SRL Archive - Dear Staff..

Due to increased dissatisfaction to the staff, and as I had some complaints in the past when I was still a little SRL Member but couldn't tell them anywhere, this thread.
Feel free to rant about *anything* staff related, although there are a few rules

• This is ranting against the staff, not other people.
• Feel free to relieve your feelings here. Tell us what you think about us! Telling the truth (usually) doesn't harm.
• You won't get infracted here, you won't get any other trouble here, as that would be pretty hypocrite. Just don't use that to post porn/spam/flame members, as against that, action WILL be taken.
• Only forum-related issues here, no IRC
• Feel you can't post your rants in public? PM them to me and I'll get back to you. Your privacy will be respected, so don't hesitate to contact me if it's something important.
• Feel free to say names. The specific staff can only know they are doing something wrong if they are told of it
• To mods/admins: please don't mess around with the posts here :rolleyes:

Of course we can't promise that we can help you, but if we actually know there's a problem, it might help solving it.

I can see this filling up pretty fast, to be honest. Like with Wizzup's one on the srl-forums.com domain.

Hm, still not that full ^.^

I feel the staff aren't supportive enough to new members. I always feel that they look down on us as if were unless.

Like.. we have to prove ourselves worthy to be liked by them ;)

From: Floor66
Like.. we have to prove ourselves worthy to be liked by them ;)

+1

but in their defence they cant make us all feel as if we are uber 1337

~shut

I agree tbh, but a little liking would be nice though :p

NOT THAT ALL STAFF ARE THIS WAY! NOT SAYING ANY NAMES!

Tbh, Staff doing a good job. Nothing really needed except some <3 lol jp.

From: Floor66
I agree tbh, but a little liking would be nice though :p

NOT THAT ALL STAFF ARE THIS WAY! NOT SAYING ANY NAMES!

+1.

nice idea.

• Feel free to say names. The specific staff can only know they are doing something wrong if they are told of it

added that.

Please, bring in the complaints. I think that markus intends to answer and explain and consider changing things, and if that is his plan i'll be more than happy to help.

~RM

I dont this ranting out on the staff will ease our problems, I think you will go nuclear on our asses.

there are some who seem to be not doing their job.

There are way to many new members for each member of the staff to 'notice' you more than just being a new SRL Member, I am sorry to say but that is what it is like. The admins are kinda like CEOs of companies they don't meet every individual and have dinner with them. It is just how it is, bigger fish to fry sort of thing. Go to the IRC channel and you can talk to them there, they are willing to talk to anyone anytime there but the forums are too big and there is too much for them to fully acknowledge every single SRL Member fully and spend time interacting with them.

My complaint would be…hmm idk, I kinda like it here.

Niixu: who are those people…they would like to know.

From: ~~Joker~~
Tbh, Staff doing a good job. Nothing really needed except some <3 lol jp.

+1.

From: HyperSecret
There are way to many new members for each member of the staff to 'notice' you more than just being a new SRL Member, I am sorry to say but that is what it is like. The admins are kinda like CEOs of companies they don't meet every individual and have dinner with them. It is just how it is, bigger fish to fry sort of thing. Go to the IRC channel and you can talk to them there, they are willing to talk to anyone anytime there but the forums are too big and there is too much for them to fully acknowledge every single SRL Member fully and spend time interacting with them.

My complaint would be…hmm idk, I kinda like it here.

Niixu: who are those people…they would like to know.

No names :D

If you don't wan't to say names, then theres no reason to post
In my opinion the staff if doing a gj :)

The staff won't give me Admin powers, I don't like this.
jkz, the members of staff have always been great.

From: impiwimpi
if you don't wan't to say names, then theres no reason to post
in my opinion the staff if doing a gj :)

++100000

From: footballjds
++100000

what? That's over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's just my opinion…

Hmm… let me think…
No, I don't think there is anything to complain about… They are doing a great job… :D

From: Niixu
I dont this ranting out on the staff will ease our problems, I think you will go nuclear on our asses.

there are some who seem to be not doing their job.

No need to worry, your ass is safe ;)

~RM

IMO, the staff are great ;)

I think staff are not active enough. It seems like none of them really care about what happens as long as no one breaks the rules. They have no feelings for us little noobies.
/end of crying

From: Rasta Magician
No need to worry, your ass is safe ;)

~RM

Yours isnt ;) <3

I like the staff on the forums, no doubt about it. They are for the most part fair and kind people. The IRC is a different story, but let's not get into that drama.

tl;dr: keep it up.

Staffs makes us newbies feel more newbie by being a staff.

Staff dont seem to come out with too many scripts :) like wizzy has like 2 working scripts and RM is probly the most active script making Staff. i <3 him

From: yourock12345
Staff dont seem to come out with too many scripts :) like wizzy has like 2 working scripts and RM is probly the most active script making Staff. i <3 him

The Essence Miner, The Edgeville Fisher and The Multiminer aren't small scripts. Especially the MultiMiner is a big one… :p

From: Harry
The IRC is a different story, but let's not get into that drama.

*Waits for IRC ROUND 3!*

But I think staff are doing a great job.

I love the staff, man

From: The Claw
I love the staff, man

DAH!
You are THE STAFF! lol
:)

RASTA MAGICIAN!! YOU'RE USING YOUR AWESOMENESS TO GET A BETTER AVVY THEN ME!! no fair… :(

/me pouts…

JK

Seriously… the staff is fine.

RM's a jerk
Markus can go jump off a bridge
Wizzup is a douche

Wait… are devs considered staff here?

What about me Narcle :(

They are all right. Except that 'The Claw' fellow. Rather odd if I may say so.

From: Narcle
RM's a jerk
Markus can go jump off a bridge
Wizzup is a douche

Wait… are devs considered staff here?

Gtfo xD

From: Narcle
RM's a jerk
Markus can go jump off a bridge
Wizzup is a douche

Wait… are devs considered staff here?

sap

markus is gay

From: Laur€ns
markus is gay

Check your PM box.

staff is great just bebe's too advertising, she needs to stop that.

From: Wizzup?
sap

:f:

From: Wizzup?
The Essence Miner, The Edgeville Fisher and The Multiminer aren't small scripts. Especially the MultiMiner is a big one… :p

wizzup? he said WORKING scripts :rolleyes:

We are working behind the scenes ;)

Hmm, just a thought on the forums in general… thought I had posts and junior membs status when I was referred back here but realized there was a server change and got all posts removed… RAGE

From: Markus
Check your PM box.

lolinfracted

From: rpg711
Hmm, just a thought on the forums in general… thought I had posts and junior membs status when I was referred back here but realized there was a server change and got all posts removed… RAGE

Posts were moved… just log into your old account.

From: Harry
lolinfracted

Posts were moved… just log into your old account.

This was my old account :D

I know this isn't a forums problem, but the IRC needs to be stricter on its rules.

For the forum, it's actually not bad. Spam control is quite better, and general kindness is well. However, a lot of mods, etc, suck up to the admins (wizzup) to get them on their side. I remember someone saying they agreed with Wizzup?'s opinion even though he didn't give an opinion :P

From: TViYH
I know this isn't a forums problem, but the IRC needs to be stricter on its rules.

For the forum, it's actually not bad. Spam control is quite better, and general kindness is well. However, a lot of mods, etc, suck up to the admins (wizzup) to get them on their side. I remember someone saying they agreed with Wizzup?'s opinion even though he didn't give an opinion :P

Its been said.. but 'WTF?!?!' You was ranting about.. WAIT. Not the place.

/runs.

From: Torrent of Flame
Its been said.. but 'WTF?!?!' You was ranting about.. WAIT. Not the place.

/hastheruns.

What? ^^

I really do like the admins and devs. Nielsie I know you guys are working behind the scenes, but we need good scripts like Wizzup?'s(plz out-of-the-box), Nava2's, Narcle's, and Zephyrs, to come from you all(lol jokes). I have thought about what I posted earlier and decided that you guys are active(comparatively) :D Thanks for the random solvers!

From: footballjds
wizzup? he said WORKING scripts :rolleyes:

Amen football :) yeah wizzy only the essence miner works actually well

I demand more sexual favours!

From: Tniffoc
How could we forget this??

/dev/null/

jk

This thread was for giving critic to the staff in order to help them improve, until you came here.

Staff dont seem to come out with too many scripts like wizzy has like 2 working scripts and RM is probly the most active script making Staff. i <3 him

Most of the people here would be clueless without WizzyPlugin. Including me.

Hobster = Badboy

Markus = More sexuall favours!

The Claw = Hai!

RMagican = Pot is not the answer!!

Wizzup = Judge the scripts ;D

Mastaraymond = Hai!

That covers all staff?

^ Expect from that, you're doing a good job :)

Question, could you guys please stop the spam a bit? This thread is allowed to die, and we already know we're doing a wonderful job ty <3

From: n3ss3s
Most of the people here would be clueless without WizzyPlugin. Including me.

And me.

A lot of the staff usually have other things going on like college etc. (like myself)

But unlike me, a quite a few of us do TONS of SRL improvement instead of scripts like Zeph, Nava2 & Lordsaturn while once in awhile they release scripts.

From: n3ss3s
Most of the people here would be clueless without WizzyPlugin. Including me.

But WizzyPlugin is updated by the SRL Developers (which includes you :p), very little in the plugin is actually Wizzup's.

N1ke, I think you forgot a few.:rolleyes:

From: nielsie95
But WizzyPlugin is updated by the SRL Developers (which includes you :p), very little in the plugin is actually Wizzup's.

N1ke, I think you forgot a few.:rolleyes:

I thought it was so that Killerdou made a couple, you made some (If I remember right?), Boreas had something to do with it and rest was Wizzup… Without forgetting Ray ofc.

From: nielsie95
But WizzyPlugin is updated by the SRL Developers (which includes you :p), very little in the plugin is actually Wizzup's.

/me slaps Nielsie. I think quite some functions in there are by me, and the others are by you and Raymond. ;)

Wizzup just need to finish grading the scripts. Thats about it

I demand moar members bend over.

I want my list of STIs to increase like a damn exponential curve.

Anywho, are devs considered staff or not? No one really answered. If so, I'd love to know what I could do to improve. Else, bitches I love all of you but Zeph he gets on my nerves. Always trying to e-blow me.

The staff overall does a great job maintaining the forums. To be honest though, I think that there are a few too many people on the staff who do little to no moderating at all. I probably should not name names, because that would make it personal. Like if I said Markus you suck (not that you do), you would probably like me less. Not that the staff does a bad job obviously.

That's the problem with naming names in rants though; it makes it personal.

From: Nava2
I demand moar members bend over.

I want my list of STIs to increase like a damn exponential curve.

Anywho, are devs considered staff or not? No one really answered. If so, I'd love to know what I could do to improve. Else, bitches I love all of you but Zeph he gets on my nerves. Always trying to e-blow me.

No developers aren't staff… wth you thinking?… :duh: Navapoo fails again..

i wants mod!
no really, i do.

They should be considered staff if they can give infractions :D.

From: Da 0wner
They should be considered staff if they can give infractions :D.

I'm kidding. Dev > Mod. RMB?

Oh I remember someone saying that (maybe you) :D. Because mod avatars <> 180px by 180px :p.

From: ZephyrsFury
No developers aren't staff… wth you thinking?… :duh: Navapoo fails again..

So, are we staff or not.. Now I'm just confused.

Yes, Navapoo is failing at the moment.

From: Nava2
So, are we staff or not.. Now I'm just confused.

Yes, Navapoo is failing at the moment.

You aren't staff. Only Moderators and Administrators.

From: Da 0wner
They should be considered staff if they can give infractions :D.

A member gave me a warning today!
Does that mean I can give out warnings to people?

T~M

Get the SRL Comps marked.

From: The Man
A member gave me a warning today!
Does that mean I can give out warnings to people?

T~M

SSRL Members ;)
Seniour SRL Members.

From: noidea
SSRL Members ;)
Seniour SRL Members.

I believe nobody is supposed to discuss SSRL?

There seems to be a lot of posts going completely off topic in this thread…

From: The Man
A member gave me a warning today!
Does that mean I can give out warnings to people?

T~M

Some members are given infraction rights, as experimental mods. I used to have that before I actually became moderator. Zeph used to have that too.

What the others were thinking is incorrect, as it is between members and developers as is explained in starblaster's sticky. Dev <> Mod.

~RM

Guys stay on topic and keep ranting please. :)

Who deleted my post, seriously, that's what I hate about staff =.=

From: Dr D. Dervish
Who deleted my post, seriously, that's what I hate about staff =.=

Reason: irc, only forum here …

Pardon me then.

I dislike how some of the staff are a bit hipocritical. But i'd rather not have that statement overshadow the fact that im a bit sad that the signature size limit is gone. Tis making me quite angered to have to scroll so much since my middle finger is getting tired (if you knnow what i mean)!

From: Dan Cardin
I dislike how some of the staff are a bit hipocritical. But i'd rather not have that statement overshadow the fact that im a bit sad that the signature size limit is gone. Tis making me quite angered to have to scroll so much since my middle finger is getting tired (if you knnow what i mean)!

That could mean two things hehe :D. But I agree with the signature size limit thing…I hate when people have a huge image in their signature.

lol, Yourock has THE biggest siggy ever!!!!
Sorry to be offtopic
I think all the staff are doing a great job, I mean yes there are a few lazymods *cough*Raymond*cough* :p <3
But no everyone is doing a great job, cheers guys


T~M

From: The Man

I think all the staff are doing a great job, I mean yes there are a few lazymods *cough*Raymond*cough* :p <3

If you count the time he spends on this forum, you see that he's not that lazy ;P


Marking the scripts is the only negative.

LOL no I was only joking cause his tag is Lazymod :p

T~M

Then do not post…I agree with some people, you do spam sometimes.

Who removed my post? God that's what i hate about staff here. You could tell me why you removed it?

From: NiCbaZ
Who removed my post? God that's what i hate about staff here. You could tell me why you removed it?

You and a number of others were speculating about SSRL and their privileges which people shouldn't even know about anyway.

But if were not in SSRL why shouldn't we be able to talk about it. I see no rules saying that were not.

NiCbaZ, life isn't fair :/ Although I'm pretty sure someone will tell you why. And Da 0wner, everybody spams. We don't have to always be on topic. And actually, you spammed too, as your post had nothing to do about the actual topic.

And the only other thing I could say is that you need mod's to have more privileges, or have another admin so that every time zone has a mod :] (Zeph ;D <3 haha)

From: NiCbaZ
But if were not in SSRL why shouldn't we be able to talk about it. I see no rules saying that were not.

But you guys were discussing things that weren't true and completely off-topic.

Zeph, they are true. But we should not know that they are true XD.

Edit: Also, we should know about SSRL (SRL members at least) there is a thread about it in SRL News…

From: Da 0wner
Zeph, they are true. But we should not know that they are true XD.

Edit: Also, we should know about SSRL (SRL members at least) there is a thread about it in SRL News…

As Rasta Magician explained before, it is not necessarily SSRL that give out infractions.

EDIT: And how would you know that they are true. :confused:. Anyway BACK ON TOPIC GUYS!

If anyone brings up SSRL again in this thread you will be permanently barred from it and will never be considered for it. I really don't find it to be extremely difficult to not talk about something we ask you not to talk about… Maturity and restraint… hmmm good SSRL qualities, too bad I don't see any here.

NO MORE


Back on topic w/o SSRL

From: Hobbit
If anyone brings up SSRL again in this thread you will be permanently barred from it and will never be considered for it. I really don't find it to be extremely difficult to not talk about something we ask you not to talk about… Maturity and restraint… hmmm good SSRL qualities, too bad I don't see any here.

NO MORE


Back on topic w/o SSRL

[sarcasm]Your word hurt me they truly do :/ [/sarcasm]

Mask the comps!

From: The Man
lol, Yourock has THE biggest siggy ever!!!!
Sorry to be offtopic
I think all the staff are doing a great job, I mean yes there are a few lazymods *cough*Raymond*cough* :p <3
But no everyone is doing a great job, cheers guys


T~M

Your sig is extremely big, too.

DanCardin: I haven't been able to find out how Dankness limited the signatures, yet. I think it was just some HTML he injected in vB code.

From: Wizzup?
Your sig is extremely big, too.

DanCardin: I haven't been able to find out how Dankness limited the signatures, yet. I think it was just some HTML he injected in vB code.

I find it better without any limits.

However you shouldn't be allowed to have a TOO BIG signature.

From: Dr D. Dervish
I find it better without any limits.

However you shouldn't be allowed to have a TOO BIG signature.

Isn't that a limit?

From: ZephyrsFury
Isn't that a limit?

!define TOOO BIIIG.

From: Wizzup?
DanCardin: I haven't been able to find out how Dankness limited the signatures, yet. I think it was just some HTML he injected in vB code.

No it's in admincp
Do you want me to fix it :p

From: ZephyrsFury
Isn't that a limit?

Ok fine, no FIXED limit, just an approximate one which the forums users establish ?

From: Hobbit
No it's in admincp
Do you want me to fix it :p

Yes, but don't make it too small.

Whats up with all the nit-picking, seriously.

Wow! He deleted a FEW posts. Big impact. Who gives a flying fuck? They are admins, they can do as THEY want. It's the way it works, 'mafraid.

From: Wizzup?
Yes, but don't make it too small.

What was it at old forums

I'll set it to that

No. The scrolling siggies were annoying, and the limits were even more annoying. I like then just how they are now. Nobody seems to be abusing it to much.

Why do you care, your's is regular sized. People's are definately too long. Anything more than 150 pixels is bigging it.

From: Dan Cardin
Why do you care, your's is regular sized. People's are definately too long. Anything more than 150 pixels is bigging it.

Fuck that !


Please make it 500 Px.

From: Dr D. Dervish
Fuck that !


Please make it 500 Px.

How many times do we have to tell you to NOT use offensive language…

From: Wizzup?
How many times do we have to tell you to NOT use offensive language…

Especially me or SRL in general ?

Sorry.

Everyone, you are an SRL Member, you should be settting an example for all the newer, sometimes younger, members. Please do not use that kinda of language here, you do not know the age of every single person who will view your post or what background they come from. It could deeply offend someone, there are plenty of alternative words, use them.

Warning for calling someone a noob jokingly…wtf?

It would have been better for you to not post at all in that case…

Still, that shouldn't require a warning for insulting another member. Maybe spam though.

(Directed at SRL Members mainly)

It should because you guys are all being ridiculous.

Everyone needs to grow up and think before they speak. I will say this again, you are SRL Memeber, you should represent this community. How welcoming do you think we would seem if you just got here and the first few posts your read consist of a bunch of arbitrary swearing and the antagonizing of people for a simple question? Use your brain! People should feel free to ask questions of things they do not know! They shouldn't hold the question back because of a fear that they will be patronized and made fun of for it. This is not what the SRL Forums are about! I'll be honest here, I don't care who you are, I don't care if you are my favorite person in the world or my least favorite, attitudes like that are not welcome here and if that is the attitude you wish to present yourself with I would invite you to leave for awhile until you can grow up then come back


Cheers,
Hobbit

Hobbit, I hate to break it to you, but 12 year olds even swear. Look at me. If your so young that a swear that was over the internet is offensive to you, you probably shouldn't be here.

From: MylesMadness
Hobbit, I hate to break it to you, but 12 year olds even swear. Look at me. If your so young that a swear that was over the internet is offensive to you, you probably shouldn't be here.

Did I say anything whatsoever about age in the above post

I did not even make fun of him or anything. I answered it before, he said he didn't know, and I just was playing with him and said 'How did you not know about alt-tab.'…

From: Hobbit
(Directed at SRL Members mainly)

It should because you guys are all being ridiculous.

Everyone needs to grow up and think before they speak. I will say this again, you are SRL Memeber, you should represent this community. How welcoming do you think we would seem if you just got here and the first few posts your read consist of a bunch of arbitrary swearing and the antagonizing of people for a simple question? Use your brain! People should feel free to ask questions of things they do not know! They shouldn't hold the question back because of a fear that they will be patronized and made fun of for it. This is not what the SRL Forums are about! I'll be honest here, I don't care who you are, I don't care if you are my favorite person in the world or my least favorite, attitudes like that are not welcome here and if that is the attitude you wish to present yourself with I would invite you to leave for awhile until you can grow up then come back


Cheers,
Hobbit

cmon now, check the title, this isnt rant against the srl members…by all accounts we should be ranting at you for ranting at us while were are supposed to be ranting about you. Not impressed to say the least…

/me goes and bullies some newcomers

btw that was sarcastic (if you didnt know) and dont get mad at me hobbit I wuv you

From: MylesMadness
Hobbit, I hate to break it to you, but 12 year olds even swear. Look at me. If your so young that a swear that was over the internet is offensive to you, you probably shouldn't be here.

Twelve year olds steal things too. In real life there are rules (laws) for doing things, just as there are on these forums. It is against the law to steal, so even though you can, you will get punished for doing so. It is against the rules on this forum to swear/insult others, so even though you can do it, you will get punished for doing so. It does not matter how ridiculous you think a rule is (even though talking like a grown up without cursing does not seem that ridiculous to me), you will have to follow it. Simple as that.

Why has this turned into a rant against the rules thread instead of rant against the staff?

I am ranting about lordsaturn..he may not be considered staff, but since he can issue warnings and/or infractions, he is considered staff by me.

From: Da 0wner
I am ranting about lordsaturn..he may not be considered staff, but since he can issue warnings and/or infractions, he is considered staff by me.

suck it up and stop being a bitch about it, honestly who the fuck cares? does an infraction change your life, do anything against you? no, so stop whining about it.

From: Blumblebee
suck it up and stop being a bitch about it, honestly who the fuck cares? does an infraction change your life, do anything against you? no, so stop whining about it.

Although I agree with what you said Blumblebee, maybe it was possible that you could have said that in a way that did not go 100% against the point Hobbit was just trying to make…? :(

From: JAD
Although I agree with what you said Blumblebee, maybe it was possible that you could have said that in a way that did not go 100% against the point Hobbit was just trying to make…? :p

meh i feel if you wanna be a bitch you can get treated like one? and yeah prolly not the best way to say it, but i just tell it like it is :)

From: Blumblebee
meh i feel if you wanna be a bitch you can get treated like one? and yeah prolly not the best way to say it, but i just tell it like it is :)

I got a song by E-40 called Tell It Like It Is XD.

I don't care if I get an infraction/warning but the point of this thread is to rant about them…

From: Da 0wner
Warning for calling someone a noob jokingly…wtf?

If lordsaturn thinks that post was insulting then he's entitled to infract you. Insulting someone isn't just about swearing at them. Its about putting them down to make you feel better. What you posted had no point apart from making that member feel bad…

From: ZephyrsFury
If lordsaturn thinks that post was insulting then he's entitled to infract you. Insulting someone isn't just about swearing at them. Its about putting them down to make you feel better. What you posted had no point apart from making that member feel bad…

Really? Go ask the member that I said that to if I put him down in any way. I 100% believe that he will say that I did not and he would agree that I was just playing around. Seriously Zeph, do it.

From: Da 0wner
Really? Go ask the member that I said that to if I put him down in any way. I 100% believe that he will say that I did not and he would agree that I was just playing around. Seriously Zeph, do it.

Sorry we don't have time to go ask every member if they were insulted by a post… but why don't you explain to me the reason behind that post if it wasn't to humiliate them?

Because that is how I play around….noob is not insulting it simply means new.

From: Da 0wner
Because that is how I play around….noob is not insulting it simply means new.

We'll obviously lordsaturn (and I) deem it insulting enough for a warning. Its not a very nice thing to say to a "new" member anyway.

From: Da 0wner
Because that is how I play around….noob is not insulting it simply means new.

From: Urban Dictionary
II. Defining 'Noob'
Contrary to the belief of many, a noob/n00b and a newbie/newb are not the same thing. Newbs are those who are new to some task* and are very beginner at it, possibly a little overconfident about it, but they are willing to learn and fix their errors to move out of that stage. n00bs, on the other hand, know little and have no will to learn any more. They expect people to do the work for them and then expect to get praised about it, and make up a unique species of their own. It is the latter we will study in this guide so that the reader is prepared to encounter them in the wild if needed.

Noobs are often referred to as n00bs as a sign of disrespect toward them, and it's often hella funny, but I will refer to them as noobs during this reading.

* Usually the topic at hand on an internet forum.

See Above

Do you believe I meant it that way Chris? Newb and noob are the same thing to me.

From: Blumblebee
suck it up and stop being a bitch about it, honestly who the fuck cares? does an infraction change your life, do anything against you? no, so stop whining about it.

Wow nice way of 'representing' the community Blumblebee, not that I never swear but still…

Da 0wner : I also find that to be harsh.

I'll make a list of quotes which should be warned too if Da 0wner got warned for that :

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=579947&highlight=fuck#post579947

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=579007&highlight=fuck#post579007

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=578610&highlight=fuck#post578610

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45922&highlight=fuck

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45905&highlight=fuck

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45792&highlight=fuck

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=576479&highlight=fuck#post576479

Thats for 'fuck' word which waaay worse than "noob".

From: Dr D. Dervish
Da 0wner : I also find that to be harsh.

I'll make a list of quotes which should be warned too if Da 0wner got warned for that :

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=579947&highlight=fuck#post579947

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=579007&highlight=fuck#post579007

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=578610&highlight=fuck#post578610

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45922&highlight=fuck

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45905&highlight=fuck

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45792&highlight=fuck

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=576479&highlight=fuck#post576479

Thats for 'fuck' word which waaay worse than "noob".

He was warned (which means he doesn't get any infraction points) for insulting other members. None of the posts you linked have anyone directly insulting anyone else.

Why has this turned into a rant against the rules thread instead of rant against the staff?

the staff enforce the rules.

From: Hobbit

II. Defining 'Noob'
Contrary to the belief of many, a noob/n00b and a newbie/newb are not the same thing. Newbs are those who are new to some task* and are very beginner at it, possibly a little overconfident about it, but they are willing to learn and fix their errors to move out of that stage. n00bs, on the other hand, know little and have no will to learn any more. They expect people to do the work for them and then expect to get praised about it, and make up a unique species of their own. It is the latter we will study in this guide so that the reader is prepared to encounter them in the wild if needed.

Noobs are often referred to as n00bs as a sign of disrespect toward them, and it's often hella funny, but I will refer to them as noobs during this reading.

* Usually the topic at hand on an internet forum.

See Above

lol, i dont think urban dictionary should be a valid place for a definition, i might as well just post my own opinion of noob and use that. Noob - a piece of pizza.

From: ZephyrsFury
He was warned (which means he doesn't get any infraction points) for insulting other members. None of the posts you linked have anyone directly insulting anyone else.

AFAIK, what he said was not an insult, but more a joke. All of these are also so called "jokes" so you might want to warn all these people who have "fuck" or "bitch" or anything else in their posts ? Noob aswell ? Thats right, warn half of srl, even the staff.

I really don't have anything to compain, and this is not suppsed be a Spam, i just wan't Gz how well you do your job here :)

Thanks all!

~Home

i think the the "noob" post wasn't worth infracting honestly not even jagex mute/ban/bm anyone for saying noob if someones reports you for saying "noob" on runescape it doesn't get u infracted, if "noob" is considered offensive well thats extremely wrong, if someone called you a noob on runescape u wouldnt exactly quit the game because of it now would you? neither would you quit visiting this site, unless your a complete n00b ._.

From: Kave
i think the the "noob" post wasn't worth infracting honestly not even jagex mute/ban/bm anyone for saying noob if someones reports you for saying "noob" on runescape it doesn't get u infracted, if "noob" is considered offensive well thats extremely wrong, if someone called you a noob on runescape u wouldnt exactly quit the game because of it now would you? neither would you quit visiting this site, unless your a complete n00b ._.

Not try to compare this community with rs, please.

From: Hobbit
Did I say anything whatsoever about age in the above post

From: Hobbit
Everyone, you are an SRL Member, you should be settting an example for all the newer, sometimes younger, members. Please do not use that kinda of language here, you do not know the age of every single person who will view your post or what background they come from. It could deeply offend someone, there are plenty of alternative words, use them.

Cool?

totally got infracted for swearing haha

/me rants about the staff n stuff…jking ;)

From: Dr D. Dervish
AFAIK, what he said was not an insult, but more a joke. All of these are also so called "jokes" so you might want to warn all these people who have "fuck" or "bitch" or anything else in their posts ? Noob aswell ? Thats right, warn half of srl, even the staff.

Well thats the thing. It didn't look like a joke. That's a dangerous thing on a forum, its hard to get the real meaning of a post some times. What he means can be interpreted differently to others. Also I have stated that the warning was for insulting other members not for inappropriate language. There is nothing inappropriate with the word "noob" by itself or in a different context. But in Da 0wner's post, if that word had been left out he would have sounded much less insulting.

From: MylesMadness
Cool?

That was not the post i was referring to, please try not to twist my words ;)

This was the post:

From: Hobbit
(Directed at SRL Members mainly)

It should because you guys are all being ridiculous.

Everyone needs to grow up and think before they speak. I will say this again, you are SRL Memeber, you should represent this community. How welcoming do you think we would seem if you just got here and the first few posts your read consist of a bunch of arbitrary swearing and the antagonizing of people for a simple question? Use your brain! People should feel free to ask questions of things they do not know! They shouldn't hold the question back because of a fear that they will be patronized and made fun of for it. This is not what the SRL Forums are about! I'll be honest here, I don't care who you are, I don't care if you are my favorite person in the world or my least favorite, attitudes like that are not welcome here and if that is the attitude you wish to present yourself with I would invite you to leave for awhile until you can grow up then come back


Cheers,
Hobbit

From: ZephyrsFury
Well thats the thing. It didn't look like a joke. That's a dangerous thing on a forum, its hard to get the real meaning of a post some times. What he means can be interpreted differently to others. Also I have stated that the warning was for insulting other members not for inappropriate language. There is nothing inappropriate with the word "noob" by itself or in a different context. But in Da 0wner's post, if that word had been left out he would have sounded much less insulting.

Umm, that still should not merit a warning. Noob should not be offensive to anybody. If it does (especially on an internet forum), they have very low self-esteem…

Its called a warning because its a warning, not an infraction :\ Whats the big deal here

I don't care that I got a warning but the point is that there should be no reason to issue it to me.

Just follow the rules and be nice and everything will be fine.
THE END.

bump?

From: cycrosism
bump?

no need to bump unless someone has something to complain about…

~RM

Lets See RM, hurry up with marking :p. But really why does it take so long?

From: NiCbaZ
Lets See RM, hurry up with marking :p. But really why does it take so long?

Marking?

Hello SRL staff members,

–I am writing this to tell you that in comparison to every forum that I've been to (other than microsoft, delphi, other professional fields ect.) this has been by far the best staff I have encountered thus far, Congratulations.

–However, this is not a perfect staff… and I will refrain from using names or specifics in this post, if you have a specific question than MSN me, PM me, if not than just quote this and post a reply in this thread if you would, thanks.

–Complaint #1 Undeserved rankings. I would like to begin with SSRL, from my perspective, this is a complete joke in nature. I see people in it that are less skilled and intelligent (even less mature) than people who have been registered at these forums for years and are not in it, and that's by a long shot. From what I understand the process that is chosen to select these members is also seriously flawed seeing as the chosen are to choose the choose-ies, which is already far off track. I personally believe the admins should hand pick these people rather than making it an exclusive club viably to only those who are popular and 'allowed', very hard to describe my exact feelings on this. I personally strongly beleive their should be an application forum to get into SSRL just like there is with SRL Members. Secondly I'd like to criticize the admin/ moderator-ship of a portion of the current holding those positions. I believe people holding developership, adminship, or moderatorship should be talented enough scripters to be legitimate developers at very least. I've seen people promoted to mod, even admin based souly off reputation and popularness, which to me does not promote good leadership or examples in contribution or community leading abilities.

–Complaint #2 Personal feuds affecting authority. I've seen some justifiable acts regarding personal feuds affecting authority such as people being hacked or scammed, but I've seen unjustifiable acts that include thing such as when reflection was first introduced to SCAR in the form of KYAB was widely rejected (at least partially) only because solarwind was associated with it. I've also personally been insulted/discriminated against and even taken action against in the debates forum for disagreeing with a few certain moderators about the harmful side affects of marijuana. To put it simply, I feel it perfectly fine and necessary for a person of authority to speak out against someone as long as it is not speaking for the community or using any authority powers such as infractions/suspension/lock/bannage unless fit or necessary, which for the most part you all have done a good job with the exception of a few frequent exceptions.

–Complaint #3 "Pissing around". This comes largely from my shared view with Starblaster100 who ranted on Daniel.Blaze about a portion of the staff "pissing around" like when I see mods (rarely admins) doing things they know they shouldn't setting bad examples and standards for the rest of the community to follow. This too, is however, very mild, and completely remote in comparison to our neighboring forums and communities which I am very proud of.

–Complaint #4 Obsession. This is my final complaint which actually mostly goes out to members who practically worship their superiors and everything they say or do. Very annoying, go to church and praise God or something not some online foreign people. It's quite annoying when someone makes a thread about their favorite scripter changing their avatar.

[13:03:12] <NaumanAkhlaQ> Anarchy detected!

From: Rubix
[13:03:12] <NaumanAkhlaQ> Anarchy detected!

I'm not an anarchist, gfy.

From: Rubix
[13:03:12] <NaumanAkhlaQ> Anarchy detected!

Can we stop being idiots please? IceFire's post was one of the few that was actually worth the read.

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
Can we stop being idiots please? IceFire's post was one of the few that was actually worth the read.

~RM

I took that back, as explained to IceFire908.

Lol k.

From: IceFire908
Hello SRL staff members,

–I am writing this to tell you that in comparison to every forum that I've been to (other than microsoft, delphi, other professional fields ect.) this has been by far the best staff I have encountered thus far, Congratulations.

–However, this is not a perfect staff… and I will refrain from using names or specifics in this post, if you have a specific question than MSN me, PM me, if not than just quote this and post a reply in this thread if you would, thanks.

–Complaint #1 Undeserved rankings. I would like to begin with SSRL, from my perspective, this is a complete joke in nature. I see people in it that are less skilled and intelligent (even less mature) than people who have been registered at these forums for years and are not in it, and that's by a long shot. From what I understand the process that is chosen to select these members is also seriously flawed seeing as the chosen are to choose the choose-ies, which is already far off track. I personally believe the admins should hand pick these people rather than making it an exclusive club viably to only those who are popular and 'allowed', very hard to describe my exact feelings on this. I personally strongly beleive their should be an application forum to get into SSRL just like there is with SRL Members. Secondly I'd like to criticize the admin/ moderator-ship of a portion of the current holding those positions. I believe people holding developership, adminship, or moderatorship should be talented enough scripters to be legitimate developers at very least. I've seen people promoted to mod, even admin based souly off reputation and popularness, which to me does not promote good leadership or examples in contribution or community leading abilities.

–Complaint #2 Personal feuds affecting authority. I've seen some justifiable acts regarding personal feuds affecting authority such as people being hacked or scammed, but I've seen unjustifiable acts that include thing such as when reflection was first introduced to SCAR in the form of KYAB was widely rejected (at least partially) only because solarwind was associated with it. I've also personally been insulted/discriminated against and even taken action against in the debates forum for disagreeing with a few certain moderators about the harmful side affects of marijuana. To put it simply, I feel it perfectly fine and necessary for a person of authority to speak out against someone as long as it is not speaking for the community or using any authority powers such as infractions/suspension/lock/bannage unless fit or necessary, which for the most part you all have done a good job with the exception of a few frequent exceptions.

–Complaint #3 "Pissing around". This comes largely from my shared view with Starblaster100 who ranted on Daniel.Blaze about a portion of the staff "pissing around" like when I see mods (rarely admins) doing things they know they shouldn't setting bad examples and standards for the rest of the community to follow. This too, is however, very mild, and completely remote in comparison to our neighboring forums and communities which I am very proud of.

–Complaint #4 Obsession. This is my final complaint which actually mostly goes out to members who practically worship their superiors and everything they say or do. Very annoying, go to church and praise God or something not some online foreign people. It's quite annoying when someone makes a thread about their favorite scripter changing their avatar.

#1.
-> 1.1
Your knowledge of ssrl is of course limited, however, you complain that the members of ssrl choose the ones who will in future join ssrl. This is true for SRL Membership as well, as it is the members who vote on who gets in or not. As for the SSRL app, "It is a curious thing, Harry, but perhaps those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it. Those who, like you, have leadership thrust upon them, and take up the mantle because they must, and find to their own surprise that they wear it well. ";
-> 1.2
There is not a single active developer who was not voted into devs, therefore a majority of his fellow devs deemed him worthy. I understand you might disagree in some cases, however it seems natural to me that those who develop srl choose the ones they deem worthy to keep srl alive.
-> 1.3
You complain about people being granted mod / admin solely on reputation and/or popularity. As you can clearly see, Nauman, Da 0wner and Harry, who are widely known in the SRL forums are not staff. Were it to be solely based on reputation, they'd definitely be admins by now. Also, reputation is not a factor at all. I wonder who is able to remember much of me before i became mod. Or much of Zeph, Nava or Markus before they got dev. And etc.
To compliment that, only mods get promoted to admin, and you believe some may have been promoted unjustly. I now ask you, why? Also, how do you know it is undeserving, when you only have access to half of the forums they get to view, and therefore is most likely that you only see half the work they do? Also - you most likely don't see the work they do at all, as we often make posts for each others, whenever one is not available. The Staff works as a team, and it is often hard to tell who did what.

#2.
As the subject of complaint is previous to me joining the staff or i have no influence over it i can not excuse nor justify any of the actions. However you talk about threads being closed because a mod disagreed. Is it possible that it was closed not due to opinion, but due to the fact that the difference of opinions was stirring a lot of trouble?

#3.
Oh well. Not everyone is perfect. Everyone has his ups and downs both in attitude and mood.

#4.
Can you really blame the staff for being loved? :p or can you really complain to the staff about it being a bad thing? Also, usually, a change in avatar is a simple, rather harmless joke between a mod and his friend(s).

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
#1.
-> 1.1
Your knowledge of ssrl is of course limited, however, you complain that the members of ssrl choose the ones who will in future join ssrl. This is true for SRL Membership as well, as it is the members who vote on who gets in or not. As for the SSRL app, "It is a curious thing, Harry, but perhaps those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it. Those who, like you, have leadership thrust upon them, and take up the mantle because they must, and find to their own surprise that they wear it well. ";
-> 1.2
There is not a single active developer who was not voted into devs, therefore a majority of his fellow devs deemed him worthy. I understand you might disagree in some cases, however it seems natural to me that those who develop srl choose the ones they deem worthy to keep srl alive.
-> 1.3
You complain about people being granted mod / admin solely on reputation and/or popularity. As you can clearly see, Nauman, Da 0wner and Harry, who are widely known in the SRL forums are not staff. Were it to be solely based on reputation, they'd definitely be admins by now. Also, reputation is not a factor at all. I wonder who is able to remember much of me before i became mod. Or much of Zeph, Nava or Markus before they got dev. And etc.
To compliment that, only mods get promoted to admin, and you believe some may have been promoted unjustly. I now ask you, why? Also, how do you know it is undeserving, when you only have access to half of the forums they get to view, and therefore is most likely that you only see half the work they do? Also - you most likely don't see the work they do at all, as we often make posts for each others, whenever one is not available. The Staff works as a team, and it is often hard to tell who did what.

#2.
As the subject of complaint is previous to me joining the staff or i have no influence over it i can not excuse nor justify any of the actions. However you talk about threads being closed because a mod disagreed. Is it possible that it was closed not due to opinion, but due to the fact that the difference of opinions was stirring a lot of trouble?

#3.
Oh well. Not everyone is perfect. Everyone has his ups and downs both in attitude and mood.

#4.
Can you really blame the staff for being loved? :p or can you really complain to the staff about it being a bad thing? Also, usually, a change in avatar is a simple, rather harmless joke between a mod and his friend(s).

~RM

From what I've heard the SM votes are unfair and stupid… but like you said I'm so limited as an SRL member to see half the forums even though I've been here since 2006 like many others. I remember clearly… BenLand, Flyboy, Wizzup, WT-Fawaki, Dank, Boreas were admins, Starblaster, Yakman, Sumilion, Tarajunky mods/super mods, developers were a small group too. I remember when a lot of you were SRL members like it was yesterday. Perhaps you're giving my background knowledge little credit… I'm basing my review of the staff off the past 3/4 years not just the past 2 months. Hell I remember Niel before he was a member and zeph.. and I remember when Nav.The claw were members… it was a for a year or two or more… In most cases the thread is closed because it causing trouble, but some times I see it closed because a mod decides he'd rather have the final word and lock it. No I can't 'blame' them for being 'loved' buts its freaking annoying to have to watch all the mindless idiots worship them like gods.

Like you said, take into consideration I only see half of what goes on around here. But personally I don't find it to be just a mere coincidence Starblaster, whom had access to all forums agreed with me. Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should be demoted or anything but I think people need to take it for what it is.

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showpost.php?p=440896&postcount=112

From: IceFire908
Hello SRL staff members,

–I am writing this to tell you that in comparison to every forum that I've been to (other than microsoft, delphi, other professional fields ect.) this has been by far the best staff I have encountered thus far, Congratulations.

–However, this is not a perfect staff… and I will refrain from using names or specifics in this post, if you have a specific question than MSN me, PM me, if not than just quote this and post a reply in this thread if you would, thanks.

–Complaint #1 Undeserved rankings. I would like to begin with SSRL, from my perspective, this is a complete joke in nature. I see people in it that are less skilled and intelligent (even less mature) than people who have been registered at these forums for years and are not in it, and that's by a long shot. From what I understand the process that is chosen to select these members is also seriously flawed seeing as the chosen are to choose the choose-ies, which is already far off track. I personally believe the admins should hand pick these people rather than making it an exclusive club viably to only those who are popular and 'allowed', very hard to describe my exact feelings on this. I personally strongly beleive their should be an application forum to get into SSRL just like there is with SRL Members. Secondly I'd like to criticize the admin/ moderator-ship of a portion of the current holding those positions. I believe people holding developership, adminship, or moderatorship should be talented enough scripters to be legitimate developers at very least. I've seen people promoted to mod, even admin based souly off reputation and popularness, which to me does not promote good leadership or examples in contribution or community leading abilities.

–Complaint #2 Personal feuds affecting authority. I've seen some justifiable acts regarding personal feuds affecting authority such as people being hacked or scammed, but I've seen unjustifiable acts that include thing such as when reflection was first introduced to SCAR in the form of KYAB was widely rejected (at least partially) only because solarwind was associated with it. I've also personally been insulted/discriminated against and even taken action against in the debates forum for disagreeing with a few certain moderators about the harmful side affects of marijuana. To put it simply, I feel it perfectly fine and necessary for a person of authority to speak out against someone as long as it is not speaking for the community or using any authority powers such as infractions/suspension/lock/bannage unless fit or necessary, which for the most part you all have done a good job with the exception of a few frequent exceptions.

–Complaint #3 "Pissing around". This comes largely from my shared view with Starblaster100 who ranted on Daniel.Blaze about a portion of the staff "pissing around" like when I see mods (rarely admins) doing things they know they shouldn't setting bad examples and standards for the rest of the community to follow. This too, is however, very mild, and completely remote in comparison to our neighboring forums and communities which I am very proud of.

–Complaint #4 Obsession. This is my final complaint which actually mostly goes out to members who practically worship their superiors and everything they say or do. Very annoying, go to church and praise God or something not some online foreign people. It's quite annoying when someone makes a thread about their favorite scripter changing their avatar.

Hello Mr. Icefire908,
I am writing this in a response to your post above. lol

Fair points though.

1.

Undeserved rankings. I would like to begin with SSRL, from my perspective, this is a complete joke in nature. I see people in it that are less skilled and intelligent (even less mature) than people who have been registered at these forums for years and are not in it, and that's by a long shot.

Thats just like, your opinion, man.

I personally believe the admins should hand pick these people rather than making it an exclusive club viably to only those who are popular and 'allowed'

Thats very counter-intuitive, if the admin hand picked someone then they would be "allowed" right? I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean. But what's wrong with a democratic voting system? It's much like the system to get into SRL-Members, except people can't apply - they're nominated by SSRL+. It's not like someone goes "oh, I like this person, lets make them SSRL" and it happens. And trust me, its not popularity that we look for when voting. There are some very popular people who arent in it, and some people you've probably never even heard of who are. And RAM is the only mod/admin who isn't also a dev, so I guess you're simply wrong. Basically, you don't know what goes on behind the scenes and you're making a lot of incorrect assumptions. Of course someones not going to become an admin just because theyre popular.

2. It wasn't about the content of what you were posting that got your threads locked/you suspended, it was the way in which you were posting. Everyone could tell you were trolling, and saying that you're being disciminated against for your beliefs (ON THE INTERNET of all places) is ludicrous. The whole point of the debate forum is to talk with people of other beliefs, if what you're saying is right then anyone who didnt agree with the mods would also be suspended/banned. Which doesnt happen. If you weren't trolling I'm sorry, me and the rest of the forum must have misinterpreted you. Don't take it personally.

3. Yeah some of us like to have a bit of fun, I can see where you're coming from but like you said it's nothing like other forums where admins try to crack their users passes/fuck around with their accounts etc. Nothing malicious, just joking around.

4. Very true. But what can you do, SRL has alot of young members and its just natural for them to see the older members as role models, just as a little brother looks up to his big brother.

Well I understand that, and don't get me wrong I'm not assuming I'm 100% right but I am telling you what it is like to be a SRL member at these forums sometimes… it's just my perspective, but my perspective is greatly limited by things that are nearly completely out of my control.

You guys made a rant against the staff thread so I thought I just let out a couple of things.

The whole mj discussion was a huge misunderstanding, and I can see how it happened… which is in the past and I hold no grudges or prejudice against any of those people.

Guys don't ever take zyprexa even if it's prescribed by your doctor (my doctor is stupid), I literally wasn't thinking rationally for a while during the time I was suspended and thought I was.

I feel better now that I posted what I thought, and you guys have clarified most of it.

I will drop all other complaints seeing as they are either not against the staff or in their mildest form, and a lot of things have changed since Star was demoted.

I still think SSRL needs some kind of intervention though… I'm not sure what exactly what needs to be changed but what is going now isn't working as well as you would think or like to think of it as.

IceFire, just so you know, don't lump-sum developers into the Staff. They aren't, staff are Mods + Admins.

Devs are completely different, and get no where near the privileges.

From: IceFire908
Undeserved rankings. I would like to begin with SSRL, from my perspective, this is a complete joke in nature. I see people in it that are less skilled and intelligent (even less mature) than people who have been registered at these forums for years and are not in it, and that's by a long shot.

I am curious as to how you would know who or who isn't part of SSRL and how any SSRL member is less skilled and intelligent than anyone else.

As SSRL we do not take voting in new members lightly. Any new applicants are polled and discussed based on maturity, activity and skill. Any hint of trouble-making is reflected strongly in the poll.

The term 'Senior' in SSRL does not necessarily refer to a member's longevity or time registered on the forums, rather the 'seniority' of their attitudes and mind-sets.

I know most SSRL members personally and they are some of the most skilled, intelligent and mature people I have met here. There may be other members who are more popular or better at scripting or have been here for a long time but if the attitude and maturity is not there then they can't possibly be considered for SSRL. I trust all SSRL members a great deal to handle their powers and privileges well. And all of them are deserving of their rank.

From: ZephyrsFury
I am curious as to how you would know who or who isn't part of SSRL and how any SSRL member is less skilled and intelligent than anyone else.

As SSRL we do not take voting in new members lightly. Any new applicants are polled and discussed based on maturity, activity and skill. Any hint of trouble-making is reflected strongly in the poll.

The term 'Senior' in SSRL does not necessarily refer to a member's longevity or time registered on the forums, rather the 'seniority' of their attitudes and mind-sets.

I know most SSRL members personally and they are some of the most skilled, intelligent and mature people I have met here. There may be other members who are more popular or better at scripting or have been here for a long time but if the attitude and maturity is not there then they can't possibly be considered for SSRL. I trust all SSRL members a great deal to handle their powers and privileges well. And all of them are deserving of their rank.

These are my feelings. I'm just to lazy to write them out.

I can't exactly talk on the other points anyways.

From: IceFire908
Hello SRL staff members,

–I am writing this to tell you that in comparison to every forum that I've been to (other than microsoft, delphi, other professional fields ect.) this has been by far the best staff I have encountered thus far, Congratulations.

–However, this is not a perfect staff… and I will refrain from using names or specifics in this post, if you have a specific question than MSN me, PM me, if not than just quote this and post a reply in this thread if you would, thanks.

–Complaint #1 Undeserved rankings. I would like to begin with SSRL, from my perspective, this is a complete joke in nature. I see people in it that are less skilled and intelligent (even less mature) than people who have been registered at these forums for years and are not in it, and that's by a long shot. From what I understand the process that is chosen to select these members is also seriously flawed seeing as the chosen are to choose the choose-ies, which is already far off track. I personally believe the admins should hand pick these people rather than making it an exclusive club viably to only those who are popular and 'allowed', very hard to describe my exact feelings on this. I personally strongly beleive their should be an application forum to get into SSRL just like there is with SRL Members. Secondly I'd like to criticize the admin/ moderator-ship of a portion of the current holding those positions. I believe people holding developership, adminship, or moderatorship should be talented enough scripters to be legitimate developers at very least. I've seen people promoted to mod, even admin based souly off reputation and popularness, which to me does not promote good leadership or examples in contribution or community leading abilities.

–Complaint #2 Personal feuds affecting authority. I've seen some justifiable acts regarding personal feuds affecting authority such as people being hacked or scammed, but I've seen unjustifiable acts that include thing such as when reflection was first introduced to SCAR in the form of KYAB was widely rejected (at least partially) only because solarwind was associated with it. I've also personally been insulted/discriminated against and even taken action against in the debates forum for disagreeing with a few certain moderators about the harmful side affects of marijuana. To put it simply, I feel it perfectly fine and necessary for a person of authority to speak out against someone as long as it is not speaking for the community or using any authority powers such as infractions/suspension/lock/bannage unless fit or necessary, which for the most part you all have done a good job with the exception of a few frequent exceptions.

–Complaint #3 "Pissing around". This comes largely from my shared view with Starblaster100 who ranted on Daniel.Blaze about a portion of the staff "pissing around" like when I see mods (rarely admins) doing things they know they shouldn't setting bad examples and standards for the rest of the community to follow. This too, is however, very mild, and completely remote in comparison to our neighboring forums and communities which I am very proud of.

–Complaint #4 Obsession. This is my final complaint which actually mostly goes out to members who practically worship their superiors and everything they say or do. Very annoying, go to church and praise God or something not some online foreign people. It's quite annoying when someone makes a thread about their favorite scripter changing their avatar.

I have a first point before I comment. Well thought out post, I actually enjoyed reading it. And I agree with some parts.

Point 1 - I have no knowledge about this, so it would be unfair for me to comment on it.

Point 2 - I agree with the general theme, although I have no exact opinion about the rest of the supporting details. It seems that the closer to home something appears to a staff member, the more severe the punishment. I know this wasn't worded well at all, but I can't think of another way to put it. Admins simply react more severely if it happened to them than if it happened to someone else.

Point 3 - I have definitely noticed that some high ranking people have been pissing around the last little while, and it does annoy me, but it's not like I have any power to do anything. This is a forum for kids mostly, and hence there will always be an immature person wanting to abuse any power they want for the fun of it.

Point 4 - Concur 100%. No more points to be made on the subject.

From: IceFire908
From what I've heard the SM votes are unfair and stupid… but like you said I'm so limited as an SRL member to see half the forums even though I've been here since 2006 like many others. I remember clearly… BenLand, Flyboy, Wizzup, WT-Fawaki, Dank, Boreas were admins, Starblaster, Yakman, Sumilion, Tarajunky mods/super mods, developers were a small group too. I remember when a lot of you were SRL members like it was yesterday. Perhaps you're giving my background knowledge little credit… I'm basing my review of the staff off the past 3/4 years not just the past 2 months. Hell I remember Niel before he was a member and zeph.. and I remember when Nav.The claw were members… it was a for a year or two or more… In most cases the thread is closed because it causing trouble, but some times I see it closed because a mod decides he'd rather have the final word and lock it. No I can't 'blame' them for being 'loved' buts its freaking annoying to have to watch all the mindless idiots worship them like gods.

I've been here since February 2007, I believe. I was here before Nielsie joined, I saw him fly through the ranks. I remember Zeph, who I talk to on msn from time to time. I remember FlyBoy, Dankness, Boreas, Yohojo (Wicked awesome) and I remember when some of the current staff were jr members, srl members, just like I was/am. Hell, I still remember showing lordsaturn how to script. Now he is a dev.

I agree that you can't blame the staff for having people follow them, but they can fan the fire, and it does happen. The idiots who worship them just make the whole situation worse.

E: None of this was meant as complaining, even though as I read over it, it could be taken as that.

From: ZephyrsFury
I am curious as to how you would know who or who isn't part of SSRL and how any SSRL member is less skilled and intelligent than anyone else.

It's kinda of easy to tell who's higher ranked when you click on Who's online and it says 'Viewing "thread"', or like other instances like when SMART was first released more people were unveiled to be SSL.

I like to download a lot of scripts off these forums and compare them learn from them. And I've seen quite clearly the differences in skill levels between a lot of people who I know aren't in SSL and those that are and I can tell quite clearly the rankings are undeserved.

Overall SSRL doesn't mean anything other than you were picked to be part of some exclusive club… the whole thing is pointless… perhaps take a look into the people that aren't SSRL and compare their skill to the people that are in it and might discover how messed up things have gotten in terms of accuracy.

You can say it's my opinion, but its pretty well based when I compare their works and quite often conclude the people in SSRL are actually worse at scripting.

So if you're not in SSRL fellow non-SSRL members, don't feel bad… it means you're better than them statistically. Maturity levels in the past year are virtually the same, I rarely see anyone being immature like the old days and if I do it's one person or someone is who going crazy/heavily intoxicated for a day or hacked.

The main problem is all the fucking secret forums.

From: R0b0t1
The main problem is all the fucking secret forums.

Disagreed. If we had no secret forums, having membership of any sort would be useless, as the SRL members scripts would be just as available to an admin as to someone with 0 posts who just joined. ;)

As for the mod/admin forums, though, I think they're fine. If you've ever run a decent-sized forum, you'll know that such things are necessary.

One example of their use would be for the discussion of potential candidates for ban/promotion. They get the consensus of those allowed to vote in a private manner; if Member_X was about to be banned because of how he is acting, making such a forum public would be problematic because he'd see "Oh, I'm about to be banned. I'll be nice now."

They're essential to keeping a certain level of peace, and help people do their jobs.

/*—————-}

As for my opinion, I don't really see much wrong. I agree in the fact that this is one of the most well-moderated forums I've ever seen. For me, at least, the mods have always been very friendly. They let the topic veer off to an appropriate level, but aren't extremely strict or lax with it.

Overall, you are doing an excellent job. Keep it up. ^^

IceFire, drop the SSRL issue, you don't know what you are talking about.

Quite frankly, until you are SSRL and are sure of those who are, you can not comment!

Feel free to name ONE SSRL member who has sub-par scripting skills. One that is active might I add.

From: IceFire908
It's kinda of easy to tell who's higher ranked when you click on Who's online and it says 'Viewing "thread"', or like other instances like when SMART was first released more people were unveiled to be SSL.

I like to download a lot of scripts off these forums and compare them learn from them. And I've seen quite clearly the differences in skill levels between a lot of people who I know aren't in SSL and those that are and I can tell quite clearly the rankings are undeserved.

Overall SSRL doesn't mean anything other than you were picked to be part of some exclusive club… the whole thing is pointless… perhaps take a look into the people that aren't SSRL and compare their skill to the people that are in it and might discover how messed up things have gotten in terms of accuracy.

You can say it's my opinion, but its pretty well based when I compare their works and quite often conclude the people in SSRL are actually worse at scripting.

So if you're not in SSRL fellow non-SSRL members, don't feel bad… it means you're better than them statistically. Maturity levels in the past year are virtually the same, I rarely see anyone being immature like the old days and if I do it's one person or someone is who going crazy/heavily intoxicated for a day or hacked.

Just so you know, scripting skills are only one of the things we look for when voting if someone should be SSRL or not.

All the comments by Mods etc still don't make SSRL any less gay.

SSRL has a purpose, and it serves that purpose with an acceptable, although not perfect, degree of quality. Anyone that is not SSRL+ can't pass judgment on it. Anyone that goes on SRL forums when they have large mood swings, naturally caused or otherwise, will probably not be entrusted with SSRL+ access, no matter what their longevity is. I do see some people make the same decisions as staff, just because the staff made them, however this should not be confused with making a decision because the decision makes sense (which is probably why the staff made it in the first place). The example with a staff member voting yes and then the vote changes, is definitely a bad thing (unless the admin posted reasons that people may not have thought about before, and those reasons changed their mind). What all experienced SRL Members can do to help this is making specific comments on apps, so that new SRL Members can see why people vote. We definitely encourage thinking for yourselves with your own reasoning. Do keep in mind that if individuals think through their reasoning and come up with the correct conclusion, and the staff reaches the correct conclusion through their discussion (and remember that they were made staff because they make good decisions), then the two conclusions would be in agreement; this would be a different situation to the previous example. I could go on until I'm blue in the face, but reasoning rarely changes strong opinions, so it really comes down to two common expressions: 'Walk a mile in a another man's shoes…' and 'If you don't like it, leave'. I would like to think that a few years from now, SRL will still be around, unlike a lot of other projects, and that is the real goal.

From: Boreas
SSRL has a purpose, and it serves that purpose with an acceptable, although not perfect, degree of quality. Anyone that is not SSRL+ can't pass judgment on it. Anyone that goes on SRL forums when they have large mood swings, naturally caused or otherwise, will probably not be entrusted with SSRL+ access, no matter what their longevity is. I do see some people make the same decisions as staff, just because the staff made them, however this should not be confused with making a decision because the decision makes sense (which is probably why the staff made it in the first place). The example with a staff member voting yes and then the vote changes, is definitely a bad thing (unless the admin posted reasons that people may not have thought about before, and those reasons changed their mind). What all experienced SRL Members can do to help this is making specific comments on apps, so that new SRL Members can see why people vote. We definitely encourage thinking for yourselves with your own reasoning. Do keep in mind that if individuals think through their reasoning and come up with the correct conclusion, and the staff reaches the correct conclusion through their discussion (and remember that they were made staff because they make good decisions), then the two conclusions would be in agreement; this would be a different situation to the previous example. I could go on until I'm blue in the face, but reasoning rarely changes strong opinions, so it really comes down to two common expressions: 'Walk a mile in a another man's shoes…' and 'If you don't like it, leave'. I would like to think that a few years from now, SRL will still be around, unlike a lot of other projects, and that is the real goal.

I agree with that, but that doesn't really answer any questions.

"one that goes on SRL forums when they have large mood swings, naturally caused or otherwise, will probably not be entrusted with SSRL+ access, no matter what their longevity is."

For the record that is false, I know a few mods/admins that have had "mood swings" not that I hold it against them or anything. Whether it was drunk, relationship problems, personal problems, or just unfiltered hatred or anger.

And all you people asking for specifics really need to lay off, I refuse to name any one specific person or event… I already said that I would not do so. And yes, it's obvious who has access to SSRL + forums and who doesn't.

From: R0b0t1
All the comments by Mods etc still don't make SSRL any less gay.

This pretty much sums up what we SRL members think about SSRL.

From: IceFire908

This pretty much sums up what we SRL members think about SSRL.

Speak for yourself. I don't care one way or the other about SSRL.

From: senrath
Speak for yourself. I don't care one way or the other about SSRL.

This pretty much sums up the majority of what members think.

Speak for yourself as well.

I don't like how you sum the 'majority' of members under your opinion…

From: mormonman
I don't like how you sum the 'majority' of members under your opinion…

I guess I'm just being overly truthful… a lot of people would rather keep their opinions to their self because they care to much about their reputation here to ever say anything that might be considered offensive.

More people have agreed than disagreed, so tell me how that's not a majority?

I'll accept that the majority of people who have spoken up don't like SSRL. But until the majority of SRL Members have spoken, I will not accept such a broad generalization on your part.

From: senrath
But until the majority of SRL Members have spoken

Spoken? Lol… yea like that's ever going to happen. People think they are smart avoiding these types of debates and I can't blame em.

You don't have to accept my generalization, but don't think less of me for putting out what is highly likely to be an accurate statistic.

From: IceFire908
Spoken? Lol… yea like that's ever going to happen. People think they are smart avoiding these types of debates and I can't blame em.

You don't have to accept my generalization, but don't think less of me for putting out what is highly likely to be an accurate statistic.

At the first part. Yes. It is smart to avoid the debates. I can 100% gaurantee that being in a debate hating on the admins makes their opinion of you go down. They probably think the same of everyone who is criticizing them.

The generalization is definitely true. The only people likely to like the *secret* rank are those who are in it, and get the benefit. I for one don't really care that SSRL is around. The secret member thing is the stupid part. I think that if everyone went around with *SSRL Member* in their name instead of *SRL Member* then it wouldnt make a big difference. What is the reasoning behind keeping the members secret? It wouldn't hurt my feelings either way knowing who is and isn't. I know I'm not, and it wouldn't bother me at all knowing that other people are ranked higher than I am. I could probably guess some people who are SSRL just by their skill and maturity, and i'm sure there wouldn't be too many suprises if a members list was brought out for SSRL.

From: IceFire908
I agree with that, but that doesn't really answer any questions.

"one that goes on SRL forums when they have large mood swings, naturally caused or otherwise, will probably not be entrusted with SSRL+ access, no matter what their longevity is."

For the record that is false, I know a few mods/admins that have had "mood swings" not that I hold it against them or anything. Whether it was drunk, relationship problems, personal problems, or just unfiltered hatred or anger.

And all you people asking for specifics really need to lay off, I refuse to name any one specific person or event… I already said that I would not do so. And yes, it's obvious who has access to SSRL + forums and who doesn't.



This pretty much sums up what we SRL members think about SSRL.

Speak for your self, im not in SSRL and im sure we dont really know whats in their so how would you know?

From: NiCbaZ
Speak for your self, im not in SSRL and im sure we dont really know whats in their so how would you know?

It sounds like you haven't read the whole thread.

From: IceFire908
This pretty much sums up the majority of what members think.

Speak for yourself as well.

From: senrath
I'll accept that the majority of people who have spoken up don't like SSRL. But until the majority of SRL Members have spoken, I will not accept such a broad generalization on your part.

From: IceFire908
I guess I'm just being overly truthful… a lot of people would rather keep their opinions to their self because they care to much about their reputation here to ever say anything that might be considered offensive.

More people have agreed than disagreed, so tell me how that's not a majority?

From: 3Garrett3
At the first part. Yes. It is smart to avoid the debates. I can 100% gaurantee that being in a debate hating on the admins makes their opinion of you go down. They probably think the same of everyone who is criticizing them.

The generalization is definitely true. The only people likely to like the *secret* rank are those who are in it, and get the benefit. I for one don't really care that SSRL is around. The secret member thing is the stupid part. I think that if everyone went around with *SSRL Member* in their name instead of *SRL Member* then it wouldnt make a big difference. What is the reasoning behind keeping the members secret? It wouldn't hurt my feelings either way knowing who is and isn't. I know I'm not, and it wouldn't bother me at all knowing that other people are ranked higher than I am. I could probably guess some people who are SSRL just by their skill and maturity, and i'm sure there wouldn't be too many suprises if a members list was brought out for SSRL.

Ignorance is bliss?

Ignorance is bliss to me? Or to the people ignoring our opinions? Because if it is to me, then I don't understand.

From: 3Garrett3
Ignorance is bliss to me? Or to the people ignoring our opinions? Because if it is to me, then I don't understand.

They are upset I'm using statistics because it hasn't been accurately voted upon.

51% to 49% is a majority, and it's probably a bigger split here.

Yes, it's a majority of those who have spoken up. But until more people say something, there's no way of knowing if what you say is true.

From: senrath
Yes, it's a majority of those who have spoken up. But until more people say something, there's no way of knowing if what you say is true.

Correct, senrath.

Hence why people should stop being wimps and speak their opinion.

From: 3Garrett3
Hence why people should stop being wimps and speak their opinion.

I assume a lot of people don't really care or know, or know a lot about it.

To be honest I don't really care myself.. I'm just interested to see if I learn something new here.

Everywhere in the world people will be split into groups, rich and poor, fat and thin, intelligent and stupid. Its only people that take these "labels" seriously that end up annoyed. You are who you are, doesn't really matter what "label" you come under.

It's quite easy to see which members are ssrl members based on their stance though, isn't it? Quite grand fun.

From: 3Garrett3
It's quite easy to see which members are ssrl members based on their stance though, isn't it? Quite grand fun.

Eh, I wouldn't say that.

The people avoiding stating their opinions on ssrl, or the ones praising the benefits of ssrl are obviously ssrl members. Because they arent supposed to go screaming "I'M SSRL NUBS U R T3H SUCKZ0RS!!?>!?!". And obviously they aren't going to say "SSRL sucks" because they are a part of it.

From: 3Garrett3
The people avoiding stating their opinions on ssrl, or the ones praising the benefits of ssrl are obviously ssrl members. Because they arent supposed to go screaming "I'M SSRL NUBS U R T3H SUCKZ0RS!!?>!?!". And obviously they aren't going to say "SSRL sucks" because they are a part of it.

I'm not SSRL but I know most of the perks and some extra people in it, and don't assume people are SSRL based on this thread, base it off there overall maturity, and everything that is expected of an SSRL member.

I'm not that dumb to assume that. But I know based on past knowledge and the posts made here who is likely to be ssrl.

[/EndOfftopic Conversation]

Back to rants against the staff… not against the ranks.

I am mad at Zeph because he is even thinking of leaving.

From: mormonman
[/EndOfftopic Conversation]

Back to rants against the staff… not against the ranks.

I am mad at Zeph because he is even thinking of leaving.

Everyone needs a break once in a while… some people have been around the community and cheating scene for a very long time.

If Zeph does leave he better come back to visit or when he's bored.

I don't care if he doesn't contribute, just as long as he gets on IRC every once in a while.

From: 3Garrett3
I'm not that dumb to assume that. But I know based on past knowledge and the posts made here who is likely to be ssrl.

Ah, ignorance is bliss.

By the way I don't mean to insult, you've been very mature in this thread. :)

just want to point out that I can almost guarentee you couldn't do as you say.

I rant against the staff cause they don't organize in game activities.

From: 3Garrett3
The people avoiding stating their opinions on ssrl, or the ones praising the benefits of ssrl are obviously ssrl members. Because they arent supposed to go screaming "I'M SSRL NUBS U R T3H SUCKZ0RS!!?>!?!". And obviously they aren't going to say "SSRL sucks" because they are a part of it.

As has been said multiple times, anyone who isnt in SSRL should refrain from making comments like this. Without giving anything away, you are wrong.

From: 3Garrett3
I'm not that dumb to assume that. But I know based on past knowledge and the posts made here who is likely to be ssrl.

Obviously you dont.

I can guess most of the SSRL just because… They're easy to guess.

From: R0b0t1
I can guess most of the SSRL just because… They're easy to guess.

I wouldn't say that…

Depends if you want to pay attention.

Originally Posted by 3Garrett3
At the first part. Yes. It is smart to avoid the debates. I can 100% gaurantee that being in a debate hating on the admins makes their opinion of you go down. They probably think the same of everyone who is criticizing them.

The generalization is definitely true. The only people likely to like the *secret* rank are those who are in it, and get the benefit. I for one don't really care that SSRL is around. The secret member thing is the stupid part. I think that if everyone went around with *SSRL Member* in their name instead of *SRL Member* then it wouldnt make a big difference. What is the reasoning behind keeping the members secret? It wouldn't hurt my feelings either way knowing who is and isn't. I know I'm not, and it wouldn't bother me at all knowing that other people are ranked higher than I am. I could probably guess some people who are SSRL just by their skill and maturity, and i'm sure there wouldn't be too many suprises if a members list was brought out for SSRL.

Theres a secret rank?

From: djcheater
Theres a secret rank?

Yes, but it's not important.

From: 3Garrett3
The generalization is definitely true. The only people likely to like the *secret* rank are those who are in it, and get the benefit. I for one don't really care that SSRL is around. The secret member thing is the stupid part. I think that if everyone went around with *SSRL Member* in their name instead of *SRL Member* then it wouldnt make a big difference. What is the reasoning behind keeping the members secret? It wouldn't hurt my feelings either way knowing who is and isn't. I know I'm not, and it wouldn't bother me at all knowing that other people are ranked higher than I am. I could probably guess some people who are SSRL just by their skill and maturity, and i'm sure there wouldn't be too many suprises if a members list was brought out for SSRL.

Most people would ask for it, be arrogant once they got it, or rage for not being in it. That's why they do this (well, that's why I think they do :p).

I understand your reasoning, ian. I would like to have a mod/admin clarify it for me though…

Sorry for semi-raging to everyone the other couple days too. I tried my hardest not to, but 4 hours of sleep and then a shitty 8.5 hour long work day do things to you. I will try to keep on track now.

The main reason the SSRL member are secret, is because all the SSRL members are suggested and polled by other SSRL members, not only the SRL Staff.
If all the SSRL members would be publicly known, people would annoy them to ask if they can be polled and/or suggested.

This is in my opinion the main reason SSRL is secret.

Are we really that immature? :\

I guess when I think about it, there are many people who are that immature. I never thought of it that way, and I thank you Wizzup for bringing to my attention the immaturity and selfish nature of our forums ;) (Half sarcasm)

But really. It does make sense, and I thank you for taking the time to explain it to me, to end my confusion :)

From: 3Garrett3
Are we really that immature? :\

I guess when I think about it, there are many people who are that immature. I never thought of it that way, and I thank you Wizzup for bringing to my attention the immaturity and selfish nature of our forums ;) (Half sarcasm)

But really. It does make sense, and I thank you for taking the time to explain it to me, to end my confusion :)

I don't really like to keep it a secret, and I do see how annoying secrets can be.

The other reason it isn't public, is because it would only increase the gap (if any) between SRL Members, and SSRL Members, IMO.
On the other hand, making the ranks public would probably get rid of all the whining (excuse the word) about SSRL, but I believe that the advantages of keeping SSRL secret slightly outmatch the disadvantages.

From: Wizzup?
The main reason the SSRL member are secret, is because all the SSRL members are suggested and polled by other SSRL members, not only the SRL Staff.
If all the SSRL members would be publicly known, people would annoy them to ask if they can be polled and/or suggested.

This is in my opinion the main reason SSRL is secret.

I didn't know they were selected by other SSRL members. In that case, I think that it should stay a secret. (Doesn't make too much of a difference anyways). So the process is someone suggests another member, and then a poll similar to SRL member apps?

Alright, here's the deal with secrets:
If you know them, you want know no one else to know. If you don't you will kill to know.

If you know the secret you would want to keep it secret, and if don't you want secrets to go away.

From: MylesMadness
Alright, here's the deal with secrets:
If you know them, you want know no one else to know. If you don't you will kill to know.

If you know the secret you would want to keep it secret, and if don't you want secrets to go away.

Don't say that. Not everyone is the same. A lot of people aren't like that. Take Kyle, for example. He knew the secret and told me about it and now I know and I probably lost any chance I had to be a part of that secret thanks to his immaturity. So again, don't generalize all people in the same group.

From: Griff721
I didn't know they were selected by other SSRL members. In that case, I think that it should stay a secret. (Doesn't make too much of a difference anyways). So the process is someone suggests another member, and then a poll similar to SRL member apps?

Yes, but more strict, generally.

From: ian.
Don't say that. Not everyone is the same. A lot of people aren't like that. Take Kyle, for example. He knew the secret and told me about it and now I know and I probably lost any chance I had to be a part of that secret thanks to his immaturity. So again, don't generalize all people in the same group.

Its human nature to want to know as much as possible. Just saying

From: MylesMadness
Its human nature to want to know as much as possible. Just saying

Then your post contradicts itself. Most people I know want to figure out things about life and other people. What better way to see there emotions other than to tell them things they aren't supposed to know? :/ Also, if we never told secrets and just kept to ourselves, we wouldn't gain any knowledge. You're quite contradictory.

Back on topic mates! Let's get hating those admins!

~RM

One admin that can have no rants is Flyboy, because he not even remotely active… Really, he hasn't even logged on since 08, let alone did something…

From: MylesMadness
One admin that can take no rant is Flyboy, because he not even remotely active… Really, he hasn't even logged on since 08, let alone did something…

Cool story, Bro.

I think you should keep up the good work. :) I can't think of anything that I'd want changed.

From: Rasta Magician
Back on topic mates! Let's get hating those admins!

~RM

Fine. I will hate more people..

You're a poop face

From: MylesMadness
One admin that can have no rants is Flyboy, because he not even remotely active… Really, he hasn't even logged on since 08, let alone did something…

I can rant against him for never logging in, can't I?

From: senrath
I can rant against him for never logging in, can't I?

Loopholes :p

I'm going to reply here because RM told me to.

Point 1 - Didnt reply to my pm inquiring about my warning :(
Point 2 - 1, 2, 3. 3 spams by staff in a single thread. The thread where I recieved a warning for the following reason.

From: RM

Reason:
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Spam

I don't really think this infraction needs an explanation. Please avoid spamming.

~RM

My post?

From: 3Garrett3

I have a qtuote by yoho in my sig!

Yes, very much spam, very much intoxicated posting. I am not fighting my warning, I clearly deserved it. I am mentioning that 2 staff members posted needless spam as well, and yet I was the one warned for spamming.

Point 3 - Just for the fun of it, bringing to the attention of RM his multiple recent one word posts.

1
2
3
4

Now, I realize that these may be in a context of some sort, but most of the time, if all you have is one word to say, I doubt it is really needed.

Once again. I am not fighting my warning, or saying that I haven't ever spammed. I know I have, and I know that I haven't recieved a warning before. What I am asking for is consistancy in the way that warnings are given. Either give all spammers/rule breakers (including staff) a warning or infraction based on the rule broken, or give no spammers/rule breakers a warning or infraction. It's simple.

argghh that Rasta Magician ¿&#654;&#477;1&#633;&#592;&#623; qoq no&#654; &#477;&#633;&#592;

From: 3Garrett3
I'm going to reply here because RM told me to.

Point 1 - Didnt reply to my pm inquiring about my warning :(
Point 2 - 1, 2, 3. 3 spams by staff in a single thread. The thread where I recieved a warning for the following reason.


My post?



Yes, very much spam, very much intoxicated posting. I am not fighting my warning, I clearly deserved it. I am mentioning that 2 staff members posted needless spam as well, and yet I was the one warned for spamming.

Point 3 - Just for the fun of it, bringing to the attention of RM his multiple recent one word posts.

1
2
3
4

Now, I realize that these may be in a context of some sort, but most of the time, if all you have is one word to say, I doubt it is really needed.

Once again. I am not fighting my warning, or saying that I haven't ever spammed. I know I have, and I know that I haven't recieved a warning before. What I am asking for is consistancy in the way that warnings are given. Either give all spammers/rule breakers (including staff) a warning or infraction based on the rule broken, or give no spammers/rule breakers a warning or infraction. It's simple.

Well, those links really do take things out of context.

1 - Somebody had duped my account name and claimed i was leaving SRL. My post was to show that it was a fake account and that i have no intentions whatsoever of leaving. As you can see from the latter posts in that thread, had i not posted, people would actually have believed it.

From: R1ch
I thought Zeph and RM were going :o It was Ian I'm guessing. Can anyone tell us what's happening?

2 - It's a celebrations thread. What else would you expect me to say? "Oh, congratulations on the cup i just granted you, glad you noticed it and made you happy." ?

3 - After a considerable amount of work from the staff we opened up a new section in SRL Members, SRL Merch. I had just given it the last touches and made an announcement. Was there any need to write it all out again? I guess I could've just simply wroten "Closed."

4 - Errr… yeah.

I find it fairly normal for a staff member to make short posts when there is no need for a longer one. Would you be able to see all of my posts, you'd realize that about 1k of them would be "Done. ~RM" in reported posts section and "Closed. ~RM" around the forums.

As for consistency, it is hard to choose how to go about it. Would you infract a moderator for posting "Closed." since it's just one word?

The reason I gave you a warning is because you just simply said "i have a quote by him in my sig". I might have been too harsh at the time (I do recognize it) but i see no need to reverse that warning as it does not affect your forum experience in any way, and you yourself agreed that it could be seen as spam. The others were actually calling out greetings to Yohojo, and I *guess* this might've been you're intention and that I simply misread it at the time.

The warning has nonetheless been reversed. If there is anything else you'd like to point out, please do.

~RM

I want to see the staff post more scripts! Barely any of them post scripts, except Rasta <3, and maybe wizzup?, but i don't see him anymore :(.

Edit: But besides that, I <3 all the staff members, and think they're doing a splendid job.

From: Rasta Magician
<snip>
The warning has nonetheless been reversed. If there is anything else you'd like to point out, please do.

~RM

I realize that the posts were in context at some point, but I made an honest attempt to be in context. I was not worried with the warning at all, I was more bothered by the fact that it was obvious the 3 spam posts (I pointed them out but you didn't comment on them) were not warned before.

I had nothing wrong with the warning, and was not appealing it. I accepted it and have no problems getting it.

From: Smarter Child
I want to see the staff post more scripts!

The staff have real lives to deal with :eek: and a forum to run, so making scripts probably is top on their list of priorities.

Richard.

From: 3Garrett3
I realize that the posts were in context at some point, but I made an honest attempt to be in context. I was not worried with the warning at all, I was more bothered by the fact that it was obvious the 3 spam posts (I pointed them out but you didn't comment on them) were not warned before.

I had nothing wrong with the warning, and was not appealing it. I accepted it and have no problems getting it.

We try to judge every one as equals. You must know that your warning would most likely have been reversed even without your "rant" ;)

From: nielsie95
We try to judge every one as equals. You must know that your warning would most likely have been reversed even without your "rant" ;)

Haha. I didn't say that I wanted rid of it. I would accept having it or not having it.

There is a person who goes around looking at every single warning going "Hmm.. nah, not really a warning" or "yes, that is a warning"? :eek:

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46152

Contrary to Hobbit's thread, I have seen a very surprising amount of cursing from some of the moderators and developers. Since this thread says to name names, a couple people I noticed are Markus and The Claw.

Now, you would think that the higher up the ranks you are, the more you should be abiding by the rules to set a good example? I don't curse for many reasons (not for religious reasons, just ethics), but why can't I swear if staff+ can?

Obviously since you guys write and enforce the rules, you are allowed to do whatever you want. I just thought you would try to set a better example then this.

"do as I say, not as I do"

Staff do not care if you swear, as I have seen. They just do not want you having every post saying "LOL FUCKING SHIT I LOVE THIS DAMN SCRIPT", etc…. "bad words" are often very useful and appropriate to use at the right times, not abused as modern culture has them.

From: 3Garrett3
Haha. I didn't say that I wanted rid of it. I would accept having it or not having it.

There is a person who goes around looking at every single warning going "Hmm.. nah, not really a warning" or "yes, that is a warning"? :eek:

Sort of, whenever someone gets a warning/infraction a thread gets made and people read them, or, someone sees the red/yellow icon in your post and thinks "wtf". I was thinking of contesting your warning cause I thought it was an infraction at first.

Whats offensive about swear words anyway? They are just a way of conveying strong emotions quicker and easier - for example "i would really really really appreciate it if you left this thread" as opposed to "get the fuck out", the latter gets the message across more effectively. The whole concept of "bad" and "swear" words seems extremely abitrary and sort of "backwards" in the evolution of communication, if youre going to ban swear words then what about words like "love" and "hate"? They convey strong emotions and can be used as insults too.

From: The Claw
Sort of, whenever someone gets a warning/infraction a thread gets made and people read them, or, someone sees the red/yellow icon in your post and thinks "wtf". I was thinking of contesting your warning cause I thought it was an infraction at first.

Whats offensive about swear words anyway? They are just a way of conveying strong emotions quicker and easier - for example "i would really really really appreciate it if you left this thread" as opposed to "get the fuck out", the latter gets the message across more effectively. The whole concept of "bad" and "swear" words seems extremely abitrary and sort of "backwards" in the evolution of communication, if youre going to ban swear words then what about words like "love" and "hate"? They convey strong emotions and can be used as insults too.

I really don't have a huge problem with swearing on the forums. Hobbit made a thread saying they are going to be more strict on it, but you guys are still allowed to? Again, it's a "do as I say, not as I do", which isn't right in my opinion.

Honestly not all of us agree with Hobbit's personal views on swearing. I am fine with swearing the forums as long as its not directly insulting someone, in which case I wouldn't care about their choice of vocabulary….

Ok, I didn't know that it was still up for debate.

From: JAD
Ok, I didn't know that it was still up for debate.

It never was, really.
The rule has never changed.
It is the same rule that Fakawi put up.
I merely made the threads to try to reinforce it.

From: Hobbit
It never was, really.
The rule has never changed.
It is the same rule that Fakawi put up.
I merely made the threads to try to reinforce it.

Well it seems to be up for debate based on what has been said above. That was the point of my post. Why is the staff not setting a good example to follow the rules?

Mutual disagreement which we mostly keep out of public.

From: The Claw
Whats offensive about swear words anyway? They are just a way of conveying strong emotions quicker and easier - for example "i would really really really appreciate it if you left this thread" as opposed to "get the fuck out", the latter gets the message across more effectively.

But all the swear words have been so overused that they hold almost no meaning at all. Honestly I would probably respond to the first one rather than the latter statement because people use those words in too many situations that don't need them. Basically, I don't think that swear words convey much emotion nowadays because people use them too flippantly.

So, nice weather fuck we're having today, damn, yes? I am most bitchingly here to agree with you bastards.

Most fucking curse words don't – no matter how much you could want it, damn it – don't really hold their shit these days. I could walk into a god damn church and ask the pastor about the fucking weather, and unless it was some tight-assed protestant (or w/e) sect he'd reply calmly to my bitchin' tongue (language).

The staff don't give out as much fun sexy things as they used to.

Zeph stopped putting out… :duh:

Wizzup gave me and Laur3n's a warning for repping before he posted a thread which said he would only give them out after the thread was made. He said it was "bad luck" that we got them. What a great way to run a forum!

From: R1ch
Wizzup gave me and Laur3n's a warning for repping before he posted a thread which said he would only give them out after the thread was made. He said it was "bad luck" that we got them. What a great way to run a forum!

That "bad luck" argument is stupid. You were just unlucky that you got caught, that's it.

If you're driving on the highway and everybody is doing 20 over the speed limit, and a cop pulls you over and writes you a ticket. Do you complain "Everybody else was doing it too!" (well, you probably would..). The cop can't stop everyone, and the staff cannot infract everyone.

Get over it. It's a warning..

Erm…don't tell me to get over it. I thought it was unfair, so I posted it here. Is that okay with you?

From: R1ch
Erm…don't tell me to get over it. I thought it was unfair, so I posted it here. Is that okay with you?

You know where the 'X' is.

From: R1ch
Wizzup gave me and Laur3n's a warning for repping before he posted a thread which said he would only give them out after the thread was made. He said it was "bad luck" that we got them. What a great way to run a forum!

If you don't stop whining any time soon I'll turn it into a ban. I gave you multiple reasons in the other thread.
YOU were spamming rep. YOU were therefore doing idiotic stuff. YOU are guilty. YOU didn't go by the rules.

YOU have a warning.

Wizzup?, I believe this thread is for ranting about the staff, and that's what I'm doing. Please, let me get my opinions across, and don't just throw them away this time.

Laur3n's and I were not the only one's doing it.

You claimed no warnings/infractions would be handed out before the thread was made.

I received loads of rep, but gave away only a few. Is receiving rep an offense?

Also, in the other thread, you didn't answer on of my questions:

When was the rep rule introduced?

Before you ban me, look at the title of the thread. That is what I am doing.

From: R1ch
Wizzup?, I believe this thread is for ranting about the staff, and that's what I'm doing. Please, let me get my opinions across, and don't just throw them away this time.

Laur3n's and I were not the only one's doing it.

You claimed no warnings/infractions would be handed out before the thread was made.

I received loads of rep, but gave away only a few. Is receiving rep an offense?

Also, in the other thread, you didn't answer on of my questions:


Before you ban me, look at the title of the thread. That is what I am doing.

So that means I am not allowed to rant over the stupidity of some users?


Received loads of rep, for good reasons…?

Sabzi R1ch 06:32, 28th Sep 2009 1 Random rep time! - Sabzi [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Brain R1ch 13:31, 28th Sep 2009 4 holy crap! random rep?! -Brain [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
NaumanAkhlaQ R1ch 05:08, 1st Oct 2009 11 GJ! [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Brain R1ch 15:07, 4th Oct 2009 4 Oh dear, random rep -Brain [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
rogeruk R1ch 20:41, 4th Oct 2009 4 2 Balls are Better than 1! - Rogeruk! [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Simtoon R1ch 20:52, 4th Oct 2009 5 <3 Rep [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Main_Ftw R1ch 21:42, 4th Oct 2009 4 Main Ftw Random Ball [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Kave R1ch 21:44, 4th Oct 2009 3 BOOST YOUR BALLZ -Kave [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Zyt3x R1ch 01:54, 5th Oct 2009 6 GRats :D - Zyt3x [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Laur&#8364;ns R1ch 03:48, 5th Oct 2009 5 Repped jic someone decides to derep. ~Laurens [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Harry R1ch 04:02, 5th Oct 2009 -6 I love you XD [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
MylesMadness R1ch 04:10, 5th Oct 2009 5 Closer the a werid number of balls [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
Main_Ftw R1ch 07:06, 5th Oct 2009 4 Boosted your ball at too! Main Ftw [Post] [Edit] [Delete]

No, I didn't cut out a single one from the list.

EDIT:

And some rep you gave: (I didn't cut in it either)

R1ch rogeruk 20:39, 4th Oct 2009 5 Random rep+ Richard. [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch TRiLeZ 01:34, 5th Oct 2009 5 Rep to help you along :p Richard. [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch MylesMadness 04:05, 5th Oct 2009 5 Add to rep Richard. [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Sabzi 00:22, 6th Oct 2009 5 2 balls! [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Heavenzeyez1 00:42, 6th Oct 2009 5 Rep party! - Richard [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch ZephyrsFury 00:42, 6th Oct 2009 5 Rep party! - Richard [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Zyt3x 00:43, 6th Oct 2009 5 Rep party! - Richard [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch tico2 00:49, 6th Oct 2009 5 WOOOOOOOOOOO! Richard. [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Hermen 01:10, 6th Oct 2009 -2 NO! [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Sabzi 01:10, 6th Oct 2009 5 hi [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Heavenzeyez1 01:11, 6th Oct 2009 5 woo [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Laur&#8364;ns 02:48, 6th Oct 2009 5 Gratz! Richard. [Post] [Edit] [Delete]
R1ch Main_Ftw 06:42, 6th Oct 2009 -2 No! :p [Post] [Edit] [Delete]

I can see you don't hand out a lot of rep…

From: R1ch
Erm…don't tell me to get over it. I thought it was unfair, so I posted it here. Is that okay with you?

Rich you know you like my best mate here but…
He is only telling you to get over it because you have posted multiple times about it.
It is an infraction, it doesnt matter.
If it was a ban I could see where you were coming from.
Read JAD's example it is good.
So you would feel better if your friends here got infractions aswell?
I know I wouldn't.

T~M

Infractions are like STDs, as long as you don't get too many you are all good.

From: Wizzup?
If you don't stop whining any time soon I'll turn it into a ban. I gave you multiple reasons in the other thread.
YOU were spamming rep. YOU were therefore doing idiotic stuff. YOU are guilty. YOU didn't go by the rules.

YOU have a warning.

How can you ban him when this section is specifically for ranting about the staff?

YOU are annoying when you bold and CAPS important words in EVERY post! Don't do it

From: Wizzup?
So that means I am not allowed to rant over the stupidity of some users?

From: Markus

• This is ranting against the staff, not other people.

I was also one who got an infraction, and I don't think it is fair also, as you said that infractions will not be given for actions before this post. Lies?

From: bionicle1800
I was also one who got an infraction, and I don't think it is fair also, as you said that infractions will not be given for actions before this post. Lies?

Wizzup, you lose, users win :)

Does the staff have to be fair? Maybe it was bugging him too much so he just infracted you. Get over it.

[QUOTE=Camaro';644733]How can you ban him when this section is specifically for ranting about the staff?

YOU are annoying when you [B]bold [/B]and CAPS important words in [B]EVERY[/B] post! Don't do it

Well, wizzup's trying to get a point across. HE wants to highlight key information to make it stand out. But w/e your opinion :)

From: bionicle1800
I was also one who got an infraction, and I don't think it is fair also, as you said that infractions will not be given for actions before this post. Lies?

Okay, umm. Read the first post. Again:

This is ranting against the staff, not other people.

That means the staff can not rant at you? It just means YOU can only rant at STAFF not OTHER MEMBERS. :)


[QUOTE=Camaro';644750]Wizzup, you lose, users win :)[/QUOTE]

Oh, how's this a war?

From: mormonman
Does the staff have to be fair? Maybe it was bugging him too much so he just infracted you. Get over it.

Yes, they have to be fair, if they said

"Don't fucking curse on these forums"

That's hypocritical , (Wizzup)NO one likes a hypocrite :)
People would get angry, fast if all the staff starting being hypocritical >.>

Who says this is a war Naum, i'm RANTING, i have every right too :)(on this thread)

From: NaumanAkhlaQ
Okay, umm. Read the first post. Again:

That means the staff can not rant at you? It just means YOU can only rant at STAFF not OTHER MEMBERS. :)

touché :p

[QUOTE=Camaro';644750]Wizzup, you lose, users win :)[/QUOTE]Wow, I hope he infracts you again so you get banned

I think some people here need to grow up a bit.

A warning is just that, if they gave you an infraction, its still just that, an infraction.

Look at it realisticly, this means NOTHING.

Also, I'm pleased with the posts of people about wizzup's use of bold words and capitals. Its a shame to see that people can be immature and poke at anything..

~n2

From: MylesMadness
Wow, I hope he infracts you again so you get banned

Fucking wizzup's pet, its time for you to get off the computer and lose some weight kid.

+ Never been infracted

Nava2, its just something that annoys me, it does not necessarily have to annoy you. So i commented about it , whats the big deal?

ugh..that was a bit harsh camaro'.
the fact isnt about the infraction itself nava, its the action. he said he wouldn't, but he did. im not mad i got the infraction, im mad that he gave it after he said he wouldnt.

[QUOTE=Camaro';644768]Fucking wizzup's pet, its time for you to get off the computer and lose some weight kid.

+ Never been infracted

Nava2, its just something that annoys me, it does not necessarily have to annoy you. So i commented about it , whats the big deal?Wow you can make fat jokes like I've never heard those. Why would I be insulted about what someone I've never met thinks?

From: MylesMadness
Wow you can make fat jokes like I've never heard those. Why would I be insulted about what someone I've never met thinks?

Not just me :duh:

Next time, please dont be saying you want me banned protecting wizzup like his pet. Thanks.

Am I the only one who is laughing about how someone much older than me has to resort to fat jokes to make himself look cool. Grow up.

From: bionicle1800
I was also one who got an infraction, and I don't think it is fair also, as you said that infractions will not be given for actions before this post. Lies?

Yes, you do lie. You did not receive and infraction, you merely received a warning. Warnings are worth no points, get over it.

[QUOTE=Camaro';644754]Yes, they have to be fair, if they said

"Don't fucking curse on these forums"

That's hypocritical , (Wizzup)NO one likes a hypocrite :)
People would get angry, fast if all the staff starting being hypocritical >.>

Who says this is a war Naum, i'm RANTING, i have every right too :)(on this thread)

No what you are doing is spamming, you never have the right to spam. Also keep in mind, it is technically not a right for you to rant against us. We gave you this thread, we can take it away.

[QUOTE=Camaro';644768]Fucking wizzup's pet, its time for you to get off the computer and lose some weight kid.

+ Never been infracted

Nava2, its just something that annoys me, it does not necessarily have to annoy you. So i commented about it , whats the big deal?

Oh look now you've gone beyond spamming. That first line is COMPLETELY unacceptable. Myles if a great guy and doesn't deserve to have that sort of crap said about him by people like you. You need to take your head out of your ass and take a look at the real world.

[QUOTE=Camaro';644754]Yes, they have to be fair, if they said

"Don't fucking curse on these forums"

That's hypocritical , (Wizzup)NO one likes a hypocrite :)
People would get angry, fast if all the staff starting being hypocritical >.>

Who says this is a war Naum, i'm RANTING, i have every right too :)(on this thread)

How is Wizzup being hypocritical in this situation at all?

It's not like he gave Richard a warning for random repping but gave out random rep himself..

That makes no sense.

:duh:


My head is now out of my ass >.>

Hope You're happy now Camaro, you just bought yourself an infraction and a 5 day ban with your recent completely unacceptable posts. Enjoy.

Wow Camaro. I think I just lost all respect for you.

EDIT: Good Call ^

[QUOTE=Camaro';644733]How can you ban him when this section is specifically for ranting about the staff?

YOU are annoying when you [B]bold [/B]and CAPS important words in [B]EVERY[/B] post! Don't do it

There's a difference between ranting and being ignorant. He is the latter at the moment.

From: bionicle1800
I was also one who got an infraction, and I don't think it is fair also, as you said that infractions will not be given for actions before this post. Lies?

I hope that "Lies?" was meant to be comical.

[QUOTE=Camaro';644750]Wizzup, you lose, users win :)[/QUOTE]

Wait… what?

[QUOTE=Camaro';644754]Yes, they have to be fair, if they said

"Don't fucking curse on these forums"

That's hypocritical , (Wizzup)NO one likes a hypocrite :)
People would get angry, fast if all the staff starting being hypocritical >.>

Who says this is a war Naum, i'm RANTING, i have every right too :)(on this thread)

No, you don't have "every" right to rant. This thread is here for rants, but for rants that are given thought, and hopefully provide a solution too.
Once again, "Wizzup, you lose, users win" … ?

[QUOTE=Camaro';644768]Fucking wizzup's pet, its time for you to get off the computer and lose some weight kid.

+ Never been infracted

Nava2, its just something that annoys me, it does not necessarily have to annoy you. So i commented about it , whats the big deal?

Well, it seems like you got your first infraction. When I tried to infract the post, it said "this post already received an infraction." Lucky you, as I was going to make it a more harsh one.


That being said…


I like this thread; but it wasn't designed for flame wars like these. I'm not going to close it, but I do hope on rants that have been given more thought.

[QUOTE=Camaro';644754]Yes, they have to be fair, if they said

"Don't fucking curse on these forums"

That's hypocritical , (Wizzup)NO one likes a hypocrite :)
People would get angry, fast if all the staff starting being hypocritical >.>

Who says this is a war Naum, i'm RANTING, i have every right too :)(on this thread)


What?? Ofc they don't have to be fair its there forums…

From: Wizzup?
So that means I am not allowed to rant over the stupidity of some users?


Received loads of rep, for good reasons…?



No, I didn't cut out a single one from the list.

EDIT:

And some rep you gave: (I didn't cut in it either)



I can see you don't hand out a lot of rep…

Okay…I honestly didn't realize I had given out so much, so I will apologize for that. However, I still stand by my opinion that the warning was unfair, as per reasons I've already stated. But in the end, you're in charge.

Thanks,
Richard.

<3 Thanks R1ch for ending that, very mature of you! :D

Wow, can yall feel the love too?

I think that the Admins made a wise choice for a temp banning Camaro`. How he was acting toward other members was just down right disgraceful. I think it's funny how people get so worked up over a warning or an infraction. To be honest, it's just a forum and you will survive, get over it and change your diaper. That's all I'm going to say on this subject.

Admins +1

~Camo

Just my $.02… I'll chance to say, I am probably one of the most Loved and most Hated people on these forums…for the new people, or the old that don't know…My main contribution to these forums, is trying to keep it organized (moving misplaced posts,etc.), moderating posts and trying to keep the peace between other members (including staff;)), trying to insure that all our hard work here is appreciated (making sure that people make an effort to contribute, and not just leech)….for the most part, Love and Gratitude is expressed to me for my time spent doing this….however, the people on the other end of the Ban Stick ,Infractions, or any other number of ways I see fit to deal with the problem, are not always as understanding:rolleyes:….From extremes of people trusting me with their private scripts to test, wanting to give me donations in the form of RS gps or items, or private messages of Thanks…….to personal attacks of my character, RL threats of bodily harm, malicious attempts of infecting me with virus', or trying to hack my forum account to undo changes or inflict havoc on other users…..In cases like this, it's good to know that I have other people that look out for me, and I do the same for them….

I take it all with a grain of salt…in the end, it's just a video game, this is supposed to be a source of enjoyment, It's nice to know my time spent here is appreciated, but I know, that if I start letting the negative things bother me, the remedy is as simple as shutting off the computer and going outside in the Real World to get some fresh air….

"Treat other people like you would want to be treated" !

~RAM

From: RAM
I take it all with a grain of salt…in the end, it's just a video game, this is supposed to be a source of enjoyment, It's nice to know my time spent here is appreciated, but I know, that if I start letting the negative things bother me, the remedy is as simple as shutting off the computer and going outside in the Real World to get some fresh air….

"Treat other people like you would want to be treated" !

~RAM

What is this real world you speak of?

Ps- More sexual favours.
PPs- You suck
PPPs- Love you.

From: Nava2
I think some people here need to grow up a bit.

A warning is just that, if they gave you an infraction, its still just that, an infraction.

Look at it realisticly, this means NOTHING.

Also, I'm pleased with the posts of people about wizzup's use of bold words and capitals. Its a shame to see that people can be immature and poke at anything..

~n2

Warning != infraction ? :s

Camaro, you went a bit too far, but I shouldn't say that.

From: 3Garrett3

PPs

HillBilly Voice: "Haw you said pee pees!"

Main problem with the staff is they think they are more qualified just because they has interwebz status.

this is a rant to the setup, not exactly the staff…
What I don't like is that you literally have to be smart and able to script to become a member, as ive been here for 2 years and am still a junior member. (I've tried scripting but I failed pretty badly) I've tested scripts over and over and have helped scripts become what they are today (R.I.P tzhaar cave runner).

Well what I am trying to get at is; I believe you should become a member for the type of person you are and how you've helped others out, not just on if you make a script that there is already better versions of anyway. Please read my post seirously.

Many Thanks, Sgt Soul

EDIT: let me be more specific 2 years and a half? now will you stop ranting towards me?

From: sgt soul
this is a rant to the setup, not exactly the staff…
What I don't like is that you literally have to be smart and able to script to become a member, as ive been here for 2 years and am still a junior member. (I've tried scripting but I failed pretty badly) I've tested scripts over and over and have helped scripts become what they are today (R.I.P tzhaar cave runner).

Well what I am trying to get at is; I believe you should become a member for the type of person you are and how you've helped others out, not just on if you make a script that there is already better versions of anyway. Please read my post seirously.

Many Thanks, Sgt Soul

Well, I'm here as proof, that people are promoted for things other than scripting abilities, but it takes more than leaving just 1 progress report in the last year ;) …When I "test" people's scripts, I sit down with a pad of paper and pencil, and list every aspect, pro and con that I am able to see, and post that along with my progress report. It also helps if you are more active, then you better your chances of someone noticing you. although i don't see any negative posts, I don't see any where you went above and beyond to try and help your fellow community members ? Not good at scripting, try writing tutorials ?

Best of Luck.

~RAM

From: sgt soul
this is a rant to the setup, not exactly the staff…
What I don't like is that you literally have to be smart and able to script to become a member, as ive been here for 2 years and am still a junior member. (I've tried scripting but I failed pretty badly) I've tested scripts over and over and have helped scripts become what they are today (R.I.P tzhaar cave runner).

Well what I am trying to get at is; I believe you should become a member for the type of person you are and how you've helped others out, not just on if you make a script that there is already better versions of anyway. Please read my post seirously.

Many Thanks, Sgt Soul

Silly idea IMHO.
SRL Members is for SCRIPTERS.
If you help lots and stuff you get the cup SRL Helper.
If you test lots and stuff you get the cup SRL Tester.
If you post lots of useful stuff you get the cup SRL Useful Poster.

T~M

From: The Man
Silly idea IMHO.
SRL Members is for SCRIPTERS.
If you help lots and stuff you get the cup SRL Helper.
If you test lots and stuff you get the cup SRL Tester.
If you post lots of useful stuff you get the cup SRL Useful Poster.

T~M

I has those :)

@RAM. Even though I really don't know you since you were gone when I got here, you're my forum idol :P

@Sgt Soul. I've only been here a year and I don't recall seeing you really.

~Camo

From: Camo Developer
I has those :)

@RAM. Even though I really don't know you since you were gone when I got here, you're my forum idol :P

@Sgt Soul. I've only been here a year and I don't recall seeing you really.

~Camo

Gratz >.< I dont :P

T~M

Well trying to stand out too much is a bad thing I believe. You get to "ass lick" or be a real idiot.

Of course you can do really nice work !
Which usually never gets noticed, although its really great… Then someone else posts the exact same thing, but with some changes and becomes the most feedbacked work at SRL…

From: Dr D. Dervish
Well trying to stand out too much is a bad thing I believe. You get to "ass lick" or be a real idiot.

Of course you can do really nice work !
Which usually never gets noticed, although its really great… Then someone else posts the exact same thing, but with some changes and becomes the most feedbacked work at SRL…

<3 ur new siggy!

From: Dr D. Dervish
W
Which usually never gets noticed, although its really great… Then someone else posts the exact same thing, but with some changes and becomes the most feedbacked work at SRL…

I know raiwight?! I hat that so much! :D! Hate when it happens to me, feel bad when it happens to others!

From: RAM
Well, I'm here as proof, that people are promoted for things other than scripting abilities, but it takes more than leaving just 1 progress report in the last year ;) …When I "test" people's scripts, I sit down with a pad of paper and pencil, and list every aspect, pro and con that I am able to see, and post that along with my progress report. It also helps if you are more active, then you better your chances of someone noticing you. although i don't see any negative posts, I don't see any where you went above and beyond to try and help your fellow community members ? Not good at scripting, try writing tutorials ?

Best of Luck.

~RAM

btw I quit for like 2 years which is why I haven't really done much. and can I say, it was quite difficult to find the new website :S lol

Wait, you've been here for 2 years but you quit for 2 years also?

From: sgt soul

ive been here for 2 years and am still a junior member. I've tested scripts over and over and have helped scripts become what they are today

From: sgt soul

I quit for like 2 years which is why I haven't really done much

Two different stories bro, which ones the right one? You say you have done a lot but yet later say you didn't do much.

~Camo

From: Camo Developer
Wait, you've been here for 2 years but you quit for 2 years also?

Two different stories bro, which ones the right one? You say you have done a lot but yet later say you didn't do much.

~Camo

Owh cmon leave the guy alone. Just because someones here doesn't mean they HAVE to contribute, although its nice to :D. Remember its rant against staff, not other members! :D

From: Camo Developer
Wait, you've been here for 2 years but you quit for 2 years also?





Two different stories bro, which ones the right one? You say you have done a lot but yet later say you didn't do much.

~Camo

It's actually the same story. :)

I'm pissed at the staff for doing stupid shit like arranging some forums into alpha-order contrary to everyone else's previous satisfaction and proper brain function. It's now a pain in the ass to find the latest threads posted in and requires tons of page hoping to find something. Great idea bumping 4 year old threads to page 1 for beginning with the letter A.:f:

From: IceFire908
I'm pissed at the staff for doing stupid shit like arranging some forums into alpha-order contrary to everyone else's previous satisfaction and proper brain function. It's now a pain in the ass to find the latest threads posted in and requires tons of page hoping to find something. Great idea bumping 4 year old threads to page for beginning with the letter A.:f:

Um, you do know that you can change the order the threads appear in, right?

From: senrath
Um, you do know that you can change the order the threads appear in, right?

That's really besides the point…

All staff are fail except wizzup and hobbit

From: Bebe
All staff are fail except wizzup and hobbit

s/fail/win/

From: Bebe
All staff are fail except wizzup and hobbit

I wonder how the forum would run without WT-Fakawi and RAM :rolleyes:.

From: YoHoJo
Owh cmon leave the guy alone. Just because someones here doesn't mean they HAVE to contribute, although its nice to :D. Remember its rant against staff, not other members! :D

I know, I'm not saying he's a bad person for not contributing, just the fact that he said he has done a lot and turns around and says he hasn't. I wasn't trying to start anything, I can see why based on my posts. Sorry :/

~Camo

From: Dr D. Dervish
I wonder how the forum would run without WT-Fakawi and RAM :rolleyes:.

Like it has been doing for the last 6 months, I guess. In which both RAM and WT-Fakawi are/were (semi)absent.

I'm back, and just want to say a few things about what had happened earlier.

I'm sorry and this is 110% my fault

I had some serious IRL issues that day, i don't no why i was on srl, again this was all my fault for acting the way i did. The day of , i don't know if he said anything, but i immediately gave him an apology over msn(myles), which i have no idea if he accepted. I should be apologizing to all of you, every single one of you.

I acted WRONG, and thats just it, plain out wrong, rude, obnoxious, stubborn, childish , immature , Should i go on?

I hope you guys still have at least an ounce of respect for me :redface:

Summary ^:

I AM SORRY

Thanks,
~A.R

[QUOTE=Camaro';646689]I'm back, and just want to say a few things about what had happened earlier.

I'm sorry and this is 110% my fault

I had some serious IRL issues that day, i don't no why i was on srl, again this was all my fault for acting the way i did. The day of , i don't know if he said anything, but i immediately gave him an apology over msn(myles), which i have no idea if he accepted. I should be apologizing to all of you, every single one of you.

I acted WRONG, and thats just it, plain out wrong, rude, obnoxious, stubborn, childish , immature , Should i go on?

I hope you guys still have at least an ounce of respect for me :redface:

Summary ^:

I AM SORRY

Thanks,
~A.R

Wb :)

make yuor siggy like rainbow colored so it stands out more :p lol

From: bionicle1800
Wb :)

make yuor siggy like rainbow colored so it stands out more :p lol

Working on it now :)

[QUOTE=Camaro';646698]Working on it now :)[/QUOTE]

lol i was jk but OK :p

From: bionicle1800
lol i was jk but OK :p

Lol ,looks nicer now :)

I'm going to quote my self so its less hastle going between pages.

I'm back, and just want to say a few things about what had happened earlier.

I'm sorry and this is 110% my fault

I had some serious IRL issues that day, i don't no why i was on srl, again this was all my fault for acting the way i did. The day of , i don't know if he said anything, but i immediately gave him an apology over msn(myles), which i have no idea if he accepted. I should be apologizing to all of you, every single one of you.

I acted WRONG, and thats just it, plain out wrong, rude, obnoxious, stubborn, childish , immature , Should i go on?

I hope you guys still have at least an ounce of respect for me :redface:

Summary ^:

I AM SORRY

Thanks,
~A.R

[QUOTE=Camaro';646700]Lol ,looks nicer now :)[/QUOTE]

:drool: prettyyy

lol

Nice! Your guitar tutorial came out! Definitely going to read/watch or what ever it is :)

[QUOTE=Camaro';646706]Nice! Your guitar tutorial came out! Definitely going to read/watch or what ever it is :)[/QUOTE]

read yea.
its only half released, got 3 posts reserved for the rest :p

so far 25 pages in word thats up right now :blink: lol

From: Wizzup?
Like it has been doing for the last 6 months, I guess. In which both RAM and WT-Fakawi are/were (semi)absent.

If they never had been ? How would this community be ?

From: Bebe
All staff are fail except wizzup and hobbit

<3

From: Wizzup?
Like it has been doing for the last 6 months, I guess. In which both RAM and WT-Fakawi are/were (semi)absent.

+1 (I know how much you love those +1 posts ;))

From: Dr D. Dervish
If they never had been ? How would this community be ?

Probably about the same. We are perfectly capable of running the forums on our own, hence we were put in these positions.


@Camaro':
Apology accepted

From: Hobbit
<3



+1 (I know how much you love those +1 posts ;))



Probably about the same. We are perfectly capable of running the forums on our own, hence we were put in these positions.


@Camaro':
Apology accepted

<3 ;)

I believe in the saying
"Every body has a bad day"

Thanks :)

i shall bypass all the chatter here to rant that i think the admins could do a bit more to appease the crowds i guess. I cant find that thread, but it was created when the boards went back up after switching to villavu. It had all of the things people wanted back from the old forums. I know they all havent been back, or explained why they arent so. I for one would very much like to see sig limits back up. When i say "a bit" i do mean a bit though. Other than that, i think im good.

Oh, and i shall rant against the more staffly people who are annoying as hell when championing Linux. Just saying.

I want to rant that we don't have srl-forums.com.

Not a rant at all, just wondering if there are any plans on getting it back. I almost like villavu better though.

From: Dan Cardin
Oh, and i shall rant against the more staffly people who are annoying as hell when championing Linux. Just saying.

Who exactly?

His name starts with a W and ends with izzup?

[QUOTE=Camaro';644776]Not just me :duh:

Next time, please dont be saying you want me banned protecting wizzup like his pet. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Why do you have 2 accounts here @ SRL?

From: nielsie95
His name starts with a W and ends with izzup?

Wizzlybizzletizzup?

From: Bobarkinator
I want to rant that we don't have srl-forums.com.

Not a rant at all, just wondering if there are any plans on getting it back. I almost like villavu better though.

There are plans of getting it back. In fact, the plans were there right after the move.
However, Dankness owns the hostname, and he says he has pointed the srl-forums.com to villavu.com's IP.

Huh, it seems to be pointing to villavu.com now…
Then this should be possible. :)

EDIT:
Nope, Dankness missed a trailing 8…

From: IceFire908
I'm pissed at the staff for doing stupid shit like arranging some forums into alpha-order contrary to everyone else's previous satisfaction and proper brain function. It's now a pain in the ass to find the latest threads posted in and requires tons of page hoping to find something. Great idea bumping 4 year old threads to page 1 for beginning with the letter A.:f:

Would you mind specifying which ones are currently doing this? most likely this is just a staff-made-mistake while we set up different things around the forums.

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
Would you mind specifying which ones are currently doing this? most likely this is just a staff-made-mistake while we set up different things around the forums.

~RM

This section was and so was the entire tutorial section. Idk if it is now but..

From: IceFire908
This section was and so was the entire tutorial section. Idk if it is now but..

Still is grmbl. Someone fix it please?

From: nielsie95
His name starts with a W and ends with izzup?

He said multiple, thats why I was wondering… :P

From: Rasta Magician
Would you mind specifying which ones are currently doing this? most likely this is just a staff-made-mistake while we set up different things around the forums.

~RM

Poetry forum is alphebetical. Should be last post :)

I fixed the sorting in BBQ and Poetry :)

From: Nava2
He said multiple, thats why I was wondering… :P

Yakman maybe?

From: nielsie95
I fixed the sorting in BBQ and Poetry :)



Yakman maybe?

Wizzup, yakman, myself, mixster.. uhm.. no one else I can think of off the top of my head are real "Pro-linux".
(Although the following is improving! :D)

From: Wizzup?
Wizzlybizzletizzup?



There are plans of getting it back. In fact, the plans were there right after the move.
However, Dankness owns the hostname, and he says he has pointed the srl-forums.com to villavu.com's IP.

Huh, it seems to be pointing to villavu.com now…
Then this should be possible. :)

EDIT:
Nope, Dankness missed a trailing 8…

Ok thanks :)

Who are you? forum is sorted alphabetically.

Not any more :)

SRL staff still shit all over the runescape staff.

From: Johura
SRL staff still shit all over the runescape staff.

No, we have tea with them :)

~RM

Does Starblaster have more than one brother?

From: Wizzup?
Does Starblaster have more than one brother?

Sayyy what? :duh:

The staff are llamas. They're sleeping at the moment; don't disturb them.
On a more serious note, the staff are cool. Maybe they need to socialise more with new members.

– BP

From: Bad Processor
The staff are llamas. They're sleeping at the moment; don't disturb them.
On a more serious note, the staff are cool. Maybe they need to socialise more with new members.

– BP

I'm quite sociable!

Just not the most active currently.

From: Bad Processor
The staff are llamas. They're sleeping at the moment; don't disturb them.
On a more serious note, the staff are cool. Maybe they need to socialise more with new members.

– BP

It's actually a bad thing IMO if admins socialise too much; as their decisions should not be affected (a lot) by personal feelings they have towards certain members.

From: Wizzup?
It's actually a bad thing IMO if admins socialise too much; as their decisions should not be affected (a lot) by personal feelings they have towards certain members.

Good point but its still good to socialise

OnTopic: I think the staff is doing a great job >.>

From: Wizzup?
It's actually a bad thing IMO if admins socialise too much; as their decisions should not be affected (a lot) by personal feelings they have towards certain members.

That's what makes the difference between a good admin and a bad admin.

From: lordsaturn
That's what makes the difference between a good admin and a bad admin.

And which one would be which?

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
And which one would be which?

~RM

I think he meant that good admins don't make decisions on their feelings toward other members, so they can still socialize. That's my opinion anyways, even if it isn't what lordsaturn meant.

THe best admins are the ones who socialize alot, get to know their members, and members from other sites. They would then use the combined dicussions with admins, regular members, fans, protestors to help make the long dubbed "good decisions".

^ What's being said is the opposite, for some quite valid reasons. I don't understand your reasoning.

From: Wizzup?
It's actually a bad thing IMO if admins socialise too much; as their decisions should not be affected (a lot) by personal feelings they have towards certain members.

If they are swayed by emotion and not logic then perhaps they should not be admins in the first place and it reflects poor judgment on the other staff for ever electing them ;)

The best admins are the ones who sign in once or less a year. lol jokes <3

The best admins are hobbits