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okay guys, i've been thinking for a while and the cup system didn't seem to be quite working at the level which it could be. This might be for many reasons;

- We get lazy to post cup suggestions
- We forget to post cup suggestions
- We think "oh helpful" but don't bother to check if the person would deserve the cup
- We are too strict on cups
- We are too greedy ?
- We are not enought to nominate everyone who deserves a cup
- Add another reason here?

i'm not saying these are the reasons; Personally all of those reasons have been part of why i might have not nominated somene for a cup, and probably for some of you. If there are other reasons you can think of then post them :)

So here is my suggestion:
We get a new, more efficient, cup nominating system! - How?

Each time someone reports a post there is a new thread made in the mod's boards which shows who reported, what the reason was, the reported post and who posted it. Also, when two people report the same post, it adds to the thread. (i hope it's explained well enough )

What I was thinking is that we could get a similar system for cup nominations;

- A button next to infraction button
– When you click on the button you nominate the person for a cup
— The nomination shows up in "Cup Nominations" forum
— Along with this we see who nominated, what the post was and who the poster was
—- Possibly we let SRL Members nominate

So a thread is created in Cup Nominations; what then? We vote and discuss it as usual :)

It becomes easier and less painful to nominate, if SRL Members are allowed we get more eyes (to find good nominations) and if the nomination is bad we just reject it.

Also, it should be fairly easy to implement as it would be the same mod as post reports (possibly but not necessarily throw in a twist or two).

I don't think there's anything to lose, really.

What do you guys think?

~RM

I like this idea a lot RM. Although I think that if srl members had this power aswell that there would be WAY too many of these cup nomination points. How many active ssrl members, devs, and mods do we have together? There's enough I think.


Just because you give someone a cup point or whatever we will call them, it doesn't necessarily mean that we are nominating them, does it? Like, if we see someone test 1 script and report bugs thoroughly, that doesn't mean that they automatically deserve a testers cup, but they do if they get enough of them, right? Or if someone does one good thorough look over someones script when voting, that doesn't mean that they deserve valued voter cup, but if they do it enough times they do.

I think that it's a great idea though. But I think that we should keep the section to poll people, but this will probably be used mostly.

From: JAD
I like this idea a lot RM. Although I think that if srl members had this power aswell that there would be WAY too many of these cup nomination points. How many active ssrl members, devs, and mods do we have together? There's enough I think.


Just because you give someone a cup point or whatever we will call them, it doesn't necessarily mean that we are nominating them, does it? Like, if we see someone test 1 script and report bugs thoroughly, that doesn't mean that they automatically deserve a testers cup, but they do if they get enough of them, right?

I think that it's a great idea though. But I think that we should keep the section to poll people, but this will probably be used mostly.

i meant that a new poll is created in ssrl ;)

So yeah, no auto cups - all of it goes through us

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
i meant that a new poll is created in ssrl ;)

So yeah, no auto cups - all of it goes through us

~RM

Oh, ok. I thought you meant like we could all like "rep" a person for a cup, and then once they got enough good "rep" built up from enough different people they would get manually cupped.

I guess it would be nice to be able to nominate someone for a cup a little more conveniently. But I don't think that it will really change the cup system that much by just making it a little bit more convenient to nominate people for cup(s), do you?

i think it might - many times i think of nominating someone and then forget about it; If i had this button i'd just do it immediately;

I guess we can always try and see

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
i think it might - many times i think of nominating someone and then forget about it; If i had this button i'd just do it immediately;

I guess we can always try and see

~RM

OK, I guess it would be nice to have that. Just when I saw the thread title I thought something more miraculous was going to happen like what I said above.

I think that if we did have this, srl members would be able to nominate without having access to the forum, which would be a great thing.

From: JAD
OK, I guess it would be nice to have that. Just when I saw the thread title I thought something more miraculous was going to happen like what I said above.

I think that if we did have this, srl members would be able to nominate without having access to the forum, which would be a great thing.

I'd avoid something more miraculous - such as cup points = cup - because of friends nominating friends. Wouldn't be too good if it happened like that :p

~RM

One post doesn't usually make me decide when to nominate someone for a cup. So I wouldn't what post to report to cup suggestions.

From: Rasta Magician
I'd avoid something more miraculous - such as cup points = cup - because of friends nominating friends. Wouldn't be too good if it happened like that :p

~RM

That's why I said keep it ssrl+ though. I don't think that anyone in ssrl will be requesting cup points from each other. We're all mature enough to handle that :p and anyways, if the person doesn't deserve a cup, they aren't auto cupped anyways.

And if we did your idea for srl members, then I am 100% sure some friends would be nominating friends.

I just thought that with the points system, it would work good because then each time I see a great vote on an appliance, a great test report on a script, someone making a very helpful post, or someone releasing a good tutorial, I could give them a point, instead of needing to look through all of their posts to make sure that they have done these things several times to make sure that they are worthy of the cup (terrible run-on sentence, sorry). I thought that that was the biggest problem with cups: you see 1 good post, then you need to search for several more to see if they are worthy of the cup.

I like your idea too.

let me try to re-explain, cus there are things that you mention that are part of the idea;

When you suggest someone for a cup a new thread is created.

If someone suggests the same person for a cup a new post ON THE SAME THREAD is created. So the posts start to accumulate.

Say i nominate Saturn for voters on an app;
and you nominate him on another app
and bobarkinator on yet a diff one.

There would be 1 thread nominating him, with 3 posts as "evidence" that he deserves the cup

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
let me try to re-explain, cus there are things that you mention that are part of the idea;

When you suggest someone for a cup a new thread is created.

If someone suggests the same person for a cup a new post ON THE SAME THREAD is created. So the posts start to accumulate.

Say i nominate Saturn for voters on an app;
and you nominate him on another app
and bobarkinator on yet a diff one.

There would be 1 thread nominating him, with 3 posts as "evidence" that he deserves the cup

~RM

OK, well I guess that's pretty much the same thing as doing points. Each post is a "point" or whatever you want to call it, that with enough of them will get that person a cup.

I think that members with a cup count > 0 could have the privilege to do this? Or something like that to not allow the whole members group to be able to flood us with posts to look through.

Shouldn't be too hard to implement. I like it.

Love the idea, then follow with until X posts of evidence are shown the player isn't polled. It'd be a cool system. Would it not be hard to add?

I think it should be SSRL though, only.

I'd definitely agree with this idea. I think that when you click the nominate button it should open a window with check boxes or a drop-down menu with cups and you can select the one you'd want to nominate that person for. It'd keep the Cup Nominations section more organize if we could get it to generate a title for the thread like "SonSo for CupNameHere".

I also think each time a person is suggested for a cup, that post should be added as a quote to the original Cup Nomination post, or else with discussion by us in that thread the separate evidence would be split apart and harder to find.

The system you thought of seems very nice Rasta, enable that to members aswell, and keep it the same way as reports are, e.g if I report a post, I will not see the thread and neither will anyone else below SSRL…

I like this… I will go find a mod on vBulletin :p

(I like doing that :p )

From: Special Ed

I also think each time a person is suggested for a cup, that post should be added as a quote to the original Cup Nomination post, or else with discussion by us in that thread the separate evidence would be split apart and harder to find.

Humhm. That involves extra coding tho, i say we can give it a go, if there's any need mods+ can just merge the posts. If we then see it happens often we can (read: wizzy can :P) add to the code.

~RM

Hmmm well so far I haven't found a mod to do it easy though I have thought of a way to do it ourselves.

Steps:
1. Find where in the themes the report post button is.
2. Basically copy the code and make another button
3. Alter button code for new icon, link, position, etc
4. Create another form (like SRL Members app)
5. Have button link to form
6. Have form post in cup suggestions forum.

BAM done :)

Wizzup I will start testing on my dummy forum if you want? (let me know if you even like this idea before i waste time :p )

I like it a lot! =)

I think it would give us more "eyes" around the forum so we can award those we deserve awarding. Can anyone think of any negatives to this?

From: Special Ed
Can anyone think of any negatives to this?

The hassle to get it up and running :p Hopefully not too big of a deal.

Its a nice idea but I think that would be a whole lot of work to implement.

(Hobbit likes projects… ask Wizzup, I bug him all the time to give me some :p )

From: Hobbit
(Hobbit likes projects… ask Wizzup, I bug him all the time to give me some :p )

I have one for you.

http://www.villavu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=28

From: lordsaturn
I have one for you.

http://www.villavu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=28

You are soooo subtle. :)

[OnTopic]I'd really like to see this implemented, make RM an admin so he could do it? :p

From: Nava2
You are soooo subtle. :)

[OnTopic]I'd really like to see this implemented, make RM an admin so he could do it? :p

It's going to happen sooner or later, so why not sooner than later? :p

From: Nava2
You are soooo subtle. :)

[OnTopic]I'd really like to see this implemented, make RM an admin so he could do it? :p

Also very subtle :p

From: Nava2
You are soooo subtle. :)

[OnTopic]I'd really like to see this implemented, make RM an admin so he could do it? :p

Even if RM was admin he couldn't do it ;)

There are different levels of admins…


Also @ Tut island

I'm not allowed cause Wizzup has other plans for it.

From: JAD
It's going to happen sooner or later, so why not sooner than later? :p

guys, everything comes when the time is right; But thank you for the vote of confidence.

~RM

Hobbit knows php?

RM knows php?

Dang, now I feel like I should learn php..

So many subtle hints placed around. :)

Is this your new project, midget?

Wizzup says he has already seen this although he didn't share his thoughts, so i guess he's still thinking it over; If that is the case i say we be positive and get it as organized as possible :)


here is Hobbit's way of doing it:

From: Hobbit

Steps:
1. Find where in the themes the report post button is.
2. Basically copy the code and make another button
3. Alter button code for new icon, link, position, etc
4. Create another form (like SRL Members app)
5. Have button link to form
6. Have form post in cup suggestions forum.

The way it works:
- SRL Members + (or ssrl+) press a button over the post to suggest someone for a cup
- A thread gets created in ssrl
- if more people suggest the same person, replies are added to the thread
- ssrl discusses it and votes
- cups are awarded or not, usual method

Positives:
- Easier to suggest
- ? More people able suggest
- Decisions still taken by ssrl+

Negatives:
- Perhaps too many suggestions - i find it unlikely

~RM

Easy enough to see whether or not it's worth discussing them upon looking at the number of suggestions and the like. As said, the only negative is the production of the system. Duping the report system is the best solution though as Hobbit somewhat said.

From: mixster
Easy enough to see whether or not it's worth discussing them upon looking at the number of suggestions and the like. As said, the only negative is the production of the system. Duping the report system is the best solution though as Hobbit somewhat said.

that's what I had in mind, however i talked to hobbit about it and h said it wasn't possible.

~RM

From: Smartzkid
Hobbit knows php?

A little bit, but you don't need it. We can do it all within the vB code

From: Rasta Magician
that's what I had in mind, however i talked to hobbit about it and h said it wasn't possible.

~RM

In the sense that you brought it up yeah it wouldn't work cause the reporting system is built into vB but if we make our own it could.

hummm ?

any decisions on this?

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
hummm ?

any decisions on this?

~RM

I think that everyone is pretty much down with the idea. It's just the question of how hard it will be to implement this.

Yo, we all is being down with da idea, dawg!

From: The Claw
Yo, we all is being down with da idea, dawg!

Were you making fun of the way I talk? Lol :p

I think that every homo-sapien here is up for the intellectual challenge of revamping the cup system. Better?

Well it shouldn't be that hard

Just mod the current reporting system, yes?

From: Nava2
Just mod the current reporting system, yes?

No, that should be freaking annoying for us.
You would need a separate system.

Why, I don't know how the reporting system works, but wasn't the idea to create a thread upon nomination?

From: Nava2
Why, I don't know how the reporting system works, but wasn't the idea to create a thread upon nomination?

Yes but report post system can only post in one section. So then it would post in reported post section then we would have to move to SRL etc.

We could mimic the reported post system with some CSS edits.

You completely missed my point o.O

I think so…

Haha, I meant to mod the reporting system to our needs, not just copy it. :)

One thing, if we do this, wouldn't that mean that a cup would be more based upon a single post instead of general behaviour of a person?

From: Markus
One thing, if we do this, wouldn't that mean that a cup would be more based upon a single post instead of general behaviour of a person?

I was thinking that as well but apparently you report several posts and they all get added to the same thread.

That way its not about one post ;)

From: Bobarkinator
I was thinking that as well but apparently you report several posts and they all get added to the same thread.

Current mod system is multiple persons report same post -> one thread, multiple posts (i.e. 'Harry also reported this post.').

Ok, maybe I'm wrong. That's just the sense I got from what people were saying.

Bummmpppp