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SRL Membership Voting


mixster

2009-04-24 16:45:08

Below is all my opinion. It can be wrong :)
Requirements for voting: I am unsure as to if or how often this is discussed at this level and above, but as this shows, it has not disappeared. I am insignificant to the issue, but it would be nice to have it solved. For me, there are two clear ways forward for the system:

1) Clarification
Set real guidelines for applicants and voting.

Does membership show a set level of skill? Is it a rank where you are expected to continue to grow, thus voting is based on them being a diamond to be polished?

Must they use DTM's, walking and banking? Must they show skillful logic? Must they show an ability to comfortably use SRL procedures and even rewrite them where it aids their script?

Of what importance is attitude? Do they have to be an actively helpful person? Must they not have a negative impact on the community via flaming? Should they set an example for Jr Members, thus be mature and kind?

There are, of course, many other issues to clarify too.


2) Revolution / Reformation
The second option is to completely rebuild the whole system

Amongst reformation, there are several methods to be used instead, but I think the most promising would be based on a "Trial" system - in this case, trial referring to judges, lawyers and the lark. Of course, it would be a positive system rather than trying to get them thrown in jail or the like. To me, it is a somewhat mixture of the standard method of getting into SRL and SSRL combined and is summarised as - nomination -> evidence -> voting -> result.

This system follows 3 steps:
1) Jr Member nominated as a member by an existing SRL Member. At this point, a judge (admin / mod) looks into the background of the suggested member and decides whether or not it should be brought forward. This check would be quite loose and really just to stop people nominating anyone they liked. They then contact the user and ask them if they want to continue the process.

2) A 'jury' is set up of several recently active members - exact number need not be too high or low, just so much that one biased user won't have a huge effect. It can be selected based upon the judge choosing or anything like that as long as the nominator is not a part of it. An alternative to judge selected jury could be an automatic script that looks for people who have visited (and posted?) within the last few days and chooses x amount. With the jury setup, the 'court case' then goes ahead where the nominee posts evidence as to why they think they should be a SRL Member - this bit is flexible as to what it should be ie in the form of a script or text about them and the like and includes scripts they've worked on and a bit from the nominator.

3) The jury discusses amongst each other and comes to a decision. Private voting occurs, then the results are used by the admin to give the nominee the final result. How the results of voting are handles in terms of a yes/no result would need to be discussed, but I think they need two thirds (2 / 3) of the votes to be yes to get through else it's a no.

Of course, this is just a system I think would work well. There could just be a system like for SSRL where it's nomination -> evidence -> vote, but I think due to the larger nature of members and the varying amounts of votes, specifying members to vote will allow it be somewhat fairer. Also, it wouldn't take much effort as it could be just looking at a few random posts made by the nominee to see if it's a reasonable nomination else leave it up to the nominator to have a little evidence as to why. For jury selection, it could be as easy as looking at the "member's who've been online in the last 24 hours" bit at the bottom of the board and sending them a message. Of course, this is still extra work for admins / mods, so it would probably also require getting active and respected lower level members to help, such as Dev's.


Of course, Clarification would be an easier to implement solution and Revolution would need a stage of clarification for the jury voting stage anyway. Either way, I think something big needs to be done to stop this being an issue any more. To me, SRL Member is supposed to be a rank worth something, so as soon as people start questioning this worth it becomes a hollow rank that people no longer respect and lowers morale all round.

Just in case you forgot, this is all my opinion and it can be wrong :)

Sir R. M8gic1an

2009-04-24 18:24:41

hummm.. i see one big flaw there.

For jury selection, it could be as easy as looking at the "member's who've been online in the last 24 hours" bit at the bottom of the board and sending them a message.


that means we would have to "force" certain srl members to vote in certain apps. Remember that people are here part-time, for a hobby, and you can ask them for favour, but if this system were to be implemented it wold have to be in a more professional environment where people actually have a job..

~RM

mixster

2009-04-24 21:42:21

I agree that it is one of the flaws in my preferred method, but nothing states it's compulsory. I think given the choice, members wouldn't mind too much as it would consist of reading.

Otherwise, having it based on a 100% voluntary basis in the form of a topic that held a list of people who would be willing may work as well - there are plenty of active people who vote on applicants at the moment as is, so I don't think it would be too much of a push to get a reasonable number.

XcanadamanX

2009-04-24 23:25:03

For jury selection, it could be as easy as looking at the "member's who've been online in the last 24 hours" bit at the bottom of the board and sending them a message.
Haha Jury Duty :p

Jason2gs

2009-04-26 03:41:44

Perhaps SSRL could in some way act as the Jury?

lordsaturn

2009-04-26 04:57:27

I like the 2nd option, without the first step. I think we should still be able to have applicants.

But I don't think the SRL member population will like not being able to vote on applications.

Maybe release a compilation of messages from each juror on how the script author can improve, or their own opinions on the script. This way, it is a lot like the current system, but with anonymity. But then what is the purpose of having anonymity while voting?

Sir R. M8gic1an

2009-04-26 05:01:09

From: Jason2gs
Perhaps SSRL could in some way act as the Jury?



No. Just like ssrl decides on new ssrl members, srl members decide on new srl members.

~RM

JAD

2009-04-26 06:38:41

Right now, the rank of srl member is interpreted differently by lots of different people, from all ranks. Maybe a clarification would be the best step to take.

What if we had like a grading system?

Example:

40% scripting ability
35% attitude/personality
15% helpfulness and activity
10% willingness to learn

Mixster, I give your scripting ability a 38, your attitude and personality a 25, your helpfulness and activity a 18 (extra. very active and helpful) and your willingness to learn a 9. (just an example)

38 + 25 + 18 + 9 = 90. That's an A-, so you get a yes from me. Good job!



We would have to agree on the most important things to look at in a script, and how they weigh against other categories. Then it would still be to people's discrimination on how to grade the scripting ability category though.

Bobarkinator

2009-04-26 07:01:14

From: JAD
Right now, the rank of srl member is interpreted differently by lots of different people, from all ranks. Maybe a clarification would be the best step to take.

What if we had like a grading system?

Example:

40% scripting ability
35% attitude/personality
15% helpfulness and activity
10% willingness to learn

Mixster, I give your scripting ability a 38, your attitude and personality a 25, your helpfulness and activity a 18 (extra. very active and helpful) and your willingness to learn a 9. (just an example)

38 + 25 + 18 + 9 = 90. That's an A-, so you get a yes from me. Good job!



We would have to agree on the most important things to look at in a script, and how they weigh against other categories. Then it would still be to people's discrimination on how to grade the scripting ability category though.


When I do vote, I just judge the script and attitude, in my mind I don't have any kind of formula. I just kinda play it by ear.

JAD

2009-04-26 07:33:23

From: Bobarkinator
When I do vote, I just judge the script and attitude, in my mind I don't have any kind of formula. I just kinda play it by ear.


As do I.

But if we are going to do the first step, which is clarify, I think that it should be in percentage form (not that you have to go exactly by that and even give points like I did). But how important is the script? Obviously not 100% of the application. 90%? 50%? less? How important is attitude? Only like 5%? More important than scripting?

Maybe people should be left to think for themselves what the most important thing is and just be able to vote how they want to vote. A clarification would be the clarifiers opinion, and on srl members apps we are supposed to vote based on our opinion, so I don't know. People have different opinions, so maybe it's best to just leave it how it is. I don't understand why everyone in that thread was making it seem like "OMG! SRL will DIE if we keep letting average scripters in!!!".

Nava2

2009-04-26 07:50:39

Do we really need two fucking threads going. Honestly, why hide something like this from the kiddies.

JAD

2009-04-26 07:53:06

From: Nava2
Do we really need two fucking threads going. Honestly, why hide something like this from the kiddies.


From: Nava2
How about fucking annoying kid who really needs to realize what real life is, and then realize that he needs to show some form of fucking maturity, even if it is over the internet - Cup


From: Nava2
Look at the smarts you idiots.

Its not hard, look for logic and things that are useful. Fuck, if everyone expected dev-worthy scripts then no one would get in.


New favorite word? :p

mixster

2009-04-26 15:16:07

Nava2: Ask me nicely and I'll tell you why.

Nava2

2009-04-27 08:16:21

Bad night, my apologies.

n3ss3s

2009-04-28 12:15:59

From: JAD
Right now, the rank of srl member is interpreted differently by lots of different people, from all ranks. Maybe a clarification would be the best step to take.

What if we had like a grading system?

Example:

40% scripting ability
35% attitude/personality
15% helpfulness and activity
10% willingness to learn

Mixster, I give your scripting ability a 38, your attitude and personality a 25, your helpfulness and activity a 18 (extra. very active and helpful) and your willingness to learn a 9. (just an example)

38 + 25 + 18 + 9 = 90. That's an A-, so you get a yes from me. Good job!



We would have to agree on the most important things to look at in a script, and how they weigh against other categories. Then it would still be to people's discrimination on how to grade the scripting ability category though.



And a bribe can completely compensate any of those.

JAD

2009-04-28 18:30:59

From: n3ss3s
And a bribe can completely compensate any of those.


What do you mean? A bribe can compensate people's votes even now.