hates the US. It's great.

It's cause the USA is the stereotypical problem makers of this earth :p

From: bionicle1800
It's cause the USA is the stereotypical problem makers of this earth :p

I didn't start the war on terror. I don't release massive amounts of greenhouse gases. I definitely didn't vote for Bush, as I was like 12. Plus Kerry or Gore would have been way worse.

From: mormonman
I didn't start the war on terror. I don't release massive amounts of greenhouse gases. I definitely didn't vote for Bush, as I was like 12. Plus Kerry or Gore would have been way worse.

A stereotype is a assumption that every single person of that class is the same, in this case most people stereotype that every US citizen is bad, which is not the case. It is just certain people, and with the large amount of industry in the US, this causes all the greenhouse gasses. I'm not bashing the US, I'm just saying what the world-wide stereotype is.

From: mormonman
I love how everyone that isn't American hates the US. It's great.

me too.

People say that America shouldnt be doing such things because its none of their business, so they should leave it to the people whose business it is…but if USA is in trouble because they're doing it, then shouldnt the people who ought to be doing it…well…be doing it?

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/health_care_budget_2010_1.html#usgs30210
Mil budget is 5.9% of total budget on 2010. Almost 6%.

Compare here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget

Budgets 2006 for NATO countries in billions of US dollars

United States of America 667.7
United Kingdom 57.670
France 54.592
Germany 38.145

Here's from 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_federations_by_military_expenditures

From: kingarabian
Yup thats true. Even though the Dollar has been making a rebound the past week, gaining like 2% ish and a 3 month high against the Euro.

However since America loves going to war and invests all its money into war's, the Dollar wont go anywhere.

Eu>Us for a long time…

This. I'm American, but the title of your thread is pretty obvious to the world already. Thanks for rubbing it in.

I heard somebody talking about science in the UK.
America is full of creationists. nuff said

The US is the only western democracy which does not yet have a public health care service.


On the other hand, as far as I can tell, people in Europe dont really take seriously the values of the enlightenment of freedom of thought and expression. In many European countries there are laws which make crimes of thoughts and writing.

For some reason in the US we reeaaly like to keep our freedom of speech as law, even though our society essentially bans it.

Yeah, especially how the riot squads are called out every time there's a rally…

British football > Soccer.

From: Laur€ns;667041
It is also the largest exporter , and largest importer of goods and services, and the biggest trading partner to several large countries such as India and China. the gini index for the EU was estimated at 0.31, as a comparison the USA has 0.463, a surprising result since the EU has virtually no interstate income redistribution power and poorer new member states joined in 2004.

Copy & Paste, lolwat?
Oh, and I'm American but would probably prefer living in Europe (I haven't been there tho so idk)

From: Pompey
British football > Soccer.

Can't argue with that logic. Fuck, guys, let's go to Europe right now!

Anyway. (And I hope you know I'm just messing with you, Pompey. ;)) I think that every country is fucked in their own way. And if everyone here from the US moved to EU, and vice versa, then it'd be the same arguments, just different people arguing. ;) Sooooo.. America's government may be a little naive, or even idiotic, cruel, however you want to phrase it, or it may be a thoughtful government, depending on how you were raised and how your peers act, and what the media says. If you think those factors (guardians, peers, media, etc.) don't effect it, then you should get out of your little box. :) But whatever.

Smoke moar, chill out.

:garfield:

A lot of countries are better then the US.