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Yo. Pretty serious business, this is going on atm. AT&T and Cogent (American ISPs) are confirmed to be blocking their customer's access to 4chan's /b/ and /r9k/. This should not be allowed. Anyone here effected?

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/AT%26T_Blocks_4chan

They should find a new /b/ website?

A lot of these sites are blocked by our goverment already(sweden).

Not much you can do about it :garfield:

No, we should fight for our right to uncensored internet.

From: The Claw
No, we should fight for our right to uncensored internet.

Australia is going to have Filters on the net.

You don't live in america why does it concern you

<3 The Netherlands.

From: cycrosism
You don't live in america why does it concern you

Because this affects the whole world. If even 1 ISP (in a non-third world country, not like china or finland or whatever) is allowed to get away with it then before you know it it will be blocked here too. And who's to say they'll stop at 4chan? If they get away with blocking 4chan, they'll get away with blocking warez, sites on political/ethical issues etc. Basically whatever they decide.

From: The Claw
No, we should fight for our right to uncensored internet.

I agree with you totally, i think this is wrong.

~Home

I think 4chan is fucking wrong. If it wasnt full of shock material then its okay.

k….what can we do about it? start DDoSing them? lol

Just a matter of time before /b/ launches a big action/raid/whatever to get unrestricted internet access again.

From: Markus
Just a matter of time before /b/ launches a big action/raid/whatever to get unrestricted internet access again.

It's already underway, and its not really a raid, more of a public outcry of /b/tards and other internet citizens in general. Check the ED to see what everyones doing

give a cheer for the /b/tards!

From: Markus
Just a matter of time before /b/ launches a big action/raid/whatever to get unrestricted internet access again.

I lold
little /b/tards scurrying into the goverment buildings and becoming suicide bombers

Those no-lifers might actually get their life back.

While I couldn't care less that /b/ itself is being blocked, this sets a bad precedent, which could get sites that I DO care about blocked, because they may be objectionable to some people.

I don't care for 4chan, but if they get away with this then they could ban site that I love. How can we help?

They'll back down. Entire countries will have no monetary loss if they block sites, but individual companies like AT&T or Cogent will. People will switch to other ISPs, and money will be lost.

EDIT: From http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/27/054230/ATampT-Blocks-Part-of-4chan: "Readers' comments below suggest that a) the purpose of the block was to curtail the effects of a serious DDoS attack and b) that the block has now been lifted, at least for some regions."

Didn't obama say something about the internet security too?

well he said to stop or lower down bootleg videos lol, like that's going to happen…

From: ~~Joker~~
Didn't obama say something about the internet security too?

well he said to stop or lower down bootleg videos lol, like that's going to happen…

Obama's a fucking terrorist.
This health care plan is spending more than its saving, and this internet "security" is bullshit.

From: noidea
Obama's a fucking terrorist.
This health care plan is spending more than its saving, and this internet "security" is bullshit.

wtf dude chill lol haha

i think its a joke on 4chan's part.

AT&T (SBC Yahoo) is my ISP and they havent blocked off any part of 4chan for me.

everyone just needs to clam down. -.-

From: legendaryhero90
i think its a joke on 4chan's part.

AT&T (SBC Yahoo) is my ISP and they havent blocked off any part of 4chan for me.

everyone just needs to clam down. -.-

Because they removed it before they got raped by /b/tards

what are /b/ and r9k sites?
cuz im pretty sure im ok with the US blocking terrorist weapon selling sites….

From: Ouivile
what are /b/ and r9k sites?
cuz im pretty sure im ok with the US blocking terrorist weapon selling sites….

They're much worse than terrorist weapon selling sites.

well what exactly?
edit: looked it up on wiki.
4chan is a site comparable to a forum(deviant art is closer) its basically just a bunch of random stuff/post-anything-u-want stuff?
/b/ section is the "random stuff" section and 4chan has been known to lead into revolts markebly the scientology revolt.
wth how is that worse than terrorist sites?

From: Ouivile
well what exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29

Well, I got AT&T and im accessing http://img.4chan.org/b/2.html

me personally, idk whats so good about it.


Saw this as someones name on there.



AT&T: 4chan block due to DDoS attack coming from 4chan IPs Anonymous 07/27/09(Mon)13:44:49 No.148861954 [Reply]

From: The Claw
Because this affects the whole world. If even 1 ISP (in a non-third world country, not like china or finland or whatever) is allowed to get away with it then before you know it it will be blocked here too. And who's to say they'll stop at 4chan? If they get away with blocking 4chan, they'll get away with blocking warez, sites on political/ethical issues etc. Basically whatever they decide.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me -
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemöller

In Finland they're just blocking sites containing child pornography, as far as I know, and there was some stuff about some law that if you work for some big corporation your employer could read your work email.

Also, I wouldn't care too much even if the whole world would block 4chan, as I don't go there too much anymore because I'm pretty tired with the porn, kids spamming stuff to be cool on the internet, old jokes everyone's heard and seen a 1000 times already, gore that even 5 year olds are immune to these days, and I don't need to go there to get some feeling of power and belonging from the "WE ARE ANONYMOUS WE ARE LEGION WOO WE RULE AND WE'RE SO COOL LULZ" crap due to real life. I do visit some finnish "alternatives" because there aren't tons and tons of people there spamming 24/7 (chance of some actual discussion) and there aren't too many 13 year olds there.

From: GoF
In Finland they're just blocking sites containing child pornography, as far as I know, and there was some stuff about some law that if you work for some big corporation your employer could read your work email.

Also, I wouldn't care too much even if the whole world would block 4chan, as I don't go there too much anymore because I'm pretty tired with the porn, kids spamming stuff to be cool on the internet, old jokes everyone's heard and seen a 1000 times already, gore that even 5 year olds are immune to these days, and I don't need to go there to get some feeling of power and belonging from the "WE ARE ANONYMOUS WE ARE LEGION WOO WE RULE AND WE'RE SO COOL LULZ" crap due to real life. I do visit some finnish "alternatives" because there aren't tons and tons of people there spamming 24/7 (chance of some actual discussion) and there aren't too many 13 year olds there.

Oh I dont care much about 4chan, its just the principle of the thing.

I am on AT&T, our internet went down two days ago, and just before that I was browsing /b/ for the first time in a while.

I just checked, and no, they are not blocking /b/.

This is not China. I will not allow this. AT&T has always had far better service than the only other viable ISP around here (west michigan), which is comcast. My service is steady and my upstream doesn't suck. If they follow through with this, then I will absolutely be switching my service, and AT&T will be getting a hell of an earful from me.

From: GoF
In Finland they're just blocking sites containing child pornography, as far as I know, and there was some stuff about some law that if you work for some big corporation your employer could read your work email.

I'm pretty sure employers in most countries are allowed to read their employees' work email.

From: GoF

Also, I wouldn't care too much even if the whole world would block 4chan, as I don't go there too much anymore because I'm pretty tired with the porn, kids spamming stuff to be cool on the internet, old jokes everyone's heard and seen a 1000 times already, gore that even 5 year olds are immune to these days, and I don't need to go there to get some feeling of power and belonging from the "WE ARE ANONYMOUS WE ARE LEGION WOO WE RULE AND WE'RE SO COOL LULZ" crap due to real life. I do visit some finnish "alternatives" because there aren't tons and tons of people there spamming 24/7 (chance of some actual discussion) and there aren't too many 13 year olds there.

That's only /b/. The rest of 4chan is much better.

nooo there cencoring things =/
imo, who cares if people have acces to the shit on /b/. if its not illigal and its not hurting anyone, then w/e. Though i do think all the /b/ tards should get themselves off the computer and get a life, no offence to the ones that do ;P

Proxy anyway.

i dont think a proxy will work for this :P

http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/07/att-4chan-block-due-to-ddos-attack-coming-from-4chan-ips.ars

The server that also happened to be img.4chan.org was DDoSing some random AT&T customer. If you DDoSed pretty much anyone, your entire IP would be blocked on that company until about a minute after you stopped. No one's censoring anything, it's just an automated system to stop their network from crashing like the DDoS is trying to do. (Actually, I suppose it's just a DoS since it's only the 4chan image server.)

what is a DDos / Dos btw? i know it has to do with attacking a server somehow, by over rideing it with requests?

From: lancerawks aka Lance
what is a DDos / Dos btw? i know it has to do with attacking a server somehow, by over rideing it with requests?

(Distributed) Denial of Service. Wikipedia can explain it better than I can, but you've got the general gist of it.

p2p web hostiong??? fuck the law. the internet if for everyone and its free of law.

I'd hate to be those ISPs, lol

From: sk8terbitu
p2p web hostiong??? fuck the law. the internet if for everyone and its free of law.

It totally isn't.. Okay, lets make spam legal, have hacking sites everywhere and remove all spamfilters!! YAY!!!

From: Laur€ns
It totally isn't.. Okay, lets make spam legal, have hacking sites everywhere and remove all spamfilters!! YAY!!!

4chan isn't a hacking site lol?

Wwjd?

From: Laur€ns
It totally isn't.. Okay, lets make spam legal, have hacking sites everywhere and remove all spamfilters!! YAY!!!

Lets add other ignorant people to the Internet too! YAY!

From: Hugolord
4chan isn't a hacking site lol?

It's not. It just happens to have some hackers and crackers hanging out on it.

From: senrath
It's not. It just happens to have some hackers and crackers hanging out on it.

I think that people abuse the word `hacker' too often. A cracker cracks and steals things, a hacker is just a term for a person who never stops learning and tries to solve (hard) problems, and much more… Just read the article: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

From: Wizzup?
I think that people abuse the word `hacker' too often. A cracker cracks and steals things, a hacker is just a term for a person who never stops learning and tries to solve (hard) problems, and much more… Just read the article: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

Which is why is said both hackers and crackers hang out there. I'm a hacker (albeit a rather poor one) and I hang out there from time to time, as do some other hackers that I know.

From: Wizzup?
I think that people abuse the word `hacker' too often. A cracker cracks and steals things, a hacker is just a term for a person who never stops learning and tries to solve (hard) problems, and much more… Just read the article: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

I see you posting that every-time, it's just that people see movies and they learn hackers are people with nice computers that can hack the FBI in 1 sec.

From: Hermen
I see you posting that every-time, it's just that people see movies and they learn hackers are people with nice computers that can hack the FBI in 1 sec.

I mainly post the smart-questions one, actually. ;)

Here's what happened:

For the past three weeks, 4chan has been under a constant DDoS attack. We were able to filter this specific type of attack in a fashion that was more or less transparent to the end user.

Unfortunately, as an unintended consequence of the method used, some Internet users received errant traffic from one of our network switches. A handful happened to be AT&T customers.

In response, AT&T filtered all traffic to and from our img.4chan.org IPs (which serve /b/ & /r9k/) for their entire network, instead of only the affected customers. AT&T did not contact us prior to implementing the block. Here is their statement regarding the matter.

In the end, this wasn't a sinister act of censorship, but rather a bit of a mistake and a poorly executed, disproportionate response on AT&T's part. Whoever pulled the trigger on blackholing the site probably didn't anticipate [nor intend] the consequences of doing so.

We're glad to see this short-lived debacle has prompted renewed interest and debate over net neutrality and internet censorship—two very important issues that don't get nearly enough attention—so perhaps this was all just a blessing in disguise.

Aside from that, I'll also add that there is some big news due later this week. Keep an eye on the News page, Twitter, and global message for updates.

As always, I can be reached at [email]moot@4chan.org[/email].

source: status.4chan.org

From: Feroc1ty
source: status.4chan.org

like i said… its probably a prank on 4ch's part.

From: The Claw
Because this affects the whole world. If even 1 ISP (in a non-third world country, not like china or finland or whatever) is allowed to get away with it then before you know it it will be blocked here too. And who's to say they'll stop at 4chan? If they get away with blocking 4chan, they'll get away with blocking warez, sites on political/ethical issues etc. Basically whatever they decide.

Just thought that I'd point out that China and Finland are definitely NOT third world countries. Yes I see what you are getting at, but there is a difference between third world and censored. If I misunderstood you, then I'm sorry but a non-third world country, not like china or finland or whatever gives that implication.

From: legendaryhero90
like i said… its probably a prank on 4ch's part.

Except that it wasn't, you know, a prank.

From: senrath
Except that it wasn't, you know, a prank.

then what is it!?

terrorists' taking over the net?

massive hackers DDoS-ing the world's servers?

i dont think so.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10296152-36.html

From: legendaryhero90
then what is it!?

terrorists' taking over the net?

massive hackers DDoS-ing the world's servers?

i dont think so.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10296152-36.html

No, it was just some idiots trying to take down 4chan with a DDoS. The countermeasures that 4chan then took ended up accidentally flooding some AT&T customers with traffic, which caused AT&T to temporarily block 4chan.

hahahahha verizon ftw