SRL Archive - The Bashing Club / BBQ Pit

I recently made a thread, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, it was quite popular apparently… Nielsie locked it. Granted, he had all right to do that. However, then Wizzup posted in there a few days later, leaving me with absolutely no way to reply… Yet, he was as usual involved in the argument that actually led to me creating the thread, which in terms leads me to believe he can't act impartially in a situation like that which in my opinion should've kept him from interfering there at all, certainly after the topic had been closed for over a day, it seems more like just wanting to have the last word…

Also, I've been meaning to get onto the SRL IRC channel to contact a few people over the last month or so… I can't because I'm banned. Well yeah, banned, I must've done something seriously wrong to get banned, no? Well, I permanently ignored Wizzup, that's it, nothing more or less, for that I was permanently IP banned from the channel… Imo that's not fair…

Note that this topic is not to blame anyone, not Wizzup or w/e, I just want to hear people's view on stuff like this, am I wrong, am I right, … That's why I'm posting this in this section. If any staff member feels that this thread shouldn't exist, please delete it though, I don't want to cause any more trouble…

I think we need both sides of the story.

I don't think you necessarily cause trouble freddy, sometimes maybe drag it out a bit, but in your defense, with some reason.

Personally, I think none of this recent drama should have ever reached down from the dev forums. The problem is consistently between only a few select people and should be handled between those people. You and Wizzup clearly need to talk about some things. If you can both be mature adults, then there is no reason the situation can't be resolved. But it really should be discussed privately to avoid a mass hysteria.

From: Infintry001
I think we need both sides of the story.

I wouldn't mind hearing the other side tbh, because frankly, I don't get it… :(

Correction, he did not have right, per se, he had the ability.

As far as I can remember, Freddy did nothing wrong.

I personally would prefer him unbanned, but it is always up to Wizzup. I wish you luck Freddy, and hope Wizzup makes the best choice.

Freddy is right, Wizzup should put his ego aside and straighten some stuff.

*nuff said*

From: Freddy1990
I recently made a thread, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, it was quite popular apparently… Nielsie locked it. Granted, he had all right to do that. However, then Wizzup posted in there a few days later, leaving me with absolutely no way to reply… Yet, he was as usual involved in the argument that actually led to me creating the thread, which in terms leads me to believe he can't act impartially in a situation like that which in my opinion should've kept him from interfering there at all, certainly after the topic had been closed for over a day, it seems more like just wanting to have the last word…

I was away from the computer for about three days, and during that period you get pissed at N1ke for calling you Hitler…
What does that have to do with me?

Last word, Naaah. I got back at the computer to notice several people sending me PM's/Emails about this issue. Approximately 10, so I felt I had to respond to this issue. Because, frankly, I think you over-reacted.

If you want to reply, I can reopen the thread for you.
However, if I had reopened it, everyone could spam it full, again. If that's what you want, I can re-open it.

From: Freddy1990
Also, I've been meaning to get onto the SRL IRC channel to contact a few people over the last month or so… I can't because I'm banned. Well yeah, banned, I must've done something seriously wrong to get banned, no? Well, I permanently ignored Wizzup, that's it, nothing more or less, for that I was permanently IP banned from the channel… Imo that's not fair…

I've stated before that it is a no-go to /ignore IRC-OP's. It's kind of silly, don't you think?

If you have a serious problem with me, why don't you just bring it up like you are doing now?

It's true, I can't really stand it if people ignore me, but I'd expect you to know better than ignoring an admin of the community that practically gives you your user base…

I didn't really ban you just for this reason. I'm sure you remember that flaming you did a few months ago, calling "SRL" your enemy. Telling other people to ``Shut The Fuck Up'', and that you'd get to them.

Then, after Yakman (I believe), banned you, you kept coming back.
Constantly changing IP's and nicknames. When we in the end gave up banning IP's (about four if I recall correctly, we let you back in to tell us your story. You just started flaming again.)

I also remember that you've said you never wanted to come back to #srl again. I can imagine you of course did not mean this, and it isn't a problem to unban you.

You could have just asked.

From: Freddy1990
Note that this topic is not to blame anyone, not Wizzup or w/e, I just want to hear people's view on stuff like this, am I wrong, am I right, … That's why I'm posting this in this section. If any staff member feels that this thread shouldn't exist, please delete it though, I don't want to cause any more trouble…

Once again, I don't understand why you keep causing drama in public. If you don't want to cause trouble, post it in a more private forum, you have access to most, I'd say.

Most of these cases are better handled in private. Unless you just want people to post about something they don't know anything about, or want to create a false image, don't post stuff like this in public. There are better places to handle this.

I've unbanned you from the IRC, please don't make me regret it.
I've long put away my grudge against you, because quite frankly, I don't even remember what it was about.


A tip friend and previous (and possibly future…) friend:

Stop taking every critic so personally. Criticism is there to learn from, not get angry over.

We aren't here to attack each other, but only to help each other. Yes, everyone can get pissed at times, but whatever dude, it's the internet.

If you want more friends around here, don't act like a bitch. Yes, you may often have more knowledge over programming than some other SRL Developers (or users in general), but that doesn't make you better than others. Treat them like you would like to be treated yourself. Because frankly, most active SRL Developers have complained to me about your "behaviour". (I didn't really want to say that in public…)

This community is about cooperating to create RS macros, learning new stuff and most importantly: having fun…

Hope to meet you there once again.

I really don't want you to reopen that thread, frankly, I have nothing more to say in that regard, that's in the past now…

In regards to the IRC, the incident where I avoided my ban was simply because I felt treated unfairly, but also very outdated, this was still on the Freenode server since which SRL has switched servers twice where I've been banned on both new ones I believe… Tbh, I understand you think it's stupid to ignore an ops, and I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to ban that person… Of course, that's just my opinion on the matter, it's your IRC channel, so your rules apply.

Then in regards to this topic… I personally feel this is a matter that exceeds just the problems between the both of us… However, during the last topic I've had the chance to examine some of the replies of different members of this community, which led me to believe that I probably could handle the situation better or might have some part in the reason why this all started in the first place… But the topic was fairly aggressive, which in terms influences the way that people reacted to it. Hence I made this topic, in a less exposed place and very non-aggressive because I simple wish to know what people's opinions on the matter are because in the end, any argument between developers/staff still affects the rest of the users a great deal. So as I said, I really don't want to point fingers or cause trouble with this topic…

I have no problem with criticism personally, I also feel you can wield it to improve yourself and such… However, that only applies to constructive criticism, simply trolling or bashing is something I can't and will not tolerate… Like "That sucks!" vs "I don't really like it, it might be better if…".

Also, about "having more friends" around here, I have plenty, that I've certainly learned. And don't in any way tell me that I think I'm better than others, because you know that's a lie. Also, many people complain about you as well, so that goes both ways, we each have our own flaws.

I'm not going to pretend that this makes everything better all of a sudden, because it doesn't, but it's a step in the right direction.

Basically, I think you're doing a great job keeping this community alive, but you should as Raymond put it, put your ego aside for a change.

From: Freddy1990
I really don't want you to reopen that thread, frankly, I have nothing more to say in that regard, that's in the past now…

In regards to the IRC, the incident where I avoided my ban was simply because I felt treated unfairly, but also very outdated, this was still on the Freenode server since which SRL has switched servers twice where I've been banned on both new ones I believe… Tbh, I understand you think it's stupid to ignore an ops, and I agree, but I don't think that's a reason to ban that person… Of course, that's just my opinion on the matter, it's your IRC channel, so your rules apply.

Yes, it was quite a while ago.
I don't understand fully; you do agree it is stupid to ignore an ops, yet you do?

From: Freddy1990
Then in regards to this topic… I personally feel this is a matter that exceeds just the problems between the both of us… However, during the last topic I've had the chance to examine some of the replies of different members of this community, which led me to believe that I probably could handle the situation better or might have some part in the reason why this all started in the first place… But the topic was fairly aggressive, which in terms influences the way that people reacted to it. Hence I made this topic, in a less exposed place and very non-aggressive because I simple wish to know what people's opinions on the matter are because in the end, any argument between developers/staff still affects the rest of the users a great deal. So as I said, I really don't want to point fingers or cause trouble with this topic…

I'm sorry, but this topic points to no one but me.
I don't mind; but it most certainly does…

From: Freddy1990
I have no problem with criticism personally, I also feel you can wield it to improve yourself and such… However, that only applies to constructive criticism, simply trolling or bashing is something I can't and will not tolerate… Like "That sucks!" vs "I don't really like it, it might be better if…".

In my opinion, even "That sucks" can be considered critisism. If someone simply doesn't like a certain subject/object, for example. Non-constructive criticism can also be extremely useful. In fact, I think it may be more of a help than constructive criticism.

I don't really think I would categorize it as bashing.

In the case of trolling, etc; I tend to take a non-interested stance.
Getting mad, or "not tolerating it" is only what people want to achieve when they "troll".

From: Freddy1990
Also, about "having more friends" around here, I have plenty, that I've certainly learned. And don't in any way tell me that I think I'm better than others, because you know that's a lie. Also, many people complain about you as well, so that goes both ways, we each have our own flaws.

I'm not going to pretend that this makes everything better all of a sudden, because it doesn't, but it's a step in the right direction.

As you wish. It was only a friendly tip/reminder, and you can interpret it as you want. :)

From: Freddy1990
Basically, I think you're doing a great job keeping this community alive, but you should as Raymond put it, put your ego aside for a change.

I'm sorry, but I am afraid you missed the sarcasm in his post…

As for my ego, I don't really feel like I have a big ego, but I'll try to pay more attention to it.

let's all chilax set our ego's aside and release the sun shine bear within

Fifa

From: fifa499
let's all chilax set our ego's aside and release the sun shine bear within

Fifa

rep++

From: fifa499
let's all chilax set our ego's aside and release the sun shine bear within

Fifa

I always get confused when I see you being a registered user. It still makes no sense to me. Very good post though :) I concur with markus.

From: Markus
rep++

Spam alert -.-

Crazy man does not know he is crazy.

From: 3Garrett3

Spam alert -.-

*Reports post*.

……. Um so SRL-stats and FindTransparentBitmap fixed yet? :p

all this negative atmosphere needs to be sorted out,

i am surprised how much people take Freddy1990 for granted , i mean he is always trying to make scar better for everyone, ( i am not sucking up to him )

From: djcheater
all this negative atmosphere needs to be sorted out,

i am surprised how much people take Freddy1990 for granted , i mean he is always trying to make scar better for everyone, ( i am not sucking up to him )

No, but you are posting your opinion on an issue you know little to nothing about. No offence.

Freddy, you shouldnt have been banned from IRC but stop trying to get people to feel sorry for you. Honestly, you want peoples opinions? You know where most of the most intelligent and "in the know" people on the forums are, and you have access there. They would of given you a much better and more accurate opinion on this and the other issue, because they also know more of the backstory. Whereas the general public dont know much about it at all and so are open to persuasion, and no ones going to bother to make a post attacking you with a list of all the reasons why its this way, because no one who knows enough to do so cares enough (including me). Its seriously unneccessary and it brings bad vibes to the forum.

From: The Claw
No, but you are posting your opinion on an issue you know little to nothing about. No offense.

Freddy, you shouldn't have been banned from IRC but stop trying to get people to feel sorry for you. Honestly, you want peoples opinions? You know where most of the most intelligent and "in the know" people on the forums are, and you have access there. They would of given you a much better and more accurate opinion on this and the other issue, because they also know more of the backstory. Whereas the general public don't know much about it at all and so are open to persuasion, and no ones going to bother to make a post attacking you with a list of all the reasons why its this way, because no one who knows enough to do so cares enough (including me). Its seriously unnecessary and it brings bad vibes to the forum.

The "general public" has to cope with me and others as well, if they feel that I'm acting like an idiot or that I'm doing a bad job, I'd want to know…

But I think this topic has outlived it's usefulness… So if a staff member would like to close it… Not going to do it myself in case anyone has objections…

I still believe these matters should be settled in privacy.

Freddy, stop making public threads - please post in forums where only people above in possession of a rank higher than SRL member have access to.
Don't you see that all this leads to, is more attention brought towards this case, not only from people with insight info, but also from people who have no clue about the story behind this, who simply support you because you're developing SCAR.

Take Wizzup? as an example. For as long as I can remember, he has dealt with all the problems he faced with maturity. For as long as I can remember, he has never ever made a thread (that I've had the permission/access mask to view) where he ranted about anything, especially the attitude and behavior of any member.

As for you, Wizzup?, I bet you have some issues of your own too, as it always takes two to start an argue. I'm not gonna involve myself in that, but you should look into them yourself.


I'm trying to say that I'm really damn disappointed at people nowadays.
I take a few days off to deal with some personal shit. When I come back, this community is crumbling even more than it was when I left it. Instead of working together to keep this community alive, people are siding up and going against each other. Somebody, please tell me - what kind of community is that?

I think this is useless. Hug and kiss that's all what we need. And continue our lifes (:

Remember a hug can change the world.

~Home

From: Home
I think this is useless. Hug and kiss that's all what we need. And continue our lifes (:

Remember a hug can change the world.

~Home

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

:D

From: Griff721
*Reports post*.

*deletes post report* xD

As I don't want to be involved in this matter between Wiz/Fred/Whoever else, I won't close this thread myself.

From: Markus
*deletes post report* xD

As I don't want to be involved in this matter between Wiz/Fred/Whoever else, I won't close this thread myself.

Yay :). I made it not spam/ whatever he would report it for in the first part of the post. I was only jokzing anyway :p.

I'm going to attempt to stay quite neutral here too…

Threads like this are really beginning to aggravate me.

Freddy, for the most part, the issues you are constantly posting are NOT public issues. It appears as though your intention is to create drama and prove to this community that you have a massive support base. Yes, you do, but will they all come crying to you if you left? No, probably not.

In your last thread, many got the impression you were leaving. Instantly, several people quipped up saying they were going to create a new bot. They probably would not have finished, but it was enough to prove the point that others will take over where you fall off. You seem to create this image of your perfection around yourself and its not necessary. Your product isn't perfect, and you don't know everything to program it.

I think that the issue here is not about you and Wizzup, but about your lack of self confidence and the fact that you don't believe that you have support. You have it, but you also can't abuse it.

For the past few months, you have stolen project after project from this community saying you are "adding it to SCAR" and you are not letting others neither learn nor help in any way shape or form. No, I'm not going to go on about FOSS programming, but I do think you need to work on that whole community feeling a bit more.

Finally, I just want to reiterate that I am extremely unhappy with your means of communication about issues that are not meant for public domain. These large posts are not necessary and I believe that you need to take a look in the mirror and figure out your real reason for being here and developing SCAR.

~n2

Wizzup, Nava2 and the like have taken their time to craft detailed posts to explain this fully, so I don't feel I need to. I will say something, though.

STOP MAKING THESE PUBLIC POSTS.

They don't accomplish anything, and don't really show that good of an image for you. Honestly, if you have a problem with the admins, talk to them directly. They will probably be more than happy to help you out, even if they had a grudge against you at one point.

(if that fails, then by all means make a public post, but don't make it sound like you just can't talk to the admins.)

I have to say one thing to everyone out here, those post about posting stuff against post like this post don't make any sense as post, so just don't post, kay?

Just saying, stop saying stuff like "you're sooooo right" at least say why she/he is "right/wrong".

Moar Drama. *grabs popcorn*

+1 to Nava2.

From: Torrent of Flame
Moar Drama. *grabs popcorn*

+1 to Nava2.

*Pokes*
*Grabs popcorn*
I was exactly talking about your post.
I will create a thread soon enough :p.

Hmm, well interpreted as your first post as meaning. "Hey its not cool when the ops/admins abuse their power!". Thats not how the thread turned out, but indeed i wanted to mention that i think my interpretation of your point should be discussed more.

The closing of R0b0t1's threads and others is quite frankly annoying. Just because the admins dont like the point of a thread or dislike its direction is no reason to lock it. I'd much rather they reprimand the individual spam than close the thread to input. Its quite possible to reopen them, but then you're at the mercy of the admins, them deciding whether they deem your reason for posting worthy of acceptance. Thats just quite silly. As long as there is still something in the way of non spam, then just reprimand and delete the bad posters and posts, and keep it open.

I think #srl is worse because the ops are even less mature, and depending on which ones, its not that they're immature, its just that they are much less restrained in using their powers there. Also quite annoying. (i had more to say, in the way of their behavior but my train of thought was derailed, so…)

Just because they have the power to do stuff that abuses their purpose, doesnt mean that its right for them to do so. And as i've seen on r0b0t's threads, people's first response are "dont go there then". That's an even sillier response than unrightfully abusing power. One shouldnt have to fear an op or admin being a bad mood or being partial or just being a dink just because they have the power to do so. If thats their attitude it shouldnt be, "just deal with it", it should be "hurrah, because the op was de-opped and the admin was de-adminned".

Finally as for srl being seperate from #srl. That's just an excuse the ops like to use when it suits them. When they feel like carrying things over in either direction, they do so, and act as if they're obviously connected, and times like with r0b0t's plight and here i guess, they act otherwise.

Thats about all i have to say about that. As for how the thread progressed, I really think some of the things Freddy makes threads about are done rightfully so, and even when they are, people criticize him for it. This one probably could have been done in a pm, even though it did bring to light the apparent rule of not ignoring ops (which is stupid rule by the way). Also if the admins are being dinks, then i dont see why it shouldnt be public. Something small doesn't might not be worth one's time to discuss it in public, but otherwise its really their decision (especially he posted it in the "waste of time out", in which people spam and make useless posts anyway).

#SRL is part of SRL or it has to change the name, period.
Thus #SRL must follow SRL Forum Rules, period.

From: Hermen
#SRL is part of SRL or it has to change the name, period.
Thus #SRL must follow SRL Forum Rules, period.

IRC is a very different environment from the forums.
Must users be unable to double post?
Must they be limited to only one nick?
Must all their comments and discussions be fully on topic at all times?
There are a lot more, but then I would have to spend listing more pointless things that wouldn't change your mind simply because you dislike the IRC environment and so want to make it into a forum environment.

From: mixster
IRC is a very different environment from the forums.
Must users be unable to double post?
Must they be limited to only one nick?
Must all their comments and discussions be fully on topic at all times?
There are a lot more, but then I would have to spend listing more pointless things that wouldn't change your mind simply because you dislike the IRC environment and so want to make it into a forum environment.

If we were always on topic, then we wouldn't be able to talk about Jason2gs's sister. That would be a sad day indeed.

As freddy, I believe this thread to be outlived. I personally noticed a change in Freddy's attitude from the moment he made this thread and believe that albeit all of us being different, we can easily enough put our differences aside for the best of the community. Having worked side by side with many devs and staff I can easily say this applies to all of us, myself included.

Closed.

~RM