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I need to bring this up, its been bugging me since reflection came out. All you people who don't use reflection because "its to easy" sound like my grandma who won't use a computer because it to easy. We gave you the best tools, and turn them down. How about you don't use Mouse because it to easy? What about FindNormalRandoms? There both one line. Those are both to easy for you guys. Maybe make your own?

If you haven't noticed we're the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

From: MylesMadness
I need to bring this up, its been bugging me since reflection came out. All you people who don't use reflection because "its to easy" sound like my grandma who won't use a computer because it to easy. We gave you the best tools, and turn them down. How about you don't use Mouse because it to easy? What about FindNormalRandoms? There both one line. Those are both to easy for you guys. Maybe make your own?

If you haven't noticed were the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

It's not about easy or hard, its about challenging what we know, making new in-roads, solving problems, learning new things. We do it not because it is easy but because it is challenging. You feel proud, with the end-product, be it color or reflection

were - we're.
SRL's not meant to attract that much attention, that's extremely counter-productive to what we do:

To blend in among fellow players, cloaked and in disguise; without anybody noticing or rejecting our presence.

Srl makes it to easy, make an entire script without srl. All your points you guys have can be countered by the fact you use srl.

From: MylesMadness
Srl makes it to easy, make an entire script without srl. All your points you guys have can be countered by the fact you use srl.

Read my post. I am neither on one side or the other, I was just referring to the front page.

I agree with Myles, we can still be the best community, and have a really easy to script bot with it. Some people just like the "old-skool" feel.

If you want reflection, then there are plenty of other bots out there that do that.
SRL is not a bot or a script, but a community of skilled scripters. You do not get skilled scripters if the extent of what they have to do is call one line and be guaranteed an accurate result for every possible situation - SRL does not guarantee you will get from A to B, it does not guarantee you will find the object you wish. I honestly think this is a great community, because it's encouraging many people (dare I say children?) to take on a tough, mental challenge and enjoy it regardless of the outcome. I also strongly believe that it sets in place many important skills for actual programming and problem solving skills as well.

My second view is that reflection is counter productive to one of SRL's main belief of a leecherless environment. With people being able to churn out any script with great ease compared to colour, there should be no shortage of scripts and so no encouragement for people to learn to script. Some people still will, but not many. Not only that, but a large amount of working scripts would only encourage people from other communities to stream over too, but not to contribute. Sure, more people are good, but I would prefer 10 new people a week that actually at least tempted to learn to script rather than 1000 new people a week who want scripts.

Who said reflection is faster than color?
Anyway, if anyone should use reflection then the script making part isn't interesting anymore because I am sure I could at least make one script a day.
I just use my multi-player general main-loop implant walking do some banking do some this some that. Done.
If you like to use reflection I do not care you are still a good scripter, and it might be even a better choice.

From: mixster
If you want reflection, then there are plenty of other bots out there that do that.
SRL is not a bot or a script, but a community of skilled scripters. You do not get skilled scripters if the extent of what they have to do is call one line and be guaranteed an accurate result for every possible situation - SRL does not guarantee you will get from A to B, it does not guarantee you will find the object you wish. I honestly think this is a great community, because it's encouraging many people (dare I say children?) to take on a tough, mental challenge and enjoy it regardless of the outcome. I also strongly believe that it sets in place many important skills for actual programming and problem solving skills as well.

My second view is that reflection is counter productive to one of SRL's main belief of a leecherless environment. With people being able to churn out any script with great ease compared to colour, there should be no shortage of scripts and so no encouragement for people to learn to script. Some people still will, but not many. Not only that, but a large amount of working scripts would only encourage people from other communities to stream over too, but not to contribute. Sure, more people are good, but I would prefer 10 new people a week that actually at least tempted to learn to script rather than 1000 new people a week who want scripts.

You have just spoken from my heart. That was even good to read. Rep+
And I think I am one of that new ones who wants to learn. I have already learned a lot, solved a bunch of problems alone and with the help of this great community. I'm not realy a children tho :).

From: Hermen
Who said reflection is faster than color?

It is

From: MylesMadness
It is

Actually colour is more efficient, but reflection is probably faster in game because its more accurate.

From: MylesMadness
I need to bring this up, its been bugging me since reflection came out. All you people who don't use reflection because "its to easy" sound like my grandma who won't use a computer because it to easy. We gave you the best tools, and turn them down. How about you don't use Mouse because it to easy? What about FindNormalRandoms? There both one line. Those are both to easy for you guys. Maybe make your own?

If you haven't noticed we're the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

Cool story, Bro.It's the scripter's choice for how they do there own work. Color can work just as good as reflection. So either way it shouldn't really matter to you. And, you can make you're own script if it bugs you so much.

From: MylesMadness
If you haven't noticed we're the slowest bot, we need to show everyone how strong this community is when we pull out the good stuff instead of hiding in our caves.

If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so… Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record…

From: Freddy1990
If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so… Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record…

Yeah, because there abused. Nexus and Scar don't get abused. So if we move to reflection we wouldn't be more abused then we already are.

From: MylesMadness
Yeah, because there abused. Nexus and Scar don't get abused. So if we move to reflection we would be more abused then we already are.

What? Being abused is a good thing??

From: NaumanAkhlaQ
What? Being abused is a good thing??

Wouldn't. Typo

From: Freddy1990
If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so… Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record…

And look at that SCAR and neXus are both color scriptable bots. Is this a coincidence?, I don't think so. SCAR and neXus are still around because there takes a little bit of thinking and more challenge to make something close to perfect… which in return makes more dedicated scripters/member in the community

If people want to use reflection NOTHING is stopping them. Method keeps the hooks up-to-date pretty much hours within any update. The reflection include is developing at a constant rate.

I honestly don't see the point in this thread…

From: HyperSecret
And look at that SCAR and neXus are both color scriptable bots. Is this a coincidence?, I don't think so.

Both offer the capabilities to use reflection, and from what I've seen that's the dominant form of scripting over at RSCheata.

Nexus is not being 'raped'?
You must be kidding me.

im not on either side, but i have some points.

color: its fun, and challenging to script with. if you do it well it would be a good script. if i want to script for the fun of it, and efficiency doesnt really matter, i would go with color

reflection: its more efficiant, and if i wanted a script that would be more flawless, i would use reflection.

Why do you care if other people don't use reflection? It's your choice to use it or not.

SRL doesn't make scripting easy, it makes it possible. It gives the tools to build really great autos for Runescape. This is still called srl-forums, not reflection-forums. My choice to use SRL instead of reflection does not affect you, so why do you care?

I think what Myles is trying to say is that using reflection would benefit the community as a whole more than color could. That's mainly because, in almost every aspect except a select few, reflection is more efficient, more accurate, etc. than color. Now if you want to make a complicated script, and don't want to use reflection because it's too short/simple, why not make a huge script, such as an AIO script? That would be challenging enough to give you that good feeling of making something great at the end, and it would benefit the community much more than your flawless one location miner.

Another thing - is Color really that much more complex than reflection? I don't have much say in this, seeing as I've never created a working fully color script, but from my early learning days I felt like I was collecting data much longer than I was actually scripting. Now that makes me feel as if this 'complexity' is just those hours of making tons of (D)DTMs, getting radians for RRW, setting up TPAs, etc. Correct me if I'm missing some huge point…

Just throwing this out there - Which breaks more often, Color or Reflection?

From: Richard
Actually colour is more efficient, but reflection is probably faster in game because its more accurate.

So searching the whole client for specific arrangement of colors with a tolerance is more efficient than hooking into runescape client and getting the exact coordinates of it through memory is more efficient?

Please, go on, I want to hear more.

From: Freddy1990
If you haven't noticed, all of those "fast bots" burn and die after half a year or so… Aside from SCAR, neXus is the only other cheat for RS with a decent track record…

What were these 'fast bots'?

From: Feroc1ty
So searching the whole client for specific arrangement of colors with a tolerance is more efficient than hooking into runescape client and getting the exact coordinates of it through memory is more efficient?

Please, go on, I want to hear more.

+1. Can't really think of anything that color could beat reflection at. Though from time to time when scripting I find that color does something better than reflection, but it's never a majorly significant part.

From: Method
Both offer the capabilities to use reflection, and from what I've seen that's the dominant form of scripting over at RSCheata.

I know. Full reflection hasn't always been offered over at RSCheata either afaik. I know they ALWAYS did the tile walking via reflection but everything else was used via color, IIRC…lately I believe ruler has been implementing reflection to do everything, or has been for a little while now…

From: Runescapian aka Tad
What were these 'fast bots'?

Even though I haven't been playing RuneScape (nor cheating in it) for years and years by now… I have (every now and then) been viewing discussions about current "cheating trends" int it…

There has been at least these bots/tools, that have died within time/due to RuneScape updates, while SCAR has been a huge "survivor":

AutoRune
SBoT
ReiBot
RuneBot
Ares
Aryan
ARGA
Bender
RSDemon

..and PLENTY of others really (yes, during all that time SCAR has been alive & doing very well!).

+ SCAR is one of the only macros that has been/can be used for other games/purposes… ..and that by the way, is a fact.

From: Runescapian aka Tad
I think what Myles is trying to say is that using reflection would benefit the community as a whole more than color could. That's mainly because, in almost every aspect except a select few, reflection is more efficient, more accurate, etc. than color. Now if you want to make a complicated script, and don't want to use reflection because it's too short/simple, why not make a huge script, such as an AIO script? That would be challenging enough to give you that good feeling of making something great at the end, and it would benefit the community much more than your flawless one location miner.

Another thing - is Color really that much more complex than reflection? I don't have much say in this, seeing as I've never created a working fully color script, but from my early learning days I felt like I was collecting data much longer than I was actually scripting. Now that makes me feel as if this 'complexity' is just those hours of making tons of (D)DTMs, getting radians for RRW, setting up TPAs, etc. Correct me if I'm missing some huge point…

Just throwing this out there - Which breaks more often, Color or Reflection?

Exactly.

Also, the update that happened could have been fixed so much faster if srl used reflection.

And as of right now. If Method were to leave for a month and runescape updated the day after he left, reflection would be broken for over a month unless someone went and got the hooks from a different bot.

afaik he is the only one who has a fully working updater here on SRL.

From: MylesMadness
Yeah, because there abused. Nexus and Scar don't get abused. So if we move to reflection we wouldn't be more abused then we already are.

Hmm, that's actually the point I was making…

Though I have nothing against reflection really…

From: HyperSecret
And as of right now. If Method were to leave for a month and runescape updated the day after he left, reflection would be broken for over a month unless someone went and got the hooks from a different bot.

afaik he is the only one who has a fully working updater here on SRL.

I am working on the ultimate updater as a side project, but atm I'm too busy to resume development…

From: Freddy1990
I am working on the ultimate updater as a side project, but atm I'm too busy to resume development…

"Ultimate updater"? What exactly does this consist of? :confused:

I really don't see why anyone has a need to complain. You can use just SCAR if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL and reflection if you want. You can use SCAR and your own include if you want (which could be a version of SRL with as many functions replaced with reflection as possible). You can use a mixture. You can contribute color code. You can contribute reflection code. You can contribute both. The SRL and Reflection SVNs are free to access, free to modify. If you don't like something, change it.

Scar will always be awesome, cause its not only bound to runescape :'D…

From: Boreas
I really don't see why anyone has a need to complain. You can use just SCAR if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL if you want. You can use SCAR and SRL and reflection if you want. You can use SCAR and your own include if you want (which could be a version of SRL with as many functions replaced with reflection as possible). You can use a mixture. You can contribute color code. You can contribute reflection code. You can contribute both. The SRL and Reflection SVNs are free to access, free to modify. If you don't like something, change it.

Its not just reflection only though. Like today there was a discussion about proggys and how people still are making there own instead of using srl's. Its everything that this is happening to.

It's in SCAR for 3.20- and it's in SRL for 3.20+.

From: Runescapian aka Tad
What were these 'fast bots'?



+1. Can't really think of anything that color could beat reflection at. Though from time to time when scripting I find that color does something better than reflection, but it's never a majorly significant part.

Simple Object Finding. ( Something like Flax )

And for thread: Everyone uses what uses :)

~Home

From: Home
Simple Object Finding. ( Something like Flax )

~Home

Even there I'd say reflection is better. I'm not sure about speed, but if mining is anything like flax, I'd say reflection is instant in figuring out whether something is present or not, as far as I can see. Not to mention with Reflection you can do some tile checks and end up getting the closest object, whereas with color it's possible, but not nearly as reliable. As for efficiency, it's definitely more likely for a dynamic color check to fail than a static ID check.

personally I think that as soon as an updater is posted publically, I will start using reflection more.

T~M

Well right now… were not even updated correctly. We barely have new scripts made, just look at the scripts section. The scripting activity has reached a new low. Im not even sure if SRL is updated to work with the new update? Its gotten to the point were im now using rsbot over scar despite how much I hate it. Its just much more faster and efficient. To me scar is dieng, and rsbot is taking over seeing as jagex cant find a way to kill rsbot completely.

Reflection is actually an awesome special gift, given to SRL. It gives us cheaters a whole new dimension in cheating. It gives us stuff color cant do. Of course we all like challenges… Were not saying to quit color in anyway. Reflection lets us get into the runescape client, and use it. Cmon it has been there ever since Jagex made runescape.

New comers aways choose rsbot over scar cause its easier to leach now days.

From: kingarabian
It gives us stuff color cant do.

When you play the game, do you play by looking at the screen? Yes? Then color can do it. It's not a problem of what color can and can't do, it's a problem of whether or not the scripters are creative, smart, and willing enough to attempt it.

From: bullzeye95
When you play the game, do you play by looking at the screen? Yes? Then color can do it. It's not a problem of what color can and can't do, it's a problem of whether or not the scripters are creative, smart, and willing enough to attempt it.

Sorry, but that is just not true.

From: mormonman
Sorry, but that is just not true.

If it's not true, then tell me how your brain interprets the game. Is it not through colors?

SRL is made of color , reflection was just a addition; Still i agree with myles. though still say no to Applying with reflection script :)

You know, if you're looking in teh chat box or something, a simple CountColor() is faster than the whole Interface shit reflection has going on..

From: bullzeye95
If it's not true, then tell me how your brain interprets the game. Is it not through colors?

There are incredible similarities of colors in certain areas, that no matter how smart you are, you will never be able to do things with those colors in those areas with just color.

From: bullzeye95
When you play the game, do you play by looking at the screen? Yes? Then color can do it. It's not a problem of what color can and can't do, it's a problem of whether or not the scripters are creative, smart, and willing enough to attempt it.

Oh cmon you know what I meant.

I dont use reflection because its boring. I find scripting using colour techniques more fun tbh, like a more variety of things to use with colour, and most of all i dont really know how to use reflection very well, as i got a good knowledge of colour things.

From: kingarabian
Well right now… were not even updated correctly. We barely have new scripts made, just look at the scripts section. The scripting activity has reached a new low. Im not even sure if SRL is updated to work with the new update? Its gotten to the point were im now using rsbot over scar despite how much I hate it. Its just much more faster and efficient. To me scar is dieng, and rsbot is taking over seeing as jagex cant find a way to kill rsbot completely.

Reflection is actually an awesome special gift, given to SRL. It gives us cheaters a whole new dimension in cheating. It gives us stuff color cant do. Of course we all like challenges… Were not saying to quit color in anyway. Reflection lets us get into the runescape client, and use it. Cmon it has been there ever since Jagex made runescape.

New comers aways choose rsbot over scar cause its easier to leach now days.

From what I've seen, new scripts have been coming at an increased rate now :confused: SRL is 100% updated, as far as I know. RSBot is not. From what I see, it seems RSBot is on the decline. And we don't want leechers here. We want people who are willing to learn or at least are willing to contribute positively to the community, not spam the forums with their first posts every time the bot goes down for a couple hours *cough* RSBot *cough*.

From: ~~Joker~~
SRL is made of color , reflection was just a addition; Still i agree with myles. though still say no to Applying with reflection script :)

And we go back to that question… Why? It doesn't make any sense to not even give a reflection scripter a chance.

From: BobboHobbo
I dont use reflection because its boring…i dont really know how to use reflection very well

How can you know it's boring if you haven't taken the time to learn it through and through?

The point what I'm trying here is getting srl to used reflection because we could be faster, more flawless, and overall better.

Boreas made a pretty good point regarding that. It's here in the SRL community and it is being developed by skilled scripters here. What do you want, everyone to drop colour scripting, because it's out of date? Is that what you are hoping to achieve or am I missing the point?

From: mixster
Boreas made a pretty good point regarding that. It's here in the SRL community and it is being developed by skilled scripters here. What do you want, everyone to drop colour scripting, because it's out of date? Is that what you are hoping to achieve or am I missing the point?

What im trying to do is get people to accept it instead of being ignorant and useing old slow methods

Then go convert SRL to reflection, host it on code.google.com, for free. I'm sure others will help you out, some of which might even be SRL devs. If it gets popular enough we might even make a sub forum of the reflection forum so you guys can discuss it. More and more people will accept it, and those that choose to be 'ignorant' will still have the option to use regular SRL. Maybe eventually more people will be using that include, and more people developing for it, that it will be become the new most popular include for SCAR. Do that, and show people how great it is. That will definitely get people to accept it, and stop using old slow methods.

Look at Ubuntu, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, EEEBuntu, and other branches.

From: MylesMadness
What im trying to do is get people to accept it instead of being ignorant and useing old slow methods

I'm sorry, but you're going to fail.
This place was built on colour, and shall live on colour.

From: noidea
I'm sorry, but you're going to fail.
This place was built on colour, and shall live on colour.

I've said it to kyle over msn, and I'll say it now:
"I'm sick of srl, the next java bot that comes out I'm moving to it. This place is too ignorant to be good anymore"

(8:58 AM) [email]mylesmadness@gmail.com[/email]: I'm sick of srl, the next java bot that comes out I'm moving to it. This place is to ignorant to be good

Mhm.

But Reflection is good, if the people choose not to use it, they do not need to use it. If they want to, so be it.

I dont have a problem with Srl/Scar. But I will say there is alot of room for advancement.

I don't get why some people compare runescape client colors and say that it's possible because human eye can detect it. You have no idea how powerful our brain is, it has thousands of years of evolution, there is no computer as powerful as our brain, the two shouldn't be compared.

EDIT: By the way, to all the people saying that color is the "original" method, just because people have been doing it for ages doesn't mean it's right. You want to go back to old religious methods because they're original?

Also, why are you confusing SCAR with SRL, aren't you people intelligent enough to tell the two apart? SCAR is the thing that compiles the script and runs it, SRL is simply a library that enhances your scripting experience by shortening the code.

There's this entire field, with real life scientists that get paid and everything! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision 'This is a duck and that is a tree' doesn't take use up anywhere near the entire power of our brain.

From: MylesMadness
What im trying to do is get people to accept it instead of being ignorant and useing old slow methods

I think something is slow when I can't auto right-away after an update but have to wait for one single person to update, instead of me being able to update myself, or not needing to update at all.

From: Markus
I think something is slow when I can't auto right-away after an update but have to wait for one single person to update, instead of me being able to update myself, or not needing to update at all.

Anyone can update on their own, if they take the time to learn how :rolleyes:

Either way, a couple hours lost per week is a small sacrifice to make for all the benefits reflection brings, in my opinion.

Myless, this place will never move on to that.. even if people showed intrest.
But I don't see the problem as atm, there is reflection? And you can use it?

So what if SRL included reflection.. it wouldn't change much when it comes to scripting?
I wouldn't have to include reflection?, that's a big deal.
It would still be the same as the old one, as SRL would keep the DTM functions, radialwalk
and so on…

So including it with SRL would'nt change a thing, afaik.

I'm pretty sure he means in addition to including the functions in the reflection include, that other functions that are currently in SRL be converted to reflection. Only using color when absolutely needed (meaning no hooks for that). To replace the old slow techniques with the new fast one. It is perfectly fine to do that as a separate project, but he ignored me when I suggested it.

From: Boreas
I'm pretty sure he means in addition to including the functions in the reflection include, that other functions that are currently in SRL be converted to reflection. Only using color when absolutely needed (meaning no hooks for that). To replace the old slow techniques with the new fast one. It is perfectly fine to do that as a separate project, but he ignored me when I suggested it.

Eh it sounds good alright, but when Runescape updates then Srl will be dead until the hooks are updated. Unless we have super fast leet updater (aka Method)

I think Myles wants reflection to be the 1st priority and then color as a failsafe. Or maybe he wants Scar to be extended with Java. (thats what I want!)

From: kingarabian
Eh it sounds good alright, but when Runescape updates then Srl will be dead until the hooks are updated. Unless we have super fast leet updater (aka Method)

Which is why I suggested a separate project. So R-SRL project would be dead. While I will be autoing with SRL, maybe on mechscape.

From: Boreas
Which is why I suggested a separate project. So R-SRL project would be dead. While I will be autoing with SRL, maybe on mechscape.

So your suggesting that I make a new project, and then saying it will fail? Also, in the time it will take to make a color version of srl for mechscape will be the same length as making a updater for reflection and doing the math for walking and such. Its not like mechscape won't have stuff we can hook…

I'll just leave this here…

From: mormonman
There are incredible similarities of colors in certain areas, that no matter how smart you are, you will never be able to do things with those colors in those areas with just color.

I agree 100% with bullzeye on this. If your brain can interpret it, then why can't it be coded for? It might be a HUGE piece of code for something so very LITTLE but it could be done. You might even have to make an include for it with C/C++/Java or something to get it done but it should be able to be done if someone is willing to attempt it…

From: mixster
Boreas made a pretty good point regarding that. It's here in the SRL community and it is being developed by skilled scripters here. What do you want, everyone to drop colour scripting, because it's out of date? Is that what you are hoping to achieve or am I missing the point?

+1, I said that earlier, I think I am missing the point…

From: MylesMadness
I've said it to kyle over msn, and I'll say it now:
"I'm sick of srl, the next java bot that comes out I'm moving to it. This place is too ignorant to be good anymore"

Like Boreas has said, go and make the include for it. Reflection already has their own include pretty much under control and is constantly growing. Just help with that and use it. We don't have to reconfigure/reconstruct SRL to only reflection because you are being a whiner about something so insignificant…

Alright, I was seeing if anyone would care enough to tell me to not leave, but since you don't I'll get out of your guys way when next time a java bot comes out thats not currently leeched like crazy..

From: mylesmadness
alright, i was seeing if anyone would care enough to tell me to not leave, but since you don't i'll get out of your guys way when next time a java bot comes out thats not currently leeched like crazy..

don't leave!!! Your my script competition partner!!!

*itwasinallcaps*

From: MylesMadness
So your suggesting that I make a new project, and then saying it will fail? Also, in the time it will take to make a color version of srl for mechscape will be the same length as making a updater for reflection and doing the math for walking and such. Its not like mechscape won't have stuff we can hook…

It would fail during the time between rs updates and hook updates (which the current way does now). I was replying to kingarabians post

will be dead until the hooks are updated

The project will be as successful as you and other contributors make it. Instead of leaving, put your money where your mouth is and start the new branch. And by money I mean time and effort (which is what you would be asking SRL devs to spend by changing the official branch) because it's free. Once it gets started I will even contribute some functions. Look I'll even give you the link http://code.google.com/hosting/createProject

Possibly. We will see when mechscape comes out.

From: Boreas
It would fail during the time between rs updates and hook updates (which the current way does now). I was replying to kingarabians post The project will be as successful as you and other contributors make it. Instead of leaving, put your money where your mouth is and start the new branch. And by money I mean time and effort (which is what you would be asking SRL devs to spend by changing the official branch) because it's free. Once it gets started I will even contribute some functions. Look I'll even give you the link http://code.google.com/hosting/createProject

Possibly. We will see when mechscape comes out.

But if you dont have a majority support it will fail. Thats how things are here on Srl.

But the whole reflection project failed already because no one accepted it, why put effort into a whole new huge project when its most like not going to be liked.

There were multiple things I was trying to do with this thread.
1.) See if it would end up working
2.) If I did it would it be even used
3.) Anger no thought thread(I would have deleted this if someone didn't post already).

So heres, the deal. I'm not going on srl until the comp so I can cool down. So much shit is messed up in my life right now so fast. I just need to calm down.

I laugh at pathetic disputes between this. The simple solution is to combine them which no one cares, is capable of doing, or is just lazy.

Tell me that's not the truth.

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32916
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45861
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23311

From: IceFire908
I laugh at pathetic disputes between this. The simple solution is to combine them which no one cares, is capable of doing, or is just lazy.

Tell me that's not the truth.

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32916
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45861
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23311

That's not the truth. Why does it matter to you what other people prefer? :/

From: 99_ aka ian.
That's not the truth. Why does it matter to you what other people prefer? :/

Unfortunately you're wrong, and I care because I see people arguing over the dumbest thing ever when a solution is right in front of them.

You argue about it too.

From: 99_ aka ian.
You argue about it too.

I offer a viable solution which you play the "why the do you care" card.

I argue in a different direction, my own direction and that is simple. Both ways.

I guess a close narrowed minded could say I'm arguing too, but lets face it that's never got or will get anything or anyone anywhere.

arguments of opinion is stupid right?

From: legendaryhero90
arguments of opinion is stupid right?

Not if it involves unlocking the potential of something great. Deny it all you want but in this case (anti-reflection, pro-reflection) it's people's laziness and/or stubbornness that is limiting SCAR to imperfect color scripts and flat obtuse reflection scripts.

I bet if one person made a hybrid script everyone would might open their damn eyes to the potential.

You're arguing right now, when the solution is right there.


Also, arguing does and always will get people places.

Me: "I'm hungry."
You: "So eat some steak."
Me: "I'm not a fan of steak."
You: "But it's good, and, in appropriate servings, gives you vitamins/nutrients/etc. that you need to be healthy."
Me: "Well, alright. My doctor did tell me I should eat more meat. Thanks. Now let's have sex."

From: 99_ aka ian.
You're arguing right now, when the solution is right there.

\spam

I'm already developing the largest hybrid script ever contemplated. So I don't know what you're getting at other than admitting your either contradicting yourself, are an idiot, or just plain annoying.

This incompetence is exactly why I laugh at these threads.

If you got a question PM/ MSN, me or something I'm out of this thread, this is exactly why they are pointless.

Deuces

I'm just saying..


You argue about people not using ref/color together, and you argue about arguing about it. So again,

there are lots of paths to choose from.

cut your own or follow the trails.

its ultimately the individual's decision to use whatever they want right?

so why not just leave it at that.

along with whatever middle ground that can also be forged

From: 99_ aka ian.
I'm just saying..


You argue about people not using ref/color together, and you argue about arguing about it. So again,

\spam

No comment.

From: IceFire908
\spam

No comment.

You commented.


Sorry, I just think it's getting ridiculous how many threads/comments you make about ref + color being the only way that you accept SRL. It's not up to you.

kthxbai.

i guess im being ignored…

AGAIN…. -.-

From: 99_ aka ian.
You commented.


Sorry, I just think it's getting ridiculous how many threads/comments you make about ref + color being the only way that you accept SRL. It's not up to you.

kthxbai.

+ 1

@Icefire, if the threads being made are bugging you so much, just ignore them, simple as that. And, like said above, it's the user's choice is it not?

Legendary, I didn't ignore you. I suspected that Ice is just mad at me and waiting for me to say something so he can contradict it, so I just repeated what you said for you. :D <3

From: coh3n
+ 1

@icefire, if the threads being made are bugging you so much, just ignore them, simple as that. And, like said above, it's the user's choice is it not?

ha~!

Thank you! :d

Combining them is pointless. Like many have said, why backup pinpoint perfect reflection with unreliable old colour? Reflection either does or does not work and when it does not work, it does not do so at all. Remaking an entire script for the little time it does not work does not yield enough of an improvement to be worth it, unless you only used reflection for a small bit of the script, but then what's the point of using this amazing reflection if you only use it a little?

IceFire, you have raised it a lot and every time the same conclusion is reached. Just because it's not the one you want, it doesn't mean that you are being ignored through ignorance, but simply that your own ignorance is greater. Unless you have something to change peoples mind, do not expect it to be changed. So you're developing an amazing hybrid script? Great, when it's ready then maybe it will open peoples minds. However, I think it will only open some peoples eyes to reflection - that's usually how it works. Most people are in camp A or camp B with a few in between.

From: mixster
Combining them is pointless. Like many have said, why backup pinpoint perfect reflection with unreliable old colour? Reflection either does or does not work and when it does not work, it does not do so at all. Remaking an entire script for the little time it does not work does not yield enough of an improvement to be worth it, unless you only used reflection for a small bit of the script, but then what's the point of using this amazing reflection if you only use it a little?

IceFire, you have raised it a lot and every time the same conclusion is reached. Just because it's not the one you want, it doesn't mean that you are being ignored through ignorance, but simply that your own ignorance is greater. Unless you have something to change peoples mind, do not expect it to be changed. So you're developing an amazing hybrid script? Great, when it's ready then maybe it will open peoples minds. However, I think it will only open some peoples eyes to reflection - that's usually how it works. Most people are in camp A or camp B with a few in between.

From: Coh3n
+ 1

@Icefire, if the threads being made are bugging you so much, just ignore them, simple as that. And, like said above, it's the user's choice is it not?

From: 99_ aka ian.
You commented.


Sorry, I just think it's getting ridiculous how many threads/comments you make about ref + color being the only way that you accept SRL. It's not up to you.

kthxbai.

I've made two threads, just enough for you to even use the 's' at the end of that word. Maybe in your world two is a ridiculous number, I guess that's your opinion though however stupid it is.

At least mixster posted something useful, you other two posted spam and received reputation for it.

Go ahead make another post _99 I'm sure you'll get another reputation point and hell maybe even a useful poster cup reward if you keep it up.

Mixster, I appreciate your input.
Coh3n, _99, find something better to do?

It's 99_. And I didn't get any reputation for any of these posts. Also, I said threads/comments, as in threads and comments. And you said that Wizzup? doesn't allow the growth of SRL, which I think is extremely ignorant (not to disagree with people in power, I think that's always good, if it's appropriate) and arrogant to do.

Don't get me wrong, I think you're a good, smart, and thoughtful person, I just think that (put mixster's comment here) is the correct way to think about the threads subject.

From: 99_ aka ian.
And you said that Wizzup? doesn't allow the growth of SRL, which I think is extremely ignorant (not to disagree with people in power, I think that's always good, if it's appropriate) and arrogant to do.

I never said that, and I would rather be hated than be a suck up because some one is my superior even in its minor forms, but that's just my opinion because it does seem to get me into trouble a lot especially with all the weed fans around here that don't take to well to criticism but that's a completely different topic entirely (do not discuss here please).

I'm not saying I resent anyone of you, it's just fun to play antagonist after all, now that solar is gone. :p

From: IceFire908
I never said that, and I would rather be hated than be a suck up because some one is my superior even in its minor forms, but that's just my opinion because it does seem to get me into trouble a lot especially with all the weed fans around here that don't take to well to criticism but that's a completely different topic entirely (do not discuss here please).

I'm not saying I resent anyone of you, it's just fun to play antagonist after all, now that solar is gone. :p

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showpost.php?p=593443&postcount=45

That's what I was talking about.

(I relearned SCAR from your guides by the way, so thank you! :))