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Hey anybody know when reflection is gonna be fixed?
I know everybody's hard at work, but I thought i heard the goal time was this past friday…should it be available soon?

Method has said he does not have a date he'll be done by, he's a little busy, but is working on updating it. Just have patience, method will be done when he's done.

It will be done as soon as method is done, just wait

How offent doese reflection tend to crash?

From: Cartmann
How offent doese reflection tend to crash?

It breaks every update. But usually it only takes a couple of hours once Method gets on to be fixed. The problem with this update was that it completely rewrote a lot of the Runescape engine, so a new updating procedure has to be made.

ok guys, thanks for the info, and yeah i can wait…

Not exactly sure what reflection is, but it helps for better botting right?

From: senrath
It breaks every update. But usually it only takes a couple of hours once Method gets on to be fixed. The problem with this update was that it completely rewrote a lot of the Runescape engine, so a new updating procedure has to be made.

And HOW offent doese that happend ;)

not very offten. usualy you wouldnt even notice that reflection is down as method usualy updates it at night when people are sleeping xD

From: Cartmann
And HOW offent doese that happend ;)

You mentally slow? He just said it happens every update, then you ask how often does it happen….

It isn't offline every update, most runescape updates doesn't change that much to the hooks. Mostly just a few hooks are out of date.

edit*
my wrong

From: masterBB
It isn't offline every update, most runescape updates doesn't change that much to the hooks. Mostly just a few hooks are out of date.

Every update to the client completely changes the names of all classes and class members. All of them are out of date when the client updates.

From: NiCbaZ
You mentally slow? He just said it happens every update, then you ask how often does it happen….

Please read the hole conversation, i asked how offent runescape doese a MAJOR update like the one they just did, where all the "hooks" need to be fixed.

From: Cartmann
Please read the hole conversation, i asked how offent runescape doese a MAJOR update like the one they just did, where all the "hooks" need to be fixed.

No one knows.. Read the dev blogs

Aww an other update to day..

From: Main_Ftw
Aww an other update to day..

All Method has to do is run his updater… then he'll have the latest hooks, but only the hooks that his updater can find.

He is still updating it to find all hooks.

Is it only the tiles broking? does stuff like "Getanimation" still works :p?

From: Main_Ftw
Is it only the tiles broking? does stuff like "Getanimation" still works :p?

Method said not all hooks were broken, but he never told me the few that still worked.

Lol, tbh, starting to get a little impatient ….

I don't even use reflection lol. I just wonders :norris:

From: Main_Ftw
I don't even use reflection lol. I just wonders :norris:

It is easy to do walking and object finding and really is fun to work with.

Use it, it is t3h s3x. - :norris:

From: mormonman
Method said not all hooks were broken, but he never told me the few that still worked.

So not all hooks are broken? Or are some already repaired? It would be really cool if someone opened a thread with the exact progress we make with reflection.

Ooooohhh, how many hooks/how many hooks are done?

its looking like rsbot are going to finish before srl. Rsbot only have 2 files to update and that was like 2 days ago, so im guessing any day now

From: pl0xmypl0x
its looking like rsbot are going to finish before srl. Rsbot only have 2 files to update and that was like 2 days ago, so im guessing any day now

Not that surprising. RSBot has a bunch of people working, while Method is the only one here who is working on updating reflection.

From: Smarter Child
Lol, tbh, starting to get a little impatient ….

Try writing at a 6,700 line script and having it break a week later for 18 months.

People are very ignorant to think reflection is reliable as it is.

From: IceFire908
Try writing at a 6,700 line script and having it break a week later for 18 months.

People are very ignorant to think reflection is reliable as it is.

Break for 18 months? lol I don't think so (unless you are talking about some random time in the past I am not aware of).

Reflection is reliable. It's not like scripts without reflection didn't break with the recent updates… it just so happens that there are more people who know how to fix the issues that were broken, so it got fixed quicker.

We have 1 person working on this, and that's while managing school, sports, and hw and whatnot. That does not leave much time in the day, trust me I know (school 7:45 am to 2:40 pm, xc from 2:50 to 5:30-6, drive home 30 mins or more with traffic, take a break/start hw then dinner at around 7, then hw, sleep at 10-11).

Now I do not know exactly how updating the hooks is done, but from what I gather, if one or 2 people sat down and worked for a matter of hours it could be done. That's if they are completely changed, most likely if rs updates one just has to run their custom hook updater and then upload the new hooks (usually a matter of hours before someone notices the update and uploads new hooks). Making something like a small graphics update a much bigger annoyance for a color scripter compared to a reflection one.

No making new procedures or updating dtms or bitmaps or anything, just wait for new hooks and its up again.

I feel any downtime with reflection is worth it, it is much more accurate than color and gets things done faster.

As long as we have at least one active reflection dev who does updates, I think reflection will always be the best way to script.

From: IceFire908
Try writing at a 6,700 line script and having it break a week later for 18 months.

People are very ignorant to think reflection is reliable as it is.

…what?

Anyways, here's a Hooks.scar output (that isn't functional, I wouldn't suggest using it). The menu system needs to be updated inside the include, and the item and object systems probably need to be updated also once I figure them out.

http://method.pastebin.com/m257b7fb9

Wow… see what I mean… you guys don't even know the about the history behind reflection. Reflection did break for 18 months.

Imagine if method wasn't here… it would probably anywhere from 3 months to a year and half before reflection would be fixed, and it's been awhile and it still isn't fixed.

Reflection is not reliable and it won't be long before jagex decides to do something even more drastic.

Reflection is a temporary solution, until people accept that it isn't going to be stable and be around for a long time there is going to be a lot of impatient people and down time.

From: IceFire908
Wow… see what I mean… you guys don't even know the about the history behind reflection. Reflection did break for 18 months.

Imagine if method wasn't here… it would probably anywhere from 3 months to a year and half before reflection would be fixed, and it's been awhile and it still isn't fixed.

Reflection is not reliable and it won't be long before jagex decides to do something even more drastic.

Reflection is a temporary solution, until people accept that it isn't going to be stable and be around for a long time there is going to be a lot of impatient people and down time.

It didnt so much "break" it just kinda died. Not to mention it wasnt as big back then either, not as much community support. As long as someone is there to update it, it will be used and reliable.

From: IceFire908
Wow… see what I mean… you guys don't even know the about the history behind reflection. Reflection did break for 18 months.

Imagine if method wasn't here… it would probably anywhere from 3 months to a year and half before reflection would be fixed, and it's been awhile and it still isn't fixed.

Reflection is not reliable and it won't be long before jagex decides to do something even more drastic.

Reflection is a temporary solution, until people accept that it isn't going to be stable and be around for a long time there is going to be a lot of impatient people and down time.

Ya, I'm sure reflection wasn't as popular as it is now. I mean, look at the biggest/most used Jr. Member scripts now. Tad's ess miner (and aio miner and fisher), Camaro's guild fisher, Tads fletcher… all of them are reflection and all of them have thousands of views and hundreds of replies. Reflection is used a lot now and some of the most popular and well made scripts use it.

Also, we have more than one active reflection dev. It just so happens that Method is the designated updater.

Reflection is not just a temporary fix, it is a better way to script for RS.

The way things are going you're going to change your opinnion soon

Reflection breeds idiots. Live long and prosper.

From: Freddy1990
Reflection breeds idiots. Live long and prosper.

But allows lazy/people with little time (such as myself) to script an effective script in a short amount of time.

From: Method
…what?

Anyways, here's a Hooks.scar output (that isn't functional, I wouldn't suggest using it). The menu system needs to be updated inside the include, and the item and object systems probably need to be updated also once I figure them out.

http://method.pastebin.com/m257b7fb9

Good, I've been wanting to rewrite the objects for a while because they are ugly and not very efficient.

From: Bobarkinator
Good, I've been wanting to rewrite the objects for a while because it's ugly and not very efficient.

So true…

From: IceFire908
Wow… see what I mean… you guys don't even know the about the history behind reflection. Reflection did break for 18 months.

Imagine if method wasn't here… it would probably anywhere from 3 months to a year and half before reflection would be fixed, and it's been awhile and it still isn't fixed.

Reflection is not reliable and it won't be long before jagex decides to do something even more drastic.

Reflection is a temporary solution, until people accept that it isn't going to be stable and be around for a long time there is going to be a lot of impatient people and down time.

Of course there will be times where the game engine changes. It has done so multiple times in the past, and each time client hacking has progressed with it. Just because something takes time to come along doesn't mean it's dead. KYAB died, sure, reflection in general for RuneScape won't.

From: Bobarkinator
Good, I've been wanting to rewrite the objects for a while because they are ugly and not very efficient.

It's not so much rewriting the current system, it's writing an entirely new one that probably isn't too similar.

From: Method
It's not so much rewriting the current system, it's writing an entirely new one that probably isn't too similar.

Are you saying that objects are going to be more like NPC's now? Instead of searching each tile you just the array of Objects?

From: mormonman
Are you saying that objects are going to be more like NPC's now? Instead of searching each tile you just the array of Objects?

No, I don't think it's like that. It looks like it might be somewhat similar to the old system but possibly without the UIDs.

Method should get a special cup for his contribution to reflection.:D

Method: I know what you meant. But I'm glad we'll be able to scrap the current system. It was crap.

looking forward to the update :D

From: rogeruk
looking forward to the update :D

Today I almost entirely refactored RuneScape's cache system, but I'll work on fixing items and objects again shortly.

From: Main_Ftw
Method should get a special cup for his contribution to reflection.:D

or 2 cups…..

Nice to hear you're making progress

I think it's awesome, and kinda unreal :P That people for the sake of our community sacrifice so much time to make thiese updates and programs.

From: Cartmann
I think it's awesome, and kinda unreal :P That people for the sake of our community sacrifice so much time to make thiese updates and programs.

Ye, ya'kno they deserve alot of respect and reconition for all the contributes and work they put in so we can do what we do.

Hey so what's the new system gonna be if we're junking reflection?

From: Gweth
Hey so what's the new system gonna be if we're junking reflection?

What are you talking about… its still gunna be reflection, just some things in the include have to be changed to work with the RuneTek5 update.

From: Gweth
Hey so what's the new system gonna be if we're junking reflection?

haha epic post, we're only completely rewriting the objects include most likely, for reflection, then probably going to update a lot of the other includes also. So even once the hooks are updated, don't be like, YES finally, reflection again, we're probably going to need to do quite a bit of updating, but shouldn't take to long after the hooks are done.

EDIT: lol, 'null.null' :p that was funny to see, I looked through the hooks and saw the updates, and the ones that needed updates marked with null, but it was funny to see the ones with .'s in them to say null.null haha I don't know why, just looked funny to me

Any news on reflection? Is there any progress?

[quote=Method's Sig]Yes, I'm still working on updating reflection. No, there isn't an ETA for everything to be finished.
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From: mormonman
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Oops…:o sorry, I don't read sig's because most people fill them with bad jokes or promotion of there own scripts.

Hopefully it's more vivid now.

Itching to get scripting with reflection.

Your doing a great job Method!.

From: Method
Hopefully it's more vivid now.

Epic win.
Take your time :)
For us learning, its just harder to worry about reflection right away. So learning color scripts first is helping me :)
Also, there are plenty of color scripts out there. If you don't like them, play legit for a bit :eek:

Let method do his job, its a one man team.

any updates yet? I have been gone for a while

From: kyleisntwild
any updates yet? I have been gone for a while

Maybe look 4 post above yours?
Can you see Method's signature?