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RM told me to make a poll on this.

Man from Czech, Mage of Begu, Hey321…etc. have all been banned for life (even though they came back..) for stealing Runescape pixels. I believe that plagiarizing and selling a guide for real life money is a >= crime than stealing Runescape gp/accounts, so there should be the same consequences.

What action do you think should be taken?

I'd say a temporary ban (1-3 months) with loss of membership (possibly being barred from it, like Sandstorm and Iroki) and a ban from the market (might not be necessary if he's barred from SRL Members anyway) would be appropriate. Permanent bans don't mean that much, most people (if they really want to) will show that they've changed and come back. I think it'd be better to just have a set time and let that expire before allowing him back.

Other: Nothing.

Unless you can prove he originally took the idea from you and simply did not guess/become informed that it was what you were selling, ok. Otherwise, no. You can not patent and idea, you patent an implementation.

High-up fags can not exact "justice" because they are high-up fags.

EDIT: Also, add a nothing option. You're either purposely or not weighting the poll towards banning by removing said option.

From: R0b0t1

Unless you can prove he originally took the idea from you and simply did not guess/become informed that it was what you were selling, ok. Otherwise, no. You can not patent and idea, you patent an implementation.

In the chat screenshots on the other thread he says he bought JAD's idea (followed up by the classic 'My brother did it', or in this case, 'My brother knew it too') then because 'his brother knew about it' he thought it would be OK to sell, even though he first learned it from JAD. (Brother story sounds like bs to me)

He thought so, and yes, it is perfectly fine. If JAD does not like this, JAD does not like it.

Like I said before, it's most certainly not the most secret method. JAD was "selling" something that anyone could find out after about 5 minutes of asking around.

Also, think of it this way: You make a script for a certain money making thing, and you start selling it. Someone else figures out that method, and makes a different script. Would you be mad at them?

From: R0b0t1
He thought so, and yes, it is perfectly fine. If JAD does not like this, JAD does not like it.

Like I said before, it's most certainly not the most secret method. JAD was "selling" something that anyone could find out after about 5 minutes of asking around.

Also, think of it this way: You make a script for a certain money making thing, and you start selling it. Someone else figures out that method, and makes a different script. Would you be mad at them?

The method is simple, and could be figured out with a look at herblore, but that's the thing, nobody (excluding the people JAD has sold/given it to, and maybe a couple others) knows about it, making it valuable. You're not going to figure something like that out by asking around for 5 minutes.

This is different. It's more like, I make a script, I sell it to a guy and make him agree not to tell/give anyone the script. He ignores that and sells my script (or makes another identical script, doesn't matter much; in this case you can't really compare ideas and scripts) to other people anyway.

Unless you can prove that The Man is stealing and selling JAD's actual guide then I don't think he's guilty of plagiarism.

Like R0b0t said, for example, someone sold a Sudoku script that does what our Ali Raper does and someone else sees that idea and writes his own script to sell. You can't say the second guy has done anything wrong.

So until we get conclusive evidence, Other: No ban + apology

The Man bought the guide off of JAD. You can take my word for it or you can ask zasz and see if anything remains from his forums.

~RM

I say unban him. How is SRL related to this? Why should we take action for something we do not support yet?

You cannot compare this to account stealing at all. That happened on the forums, in the scripts we host.

Currently, it is against the rules to buy/sell things on the forums. If something goes on behind our backs, why should we take action? It is the risk you take.

Rasta: If you are on holidays, you don't have to deal with these things.. :p

From: Rasta Magician
The Man bought the guide off of JAD. You can take my word for it or you can ask zasz and see if anything remains from his forums.

~RM

That may be so, but its like buying a script, then writing your own script that does the same thing and selling that.

From: nielsie95
I say unban him. How is SRL related to this? Why should we take action for something we do not support yet?

You cannot compare this to account stealing at all. That happened on the forums, in the scripts we host.

Currently, it is against the rules to buy/sell things on the forums. If something goes on behind our backs, why should we take action? It is the risk you take.

Rasta: If you are on holidays, you don't have to deal with these things.. :p

But you should also unban NiiX.

From: nielsie95
I say unban him. How is SRL related to this? Why should we take action for something we do not support yet?

You cannot compare this to account stealing at all. That happened on the forums, in the scripts we host.

Currently, it is against the rules to buy/sell things on the forums. If something goes on behind our backs, why should we take action? It is the risk you take.

Rasta: If you are on holidays, you don't have to deal with these things.. :p

That's true, but I always thought it was SRL's policy to not have any scammers at SRL? Especially not in SRL Members+. At the very least the Banned From Market cup would apply to him.

From: ZephyrsFury
That may be so, but its like buying a script, then writing your own script that does the same thing and selling that.

However, the idea came on the condition that he would not tell anyone what it is, making it completely different.

I actually agree with R0b0t1 on this one. I think he should be banned from the black market, but not necessarily be temp banned (although it's too late for that now) or lose his member status.

Black Market banned, stuck at SRL Members.

Not like he was really going anywhere though… (sorry to be frank on that one)

From: nielsie95
I say unban him. How is SRL related to this? Why should we take action for something we do not support yet?

You cannot compare this to account stealing at all. That happened on the forums, in the scripts we host.

Currently, it is against the rules to buy/sell things on the forums. If something goes on behind our backs, why should we take action? It is the risk you take.

Rasta: If you are on holidays, you don't have to deal with these things.. :p

There are probably several people here who have gotten banned from account stealing w/o the usage of getting anything from a script. I don't know for sure but people have given people passwords and stolen stuff, we would still take action against that even if it wasn't script obtained and had nothing to do with this forum…

Unban now, Stick to SRL members, and a trade with caution cup? (Meaning we'll have to make one ^^).

Banned from market at the absolute minimum.

Temp Ban, Stripped from members (stuck at JM), no market.

Notice: I am high and am pretty sure this is the decision i want. However, i might change my mind tomorrow

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
Temp Ban, Stripped from members (stuck at JM), no market.

Notice: I am high and am pretty sure this is the decision i want. However, i might change my mind tomorrow

~RM

I agree with this.

If there are still doubts that he bought my guide I have proof in pm's if necessary…


I'm surprised to see so many different opinions on this though to be honest. The Man didn't know about this method before buying my guide. After buying my guide, he sells the exact same piece of information. Whatever you want to call that, it can at least be considered not cool :p

From: rasta magician
notice: I am high and am pretty sure this is the decision i want. However, i might change my mind tomorrow

LOLa

From: Rasta Magician
Temp Ban, Stripped from members (stuck at JM), no market.

Notice: I am high and am pretty sure this is the decision i want. However, i might change my mind tomorrow

~RM

I stick by my decision.

~RM

From: JAD
I agree with this.

If there are still doubts that he bought my guide I have proof in pm's if necessary…


I'm surprised to see so many different opinions on this though to be honest. The Man didn't know about this method before buying my guide. After buying my guide, he sells the exact same piece of information. Whatever you want to call that, it can at least be considered not cool :p

There are no doubts that he bought you guide. However there are doubts as to whether he is selling your guide as it is or just getting the idea and writing his own thing.

In the end this is my opinions: Unban and no other action taken.

If you are going to unban him then also unban Niix.

Temp ban; that way you can stick him with the 'scammer' cup.

From: R0b0t1
High-up fags can not exact "justice" because they are high-up fags.

Isn't that what the government does?

I believe I said this before: Me and my friends knew about this around two years ago. Granted the market makes or breaks this, but still. IT IS NOT NEW. Until you can prove this is JAD's idea, and his only, if The Man is banned so should JAD, as JAD is technically selling someone's idea until proven otherwise.


EDIT: Smartz, yes, but that does not mean it is right.

From: R0b0t1
I believe I said this before: Me and my friends knew about this around two years ago. Granted the market makes or breaks this, but still. IT IS NOT NEW. Until you can prove this is JAD's idea, and his only, if The Man is banned so should JAD, as JAD is technically selling someone's idea until proven otherwise.


EDIT: Smartz, yes, but that does not mean it is right.

JAD did not agree to anyone that he would not sell/tell anyone it, regardless of whether or not someone told him or he figured it out himself (I think the latter). The main reason The Man should be banned is because he agreed to not tell anyone. Compare this to a less virtual situation; You sold your friend a book that you wrote on how to make money (in real life). It contains information a loophole in the system that you found and tells you how to take advantage of it. You sell it to him on the condition that no one else will hear of it. Now, your friend not only tells someone about it, but he uses it for his own gain by selling it. If that can't be called a scam, it is most definitely a betrayal of trust, a quality that I believe SRL doesn't want around here.

From: nielsie95
I say unban him. How is SRL related to this? Why should we take action for something we do not support yet?

You cannot compare this to account stealing at all. That happened on the forums, in the scripts we host.

Currently, it is against the rules to buy/sell things on the forums. If something goes on behind our backs, why should we take action? It is the risk you take.

Rasta: If you are on holidays, you don't have to deal with these things.. :p

It's a matter of integrity, something all SRL members should have…

I say we eat his cookies and kick him in the nutz…

From: Freddy1990
It's a matter of integrity, something all SRL members should have…

I say we eat his cookies and kick him in the nutz…

Lol.



@R0bot, I believe that I've said this before. Your friends never told me the method, and neither did you. I found it out on my own, The Man did not. The Man found out about the method through me. Therefore, he used information that I gave him for profit. I did not use information you and your friends gave me to profit, I found it out on my own. There's a very subtle difference there if you read it right..

Da 0wner got banned because of betrayal of trust, slightly different scenario, but same sort of thing.

You could also bring in the fact that The Man had 7 infractions/warnings, and at one time 6 points were active. I say this coupled with selling this guide on is worthy of a temp ban and removal of SRL Membership.

It's been on runescape wikia since feb, but the point is the agreement to not spread it around, especially not for money.

Da 0wner did something directly related to the forums.

So what? If I turn around and try to sell this idea now, JAD would start bitching at me? Even though the idea may or may not be of my origin?

EDIT: Jad, it does not matter. I thought of it before you and claim rights to all money you made selling said idea.

Like I said in the other thread, its the agreement he is breaking.