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This is a review of the evidence posted in the "Hy71194 - Suspicions, Possible Multiple Accounts, etc." thread in the same section. This is a draft of what may or may not be posted to the public SRL. You are to please read it, and post comments and/or suggestions on it.

The post, as it would appear in the public forum, begins here.

Dear SRL, the following post is intended to prove to you - the reader - that Hy71194/Harry:

Is guilty of owning a second account on this forum.
Is guilty of owning and operating multiple accounts on the IRC, separate from Hy71194.
Is suspect of numerous mass-highlighting attempts over time.
Is criminal of numerous acts of ban evasion, and other general lawlessness, not sinister enough to be mentioned herewith.

At approximately 19:37 EST, April 2nd, yakman_ banned Hy71194 from #SRL, instructing everyone (via a topic appending) to not lift the ban until 7 AM GMT, Friday morning.

A short time later, this happened:

[20:09:02] * SRLUser952 (n=hy@super.talkflack.com) has joined #SRL
[20:09:06] * SRLUser482 (n=harry@67.222.146.101) has joined #SRL
[20:09:18] * Jason2gs has kicked SRLUser482 from #srl (SRLUser482 SRLUser952)
[20:09:18] * Jason2gs has kicked SRLUser952 from #srl (SRLUser482 SRLUser952)
[20:09:25] * ChanServ removes channel operator status from Jason2gs
[20:09:33] * SRLUser952 (n=hy@super.talkflack.com) has joined #SRL
[20:09:35] <SRLUser952> wtf?
[20:09:37] * SRLUser952 has quit (Client Quit)
[20:09:41] * SRLUser482 (n=harry@67.222.146.101) has joined #SRL

Given the log-on times of the two users, and seeing as how Hy71194 is the only one around here who abbreviates his name, Harry, as "Hy", I think we can safely infer that SRLUser482 and SRLUser952 are both Hy71194.

Also note the hostname that SRLUser952 signed in on. That will come into play later on.

After telling SRLUser482 (whom I assumed to be Hy71194) that he was banned, and he had to leave, this happened:

[20:20:51] <@Jason2gs> SRLUser482, it is my theory that you are Hy71194, SSH'ing into another computer. Thus the reason for the terminal IRC app (Irssi), also reasoning for the Mudkips and DESU DESU DESU spam used by Hy71194.
[20:21:42] <SRLUser482> Jason2gs: IRSSI was the client I was recomended by my friend on msn
[20:21:45] <SRLUser482> he said it was the best
[20:22:26] <@Jason2gs> SRLUser482, in no other situation would I ask you to do this, but I'd like to request for you to sign in on Mibbit. www.mibbit.com
[20:22:36] <@Jason2gs> Or another web client.
[20:22:44] <SRLUser482> whatever, if you dont want be here, just say it, don't be an arse going "lolol you're doing something wrong"
[20:22:45] * SRLUser482 has quit ("leaving")
[20:22:47] <@Jason2gs> Or possibly a client already on your computer, but not terminal.

This was proof enough to me that SRLUser482 was Hy71194 simply evading a ban. But trouble started when I announced that I would ban SRLUser482's IP address.

[20:27:13] <@Jason2gs> It's not really fishy. He left when I asked him to sign in on another client. Proof enough to me that he's Harry…
[20:27:24] <@Jason2gs> Just lemme ban his IP…
[20:27:48] <Kiddie_Twinkles> Jason2gs, useless ban FTL? he already quit.
[20:28:42] * Jason2gs sets ban on *!*@*67.222.146.101
[20:29:25] <Kiddie_Twinkles> Jason2gs, I wouldn't do that if I were you .. there's no reason to do it, tbh, he already left. And if he comes back, then akick him.
[20:29:59] <Kiddie_Twinkles> Jason2gs, did you search up his IP on SRL? I think it is different than hy's
[20:30:33] <@Jason2gs> I already told you my theory.
[20:31:34] <Kiddie_Twinkles> Jason2gs, no one cares about your theory. He is probably just a srl user who had the misfortune of having the same name as him.
[20:31:40] <noidea> Who the hell are you..?^
[20:31:49] <Kiddie_Twinkles> mao?
[20:31:53] <noidea> Yea
[20:31:59] <@Jason2gs> noidea, I was wondering that too
[20:31:59] <Kiddie_Twinkles> I am a SRL user.
[20:32:16] <noidea> SRL name?
[20:32:22] <Kiddie_Twinkles> noidea, mudkips
[20:32:26] <noidea> …\
[20:32:39] <noidea> =\
[20:32:45] <@Jason2gs> Kiddie_Twinkles, you've stated your opinion, now stop. It's my decision to ban the second IP. Not yours.
[20:32:46] <Kiddie_Twinkles> Mudkips is my clone. I has 2 xchat clients open :P
[20:33:05] <Kiddie_Twinkles> Jason2gs, WHATEVER. it will just give you a bad rep for banning people you are not sure they deserve to be banned

Now I had suspicions that Kiddie_Twinkles was Hy71194, trying to stop the ban.

For starters, his attitude toward me. The language he used ("WHATEVER", "useless ban FTL?", etcetera). He also referred to Harry colloquially as "Hy."

Also, if you notice, Kiddie_Twinkles stated that "Mudkips" was his clone on the IRC. Running a search in my logs for every time Kiddie_Twinkles and Mudkips has logged onto #SRL shows something very interesting.

1239551 Mar 02 17:25:19 * Kiddie_Twinkles (i=Kiddie@cpe-24-58-94-137.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined #SRL
1239707 Mar 02 17:32:46 * Kiddie_Twinkles (i=Kiddie@cpe-24-58-94-137.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined #SRL
1240065 Mar 02 18:05:19 * Kiddie_Twinkles (i=Kiddie@cpe-24-58-94-137.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined #SRL
1382098 Mar 28 18:14:10 * Mudkips (n=Liek@super.talkflack.com) has joined #SRL
1386749 Mar 29 12:12:19 * Kiddie_Twinkles (i=Kiddie@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1387230 Mar 29 13:37:17 * Kiddie_Twinkles (i=Kiddie@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #srl
1407189 Apr 01 20:58:27 * Kiddie_Twinkles (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1411320 Apr 02 15:36:31 * Kiddie_Twinkles (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1411433 Apr 02 16:10:39 * Mudkips (n=Liek@super.talkflack.com) has joined #SRL
1411463 Apr 02 16:14:05 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1411548 Apr 02 16:28:45 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1413909 Apr 02 20:40:27 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1414191 Apr 02 23:04:39 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1416053 Apr 03 09:32:21 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1421929 Apr 04 11:38:54 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1456028 Apr 10 14:29:39 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1456223 Apr 10 14:45:19 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1462880 Apr 11 15:50:36 * Mudkips (n=Liek@unaffiliated/kiddie-twinkles/x-3181157) has joined #SRL
1642490 May 09 21:42:27 * Mudkips (n=mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #srl
1642586 May 09 21:56:14 * Mudkips (n=mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #srl
1642879 May 09 22:40:02 * Mudkips (n=Mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL
1646848 May 10 13:22:30 * Mudkips (n=Mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL
1648920 May 10 18:26:01 * Mudkips (n=Mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL
1650936 May 11 01:11:28 * Mudkips (n=SRLUser@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL
1650938 May 11 01:13:17 * Mudkips (n=Mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL
1652264 May 11 07:20:49 * Mudkips (n=Mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL
1653662 May 11 13:24:29 * Mudkips (n=Mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL
1653810 May 11 13:56:36 * Mudkips (n=Mudkips@unaffiliated/mudkips) has joined #SRL

As you can see, Kiddie_Twinkles initially joined three times under Hy71194's IP address, linking Hy71194/Harry to Kiddie_Twinkles and Hy71194/Harry to Kiddie_Twinkle's story regarding the Mudkips forum account.

This would be a good time to present the following pieces of evidence, provided to me by Rasta Magician.

This shows that the Mudkips account registered and posted on the forums with the super.talkflack.com:


This shows that the Mudkips account registered on the forums with referrer "Harry" and email address "harry@canhazmail.com":


This shows that the Mudkips account gave reputation points to Hy71194/Harry:


There's also something else that deserves mentioning. The account "jewballs" showed up on April 30th. It was referred to the forum by Wizzup, from a library in Baldwinsville, New York. The following picture, provided by my Rasta Magician, shows that Hy71194/Harry posted with the same IP address that "jewballs" signed in on.

Noting that Harry lives in New York, not far from Baldwinsville, observe the following evidence:


The following is a list of every log-on from n=traveler I could find in my logs. Notice the bottom, on April 30th. The date the "jewballs" account was registered.

82716 Jul 12 19:58:09 * traveler^ (n=traveler@modem-0292.rns.tamu.edu) has joined #srl
1059782 Feb 02 13:58:07 * Traveler (n=traveler@53545E13.cable.casema.nl) has joined #srl
1087998 Feb 06 10:36:14 * Traveler8 (n=traveler@host86-155-38-113.range86-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #srl
1096382 Feb 07 23:01:32 * Traveler9 (n=traveler@pool-71-127-201-24.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1128431 Feb 12 21:13:01 * Traveler7 (n=traveler@pool-71-125-90-114.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1164887 Feb 16 22:32:02 * Traveler (n=traveler@pool-71-127-195-78.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1180776 Feb 19 20:09:57 * Traveler (n=traveler@pool-71-112-35-158.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1199465 Feb 23 03:51:24 * Traveler (n=traveler@88-196-12-226-dsl.lse.estpak.ee) has joined #srl
1215369 Feb 26 16:29:09 * Traveler0 (n=traveler@cpe-024-211-198-154.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #srl
1215633 Feb 26 17:30:37 * Traveler1 (n=traveler@cpe-024-211-198-154.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #srl
1229882 Mar 01 06:31:54 * Traveler1212 (n=traveler@124-170-140-224.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #srl
1314482 Mar 15 18:20:03 * Traveler (n=traveler@sm2-84-90-51-229.netvisao.pt) has joined #srl
1322532 Mar 16 20:57:45 * Traveler (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1326796 Mar 17 16:39:42 * Traveler9 (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1334022 Mar 18 21:01:25 * Traveler2 (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1339054 Mar 19 16:44:17 * Traveler (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1339281 Mar 19 17:53:46 * Traveler1 (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1345205 Mar 20 16:18:01 * Traveler8 (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1347377 Mar 20 22:48:14 * Traveler (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1350959 Mar 21 14:13:44 * Traveler (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1366502 Mar 24 14:01:38 * Traveler0 (n=traveler@pool-71-127-206-5.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1393136 Mar 30 11:55:24 * Traveler2 (n=traveler@sm2-84-90-52-2.netvisao.pt) has joined #srl
1400649 Mar 31 17:13:23 * Traveler6 (n=traveler@pool-71-127-193-132.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) has joined #srl
1444822 Apr 08 13:56:53 * Traveler3 (n=traveler@212.147.130.195) has joined #srl
1479896 Apr 14 14:25:40 * Traveler (n=traveler@ip163-149-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) has joined #srl
1483589 Apr 14 21:35:49 * Traveler3 (n=traveler@c-98-225-184-19.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #srl
1577707 Apr 29 08:38:29 * Traveler8 (n=traveler@70.79-160-2.customer.lyse.net) has joined #srl
1577968 Apr 29 10:10:38 * Traveler8 (n=traveler@70.79-160-2.customer.lyse.net) has joined #srl
1578317 Apr 29 12:32:34 * Traveler0 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584851 Apr 30 10:58:02 * Traveler2 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584864 Apr 30 11:00:20 * Traveler2 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584869 Apr 30 11:00:31 * Traveler2 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584880 Apr 30 11:00:45 * Traveler4 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584888 Apr 30 11:01:09 * Traveler5 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584897 Apr 30 11:01:23 * Traveler4 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584902 Apr 30 11:01:35 * Traveler1 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584911 Apr 30 11:01:50 * Traveler4 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584917 Apr 30 11:02:04 * Traveler4 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584926 Apr 30 11:02:28 * Traveler6 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584932 Apr 30 11:02:38 * Traveler1 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584938 Apr 30 11:02:47 * Traveler7 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584940 Apr 30 11:03:00 * Traveler4 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584943 Apr 30 11:03:20 * Traveler2 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584945 Apr 30 11:03:32 * Traveler8 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584947 Apr 30 11:03:44 * Traveler5 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl

Note: I'm told by Martinp23, a Freenode staff member, that "Traveler" is a default username, used by Java web IRC clients.

Some of you may remember the Traveler* users from the mass highlighting attempts that we had not that long ago.

1584932 Apr 30 11:02:38 * Traveler1 (n=traveler@mailwebsrv.bville.lib.ny.us) has joined #srl
1584933 Apr 30 11:02:39 * RM`` is now known as RMagician
1584934 Apr 30 11:02:40 <Traveler1> [HOBBIT] aiuinp akwardsaw Anime away_man_ftl Blumblebee Byte`Me Camo`Away choroid Da0wner`Away danopia Dave2 Guest66794 Harry_BOT Hermpie HYiVT iroki Jason2gs`Away kz` Late lolsuper_ Martinp23 n3ss3s navatwo NCDS Neosage1985 noidea_ ntfs_ Ogre r84nf0-sleep Reminder RM`` Saturn` ss23 statbot6000 Tootoot222 Wizzup w_sun
1584935 Apr 30 11:02:42 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to RMagician
1584936 Apr 30 11:02:43 * Traveler1 has quit (Excess Flood)

That's about it. Please post how you feel about the situation now.

The post, as it would appear on the public forum, ends here.

May or may not add more concerning his requesting to ops to get unbanned, backseat modding, various spam and other misdemeanors.

add a short conclusion, like

"In light of all this evidence, and after careful consideration with other mods, Harry will be permanently banned from the forums and the srl irc channel, starting from when this thread is posted"


remove this bit,
"That's about it. Please post how you feel about the situation now."

i think it creates the impression that we're not completely sure what we're doing.
we are merely informing the public what has happened, we're not asking for their opinion or feedback.



also, remember this is not Jason2gs posting, but the whole of ssrl.
so you should change everything to be held in the third person, for example.

"For starters, his attitude toward me."

becomes

"For starters, his attitude toward Jason2gs."




"intended to prove to you - the reader - that Hy71194/Harry:"

proof is a very powerful word, and that invites people to say "you dont know 100%", which is of course true but that only exists in maths…

i think you should change it to "intended to demonstrate that Hy71194/Harry:"

What about the logs?

Will we just put something at the top of the post that reads, "The logs were provided by Jason2gs", etcetera?

You forgot about RM's proof, the Maps etc.

I meant how the logs from my viewpoint right now. We could try and edit them, or get new logs from yakman.

What about his members app? He got in via. a forged script?

Do you think we should allow him to at least post once on that thread above first? He does own HY's Fight caver, and while it isn't a particularly good script, it is one of the most.. used scripts.

Which means there will be at least 20 juniour members defending him, especially ones who never went on IRC.

Look, I really don't think he should be perm banned from forums. He does annoy the shit out of us all, like a little brother, but he's not stupid and he does have the ability to contribute - which he does. I say we go public with this, and make it known this is his last chance. He will just come back under another name if he gets permed, and will start saying we have double standards by letting iroki back in - which we do.

i think there's a lot more evidence which could be put into play….


~RM

Is guilty of owning a second account on this forum.
SO what? he isnt actively using it and it doesn hurt.
Is guilty of owning and operating multiple accounts on the IRC, separate from Hy71194.
Which we all know of, and they dont hurt,
Is suspect of numerous mass-highlighting attempts over time.
Which he will from now on get a one-week ban for every time he does it.
Is criminal of numerous acts of ban evasion, and other general lawlessness, not sinister enough to be mentioned herewith.
which he will also get a one-week ban for every time he does this shit.

Tadaa problem solved. No need for drama shit like this, and fuck evidence, we don't need it.

Perm banning Hy won't lead to anything good. Trust me.

I still think he should get a ban of some kind…

Whether it be perm or timed, all the shit caused is ridiculous.

Well, as Rasta Magician showed, he did use the Mudkips account just yesterday to give reputation to himself.

(I recall the conversation on IRC. He wanted to get, I think, 200 reputation points, or three green dots. He was asking people to rep him.)

Explain how you think a permanent ban won't do any good?

Note that I'm not saying, "He has a second account, and as per the rules, we should ban him." - If it's for the betterment of the community, bending the rules is fine. But simply put, I don't see how Harry is anything but a bad influence.

From: Jason2gs
Explain how you think a permanent ban won't do any good?

The only thing you get is a raging Harry and a raging legion of his fans who keep fucking up SRL and ban evading. Easy as that.
Besides, how will it help? He gave some rep to himself. Okay, just fucking delete the rep -> give a warning/infraction -> done.
And maybe you can/will only see the bad side of Harry, but he has a good side too. For example, he always helps/helped people setting up SRL (ok that was just for them to run his script, but still very nice), helped N1ke with some computer trouble the other day and is (usually) a nice person. He doesn't flame, epic rage, doesn't spam too much etc. He just wants to have a little bit of fun, which is understandable. He just doesn't know the limits exactly.
If we're going to ban him perm, that's like saying to someone who drives in a road with one-way traffic which he ignored for 20 years now (and noone cared, as it isn't that busy road) that he'll get a lifetime ban from moving in any direction, just because he did something he obviously didn't know that it was too bad.
Ofcourse, you gonna say now "the old man was supposed to know that he shouldn't drive into that road". Well, let me tell you this: rules are worthless if they aren't enforced.
Imo you're overdoing this, just because of your own anti-Harry crusade. There aren't that many people (= people outside of SSRL) complaining about him (except for his mass-highlights which can be resolved easily).
Imo someone of the staff (not you) should give him a firm warning. If he continues to break rules, one-week bans at a time. Problem solved, no need for this "evidence perm ban Hy" shit.

I thought he was already on his last chance since his Swastika avatar/flashing avatar?
I do not think it's a case of giving him warnings etc. No matter what, he will continue to push the limits. I still fail to see any improvement in attitude or maturity over the months. There's a difference between "Oh, it's only one, little thing, lets just ban him a week" and "Oh, he's broken several rules over the years but they weren't really big rules, so we'll just ban him for a week". Maybe this last sentence will explain my unlinked sentences.

Oh, he's broken several rules over the years but they weren't really big rules, but we never punished him so lets perm-ban him right now.

^ what this thread is like.

From: Markus
Oh, he's broken several rules over the years but they weren't really big rules, but we never punished him so lets perm-ban him right now.

^ what this thread is like.

nah, it's more like let's give him a one week ban for each thing, which adds up to a lifetime ban.

but i still stand by the two week ban.

~RM

My post was more about he's been on his last chance for a while now. The attempt to ban him before didn't achieve any improvement in his attitude and all it did was prove his true colours by trying to ruin the whole community, so I don't see how giving him several one week bans would do anything. If he created the second forum account, then there's a good chance he may be thinking about pushing it further soon, hence wanted an account to fall onto if he did get banned so he could still view the forums. Or I may be looking into it too much (more likely option).

I'm out of the loop. Why does he have fans that would be mad? Is it the fight caver that was actually pwnaz0rs?

How about we give him two infraction points for everything that should have been a permanent ban (in either IRC or the forums) if we enforced our own rules properly. That should at least permban him once, maybe up to 3 times?

Harry has been banned before for doing stupid things on the IRC. It has not really lead to anything good, in fact, he got unbanned a week after.

IRC and the forums should be separate. If he's doing stupid things on IRC, ban him there. I know not all OP's agree with some bans, but IMO temporary bans should not be reverted, it turns one OP into "a good guy" and the other in "a bad buy". If it's a perm ban, I think it should be discussed first. Every OP is equal, just as every admin is equal here. Of course there are some who stand out, because they run the place, and they should have a final decision.

But let's keep the forums and the IRC separated. I don't think he should receive a ban on the forums. It's not like Mudkips is really active here (as far is I know), so maybe an infraction should be enough.