SRL Archive - Senior News and General

Felt this thread was needed since we haven't come to a consensus about what his punishment will be. Personally I say this should be his last chance and that we should go public with our findings.

Not perm ban yet. I want to see how he'd defend himself it this went public.

Release the public statement in the other thread, and give him a chance to post and defend himself.

Do not do anything of the sort until Wizzup is back

Edit:

What I don't quite understand is why people are so eager and ready in that thread to ban harry for being a little annoying. He has tons of energy and is very vocal and in my opinion has ADD. But yet some of you welcome password stealers and pixel whores with open arms…

From: Hobbit
But yet you all welcome password stealers and pixel whores with open arms…

I don't. I just had very little to no say in the matters.

My last post also sounds like I want him banned. I don't (yet?). I want to hear both sides.

From: bullzeye95
I don't. I just had very little to no say in the matters.

Thanks for pointing out that quote, corrected my statement.

i say two week ban with last chance.

~RM

WHY THE FUCK DO WE WANT TO BAN HARRY? That's my question.
I see evidence about multiple accounts, mass highlights etc, nothing much forum related, and really nothing that harms the forums.
As I said in da mod sectionz, just give him a 1 week slap in the face every once in a while, and he'll behave. Harry doesn't kill SRL.

Nope.

He's pretty obsessed with SRL (collects pictures of the people here and spends alot of time here) so I doubt he'd stay away even if he did get banned. He's just a pretty sad case IMO with all the attention whoring etc., but not sure if he deserves to get banned though, but voted yes as he's had his fair share of stupid stuff in the past.

Ban IRC?

From: bullzeye95
I don't. I just had very little to no say in the matters.

My last post also sounds like I want him banned. I don't (yet?). I want to hear both sides.

I don't think he deserves a permanent ban. In fact I feel thats far too extreme for Harryy. He does however need guidance; a short term ban combined with a public reprimand may do the trick.

Maybe also a injunction between Harry and Jason saying they cannot talk to eachother?

From: Hobbit
Maybe also a injunction between Harry and Jason saying they cannot talk to eachother?

Why do you think they don't want to talk to each other…?

From: Hobbit
Maybe also a injunction between Harry and Jason saying they cannot talk to eachother?

Just wondering how you would choose to enforce that? Jason sits over here, Harry sits over there? That'll work.

Do you really have a problem with me? And if so, why have you only made it known as of late?

From: Bam Bam
He does however need guidance;

We are in no way here to provide therapy.

I vote yes to perm ban him. I strongly dislike people who will push it all the way to the edge, just to see how far they can go.

From: Jason2gs
Just wondering how you would choose to enforce that? Jason sits over here, Harry sits over there? That'll work.

^Exactly

From: Jason2gs
Do you really have a problem with me? And if so, why have you only made it known as of late?

Calm down it was a joke =/

No and I told you that in the PM

More options would have been appreciated, mainly IRC perm/temp ban, forum perm or temp ban or no ban / just infraction. Think it's a bit much forcing people to either the black or white when most people want grey :)

Even if you perm ban him or temp ban him he WILL come back no matter what with another account or whatever… He is very skilled in masking himself.

From: Hobbit
He has tons of energy and is very vocal and in my opinion has ADD.

As stated we believe his has ADD and I agree. His addiction to SRL will not stop he loves SRL he will never leave no matter what you do to him.

I think the best way to handle him is to be calm to him and not confront him.

Alternative action is: (Extreme)
As I just talked to my friend who use to run 3 sites with huge forums.
If we do ban him it will take MANY bans on him this includes:

• Tons of bans on his accounts
• Deleting his posts constantly
• Closing his threads etc.
• Multiple IP bans on IRC
• 5 - 10 Mods vs 1 (harry) WILL stop him

Eventually with this tactic he will leave but it will take much effort on the mods in forums and in IRC. The bad part is we will lose a very addictive SRL member. There will also be much drama on the forums during this banning.

This is the extreme action but it is in the Mods/Admins power to do this.

(My friend has done this before, he also recommend some others if requested I'll post them)

Post them please :)

pixel whores with open arms…

Oi!

What happens on IRC shouldn't be relevant to the forums, forum staff doesn't seem to have powers on IRC, neither do rules of ethics apply to the staff on there, so unless Harry did something wrong on here, I stand for no.

Perhaps a one month, non-negotiable, ban from the forum and IRC. Ban his other forum account(s). Possibly reset his reputation on his main account for attempting to raise it via a side account?

Just throwing the ideas out there.

From: Freddy1990
What happens on IRC shouldn't be relevant to the forums

^ Thank you!

Starblaster had multiple accounts, yet he was not banned, I fail to see why the same shouldn't apply to Harry…

Harry has kind of been close to and has been banned before, suggesting that he's on his last chance or at least subject to harsher punishments for rule breaking.
Don't just compare multiple accounts vs multiple accounts. Also, if I remember correctly, SB was left unbanned so that he could explain his side of the story, but never did (not too sure on this bit though)?

From: Freddy1990
Starblaster had multiple accounts, yet he was not banned, I fail to see why the same shouldn't apply to Harry…

For the same reason kings and queens get away with murder and slaves dont

i have changed my mind and have voted no.

Harry is extremely active and dedicated. I think it is in our power to guide him to do useful things for the community.

If you look at him as a "resource" it is out fault it is being badly used. Our job is to use it well.

He has done many, many irc bots, he incorporated an irc bot into his script etc, etc.
Remote Control anyone? Script Stats? just a couple of ideas.

~RM

It shouldn't be up to the community to guide him. It shouldn't be up to anyone, especially after this long. I could understand a few PM's when he was new and would spam around a bit or something like that, but after being a member and, as you said, an active member, he should be able to tell how he should and should not act. He should be able to contribute rather than hinder. He should be able to see how to use himself to better the community. If he does not, then he is not a useful member of it.

From: mixster
It shouldn't be up to the community to guide him. It shouldn't be up to anyone, especially after this long. I could understand a few PM's when he was new and would spam around a bit or something like that, but after being a member and, as you said, an active member, he should be able to tell how he should and should not act. He should be able to contribute rather than hinder. He should be able to see how to use himself to better the community. If he does not, then he is not a useful member of it.

I'm mod and i get guidance. Hobbit is admin and he gets guidance, we've all been / are ssrl and we've all received guidance. Some of us are just younger, or not so bright, or too eager.

Harry is at most times an annoyance, but if you ever try asking for help from him, you'll see a different side. It's for all his eagerness that he tried to get into #ssrl. But we all are eager. We just manage to control it.

Don't you wish to see your ssrl app? or don't you think i want to see my mod poll? Or don't you think Nava wants to see his dev app? Of course we do. It's natural, we just manage to control it.

Guidance is just not something that stops after you reach a certain rank or age, you could still find an 80 year old in need of guidance.

~RM

Harry hasn't moved anywhere in the forum for a long time - he should be able to fill the role of a SRL Member fine. If he had recently become a member and so wasn't aware of what is expected of a SRL Member and the like, then I would agree that guidance would be the best method. However, at this point it seems a deterrent is what he needs.

It is not the responsibility of this forum to provide guidance…

From: Bobarkinator
It is not the responsibility of this forum to provide guidance…

Excuse me?

Guidance
Some More
and more...
not to forget
also


and countless pms etc. I just believe we are taking the wrong approach.

~RM

What approach should be taken then?
Tell him that he shouldn't have multiple accounts? I'm sure he knows it 100% by the fact that he denied it when The Claw bugged him about it on IRC. It's the same with everything else he's done - I fail to see how he thought a swastika avatar wouldn't end in disaster and the same with the flashing avatar. It seems like it's him pushing it. It wasn't enough to create a new account, but he then had to rep himself and make a couple of posts and leave a trail of breadcrumbs to it with the mudkips tagging.

From: Rasta Magician
Excuse me?

Guidance
Some More
and more...
not to forget
also


and countless pms etc. I just believe we are taking the wrong approach.

~RM

How is that guidance? Maybe we have separate definitions. I define guidance as guiding a person on how to act or what they next decision should be.

I believe that Harry should have already been shown how to act and knows how to act. I really don't feel like it would be my place, nor do I feel like it would be anyone's place on an online community, to talk to Harry tell him this is how to act.

From: Bobarkinator
How is that guidance? Maybe we have separate definitions. I define guidance as guiding a person on how to act or what they next decision should be.

I believe that Harry should have already been shown how to act and knows how to act. I really don't feel like it would be my place, nor do I feel like it would be anyone's place on an online community, to talk to Harry tell him this is how to act.

Second ;)