SRL Archive - The Bashing Club / BBQ Pit

While this is in the BBQ Pit, I want no flaming, bad mouthing, sarcasm, etc.

The OP Abuse in the SRL IRC chatroom is out of control.

I'm requesting that ALL Operator Statuses are taken away from, well, everyone besides the most important people in the IRC (yakman, created channel; Wizzup?, best at SRL).

This is not only to reduce in the flaming/complaining in the IRC, but to make it funner, if that's a word.

Please take this seriously in to thought, and please make it into effect. There are a lot of unnecessary operators, unnecessary kicking and banning, etc.

If the creator of the channel and Wizzup would be the only operators, you may be saying this would be a large load on them. While this is true, it would decrease in the complaining/flaming because they actually know how to run it = no unnecessary beings.

I also think there should be some sort of thing put into place where IRC Logs are automatically stored on the SRL Server for further discrepancies, which would make it easier as well.

Once again, please take this seriously into thought and make it happen.

Sincerely,
~TViYH

EDIT: If this topic is closed, more will be made, there will also be more complaining.

I think all the ops are "okay", just I do feel they are too strict. I think they should keep their status, just remove grudges on certain users, and not act like they are God there (though, they are, really).

But I do agree, things have changed recently. It used to be a fun, uncensored place, now everyone acts like it is serious business.

EDIT: If this topic is closed, more will be made, there will also be more complaining.

just fyi the more spam (spam = reposting closed threads often) = the more infractions.

And if you really want op statusses to be revoked, could you please get some real arguments? Thanks.

Real arguments? Here.

Wizzup commonly has bad attitudes towards people. He also posted over 20 lines of a Pedobear ASCII.

Harry commonly has bad attitudes towards people. He also posted over 20 lines of an ASCII.

Harry is permanently banned, Wizzup is not.

Explain that.

I know as a fact I'm not exactly the best op ever, which is why I generally stay out of these arguments, as I start to take sides, which isn't fair on the side you don't take.

I think all ops should just try and see the argument from both peoples point of view.

Richard, I agree 100%.

Instead of banning someone for having a bad attitude, look at your attitude. You're banning someone because you don't think they're good enough.

I'll explain: Wizzup is op, has founding right, admin, leader of SRL and saviour of it, and Harry is not. Easy as that.

From: Markus
I'll explain: Wizzup is op, has founding right, admin, leader of SRL and saviour of it, and Harry is not. Easy as that.

So basically I am worthless to this community?

Yakman founded the channel, WT-Fakawi is leader of SRL, and the fact that Harry isn't "God" doesn't make it right that Wizzup doesn't have the same consequences.

EDIT: Btw, sucking up can be thrown out as well.

From: Harry
So basically I am worthless to this community?

I never said that, and never will.

@TViYH: remember that Fawk is pretty inactive atm. And well, Wizzup makes the consequences..

From: Markus
I never said that, and never will.

But still… me being banned for doing the same things someone else did, and just because they have a higher rank they have a different effect?

And still, no one gets the point. I did it at 3 AM. Everyone was asleep / not talking there. No one complained. The chan was dead then.

inb4 Jason2gs posts.

From: Markus
I never said that, and never will.

@TViYH: remember that Fawk is pretty inactive atm. And well, Wizzup makes the consequences..

But still, you called him the leader. You also gave false facts. Give real facts. WT-Fakawi is the leader.

From: TViYH
But still, you called him the leader. You also gave false facts. Give real facts. WT-Fakawi is the leader.

Wizzup is. Maybe his title doesn't show "SRL Leader", but he is. you cant say someone who leads something isn't a leader.

From: Markus
Wizzup is. Maybe his title doesn't show "SRL Leader", but he is.

I believe somewhere in WT-Fakawi's title it says something around the term of SRL Leader. And, SRL Founder is a given.

Besides, it doesn't matter if he's the so-called "leader" in your eyes. Consequences should be the same. Kings and Queens are hanged for treason, too, no?

This is really pulling a lot of people here, 9 people viewing :p

I still stand be the fact that people should stand back and compare the 2 problems.

What you say about Wizzup? being the leader, surely that shouldn't make any difference, SRL Forums and #srl are 2 different things…

And if anything yakman (the founder of the IRC) is being very fair.

I personally have nothing against Yakman, he's probably the best op on IRC.

From: TViYH
Kings and Queens are hanged for treason, too, no?

They are, when they aren't Kings and Queens anymore.

From: Markus
They are when they aren't Kings and Queens anymore.

People bring them down. SRL != #srl, as per the removal of "SRL Rules Apply Here" from the topic.

From: TViYH
People bring them down. SRL != #srl, as per the removal of "SRL Rules Apply Here" from the topic.

Wizzup has more flags @ #SRL than you or I do. Only Yakman and Bebe can remove his flags, but how big you think the chance is they will? I do, it's 0.

From: Markus
Wizzup has more flags @ #SRL than you or I do. Only Yakman and Bebe can remove his flags, but how big you think the chance is they will? I do, it's 0.

I never said his flags had to be removed to begin with. I said that Yakman and Wizzup (+Bebe) should be the only ops.

From: TViYH
I never said his flags had to be removed to begin with. I said that Yakman and Wizzup (+Bebe) should be the only ops.

And then you are brining up an example of 'Wizzup posted a pedobear and didnt get banned', thus implying he isn't doing his 'job' well and should be de-opped.
What should I have done? Banned him? Nothx.

Now get some real examples/arguments/whatever.

I never said he wasn't doing his job. I never said he should be de-opped. Get your facts straight.

I said that there should be equal consequences.

Stop spinning my words around.

Jason2gs, I know you are reading this topic, so can you please remove the ban on Harry? Even though RM reinstated it, you were the original banner with the reason, so you are aloud to remove it…

I am not taking any side here at all but I am always on #SRL so I see what happens.

I see OP's completely take advantage, and I see alot of people break alot of set rules.

In my eyes this is kind of a pointless fight for both sides.

No matter what Mods/Admins/whatever are going to do whatever they want regardless of who it effects because they can.

At the same time though it doesnt make it any better that people break rules constantly and become extremely annoying.

No matter what, any organization that has "leaders"/higher powers is never going to seem fair to everyone. The people with those powers will see nothing wrong but the people without them for the most part will feel that they are treated very un-fairly.

I am not going to drop any names at all, but I could easily sit here and support both sides of this all day long.

From: Markus
And then you are brining up an example of 'Wizzup posted a pedobear and didnt get banned', thus implying he isn't doing his 'job' well and should be de-opped.
What should I have done? Banned him? Nothx.

Now get some real examples/arguments/whatever.

It is hypocritical that he thinks it is correct for him to do something like that, and yet anyone else who does it will get a different effect. Do you think that a leader is good if he acts as being immune/having different rules, just based on their rank?
That would be like an Army General team-killing on purpose because he has a higher rank than the soldiers.

From: TViYH
I never said he wasn't doing his job. I never said he should be de-opped. Get your facts straight.

I said that there should be equal consequences.

Stop spinning my words around.

You are saying "The Ops" aren't doing their job right, because Wizzup didnt get banned for posting a pedobear and Harry did (I wasn't even around when that happened but that's another thing).
Equal consequences would be that Wizzup will be banned, not that Harry will be unbanned (which is all you're trying to do right here).

Anyways brb.

NCDS, +1, but the taking advantage would be ended if Yakman and Wizzup (+Bebe) were the only ops, and if #srl rules were put into place via vote on the forums.

No, I think they should both be banned. Equal consequences means equal consequences.

I could care less if he is banned, but he shouldn't be mistreated like that.

seems like a bit much to ask that one of the biggest names in SRL gets banned from the irc channel though…

I think my opinion on this matter can be best explained by: this

sorry, but TViYH, you look pathetic in my eyes and are failing to see reason, you have a good arguement but the point in this is Wizzup?>TViYH's opinion for one, another is that you didn't create the channel, and have no control. This should be closed, just seems like a reason to flame or argue.
edit:Blumblebee >.>

So, you're saying that it's not fair?

How is it fair that ANYONE gets banned for doing something that someone else did with no consequences?

EDIT: SandoS:

From: SandoS
sorry, but TViYH, you look pathetic in my eyes and are failing to see reason, you have a good arguement but the point in this is Wizzup?>TViYH's opinion for one, another is that you didn't create the channel, and have no control. This should be closed, just seems like a reason to flame or argue.
edit:Blumblebee >.>

Wizzup? didn't create the channel either. His opinion is as good as mine, and his opinion isn't even involved in this. Stay out of the argument if you don't know the argument.

1644409 May 10 02:52:49 * Jason2gs sets ban on *!*@*harry*

1644455 May 10 03:07:20 * [HOBBIT] removes ban on *!*@*harry*

The ban was originally set for a large ASCII spam, of approximately twenty-three lines. (I only skimmed it.)

It lasted approximately fifteen minutes, when Harry admittedly requested Hobbit to change the ban to a mute, claiming that it was "useless." Hobbiit removed the ban, with no mute.

This afternoon, Rasta Magician reinstated the ban.

I've chose to not yet unban him. That is my decision. Unless a higher op (yakman or Wizzup) wishes to override my decision, it will stay. Until it is decided what will happen next…

Richard, if you idea is, "Unban Harry, this drama will go away." - I don't need you to tell me that, and especially not on a public forum. If you want to share you opinion with me concerning this ban, do it in private.

Edit: In case anyone was wondering, the original ban was intended to be lifted the morning after being placed. I presumed that, since Harry was in the same timezone as I, and since it was nearly three AM in the morning, a ban without a kick would result in Harry simply leaving for bed, with his client and bots on. When he got up the next day, he would be unbanned.

From: SandoS
sorry, but TViYH, you look pathetic in my eyes and are failing to see reason, you have a good arguement but the point in this is Wizzup?>TViYH's opinion for one, another is that you didn't create the channel, and have no control. This should be closed, just seems like a reason to flame or argue.
edit:Blumblebee >.>

Lol, suck up more? Wizzup has not even made an opinion on this thread yet, and you are instantly siding with him.

From: Jason2gs
The ban was originally set for a large ASCII spam, of approximately twenty-three lines. (I only skimmed it.)

It lasted approximately fifteen minutes, when Harry admittedly requested Hobbit to change the ban to a mute, claiming that it was "useless." Hobbiit removed the ban, with no mute.

This afternoon, Rasta Magician reinstated the ban.

I've chose to not yet unban him. That is my decision. Unless a higher op (yakman or Wizzup) wishes to override my decision, it will stay. Until it is decided what will happen next…

Richard, if you idea is, "Unban Harry, this drama will go away." - I don't need you to tell me that, and especially not on a public forum. If you want to share you opinion with me concerning this ban, do it in private.

Was only about 10 lines, for one.

Two, it is not my fault that you set a ban on something that affected no one, it was 3 AM, NO ONE was talking about anything. The chan was dead for at least 15 minutes. That is just power hungry.

Why not unban me? It is not like I would do it again.

Bah, the only reason I think you brought this up TViYH was because you were pretty well banned recently. It's not that bad, it's just we have a chan full of idiots at times and the ops need to take control. I will admit some of the ops have fun at other people's expenses, but face it. It's like life, people are jerks, and everyone will take advantage of others to better themselves. Quit bitching.

Harry you are constantly doing mindless little shit and you never get in major trouble for it. You do some of the worst stuff here and spam the most, get banned the most, piss people off the most, and yet you are unbanned every time. It boggles my mind on why this happens to you only, but when someone else does anything near it they get perma'd. You need to be banned, you need to learn how to follow rules. You shouldn't get away with everything.

From: Mr.Klean
Bah, the only reason I think you brought this up TViYH was because you were pretty well banned recently. It's not that bad, it's just we have a chan full of idiots at times and the ops need to take control. I will admit some of the ops have fun at other people's expenses, but face it. It's like life, people are jerks, and everyone will take advantage of others to better themselves. Quit bitching.

Harry you are constantly doing mindless little shit and you never get in major trouble for it. You do some of the worst stuff here and spam the most, get banned the most, piss people off the most, and yet you are unbanned every time. It boggles my mind on why this happens to you only, but when someone else does anything near it they get perma'd. You need to be banned, you need to learn how to follow rules. You shouldn't get away with everything.

Explain. I have not done anything "mindless" recently.

From: Mr.Klean
Bah, the only reason I think you brought this up TViYH was because you were pretty well banned recently. It's not that bad, it's just we have a chan full of idiots at times and the ops need to take control. I will admit some of the ops have fun at other people's expenses, but face it. It's like life, people are jerks, and everyone will take advantage of others to better themselves. Quit bitching.

Harry you are constantly doing mindless little shit and you never get in major trouble for it. You do some of the worst stuff here and spam the most, get banned the most, piss people off the most, and yet you are unbanned every time. It boggles my mind on why this happens to you only, but when someone else does anything near it they get perma'd. You need to be banned, you need to learn how to follow rules. You shouldn't get away with everything.

Although you have good points, I brought this up because the limitation of ops would make it better, imo. If there were less ops, there would be less unnecessary kick/bans. Some of the ops have little to no experience, and a lot of them abuse it as is.

Even though Harry is like this sometimes, everyone else should have equal consequences. Before I got to know Wizzup?, I thought he was a dick. As you said, he needs to learn how to follow the rules, but SO DO THE OPS! As I said before, I think all operator statuses should be removed except for Yakman, Wizzup, and Bebe, and rules should be put into place and voted on on the forums.

From: Harry
Explain. I have not done anything "mindless" recently.

You even admit you have done it? I don't need to bring up examples. There will be a down pour of them soon enough.

maybe you were so absent minded that you didnt mind being mindless, but MrKlean noticed the mindlessness and reminded you about it now.

From: Mr.Klean
You even admit you have done it? I don't need to bring up examples. There will be a down pour of them soon enough.

Hell yeah, I used to mass-highlight like a year ago. But within the last few months? I have never done anything stupid like that.

From: Blumblebee
maybe you were so absent minded that you didnt mind being mindless, but MrKlean noticed the mindlessness and reminded you about it now.

Then refresh my memory on some examples.

From: Blumblebee
maybe you were so absent minded that you didnt mind being mindless, but MrKlean noticed the mindlessness and reminded you about it now.

I said no sarcasm. This is a serious argument.

Now that you are both unbanned, I take it this whole drama train is over? Yay for complaining to get your way, yay for the better tomorrow!

No, this "drama train" is not over. The unnecessary events will continue to happen. I am demanding that rules be put into place and voted on on the forums.

From: TViYH
No, this "drama train" is not over. The unnecessary events will continue to happen. I am demanding that rules be put into place and voted on on the forums.

And I demand this thread to close.

From: TViYH
No, this "drama train" is not over. The unnecessary events will continue to happen. I am demanding that rules be put into place and voted on on the forums.

You are demanding nothing. You seem to be the only one that has the problem with it. I assume that Harry is fine now that he is unbanned. I don't think anyone cares enough anymore.

What you guys forget is that harry, unlike wizzup, has about a million reasons to be banned.

~RM

Just dont mass highlight, mass notice, spam or be annoying and there will be no reason for any OP to dislike you…Also, by making this thread, you are acting like it is serious business as well - big deal if you get kicked, just rejoin. If you get kicked/banned constantly for no reason, then thats a problem. Harry can't be used as an example of that, because most people don't know the full extent of the situation (inb4 someone argues about not knowing the full situation, including Harry)