SRL Archive - Discussions and Debates

Mission: To recreate SCAR with improved speed and better functionality fully compatible with SCAR and SRL and become a drop in replacement for SCAR.

Feaures: This project will provide support for:
- Multi threading
- Much faster than SCAR.
- Easier scripting environment.

License: I hope to make this a semi-open source project but will easily change that if people don't want it to be.

Language: The project will be created using Delphi.

This project is pretty large and can not be completed by me alone. I need other people to be a part of it and form as a team. If you are interested in this project, good with the Pascal programming language and want to help out the community, please PM me or post on this thread. I would greatly appreciate it if people were interested in this project as I am taking this seriously.




@ Kaitnieks/Freddy1990: If Kaitnieks/Freddy1990 would even consider trusting me with the SCAR source code, I would gladly help put in multi threading in even without credit. All I want to do is help contribute to the community and make SCAR better for everyone.

You would need the source to do that, unless you started from scratch.. Also SCAR is copyright, and Kaitnieks would have to approve of you using the code if you de-compiled SCAR. If it was open-source it would be easier to sell on E-bay and stuff.. Also, people could add key loggers and stuff, which would be frowned upon.

Yeah, too many problems. Just enjoy it the way it is. Methinks he wants to make it run on Linux ;)

From: Ruroken
Yeah, too many problems. Just enjoy it the way it is. Methinks he wants to make it run on Linux ;)

True, I'd like to run it on Linux. But what I'm thinking is to make something from scratch. Kaitnieks or what's his face, he'll have nothing to do with it. Just Open SCAR and SRL. Lol, decompile it, great idea, but I bet the code is too hard to work with since it's very high level stuff. There are not too many vector calculations or algorithms going on to decompile. The output will probably be of little use. None the less, I'll give it a go.

Or, we could make it closed source to only SRL members or something.

Edit: and how do you become an SRL dev?

From: solarwind
Kaitnieks or what's his face

:fiery: "whats his face"?! you owe him, big time. This community wouldnt exist if it wasnt for "whats his face". He wrote scar, the focal point of the forums….

Double post as well…


@ Dev Question : I have been asking that for over 3 months. The answer has been : "helpful to the community, excellent scripter, use of standards, and RESPECT (TIP : Dont call respected members of the RS cheating community a "what's his face")."

From: Ruroken
:fiery: "whats his face"?! you owe him, big time. This community wouldnt exist if it wasnt for "whats his face". He wrote scar, the focal point of the forums….

Double post as well…


@ Dev Question : I have been asking that for over 3 months. The answer has been : "helpful to the community, excellent scripter, use of standards, and RESPECT (TIP : Dont call respected members of the RS cheating community a "what's his face")."

Oh well. Let's not argue over petty things. That's not the point of this thread. And besides, respect is in the… umm… "eye"? … of the.. um… giver…

You can write your own SCAR, I would write it in java. Goodluck ;)

Yeah, good idea, but getting the pascal interpreter to work in Java is going to be hard. Just look at iSCAR for iBot. They haven't even gotten down the language basics yet, I presume. Either Lazarus/Delphi will be easier. And with Lazarus, i can run on Linux too.

Ok but you might upset Kaitnieks and since its copyright it could go to court….so i think you should ask him first…then if he says sure…fiill your boots with makin it run on linux…but if he says no….i really suggest you dont try……

From: Ruroken
:fiery: "whats his face"?! you owe him, big time. This community wouldnt exist if it wasnt for "whats his face". He wrote SCAR, the focal point of the forums….

Agreed. :mad:

Im sure the next SCAR will be released when "Whats this face" has some more time to complete it ;)

From: Starblaster100
Im sure the next SCAR will be released when "Whats this face" has some more time to complete it ;)

:D Glad to hear it.

From: Hobbit
Ok but you might upset Kaitnieks and since its copyright it could go to court….so i think you should ask him first…then if he says sure…fiill your boots with makin it run on linux…but if he says no….i really suggest you dont try……

Don't try what? I don't want to copy it, I want to make my own, better one. Even if no one likes it and no one cares, I want to still try and see how it goes. Besides, you can't go to court for what I'm doing, I'll promise you that.

Don't bother, check your debug box…

From: Boreas
Don't bother, check your debug box…

Omg Pwnt pl0x? Great, new SCAR version.

I cant wait. I'll still try to fool around with stuff though, to see what happens.

From: solarwind
Yeah, good idea, but getting the pascal interpreter to work in Java is going to be hard. Just look at iSCAR for iBot. They haven't even gotten down the language basics yet, I presume. Either Lazarus/Delphi will be easier. And with Lazarus, i can run on Linux too.

It would be stupid to write a pascal interpreter in Java when you could easily write a program to convert SCAR scripts into java sourcecode and then compile it. If ruler was smart this is what he would do.

As for iscar, we are making very good progress.

We are getting no help from anyone in this community. The SRL devs seem more determined to make scar bettter and/or work for sythe on his project.

All the people that have access to scar source wont even give out the compression library name it uses.

By a act of god we got a break, Ace from Cruels.net has informed me that scar uses ZLIB for compression.

As for the pascal interpreter in Java, it was not done by us. It is only a matter of attaching methods to ibot methods for it to work. Once dtm and bitmaptostring work, only .dll's will be left. The lanuage is done, and is much more advance, however no one has attached the methods.

As of now supporting scar scripts is not a goal, more interested in porting the logic.

As for a new scar, i am interested to see its performance.

Yeah, I looked a bit into that a while ago. And I be exact, I think it uses zlib v1.2.3
http://www.dellapasqua.com/delphizlib/

lol… thanks to ppl saving versions as constants… :D
I never looked into exactly how it was used however. :P But that may be easier to figure.

And ya, writing a SCAR clone would be easiest in Delphi.
But as far as simply being able to run SCAR scripts, it's your language of choice as long as you can find a good pascal interpreter for it.

From: moparisthebest
[…] when you could easily write a program to convert SCAR scripts into java sourcecode and then compile it. If ruler was smart this is what he would do.

That is a smart idea. A damn smart idea. If we could do that, we could run 'em on iBot. And in Java, how do you make the mouse move, not in a client, but just around the screen, like SCAR? The Robot class looks like something… but what?

From: Cruel
Yeah, I looked a bit into that a while ago. And I be exact, I think it uses zlib v1.2.3
http://www.dellapasqua.com/delphizlib/

lol… thanks to ppl saving versions as constants… :D
I never looked into exactly how it was used however. :P But that may be easier to figure.

And ya, writing a SCAR clone would be easiest in Delphi.
But as far as simply being able to run SCAR scripts, it's your language of choice as long as you can find a good pascal interpreter for it.

It uses ZLib for what?

Exclude SCAR from filename please, SCAR is copyrighted to kaitnieks, and only HE can use that name ;-)

THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE SCAR! ONE AND ONLY! Creating copies will be stupid, rather ask kaitnieks to hand out source to someone qualified to continue with SCAR's development…

AFAIK, SCAR is written in delphi, so recreating same would be easy in delphi as it's been proven to work ;-)

Bah, I don't know what to say… go ahead make it, I for sure know that I won't use it so … I better GTFO…

http://villu-reborn.com/showthread.php?t=5996
New scar is coming. just wait

"Whats his face" was nice enough to trust Freddy with scarcode and they made some nice changes and stuff.
Hoorah

From: c0de
Exclude SCAR from filename please, SCAR is copyrighted to kaitnieks, and only HE can use that name ;-)

THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE SCAR! ONE AND ONLY! Creating copies will be stupid, rather ask kaitnieks to hand out source to someone qualified to continue with SCAR's development…

AFAIK, SCAR is written in delphi, so recreating same would be easy in delphi as it's been proven to work ;-)

Bah, I don't know what to say… go ahead make it, I for sure know that I won't use it so … I better GTFO…

1) I don't give a crap about the name because technically, it's all just pixels, if I change the font, done, it's unique. The pixels could be interpreted however you like. If you interpret them in such a way, it is your fault. Beat that.

2) Would you use it if my version had multiprocessing/multithreading? Multithreading is awesome because there could be a whole different thread just for antirandoms. Pwnt pl0x?

3) I know, what's his face would never trust me with the SCAR source code because he does not know me and there is no point even trying asking him for the code. Even if I wanted to help, I know the answer, he wouldn't let me even see it.

4) Why would I attempt to make a clone of SCAR? Simple, it doesn't work for me. (Well, it works, but it could seriously be improved).

From: ruler
The SRL devs seem more determined to make scar bettter and/or work for sythe on his project.

In case you didn't notice, Sythe approached us with an offer and we gave him a resounding NO immediately.

From: ruler

As for the pascal interpreter in Java, it was not done by us. It is only a matter of attaching methods to ibot methods for it to work.

Oh, Well if it was already written for you then I would have used it too. I thought you were wasting your time writing a full fledged pascal interpreter, sorry about that.

From: solarwind
That is a smart idea. A damn smart idea. If we could do that, we could run 'em on iBot. And in Java, how do you make the mouse move, not in a client, but just around the screen, like SCAR? The Robot class looks like something… but what?

The Robot class would function just like SCAR, moving the mouse and keyboard and such. But it would also give us the great ability to have a 100% undetectable, fully functioning 'silent mouse' by creating fake events, you could use the input package from Cherokee

Yeah, iBot is using methods from the epascal package. epascal is a pascal interpreter written in Java. Lol, writing an interpreter takes a lot of time. One thing though, in SCAR, I wonder how the interpreter works. Is it a full fledged interpreter? Or is it it's own interpreter made in Delphi?

Damn, I really want multi threading.

Alright, I decided I'm going to use Delphi (not Lazarus because it is too early in development stage) to attempt to design a clone of SCAR. I'm doing this for one and only one purpose: To improve on SCAR's already wonderful features for the SRL community. For example, a big reason for me to attempt make one is to support multi threading. I've seen iBot's potential for multi threading. It's just awesome, but I want to make something for the people who like the Pascal language and for the people who like/want to stick with SRL.

Here I go. This project may never be finished/released. It's a try, I hope to make it a damn good try.

Edit: Where do you get the latest Delphi full version? The links on Cruel's are dead.

solarwind-i have the code to find bitmaps/colors, move/click mouse, and keyboard presses in linux.

what is sythes project?

and, what exactly is cherokee?

solar what features are you going add besides the ones freddy is adding in divi?

lard theres a thread made by sythe about it

From: lardmaster
solarwind-i have the code to find bitmaps/colors, move/click mouse, and keyboard presses in linux.

what is sythes project?

and, what exactly is cherokee?

OMG! You've got to send it to me!!! (the code for Linux)

From: Boreas
solar what features are you going add besides the ones freddy is adding in divi?

lard theres a thread made by sythe about it

Lol, a lot of useful stuff. The first thing is multi threading. The next thing I'll try to improve speed/B]. With multi threading, you'll be able to do stuff you never thought possible. For example, you could devote an entire thread just for finding randoms and never have to worry about that in your script again! Another thing is having one thread move the mouse and the other thread find colours/stuff.

Ah, ok. I'm working on the same thing cept 2 scars with ISM, wanna race? lol

From: Boreas
Ah, ok. I'm working on the same thing cept 2 scars with ISM, wanna race? lol

You'll probably win. 2 SCAR windows would work, but very hard to work with since you constantly need to communicate. Multi threading is much easier and better.

Yea I know lol. It's slow but I'm getting there. Also it's harder for noobs to use.

Yeah it is. I updated my first post. I hope someone notices.

Cherokee's input has many flaws. I told you some of them in irc.

In case you didn't notice, Sythe approached us with an offer and we gave him a resounding NO immediately.

in case you didn't notice some of the srl devs liked the idea and are working with him.

I would first focus on why scar is so slow.

From: ruler

in case you didn't notice some of the srl devs liked the idea and are working with him.

That doesn't mean SRL supports it.. Some of the Developers worked with Sythe before this site was ever alive, that doesn't mean anything. I appreciate you and Sythe trying to further the cheating community, but I am fine with SCAR..

I know, everyone likes SCAR, but it can be improved a lot. That's why I'm trying to make a clone and improve it a lot!

And Lardmaster, can you PM me the codes for Linux?

From: lardmaster
solarwind-i have the code to find bitmaps/colors, move/click mouse, and keyboard presses in linux.

what is sythes project?

and, what exactly is cherokee?

If it is written in delphi you can't compile it into a linux executable anyway can you?

Scarscape, it is highly detectable and he charges way too much for 5 minutes of programming.

Cherokee is an automation system I wrote that works on any java applets, you simply have to write 2 classes to get it to work on any applet.

From: ruler
Cherokee's input has many flaws. I told you some of them in irc.


in case you didn't notice some of the srl devs liked the idea and are working with him.

Not being able to post events to more than 1 applet in the same jvm is not a flaw, and the static event generation methods are independent of that. If you really want to send events to more than one applet It is a matter of changing about 6 lines of code.

I don't know about a few SRL devs, but SRL told Sythe no.

Solarwind you really pissing me and boreas of
You beter watch who you are talking to when you flam, and learn K_A_I_T_N_I_E_K_s name.
If it wasnt for him you wouldnt have even though of this.
You beter respect him and all of the other veteran SRL members.
Especial Kait…

And as for your "updates"
Just wait for Scar Divi, and your dreams will come true, except for linux stuff…

From: yohojo8
Solarwind you really pissing me and boreas of
You beter watch who you are talking to when you flam, and learn K_A_I_T_N_I_E_K_s name.
If it wasnt for him you wouldnt have even though of this.
You beter respect him and all of the other veteran SRL members.
Especial Kait…

And as for your "updates"
Just wait for Scar Divi, and your dreams will come true, except for linux stuff…

Hey Yohojo, I'll tell you this, I respect you and Boreas a lot, but I do not care who I piss off, especially when I'm trying to help the community. What's his face (don't ask me why I call him that, but don't assume it's out of disrespect) did a good job with SCAR, a very good job, I agree, but it can be improved a lot. All I want to do is improve on it. Besides, Divi or whatever will not have multi threading in it, which is, in my opinion, another pile of crap, especially compared to iBot. I know a lot of people appreciate pascal as a language and therefore like SCAR. I want to make something that has some more much needed features in it. And by the way, SCAR would never have been created if it were not for the guy who invented Pascal. Everyone starts somewhere.

ALGOL -> Delphi (RAD) -> Pascal -> SCAR -> SRL -> SRL Scripts
'————————————–'-> My version of SCAR

From: moparisthebest
If it is written in delphi you can't compile it into a linux executable anyway can you?

Scarscape, it is highly detectable and he charges way too much for 5 minutes of programming.

Cherokee is an automation system I wrote that works on any java applets, you simply have to write 2 classes to get it to work on any applet.



Not being able to post events to more than 1 applet in the same jvm is not a flaw, and the static event generation methods are independent of that. If you really want to send events to more than one applet It is a matter of changing about 6 lines of code.

I don't know about a few SRL devs, but SRL told Sythe no.

Hey Mopar, thansk for posting. There is another one of Borland's products called Kylix (outdated and discontinued). It is supposed to be based on Delphi but works with Linux and windows. I'll see what I can do with that. Thanks for pointing that out.

Edit: Kylix is useless for our purpose.

I'll also look into your Cherokee project. It seems interesting.

And if I may be delivering a wrong impression of myself, here is the correction:
- I do not hate SRL or SCAR, I love SRL, the community and I love to help the community.
- I think SCAR is ok. I don't hate it, I want to improve upon its ideas.
- I love iBot simply because it pwns SCAR a million times over.

From: solarwind

And if I may be delivering a wrong impression of myself, here is the correction:
- I do not hate SRL or SCAR, I love SRL, the community and I love to help the community.
- I think SCAR is ok. I don't hate it, I want to improve upon its ideas.
- I love iBot simply because it pwns SCAR a million times over.

Your attitude here is terrible giving us all the impression that you dont really love this community. Respect all people, with whatever they post.

From: Whateveryournameis

I do not care who I piss off, especially when I'm trying to help the community

You are not helping the community at all with this attitude.

From: .

What's his face (don't ask me why I call him that, but don't assume it's out of disrespect)

Someone started the phrase "Whats his face" and the devs carried it on mainly because the first person to use it was someone who was still referring to Kaitnieks whilst we were all referring to Freddy. It was to keep the secret and mystery of it alive.

From: .

Besides, Divi or whatever will not have multi threading in it, which is, in my opinion, another pile of crap, especially compared to iBot

Why do you always have to compare everything to something else? So what if iBot is faster, or can multi thread or can hack the damn world. No one here cares. This is a SCAR community. Freddy and Kaitnieks have worked their asses off to complete SCAR, and in my opinion they are awesome. I dont care how fast SCAR is and i dont care how inefficient it is because i dont create scripts to get pixels on online games. I use it because i love scripting in it, how easy it is and how well it flows. SCAR is completely free and available to everyone. I don't have to install loads of crap onto my system to use it and it isn't Runescape specific.

From: you

I know, everyone likes SCAR, but it can be improved a lot. That's why I'm trying to make a clone and improve it a lot!

no one cares.

From: you

3) I know, what's his face would never trust me with the SCAR source code because he does not know me and there is no point even trying asking him for the code. Even if I wanted to help, I know the answer, he wouldn't let me even see it.

You're right, he wouldn't.

Sort out your attitude, or leave this community. You aren't contributing and you aren't helping.

Yea, solar, if ur such an ibot fan than don't come here because we aren't an ibot community, we're here for scar, and even though ibot is faster than scar, scar will live forever, which is not something you can say with certainty for ibot, as for a clone, i wouldn't bother, by the time ur done with it, if ever it'll be 2 times as slow as scar and i'm improving scar anyway

From: Freddy1990
Yea, solar, if ur such an ibot fan than don't come here because we aren't an ibot community, we're here for scar, and even though ibot is faster than scar, scar will live forever, which is not something you can say with certainty for ibot, as for a clone, i wouldn't bother, by the time ur done with it, if ever it'll be 2 times as slow as scar and i'm improving scar anyway

Why do you think it'll be twice as slow as scar? What's his face had no code runtime optimization. And as I said, scar is a pascal three stage line digest interpreter, making it very slow, but scar is worse than expected.

From: Starblaster100
Your attitude here is terrible giving us all the impression that you dont really love this community. Respect all people, with whatever they post.



You are not helping the community at all with this attitude.



Someone started the phrase "Whats his face" and the devs carried it on mainly because the first person to use it was someone who was still referring to Kaitnieks whilst we were all referring to Freddy. It was to keep the secret and mystery of it alive.



Why do you always have to compare everything to something else? So what if iBot is faster, or can multi thread or can hack the damn world. No one here cares. This is a SCAR community. Freddy and Kaitnieks have worked their asses off to complete SCAR, and in my opinion they are awesome. I dont care how fast SCAR is and i dont care how inefficient it is because i dont create scripts to get pixels on online games. I use it because i love scripting in it, how easy it is and how well it flows. SCAR is completely free and available to everyone. I don't have to install loads of crap onto my system to use it and it isn't Runescape specific.



no one cares.



You're right, he wouldn't.

Sort out your attitude, or leave this community. You aren't contributing and you aren't helping.

You pompus primitive idiot. I can't even find any comebacks that will combat your primitiveness. Oh, one is that you're quite money hungry. Stress miner = RS GP? I think you make it for pixel money, dumb moron.

One Week Ban for solarwind for violating privacy and general unpleasant behaviour.

From: solarwind
You pompus primitive idiot. I can't even find any comebacks that will combat your primitiveness. Oh, one is that you're quite money hungry. Stress miner = RS GP? I think you make it for pixel money, dumb moron.

maybe you do your research more and see that:
1) I don't play Runescape
2) I sell all RS GP I get online for real cash
3) I only sell for RS GP because younger players who want to by my script don't have credit cards…

BTW, I'm not money hungry at all. Can i help if my script is popular and many people want to buy it? Ask how long it took the last buyer to contact me to actually buy the script… a month or so? I'm in no rush to sell. I have a great job which pays me excessive amounts of money ;)