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I've had it, I'm done with this… N1ke's latest joyful comparison of me and Hitler rly pushes it way past simple mockery, I'm terminating all support and ties with SRL, SCAR will move it's own direction, I'll offer universal include support from now on, but SRL won't get any preferential treatment anymore. I'm sorry for all the people here that have supported me, but this is just too much.

:S.

Freddy…

Okay, Freddy, I think you shouldn't be taking that so serious. It's a bit exaggerated, isn't it? Except if you are Jewish/have Jewish family (could be, you never know, that is a very good reason), but, sleep a night over it, count to 10 and think again.

Think.
Again.

aw stop crying sheesh, a lil joke here and a joke there. It's not the end of the world.
It's the internet, not real life.

From: Laur€ns
Okay, Freddy, I think you shouldn't be taking that so serious. It's a bit exaggerated, isn't it? Except if you are Jewish/have Jewish family (could be, you never know, that is a very good reason), but, sleep a night over it, and think again.

You need to see the whole picture…

Do you always take jokes from developer section and create drama?
I didn't know, sorry.

It was a joke, seriously.. and who does even listen to my bullshit except Zeph and RM…

I won't come scream after you saying Pleaaaaaaaase, as it was a joke..
And if you are dead serious about this, then seriously.. Get some balls mate.

wtf n1ke…

ignore the /b/tards freddy. That was just a retarted accusation on N1kes part.
Edit: Read n1kes post. Ok it was a joke, but it was offencive.

:O What?

Not to be rude or anything, I only got respect for you Freddy, but how often is scar used other than by the people here at SRL?

Not sure what exactly this means for SRL and how everything will work now, but sounds like it won't be good. :( Sorry to hear this.

It's his choice it's not like he feels welcome here.
One little thing this is my view on it: I think that without SRL you have like no Scar users left.
It is a handy program, but why stab yourself in the back?

We <3 you Freddy in a non-gayish way :).

Any particular reason this is posted in this forum, Freddy? I mean, I'm sure there's a good reason for all of this, but for those of us not in the know (like myself) it just makes you sound whiny.

From: senrath
Any particular reason this is posted in this forum, Freddy? I mean, I'm sure there's a good reason for all of this, but for those of us not in the know (like myself) it just makes you sound whiny.

Would sound whiny for real if other people would have to say it for him…

I've made a list of all the people who really appreciate your dedication to SRL. Im am SO Sorry

[admin]contains rickroll[/admin]

From: Freddy1990
I've had it, I'm done with this… N1ke's latest joyful comparison of me and Hitler rly pushes it way past simple mockery, I'm terminating all support and ties with SRL, SCAR will move it's own direction, I'll offer universal include support from now on, but SRL won't get any preferential treatment anymore. I'm sorry for all the people here that have supported me, but this is just too much.

Is this not between you and N1ke then?
Just saying..
I hope you can come to an understanding.

Funny how this is all my fault now..?

Drama at its best..

This is what I said:

From: N1ke!
What The Claw is trying to say is that maybe you could let us help..?
No one needs to have full control over anything..
Just look how Hitler ended.

From: Hermen
It's his choice it's not like he feels welcome here.
One little thing this is my view on it: I think that without SRL you have like no Scar users left.
It is a handy program, but why stab yourself in the back?

We <3 you Freddy in a non-gayish way :).

I agree with hermen.

From: n3ss3s
Would sound whiny for real if other people would have to say it for him…

Eh, good point. Forget I said anything.

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Don't go.

Fuck it, I just got RickRolld.

From: Torrent of Flame
Fuck it, I just got RickRolld.

Heh.

Maybe there's something more to it than the Hitler joke? Who knows except Freddy…

Leave if you want to, it's your decision and there's probably not that much the public can do about it.

Atleast you posted before you left.

Bye.

Edit: This thread will probably fill up quite fast, and that just shows that people want you here, including me.

From: Torrent of Flame
Fuck it, I just got RickRolld.

I know, that pissed me off too.

:(. dont go :<

Drama Queen?

I didn't know SRL received so much special treatment - any examples of this?

Peace out drama queen.

From: mixster
I didn't know SRL received so much special treatment - any examples of this?

I guess the "Download SRL" option would qualify?

From: senrath
I guess the "Download SRL" option would qualify?

does that button even work?

From: mixster
I didn't know SRL received so much special treatment - any examples of this?

File > Download SRL

Edit: ninja'd :(
Also, that option fails on windows 7.

From: Blumblebee
does that button even work?

Yep, it downloads the snapshots

From: mixster
I didn't know SRL received so much special treatment - any examples of this?

Snap Shots :<

From: mixster
I didn't know SRL received so much special treatment - any examples of this?

Oh I dunno, SCAR Divi was practically built around SRL…

Btw, I never said I was leaving, I'm just done with taking crap from people and as far as SCAR goes, you know…

From: Freddy1990
Oh I dunno, SCAR Divi was practically built around SRL…

What was SCAR built around then?

From: Freddy1990
Oh I dunno, SCAR Divi was practically built around SRL…

More like built around runescape…

well I've come to a solution: Sacrifice the je…shoe!


Fitting Song

Lol

From: Freddy1990
Oh I dunno, SCAR Divi was practically built around SRL…

Btw, I never said I was leaving, I'm just done with taking crap from people and as far as SCAR goes, you know…

Can we at least have source if your leaving SCAR?
No point in deleting it really..

From: N1ke!
Can we at least have source if your leaving SCAR?
No point in deleting it really..

He's not leaving SCAR. What gave you that impression?

From: Freddy1990
Oh I dunno, SCAR Divi was practically built around SRL…

Btw, I never said I was leaving, I'm just done with taking crap from people and as far as SCAR goes, you know…

With SRL being a resource of RS related functions, would it not be that anything added to Scar relating to SRL would be useful to all RS includes? With Scar as a macroing utility, it would make sense that anything specific to SRL would be specific to RS apart from the built in SRL download support and the archives being hosted on your site

From: N1ke!
Can we at least have source if your leaving SCAR?
No point in deleting it really..

He can't do it full, he payed for some of it now. But 3.15b and earlier ;)

From: Freddy1990
Oh I dunno, SCAR Divi was practically built around SRL…

Btw, I never said I was leaving, I'm just done with taking crap from people and as far as SCAR goes, you know…

Okay, that's fine, have a nice life…

People who want to use SRL can still just add it to SCAR, and people who don't can go to another bot, like RsBot. Others will just leave the runescape cheating scene entirely.

Either way it means less people will use SCAR, because honestly what is SCAR without SRL? This just sounds like a way to get attention from people. Anyone who is dedicated to the scene will just use it anyways, and people who aren't won't.

And Freddy, even in my experience, you take jokes WAAAAAY too seriously, so good luck with just a shell instead of a program.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

I really don't much care about the cause, but I like the effect. SCAR should never have had the "Download SRL" button, or anything else like that. It was designed originally as a universal macro that could be used with RS, and IMO it should stay like that.

This thread is being updated quite often >.>

From: ian.
wat

^^ +1

Don't leave us, you make this community a better place. :).

Edit: I do not condemn anyone for the reason you are leaving SRL. I'm sure N1ke!'s joke wasn't the main factor in making this decision, there must be something else on you mind.

Remember people, this thread still goes by rules.

Don't spam in here, Back on topic.


Freddy, how come you don't answer my questions :<?

From: N1ke!
Remember people, this thread still goes by rules.

Don't spam in here, Back on topic.


Freddy, how come you don't answer my questions :<?

The rules were broken when he posted somthing from the dev section.

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…Holy crap

You need to relax, my friend. It was not said in the context you took it in.

Heil Freddy!

Hmmm, I don't think it was offensive really…Just some information on hitler :) He didn't even say freddy was like hitler lol, Basicly a fact about hitler. Not a big deal IMO.

EDIT: also i got rick rolled -____-

Don't go Freddy, im having nose bleed because of this. THIS IS A SIGN

:p

Edit: @ lance : shush!! And its not dry in here..

From: Smarter Child
Don't go Freddy, im having nose bleed because of this. THIS IS A SIGN

:p

Uh oh.. a sign that the air in your room is to dry!! dun dun dunn

Freddy, I love you.

I understand that Wizzup among others have acted inappropriately to you (as you feel), but that is no reason to leave support for us.

You remember, when I killed my caver a while ago when I was killed at the IRC by Wizzup for something, and that drama happened with me. I revoked my (currently working epic) Caver, in hopes of receiving a different treatment. I hoped that everyone would regress and want me back. That plan failed.

I think you are in the same shoes as me, my friend. I was going through hard times, and everyone was mistreating me. I realized I was immature in what I did, and begged for the community to let me back. I since then have matured (a bit, not fully, so no sex for you yet), and realized that no one cares what you would do and blackmail them with (well, they do care, a lot, they just are not going to bow down to whoever fixes it). They will just find something else to use.

Long story short, you need to take a deep breath, and just not affiliate yourself with people who offend you. If they joke, and you dislike it, tell them that. If they proceed, block them. In the case with Wizzup getting mad at you on IRC and banning you (I forgot what happened, as I said, a ton of drama i have forgotten), please do not take it personally. No matter what anyone says about you, deep down they know you are vital to SRL. Without you, the project would fail. (until, of course, someone wrote a different client). Wizzup can be a bitch on IRC sometimes, but I feel he is often very fair. He is a nice man deep down, and a real cool guy. Just do not piss him off.

Power is easily abused by the idiotic. An idiot will want to exert their authority, make themselves known, bend the rules for themselves and release their frustration on the people in their jurisdiction. They will frequently assume the moral high ground and justify their decisions after they are made. Although they will tell themselves they are selfless, their only motivation is greed and they are fueled by selfish, destructive desire. A wise man with power, a leader, will be barely apparent. He will only use his power when it's absolutely necessary. He will not seek appreciation or authority. He will not seek love or validation, or even fear. This great leader will be barely known to his subject and when the great leaders job is fulfilled, they will say "look at what we have accomplished all by ourselves." Such a leader will acknowledge himself not as a person with responsibilities, but solely as a leader and as he leads he will leave his humanity behind. Surprisingly, this leader will be seemingly careless and will remain stress-less. His activities will seem effortless.






I have no idea what is going on in your life, or how others are treating you, but I love you Freddy, and I wish you well, and hope you get better, and make the best choice, and hopefully return to this community again.

Warm regards,
~ Harry.

From: mastaraymond
Heil Freddy!

I lol'd.

(So this isn't spam,)

:/ Well you see, Freddy, all of us people here at SRL have spent a lot of time doing stuff with SCAR. I've been in bed for over a month and haven't seen any friends because I wanted to constantly check here to help people with SCAR scripting.. So if you were to stop all of the production of it, at least you could make it open source so people with no life and no friends like me can still have something to do to waste there time during the days and nights in which they think about having friends, being with a girl, or anything that an actual human being would do. So basically, I need SCAR and SRL. I would definitely not be alive today if I didn't have it, for this is the only real source of enjoyment I get nowadays.

Anywho, either way, have a good life, kind sir. :)

From: Smarter Child
Don't go Freddy, im having nose bleed because of this. THIS IS A SIGN

:p

Edit: @ lance : shush!! And its not dry in here..

Hmm, sorry, didn't mean to hurt anyone :)

I'm not sure yet how I'm going to handle this in respects to SCAR 3.5 though…

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From: mastaraymond
Heil Freddy!

Freddy, please carry on the way we are. Ignore all of the people called you crybaby, and the mods who are saying "Heil Freddy". Just because of a few idiots - sorry, but that's what you are acting like now - the SCAR/SRL/We<3Freddy relationship does not need to end. But whatever, make the decision that's right for you.

Richard

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Wow, all of you retards doing Nazi jokes are very fucking immature. Can't you see YOU are the cancer causing this whole situation to escalate?

Erm…

Some people still seem to think that SCAR needs SRL Include to work, but it goes the other way around… SRL Include needs SCAR to work (you include SRL Include for SCAR, to use it).

My view: SCAR should be fully (100%) an Universal Cheating Tool, as it would be the right choice, for everyone. For people who script on RuneScape & those who doesn't (yes, there are people who don't play RuneScape [anymore], but do script with SCAR for lots of things!!).

Guys/gals who think Freddy is stopping the development on SCAR… He never said so, he only said, that the support for SRL Include will be taken out of SCAR (eg. SRL SVN download => removed?). :confused:

From: Janilabo
Erm…

Some people still seem to think that SCAR needs SRL Include to work, but it goes the other way around… SRL Include needs SCAR to work (you include SRL Include for SCAR, to use it).

My view: SCAR should be fully (100%) an Universal Cheating Tool, as it would be the right choice, for everyone. For people who script on RuneScape & those who doesn't (yes, there are people who don't play RuneScape [anymore], but do script with SCAR for lots of things!!).

Guys/gals who think Freddy is stopping the development on SCAR… He never said so, he only said, that the support for SRL Include will be taken out of SCAR (eg. SRL SVN download => removed?). :confused:

of course it needs scar, however taking away a personal treatment won't do anything or make anything different.

the SRL developers still have the freedom to program for SCAR, Freddy1990 cannot take that away.

From: NxTitle
of course it needs scar, however taking away a personal treatment won't do anything or make anything different.

the SRL developers still have the freedom to program for SCAR, Freddy1990 cannot take that away.

Or can he?

Edit: Freddy don't leave, this bloody nose bleed isn't getting any better!!


:p

From: Freddy1990
I've had it, I'm done with this… N1ke's latest joyful comparison of me and Hitler rly pushes it way past simple mockery, I'm terminating all support and ties with SRL, SCAR will move it's own direction, I'll offer universal include support from now on, but SRL won't get any preferential treatment anymore. I'm sorry for all the people here that have supported me, but this is just too much.

Can I honestly just ask why do this?

Why even bother starting all this drama? We all know you currently "develop" Scar…sweet.
What do you get out of this? Attention? Can you not tell that it's negative?

Why do you alienate yourself from SRL so much?


What N1ke! said was in no way offensive. There's people here that look up to you. Why not get past the pre-teen immaturity and handle things like an adult.

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And we are talking about 'SRL Dying' or 'Activity dropping'…

I fail to see why terminating all support and ties with SRL, SCAR moving in it's own direction is an appropriate reaction to a Hitler joke made by one person when SRL is a community of thousands.

Freddy you're a bloody legend, don't ruin it XD

Just pretend like this never happened and it won't happen in the future and no one will care, continue and we'll all have to read another 10 pages of bullshit -.-

PS.

Fuck you rickroller

From: Smarter Child
Or can he?

The only way I can think of is if he has coded a backdoor to scar which allows him to delete it remotely.

in the unlikely event of this, it could be defeated by not connecting the computer to the internet, so it cant receive any commands.

From: NCDS
Can I honestly just ask why do this?

Why even bother starting all this drama? We all know you currently "develop" Scar…sweet.
What do you get out of this? Attention? Can you not tell that it's negative?

Why do you alienate yourself from SRL so much?


What N1ke! said was in no way offensive. There's people here that look up to you. Why not get past the pre-teen immaturity and handle things like an adult.

You people are the ones being immature. Your not mature enough to see why this is happening. Freddy works hard for us, and what does he get in return? Some stupid jokes that he found offensive. Once is bad enough, but it carries on for long enough that it comes to this. Honestly, it's stupid, immature, and just plain childish.

:mad:

Cya Freddy! Feel free to come back though.

From: R1ch
You people are the ones being immature. Your not mature enough to see why this is happening. Freddy works hard for us, and what does he get in return? Some stupid jokes that he found offensive. Once is bad enough, but it carries on for long enough that it comes to this. Honestly, it's stupid, immature, and just plain childish.

:mad:

Isn't that what I just said…?


The purpose behind that post was more so to say that it was never necessary to post this here. It could have easily been settled in a simple message from freddy to N1ke. Then it would be done. All this could have been avoided. Instead, freddy felt the need to bring it to the attention of all SRL that N1ke has a sense of humor, and he doesn't like it.

There really is nothing to discuss…

From: NCDS
Isn't that what I just said…?


The purpose behind that post was more so to say that it was never necessary to post this here. It could have easily been settled in a simple message from freddy to N1ke. Then it would be done. All this could have been avoided.

There really is nothing to discuss…

Please read my post. Freddy has been picked on for a long time, and he is sick of it. You guys take him for granted too much.

nike eats rooster now


*EDIT had the please of speaking to nike over msn,and now i think he knows how freedy feels, a small joke that was taken wrong.

From: Harry
Please read my post. Freddy has been picked on for a long time, and he is sick of it. You guys take him for granted too much.

He wouldn't get picked on if he didn't act like this.

People don't see "Freddy1990 SRL Super Dev" and just think "wow what a loser, I'm going to pick on him..". There is obviously a reason for it. From what I can see, N1ke wasn't even picking on him. More so, trying to reason with him about something.

I respect freddy for the development of Scar, he seems rather childish as a person though.

Pardon my language on this last part, but I'm going to sum it up with.. Dont be stupid, and you wont get fucked with.

And this thread is very stupid.

I just wanna say, Freddy, everyone at SRL loves your work. You've done so much for us beyond your comprehension. Thanks =)

Freddy, you do whatever you want. If the heads of SRL frustrate you, leave. Who cares? They need you more than you need them.

From: JiveTonto@Gmail.com
nike eats cock now ( rooster that is )

…That was pretty stupid…

From: George W. Bush

So what if a guy threw a shoe at me? Its like driving down the street and have people not gesturing with all five fingers.

That's the kind of scenario I see right now.

Just forget his comment, as if you heard it with one ear and let it go from the other. N1ke was just making a funny statement, no literal comparison. (I think/hope)


~NS

Infintry, why do it? Encourage him to do something irrational and immature. Whatever happened between, you and N1ke freddy, it should have stayed between you two. Don't punish a whole community for the minority's actions. From what I read, N1ke was in NO WAY insulting you, making a small joke and your paranoia must be caused by being high or something. However, I dont know the full story so I can't really comment; and if indeed this is an ongoing thing warn him of the consequences and take action against HIM! But however, thats just my two cents.

Peace Out.

what i cant say someone eats chicken these days?

From: Infintry001
I just wanna say, Freddy, everyone at SRL loves your work. You've done so much for us beyond your comprehension. Thanks =)

Freddy, you do whatever you want. If the heads of SRL frustrate you, leave. Who cares? They need you more than you need them.

Heh, thx, and I won't give up on SCAR any time soon. :)

Stop the hating, immature-ness and take it easy…

Check out mixsters poetry (http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50089"), it should get a thread like this
as it shows the different end of the community, the part of people who have made SRL a part of their life…

And SCAR is a Huge part of SRL, so please don't quit, as you are a major part of SCAR. There are a lot of people on SRL who come on here every day, if not to script - to go on the IRC and chat with the friendly active people who are on there more than 5 days a week….

From: Infintry001
I just wanna say, Freddy, everyone at SRL loves your work. You've done so much for us beyond your comprehension. Thanks =)

Freddy, you do whatever you want. If the heads of SRL frustrate you, leave. Who cares? They need you more than you need them.

The problem is without srl he would have maybe 2 users. So he needs us more than we need him. And I could love his work if he would show it…

From: Gurkan
Stop the hating, immature-ness and take it easy…

Check out mixsters poetry (http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50089"), it should get a thread this
as it shows the different end of the community, the part of people who have made SRL a part of their life…

And SCAR is a Huge part of SRL, so please don't quit, as you are a major part of SCAR. There are a lot of people on SRL who come on here every day, if not to script - to go on the IRC and chat with the friendly active people who are on there more than 5 days a week….

This.

I dont know you Freddy but without SCAR I wouldnt be at this community because I would have never got into SRL Members and met some of the best people I know..

From: Torrent of Flame
This.

I dont know you Freddy but without SCAR I wouldnt be at this community because I would have never got into SRL Members and met some of the best people I know..

Like me?


I say who cares, fuck it…
Freddy1990 can do what ever he likes its his program.. Freddy don't get a big head i think you already do…
MAKE SCAR OPEN SOURCE.

Its his code Simtoon, he can do as he wishes with it. SRL would be unusable for a while if Freddy took SCAR. For the time being, SRL needs it.

From: Pixelate
Infintry, why do it? Encourage him to do something irrational and immature. Whatever happened between, you and N1ke freddy, it should have stayed between you two. Don't punish a whole community for the minority's actions. From what I read, N1ke was in NO WAY insulting you, making a small joke and your paranoia must be caused by being high or something. However, I dont know the full story so I can't really comment; and if indeed this is an ongoing thing warn him of the consequences and take action against HIM! But however, thats just my two cents.

Peace Out.

Honestly, it's his life. He can do whatever he wants.
If he's being a baby about these situations, it's best for him to leave and regroup. Don't stick around somewhere that will cause him grief.
If he has a valid reason for his anger, then it's best for him to leave and take his services elsewhere.

It's all up to Freddy.

From: Infintry001
Honestly, it's his life. He can do whatever he wants.
If he's being a baby about these situations, it's best for him to leave and regroup. Don't stick around somewhere that will cause him grief.
If he has a valid reason for his anger, then it's best for him to leave and take his services elsewhere.

It's all up to Freddy.

Yep… So true.

Freddy's project, Freddy's decisions. Let's respect that, as long as he is the one developing SCAR..

From: Freddy1990
Heh, thx, and I won't give up on SCAR any time soon. :)

Freddy, tbh, don't you think this is a bit immature?
I made a joke, You cry out in public, it's win win..

I already said sorry?, what do you want me to say?
Also, just want to point out, when you start listening to a 15 year old which 90%
of all his posts on a runescape autoing forum is bullshit.. then you need a
break.

And could I please have an answer to this one? Feels like I'm talking out in the
blue here..

Edit: I promise that I'll never compare you to Hitler again.

From: N1ke!

Also, just want to point out, when you start listening to a 15 year old which 90%
of all his posts on a runescape autoing forum is bullshit.. then you need a
break.

I hope you're not talking about me… 0_o

i also humbly apologize to you nike if i gave the impression that i meant you ate men's genitals and not chicken

From: Infintry001
I hope you're not talking about me… 0_o

He said on IRC he was talking about himself.

From: Infintry001
I hope you're not talking about me… 0_o

I was talking about myself ^^

From: JiveTonto@Gmail.com
i also humbly apologize to you nike if i gave the impression that i meant you ate men's genitals and not chicken

Idc what you say I eat..
Just don't post inappropriate stuff in here.

<3 N1ke! what ever he does, its always good for SRL ;)

From: Buckleyindahouse
I know, that pissed me off too.

haha i couldnt figure out how to close it

lolololooll whine moar pl0x
I also think it should be open-source but meh.
leaveeeee if u want.

Hmm, ok, I'm going to say this one last time, I'm not stopping to develop SCAR, I don't plan to any time soon, I'm just quiting the support SRL. It'll get equal opportunities as any other include for SCAR, support-wise starting from SCAR 3.5.

From: Freddy1990
Hmm, ok, I'm going to say this one last time, I'm not stopping to develop SCAR, I don't plan to any time soon, I'm just quiting the support SRL. It'll get equal opportunities as any other include for SCAR, support-wise starting from SCAR 3.5.

"Other include"? Link please?

1. It's not like people are just having a go at freddy for no reason, think about it. Theres stuff that goes on that doesnt reach the public forums, dont believe the "I did nothing and everyone hates me for no reason" thing.
2. It's not as though everyone does hate you Freddy, from what I can tell everyones just frustrated and annoyed at various things, which again dont reach the public forums - just as this shouldnt have. Obvious cry for attention, it was something said in the dev forum, it should of been discussed maturely in the dev forum. You posted it here in hope of getting people to say "no we love you, stay <33333333333333333333" etc. What did you honestly hope to achieve by posting this topic in this forum?
3. Leave/alienate yourself if you want, it would impact us less than you think. We don't need you, we don't rely on you. But it would be your decision, not ours. No one here actually wants you to leave (that I know of).
4. Please explain what extra support SRL was given…and compared to what? The 1 person who happens to use SCAR for something other than SRL/Runescape?

From: MylesMadness
"Other include"? Link please?

http://code.google.com/p/phoenix-scar-library/

Also, a lot of includes never get a chance and they often aren't for RS, but you seem to be saying that because there are fewer people not using SCAR for RS, that they don't deserve equal opportunities?

From: Freddy1990
http://code.google.com/p/phoenix-scar-library/

Also, a lot of includes never get a chance and they often aren't for RS, but you seem to be saying that because there are fewer people not using SCAR for RS, that they don't deserve equal opportunities?

Yay? A include with functions that srl or scar already has, or is very easy. Face it, srl gave you your popularity.

From: MylesMadness
Yay? A include with functions that srl or scar already has, or is very easy. Face it, srl gave you your popularity.

SCAR was popular before SRL existed.

From: Freddy1990
http://code.google.com/p/phoenix-scar-library/

Also, a lot of includes never get a chance and they often aren't for RS, but you seem to be saying that because there are fewer people not using SCAR for RS, that they don't deserve equal opportunities?

That is one massively used/beastly include. I see no reason for the end of "special treatment" for SRL, as we make up most of your forums, and we use SCAR the most. But hey, your choice, and be happy :D

From: Freddy1990
SCAR was popular before SRL existed.

Yes, with includes that died. Scar would have died with them.

From: MylesMadness
Yay? A include with functions that srl or scar already has, or is very easy. Face it, srl gave you your popularity.

Obviously, but does that mean that he should bow down to it and base SCAR around it?

EDIT: Freddy, SCAR would not have been popular at the time you started developing if not for SRL, so SRL really did give you popularity.

From: mormonman
That is one massively used/beastly include. I see no reason for the end of "special treatment" for SRL, as we make up most of your forums, and we use SCAR the most. But hey, your choice, and be happy :D

Not saying I will stop supporting SRL, just not more or less anymore than any include, anyone who wants a shot at their include can have one. the SCAR 4 concept was designed to promote a growth in includes and not just for RS…

From: bullzeye95
Obviously, but does that mean that he should bow down to it and base SCAR around it?

Does he? Has he ever? Is he likely to in the future? No, no, no, and no.

From: bullzeye95
Obviously, but does that mean that he should bow down to it and base SCAR around it?

EDIT: Freddy, SCAR would not have been popular at the time you started developing if not for SRL, so SRL really did give you popularity.

It means he should not bite the hand that fed him.

From: MylesMadness
It means he should not bite the hand that fed him.

That goes both ways.

From: MylesMadness
It means he should not bite the hand that fed him.

Even if that hand is suffocating him?

From: Freddy1990
Not saying I will stop supporting SRL, just not more or less anymore than any include, anyone who wants a shot at their include can have one. the SCAR 4 concept was designed to promote a growth in includes and not just for RS…

Dude, seriously? You're changing your mind every fucking 10 minutes?

From: Freddy1990
Hmm, ok, I'm going to say this one last time, I'm not stopping to develop SCAR, I don't plan to any time soon, I'm just quiting the support SRL. It'll get equal opportunities as any other include for SCAR, support-wise starting from SCAR 3.5.

And also, how did other includes not have equal opportunities already? They are free to start their own forums and shit too. To me, what you're saying in this thread now sounds like a load of bs.

Pwn't. It's about time and I'm looking forward to seeing it.

As a more general scripting system, SCAR will draw more users, generate more ad revenue, and thus become a more capable, more advanced program.

Everybody stop crying, for the moment you are still his biggest usergroup, so he can't just drop you completely. Any functionality that is removed from future releases can be replaced by plugins; learn to code C or C++ and you will be able to write functions that run even faster than the originals.

Freddy, I hold you in the highest regard for making this decision. You deserve some long overdue respect, perhaps now you will receive it. You're the one working for free, not them. Best wishes to the future!

PS: Speaking of other includes, does anyone have suggestions for another include? I've got a few ideas bouncing around, but I'd like to hear someone else's opinions. PM me!


ADDENDUM:

There is a time where each of us must break off from that which created us and form a new entity. To refuse to do so would impede the growth of both entities. SCAR and SRL grew up together, but for SCAR to continue to grow, it needs to let go of SRL, or it will slowly die. To refuse this separation would be to hold back innovation in SCAR, which would in turn hurt SRL.

From: mormonman
Even if that hand is suffocating him?

I'm just saying you kill the user you kill yourself.

From: The Claw
Dude, seriously? You're changing your mind every fucking 10 minutes?



And also, how did other includes not have equal opportunities already? They are free to start their own forums and shit too. To me, what you're saying in this thread now sounds like a load of bs.

Short of completely throwing it out I've completely disregarded the include system and worked solely on support for SRL…

From: Smartzkid
Pwn't. It's about time and I'm looking forward to seeing it.

As a more general scripting system, SCAR will draw more users, generate more ad revenue, and thus become a more capable, more advanced program.

Everybody stop crying, for the moment you are still his biggest usergroup, so he can't just drop you completely. Any functionality that is removed from future releases can be replaced by plugins; learn to code C or C++ and you will probably be able to write functions that run even faster than the originals.

Freddy, I hold you in the highest regard for making this decision. You deserve some long overdue respect, perhaps now you will receive it. You're the one working for free, not them. Best wishes to the future!

PS: Speaking of other includes, does anyone have suggestions for another include? I've got a few ideas bouncing around, but I'd like to hear someone else's opinions. PM me!

Thank you.

From: Smartzkid
Pwn't. It's about time and I'm looking forward to seeing it.

As a more general scripting system, SCAR will draw more users, generate more ad revenue, and thus become a more capable, more advanced program.

Everybody stop crying, for the moment you are still his biggest usergroup, so he can't just drop you completely. Any functionality that is removed from future releases can be replaced by plugins; learn to code C or C++ and you will probably be able to write functions that run even faster than the originals.

Freddy, I hold you in the highest regard for making this decision. You deserve some long overdue respect, perhaps now you will receive it. You're the one working for free, not them. Best wishes to the future!

PS: Speaking of other includes, does anyone have suggestions for another include? I've got a few ideas bouncing around, but I'd like to hear someone else's opinions. PM me!

Yep because developers and any normal members who script/help out with SRL (the program that made SCAR currently popular as discussed above, without SRL theres basically no SCAR) get paid, right? Freddy makes more off donations than any single developer here. We all get $0, Freddy probably scims a bit off the top of what he gets and puts the rest towards hosting (not saying this is a bad thing, I'd do it too if I got more donations than I needed).

Perfectly said Smartzkid.

From: The Claw
Does he? Has he ever? Is he likely to in the future? No, no, no, and no.

No, I just thought that Myles was saying that Freddy should "bow down to SRL."

From: The Claw
Yep because developers and any normal members who script/help out with SRL (the program that made SCAR currently popular as discussed above, without SRL theres basically no SCAR) get paid, right? Freddy makes more off donations than any single developer here. We all get $0, Freddy probably scims a bit off the top of what he gets and puts the rest towards hosting (not saying this is a bad thing, I'd do it too if I got more donations than I needed).

That's a pretty bold claim, I don't scim everything off of the top, I put everything towards hosting and stuff for my programs. As I'm currently still saving up for a licensed copy of Delphi. So far I've managed to get sponsored by 4 different Delphi component developer to gather all of the components I still required for SCAR 4, so I could invest donations in something else, like hosting and the license.

Also, for those interested, this topic should somewhat give an idea of the SCAR's to come… http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=623371

Scar was fine before you got these "components".

OoOoo didn't mean to say that they get paid, either. Just noting that nobody is paying him to put hours and hours of work into this program, so we should respect his decisions as to the direction the program will take in the future.

From: MylesMadness
Scar was fine before you got these "components".

Maybe because currently I've implemented about 1/20th of them, if at all that much… I don't think you can judge them before you've seen them, also, a lot of features have been requested by users that I can now grant them with these new components…

Close the thread and let him do whatever his heart desires.

From: Freddy1990
Maybe because currently I've implemented about 1/20th of them, if at all that much… I don't think you can judge them before you've seen them, also, a lot of features have been requested by users that I can now grant them with these new components…

Not saying its not better its just not worth $546.96.

From: MylesMadness
Not saying its not better its just not worth $546.96.

Only $371,96 of that I have actually spent, on GUI components which make up part of most if not all of my work now and the script engine for SCAR 4 which supports about any feature ever requested for the script engine, I don't see how that's bad spending… Also, it's not like I keep it a secret what I do with the donations, that's the whole point, people know what they're donating for…

From: Freddy1990
Only $371,96 of that I have actually spent, on GUI components which make up part of most if not all of my work now and the script engine for SCAR 4 which supports about any feature ever requested for the script engine, I don't see how that's bad spending… Also, it's not like I keep it a secret what I do with the donations, that's the whole point, people know what they're donating for…

I not saying its not good, I personally don't think its worth the money.

From: MylesMadness
I not saying its not good, I personally don't think its worth the money.

Well, that's a different matter, I think it is, so… Can't really say much about that… I'm not sure what else I would be supposed to be doing with the donations…

Generally, I'd agree with Myles. I can do without a fancy GUI. In an IDE though, a good GUI can really speed up your programing. In addition, many of the new components will be accessible in our scripts, which will be super handy!

Yeah, and the components I actually bought are really functional and I use them a lot, and most if not all of them, unlike some donated ones like the devexpress components, they're awesome, but I won't need them that much, in that respect it's better I bought the ones I did…

From: Freddy1990
Yeah, and the components I actually bought are really functional and I use them a lot, and most if not all of them, unlike some donated ones like the devexpress components, they're awesome, but I won't need them that much, in that respect it's better I bought the ones I did…

I still don't think the GUI was needed, but prove me wrong with 4.0

From: MylesMadness
I think don't think the GUI was needed, but prove me wrong with 4.0

That I will :D

i think n1ke had good contributes … he was one of the first to try and fix the uptext that time rs updated, i think n1ke is a good contributer and should be allowed back… my personal thought

From: austin2162
i think n1ke had good contributes … he was one of the first to try and fix the uptext that time rs updated, i think n1ke is a good contributer and should be allowed back… my personal thought

Back from where? he didnt get de-dev'ed, suspeneded or anything alike…

That would have been way too harsh for a "crime" that doesn't deserve a punishment

This thread is a freaking cesspool of drama.

Many people here need to either start acting their age or try acting older.

The staff and developers who have posted here have been spamming and cussing, frankly it's not necessary. This includes both Freddy and myself.

Freddy, there was no need for this, and I really don't see why you thought it necessary. Regardless, when you decide you fate, please let us know and don't be arrogant and pull something like this again. It's all I ask.

~N2

From: austin2162
i think n1ke had good contributes … he was one of the first to try and fix the uptext that time rs updated, i think n1ke is a good contributer and should be allowed back… my personal thought

Maybe read the thread before posting ;)



Freddy you know I have great respect for you and I will be honest, I would have quit all together long ago if I were in your shoes and had to put up with as much crap that people give you for something you are doing for them for FREE. In my opinion everyone should show a lot more respect for freddy then what he has been getting lately. Face the blunt truth, SRL CAN NOT exist without SCAR. Sure SRL may have HELPED SCAR become more popular but it DID NOT make SCAR popular. The relationship between SRL and SCAR as it has been in the past has an effect on both. SCAR makes SRL more popular as SRL makes SCAR more popular. The thing is, SCAR doesn't need SRL to exist, SRL needs SCAR to exist. Freddy does not need us, we need Freddy. I am actually extremely disappointed in the behaivor of some of the members of the SRL community, especially ones in upper ranks, not only in response in this thread but in their attitude towards Freddy in general. Am I saying you have to like him or have to be friends with him? No. All I am saying is show a little respect for Freddy and all of his work. You may hate someone but that does not stop you from respecting them when they deserve that respect.

My 40 cents

Actually we don't need Freddy, the binaries still exist, but that is besides the point. If he were to leave, it would mean someone would create a usable alternative.

But now that he is finally seeing how much we "respect" him, why doesn't he leave? Obviously he has something to gain, or likes the asskissery.

So, Freddy, please leave.


EDIT: Also, SRL helped SCAR more than you people are letting on to.

From: N1ke!
Remember people, this thread still goes by rules.

Don't spam in here, Back on topic.


Freddy, how come you don't answer my questions :<?

I seem to remember you telling me off once for backseat modding, now i see you do it all the time.

Ironically telling someone off for backseat modding is backseat modding.

From: R0b0t1
Ironically telling someone off for backseat modding is backseat modding.

telling someone off for tellings someone off for backseat modding is back seat modding. :norris:

From: Neehosoft
telling someone off for tellings someone off for backseat modding is back seat modding. :norris:

/End cycle of spam

Please stay on topic

From: Hobbit
/End cycle of spam

Please stay on topic

sorry lol. Please dont give me a 3rd refraction…

From: Harry
Wow, all of you retards doing Nazi jokes are very fucking immature. Can't you see YOU are the cancer causing this whole situation to escalate?

+ And the spammers who doesn't take this thread serious! If Freddy is serious about this (I am sure he is) then you all should TAKE THIS SERIOUS! Really! Stop spamming! :mad:

Oh, and I love you too Freddy, please don't do this, it would cause the end of SRL :(

By the way: I have moved out of the thread now, so if anyone quotes me then I wont answer.

From: Hobbit
Maybe read the thread before posting ;)



Freddy you know I have great respect for you and I will be honest, I would have quit all together long ago if I were in your shoes and had to put up with as much crap that people give you for something you are doing for them for FREE. In my opinion everyone should show a lot more respect for freddy then what he has been getting lately. Face the blunt truth, SRL CAN NOT exist without SCAR. Sure SRL may have HELPED SCAR become more popular but it DID NOT make SCAR popular. The relationship between SRL and SCAR as it has been in the past has an effect on both. SCAR makes SRL more popular as SRL makes SCAR more popular. The thing is, SCAR doesn't need SRL to exist, SRL needs SCAR to exist. Freddy does not need us, we need Freddy. I am actually extremely disappointed in the behaivor of some of the members of the SRL community, especially ones in upper ranks, not only in response in this thread but in their attitude towards Freddy in general. Am I saying you have to like him or have to be friends with him? No. All I am saying is show a little respect for Freddy and all of his work. You may hate someone but that does not stop you from respecting them when they deserve that respect.

My 40 cents

To defend my matureness.. I made a joke in a closed forum.
He cries..

This starts looking like those 5 year olds which want their parents attention.
He won't answer my posts, tho I've said 4 times that he should?

This would never happen to Kaitnieks, as guess what, He wasn't ignorant
to the finger tips. He didn't have that attitude that you bring freddy..

Now everyone thinks I'm the bad boy, fine with that.. you have no idea
whats been going on, I didn't make that joke because I had nothing to do,
there was somewhat a reason, which Hobbit, if you read you'll actually
understand it.

Have a great life, you stubborn child..

~ N1ke!

I like you Freddy..

~Home

I like you N1ke!

Edit:
Just wanted to say I looked up to you Freddy but recently ive changed my mind…

From: Simtoon
I like you N1ke!

Edit:
Just wanted to say I looked up to you Freddy but recently ive changed my mind…

Why have you changed your mind on Freddy? We <3 him! Are you just sucking up to N1ke or something? Read the whole thread before you post.

From: R1ch
Why have you changed your mind on Freddy? We <3 him! Are you just sucking up to N1ke or something? Read the whole thread before you post.

Freddy made SCAR have to thank him alot for that. But i changed my mind, cause of personal reasons…

I don't suck up.. Your looking at the wrong person.

Yeah, when I saw the title 'The Last Drop' I was like "0mg fr33 milz!!"!

Sadly, no.

Well, it seems we're all fighting over something which will carry on in a vicious circle. There is simply no point in an argument. Honestly, this thread is an overnight winner, 6 pages in under 12 hours. Good luck winning your award guys..

<3 Freddy.

From: Simtoon
Freddy made SCAR have to thank him alot for that. But i changed my mind, cause of personal reasons…

I don't suck up.. Your looking at the wrong person.

Freddy didn't make SCAR, Kaitnieks did. Iirc SRL was using SCAR 2.x for a long time, Freddy started trying to develop his own SCAR-like bot, until he convinced Kaitnieks to give him the source to SCAR to develop it further.

This is way too exaggerated. In my eyes it wasn't even a joke, it was just to express how Nike felt. Not compare Freddy to Hitler in any way..

There's no point in arguing any further when this is between Freddy and Nike (more Freddy than Nike if I read this thread). Everyone one has made his point, so I'll just close this..

Uncle Wizzup can't even leave SRL for two days it seems. ;)

Getting back, I was amazed at Freddy making a public thread rather than a private thread, he still holds the rank of SRL Developer, even though he hasn't really worked on it in a long time, so he would have easily posted in the SRL Developers Section. This looks more like a lame cry-out. Public threads like this only create chaos, and won't do SCAR or SRL any good.

As for Freddy's decision, I'm a bit puzzled. What exactly is the decision, and what is the reason?
Reading over this thread, it seems more like an announcement for a "Phoenix" library rather than any change in SCAR. (If the Download SRL… stays too, what exactly does change?)

Disregarding that, I am disappointed about the people who made these Nazi jokes. Even though Freddy generally does take things way too seriously, I don't see why you would make posts like these.

As for Freddy's decision (whatever it is, exactly), I don't really see a downside, but it should have been announced differently.

I realize this thread was closed, but I felt I should have the chance to express my thoughts upon this matter.