SRL Archive - Suggestions

Does anyone know if schools teach pascal, still?

If so, wouldn't this be worth it to try and market into school systems for learning pascal? If the project can get progress to that point?

Its a free piece of software, why wouldn't schools want that ;)

This being said, I'm assuming the MML would be left out if that were the case, maybe just Input things kept.

Anyways.. ideas?

From: Nava2
Does anyone know if schools teach pascal, still?

If so, wouldn't this be worth it to try and market into school systems for learning pascal? If the project can get progress to that point?

Its a free piece of software, why wouldn't schools want that ;)

This being said, I'm assuming the MML would be left out if that were the case, maybe just Input things kept.

Anyways.. ideas?

FYI: MML = Everything.

And I don't really see this tool being used on schools just yet… It's not even near finished. :)

With the new method my school is going to use, Lazarus will be a programming chapter. I don't know if they're actually going to teach it, but why not?

From: nielsie95
With the new method my school is going to use, Lazarus will be a programming chapter. I don't know if they're actually going to teach it, but why not?

Lazarus, really? Wow, that's pretty cool.
Did you recommend it?

In the business world the most commonly used are php, c++ and java. With this information, I'm guessing that schools and universities will be moving towards those too.

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
In the business world the most commonly used are php, c++ and java. With this information, I'm guessing that schools and universities will be moving towards those too.

~RM

Business world != Education though.
95% of all real (read: commonly used) programs are still written in C.

Thing is, pascal is a great language to use for learning programming logic. It is easier on the eyes for new programmers as well.

From: Wizzup?
Business world != Education though.
95% of all real (read: commonly used) programs are still written in C.

I guess it is a matter of what time scale we are looking at it from.
It would be pointless to educate people (school - uni) on things that are not used in more advanced stages of their lives (workplace) therefore education will move towards whatever is being used in the 'real world'.

Programmers themselves will drop older languages as work forces them to use newer/different ones, meaning that most commonly used programs would be written in different languages.

However, as we aren't looking at this for any time more than 5 years, I doubt the changes in education will affect us much >.>

As most programmers would use C (according to you, no opinion on this) it might not be a bad idea to move towards C, however these would be experienced programmers which are likely to be older than or at least our age, meaning that they would not be the most common 'customer' for botting.

Perhaps keeping it to Pascal Script as it is easier to learn would be our best bet for now, as most people joining SRL are usually quite young, and therefore an easier language to learn benefits both us and them.

I'm high and doing management coursework. You can only imagine how indepth I went for this entire post >.< I nearly felt tempted to cite and do a management summary >.>

EDIT:

From: Wizzup?

The real world uses C.
just a fyi

I was under the impression that the real world was moving towards java and c++ as that is what IT students at my uni are being forced to learn. Either way, the final point is still valid :p

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
I guess it is a matter of what time scale we are looking at it from.
It would be pointless to educate people (school - uni) on things that are not used in more advanced stages of their lives (workplace) therefore education will move towards whatever is being used in the 'real world'.

The real world uses C(++), though. :)
It's just that Java is a temporarily hype in business if they want something to be done quickly… And it's not a bad starters language.

From: Rasta Magician
Programmers themselves will drop older languages as work forces them to use newer/different ones, meaning that most commonly used programs would be written in different languages.

Possibly. But the real stuff happens in C nevertheless. :p
What I mean is, you can't write low level stuff in Java. It's usually quite ok for other stuff, but even then it's often better to use C (or C++).

From: Rasta Magician


However, as we aren't looking at this for any time more than 5 years, I doubt the changes in education will affect us much >.>

As most programmers would use C (according to you, no opinion on this) it might not be a bad idea to move towards C, however these would be experienced programmers which are likely to be older than or at least our age, meaning that they would not be the most common 'customer' for botting.

Possible @ forcing to move. I for one know that at microsoft you MUST code in C#. :p

From: Rasta Magician

Perhaps keeping it to Pascal Script as it is easier to learn would be our best bet for now, as most people joining SRL are usually quite young, and therefore an easier language to learn benefits both us and them.
~RM

I don't think we were discussing a change of language for SRL. :p
Pascal is fine.

Is there really a difference in Simba becoming an educational tool to teach programming skills and it being an easy to use but powerful interpreter? No matter how much you want to say yes, if you think of the aims of both, they cross over a lot, but the difference being that Simba is ultimately for macroing, not for programming/scripting. It won't teach people how to effectively access files or the like and only teach basic programming skills like understanding looping, modularity and the like.

Just my penny.

The time period where one learns Pascal, if at all, is elementary school, and only in gifted programs. The nuts who thought everyone would be programming computers got overthrown, I guess.


EDIT: learn me a book!

Whether or not they want pascal in schools, they won't want something that has anything to do with cheating.

Then they should not let women attend school.

AP CompSci is java.

Few people 'in the real world' care about pascal anymore..

My uncle who works for a hospital support company writes the programs the hospitals use, they still use Cobol :/

~Camo

Schools probably use software that can build actual executable programs, rather than just macros.

From: marpis
Schools probably use software that can build actual executable programs, rather than just macros.

Like Lazarus. When I have some time, I'll make a small tutorial on how to make your own exe's with the Mufasa Macro Library.