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So I was thinking about a couple of new ways of getting Junior Members from Registered Users, to prevent the mass spam.

Currently they are:

-Wait 7 days
-Post 10 (non-spam) posts

Am I correct?


Well I was thinking, is the posting really needed, they'll have to wait whatever, so the 10 posts just encourages spam, a couple of my ideas are as follows:

1. Just scrap the posting bit, but keep the 7 days waiting, or perhaps make it slightly longer, then you can see who really wants to be here, have the patience, get to know the community etc.

2. This would only happen if the posting rule stayed (maybe even raised). Make a few of the more trusted SRL Members be allowed to lower post counts, so the Admins and Mods don't have to be doing it, as its a lot of work for a few people is a bit unfair. And if the SRL Members abuse this privelage (ie lower post counts when the posts aren't spam).
For this rule to be put into action there will have to be a certain defination of spam.



This probably won't happen, but I thought some people might think it was a good idea.

+1, most of the posts are like :

Oo nice script, I'll try it ! Thank you !

And some scripting ability should be required too.

I think it sounds like a great idea and I support it 100%.

I personally think you should have to prove yourself just to be a junior member ( show you know the basics of SCAR, know how to Auto properly and have Basic Scripting knowledge).

I rekon only basic understanding though.

And it would take a while for admins to check everyones ability. But then again it could come under the new people with SRL Members with extra powers.

Thanks for the support though :)

Perhaps a quiz(but a larger one) like the one on moparscape wouldn't be a bad idea, to see if they even took a look at the forum?

i'm agree although i'm not a junior member yet ^^

I think this forum is make to learn scripting, and not only take others scripts to auto.

Everybody can learn how to script if he want, and if he don't want to learn, this forul is not for him

(sorry if i made some mistakes :x)

This kind of thing had been discussed time and time again, I doubt anything will be changed.

From: Brain
This kind of thing had been discussed time and time again, I doubt anything will be changed.

+1;

Its not going to happen.

From: Brain
This kind of thing had been discussed time and time again, I doubt anything will be changed.

Even though that's probably true, I still support. Maybe 2 weeks, not posting requirement?

Or you can use systems already in place such as the report a post system. Works perfectly fine!

And no to giving SRL Member more privileges. Not even mods can reset post counts. That involves access to AdminCP and obviously we arent going to give anyone who is not an admin access to that ;)

From: Hobbit
Or you can use systems already in place such as the report a post system. Works perfectly fine!

And no to giving SRL Member more privileges. Not even mods can reset post counts. That involves access to AdminCP and obviously we arent going to give anyone who is not an admin access to that ;)

:(

don't shoot yourselves in the foot by shooting the ideas down by saying "it's not gonna happen". We are not a bunch of stubborn people unwilling to change. When good suggestions come up, and then get well developed there is a possibility things willl change.

I've been checking this thread since the beginning, and probably also has hobbit, and not posting just to let you guys go further deeper into the idea. So even if at the end you don't think anything will change it's still good to develop the idea.

Also, if you notice, hobbit only said no to more powers for members, and no to pot count thingy.

He didn't say anything about the post count requirement / time requirement because he is most likely considering how that might be good / bad in his head.

~RM

From: Hobbit
Or you can use systems already in place such as the report a post system. Works perfectly fine!

And no to giving SRL Member more privileges. Not even mods can reset post counts. That involves access to AdminCP and obviously we arent going to give anyone who is not an admin access to that ;)

You can give restricted access to the AdminCP to any user. Like only able to edit users. I think, not really sure though. Correct me if I am wrong :(.

Edit: Or you can create a special usergroup that can do that :p.

From: Da 0wner
You can give restricted access to the AdminCP to any user. Like only able to edit users. I think, not really sure though. Correct me if I am wrong :(.

Edit: Or you can create a special usergroup that can do that :p.

Yes but you cant define closely enough what people can edit.

Along with editing users is editing their ranks, access masks, permissions, anything.

So no.

And either way, why would we give it to an SRL Member over our moderators..? Seems kinda silly.

i re-read the thread and thought it over.

10 days wait, and some sort of test to get into JM. I am not sure if it would be possible to make it auto-JM depending on the test, but might be good idea. The test would contain a random mix of SRL Rules questions, Autoing Guidelines, and some very basic scar knowledge questions, and definitely some questions linked to how to auto properly.

I'd think that multiple choice questions would be the only sensible kind of questions.

But then again, as i said, i don't know how easy this would be to implement.

And Hobbit, i'm under the impression that most users do think mods can reset post counts when it is a Spam into Juniors case.

~RM

Having just gone through the post count thing myself, it does seem to me that it encourages the creation of many low-quality 'fluff' posts.

I'd like to see a greater focus on community ratings. Perhaps another bar graph indicator where rep is divided by post count (this could replace the 'today' graph, which seems to me to be a rather low-value indicator).

To avoid penalizing talkative members who like to socialize in the general forums, posts in forums that are primarily social in nature would be excluded from the post count calculation. (Ideally the calculation would be forum-specific, but that's a lot more involved, just excluding certain forums is a pretty easy query).

Just an idea.

From: Hobbit
Yes but you cant define closely enough what people can edit.

Along with editing users is editing their ranks, access masks, permissions, anything.

So no.

And either way, why would we give it to an SRL Member over our moderators..? Seems kinda silly.

I don't meant just any SRL Member, just some that are more trustworthy, like have minimal/no infractions. Otherwise we may get some people like Hey321 was who went and proved that SRL Members aren't always trustworthy (sorry Sandstorm, just an example).

And it would just be tried (if the method is possible) and if SRL Members abuse this, then it won't happen again.

From: Da 0wner
You can give restricted access to the AdminCP to any user. Like only able to edit users. I think, not really sure though. Correct me if I am wrong :(.

Edit: Or you can create a special usergroup that can do that :p.

I believe that you can only give access to certain areas, not just one function, then some SRL Members would go along and delete users.

From: Rasta Magician
i re-read the thread and thought it over.

10 days wait, and some sort of test to get into JM. I am not sure if it would be possible to make it auto-JM depending on the test, but might be good idea. The test would contain a random mix of SRL Rules questions, Autoing Guidelines, and some very basic scar knowledge questions, and definitely some questions linked to how to auto properly.

I'd think that multiple choice questions would be the only sensible kind of questions.

But then again, as i said, i don't know how easy this would be to implement.

And Hobbit, i'm under the impression that most users do think mods can reset post counts when it is a Spam into Juniors case.

~RM

Thanks for the support RM, and I like the idea, but like you I don't know how you can implement something like this, unless you do it in the SRL Member application style, and someone moderates it, then either lets them in or doesn't, depending on how many questions they got right.

Only problem with that it the mass amount of people who register here.

From: Rasta Magician

I'd think that multiple choice questions would be the only sensible kind of questions.

But with this idea, I think it would be necessary to continually update the questions as the answers could be leaked…
And give the test a time limit, noone would want a googler. :p

And I think that current junior members who have not submitted a script, or something that shows their knowledge in some way, should have to take this test in order to keep their current status…
I'm aware that this applies to myself, but I'm confident that I could come up with a script or pass a test. This would stop A LOT of leaching…

From: Richard

Thanks for the support RM, and I like the idea, but like you I don't know how you can implement something like this, unless you do it in the SRL Member application style, and someone moderates it, then either lets them in or doesn't, depending on how many questions they got right.

Only problem with that it the mass amount of people who register here.

Couldn't you make it auto accept them as a member if they pass a certain % of the questions?
This can easily be done using JavaScript.

From: Richard
Thanks for the support RM, and I like the idea, but like you I don't know how you can implement something like this, unless you do it in the SRL Member application style, and someone moderates it, then either lets them in or doesn't, depending on how many questions they got right.

Only problem with that it the mass amount of people who register here.

How do you think MITB does theirs?

What is MITB?

From: Richard
what is mirb?

moparisthebest

a test is quite stupid and unnecessary. This forum does not solely include rs scripts, nor does it only include scripts in general. By posting your scripts on a forum, you're basically making it public. Its very contradictory to want to have your script be public, yet want to restrict the people that can use your script. Theres barely a difference between non registered users and junior members. I think it would save a lot of annoyances if the whole rank was deleted and it was put back to the way it was.

I mean srsly, how much do you expect one person to want to do initially, when they've been given the chance to use your scripts. I'm sure that many people, if not most start out as people that are just in it for the money and whatnot, then they start to resent their ability to cheat being limited by others. Then they'll either whine and complain or they'll do something about it, and start to learn. Either way, when people that are in it solely for the money will tell you when there's something they don't like about your script, and it will be productive to you. If they go the other route, then they'll make their own scripts, and it will be productive to the community. By heightening the requirements, you're just making it harder for the community to grow, and diverting people that are simply curious away from the forums.

That being said, i don't think that there's that much point in the SRL members either, unless your argument is to distinguish between new people and older more recognized members, but it still doesn't make much difference and isn't that bid of a deal. In general though, i don't think that what a few people say is going to make much of a difference. There have been multiple threads discussing this and other issues, and most of them haven't been done much about. Its all up the admins to decide and us discussing it ourselves doesn't really accomplish much (Though even as i'm writing this, im coming up with counter arguments to my own argument :)).

Richard this all still doesn't change the fact that you can report posts!

If it bothers you oh so much then why don't you do something about and actually report something?

You have the ability already to do something yet you chose not to, so IMO only people who have a right to complain about this are people who actually take the time to report something they see rather than doing nothing and bitching about it.

I used to report posts quite frequently, but I was told on MSN by someone (can't remember who) that it doesn't actually get viewed. But if thats untrue, I'm sorry.

From: Richard
I used to report posts quite frequently, but I was told on MSN by someone (can't remember who) that it doesn't actually get viewed. But if thats untrue, I'm sorry.

well, let me tell you that what you heard is completly untrue ;)

The reported posts actually make our job much easier, because we just have a look in there and go fix / take care of whatever is needed. Then the rest of the time we just do something because we're trolling the forums and bump into a thread / post that shouldn't be there.

~RM

Ahh, I'm sorry about that then. I'll make sure to report them in future.

Whoever said on this thread that we should remove the first rank altogether (can't remember who), I think that that encourages leechers even more, then thats what causes the mass bans, with overuse of scripts as they won't read the rules or anything.

From: Richard

Whoever said on this thread that we should remove the first rank altogether (can't remember who), I think that that encourages leechers even more, then thats what causes the mass bans, with overuse of scripts as they won't read the rules or anything.

You may be referring to me… However I meant that in order to keep the rank you would have to complete the requirements. Not lose the rank all together god no. :p

Oh sorry I miss-understood you :p

Yeah its definately needed as people would seriously abuse the privelage.

From: The Reeper
You may be referring to me… However I meant that in order to keep the rank you would have to complete the requirements. Not lose the rank all together god no. :p

i don't see how anything that you said, has anything to do with getting rid of the junior members.

@Richard - i really don't see how it makes much of a difference. There haven't always been junior members. And the difference between before there were, and after doesn't make any difference as far as i can tell. If people really want to leech, then they'll leach regardless of a ridiculously easy requirement. If anything that rank is turning people away, people that could have ended up being great contributors to the community. Though from the way you worded your previous statement, you haven't even read my above post, so i don't see why I'm trying to convince you.

Oh yeah, I was going to read that but it was late at night and it looked big.

From: Can Dardin
i don't see how anything that you said, has anything to do with getting rid of the junior members.

It doesn't, it simply means they would have to earn the right to be where they are, not get rid of them.
If we are going to keep scar and autoing alive we will, as we always have; need more help than ever. Why would I want to get RID of anyone?

From: Can Dardin
i don't see how anything that you said, has anything to do with getting rid of the junior members.

@Richard - i really don't see how it makes much of a difference. There haven't always been junior members. And the difference between before there were, and after doesn't make any difference as far as i can tell. If people really want to leech, then they'll leach regardless of a ridiculously easy requirement. If anything that rank is turning people away, people that could have ended up being great contributors to the community. Though from the way you worded your previous statement, you haven't even read my above post, so i don't see why I'm trying to convince you.

Personally, I think it's spamming over leeching that is the real problem.

Leeching isn't as bad as spamming…

I've seen people spam things like this:

I'll check it out.

Then, 15 seconds later they double post by saying:

Nice script! Ran perfectly!

And guess what. That second post was his 10th post.

Tell me that isn't because he knew the limit was 10 posts.

Get rid of the 10 post limit, get rid of spammers.

I've noticed that the majority, around 90% of spams posts are users who aren't yet Jnr Member :p

Exactly. Because they know they have to get 10 posts, but they think that doing it fast will get them scripts faster.

From: TViYH
Get rid of the 10 post limit, get rid of spammers.

basically, that equates to deleting the junior member rank (other than the 10 day wait, which doesnt do anything)

I agree with taking out the jr member rank all together. To learn enough to pass the quiz and all that, it would take like 5 minutes. Then you get jr members. The only new thing that comes with the jr member rank is that the scripts! So, once they pass the quiz, most people will just leach the scripts anyways. But, earlier I did say I supported the idea of taking out the 10 posts. Spam is annoying, and I can say that I DO report it.

even though I am not a junior member yet I kinda agree that most of the 10 posts come from spam because people want to get it quickly. i kinda like the idea of a quiz and the waiting time period because the longer you wait the more acquainted you get with the site and the more you learn about scar like when i started this about 2-3wks ago i had no clue how to use scar but now autoing is really easy so we should take a quiz and have a time waiting period

From: yo123
even though I am not a junior member yet I kinda agree that most of the 10 posts come from spam because people want to get it quickly. i kinda like the idea of a quiz and the waiting time period because the longer you wait the more acquainted you get with the site and the more you learn about scar like when i started this about 2-3wks ago i had no clue how to use scar but now autoing is really easy so we should take a quiz and have a time waiting period

100% agreed.

Well I think this is a good Idea, but maybe instead of increasing the number of posts or days, each member should send a review on how juch they know of scar and etc like N C D S said.

Also there should be diffrent type of requierments, like if they can create a good thread about a perticular subjetc, one that not evryone would have to limit copying.

I agree. I am getting tired of people leeching scripts and not posting any progress reports. Or leeching the scripts and claiming as its their own.

from my understanding from reading the post's is that you want to up the waiting time to become junior member im up for that just shows dedication also i know you have to wait 1 week till junior but people have to be doing thing's like registering posting 10 useless comment's then just leaving the site for one week maybe you should for all registered user's check there activity for that week to make sure that they just didnt logg in the day they registered then waited a week to start leeching off other people

as for the test im up for it been studying all the tutorial's from everyone hopeing to try to script someday soon

well that's my peice hope to become a scripter soon
-fifa499

I support this idea to the fullest :)

Just hope some more people do and it get changed

From: kingstun
I agree. I am getting tired of people leeching scripts and not posting any progress reports. Or leeching the scripts and claiming as its their own.

People not posting problems usually means that there arent any problems, so they dont need any further assistance, and therefor, its not a problem.

You're always gonna have people that claim scripts as their own whether or not you raise the requirements.

Having a test is just a stupid idea. Firstly, the purpose of this forum is not solely for SRL scripting. Secondly, making it would be very annoying, and making it not cheat proof, dynamic, and automatic, would be even more so. Thirdly, before someone posts about this, or in agreement to this, would you mind just reading my first post, then if you still disagree tell me why. Cuz it seems that people are very short sighted and have no idea what they're talking about.

there are lots of high-quality jr. members scripts and i think this is a good idea.

I believe that Registered User spam could be combated by adding a 1 week wait time to the current 1 week every time they are infracted for spamming. Then if they just give 10 spam posts they will have those deleted and will have to wait for 2.5 months…

that might kinda work if there was word to go around, but since these people are new, they're not gonna be able to spread the word like "Wow! _____ got banned? What for? Oh! its for spamming his first 10 posts, i'd better not do that".

if you make the w8 longer u might actually lose people because they wont want to wait……

From: hobobob2
if you make the w8 longer u might actually lose people because they wont want to wait……

If they don't want to wait, then they are leechers and we don't really want them here anyways (shouldn't speak for everyone, but that's my opinion).

Raise the time requirement to 2-3 weeks and remove the ten post requirement? Would cut down the impatient people who just want scripts, and most likely spam as well.

~Sandstorm

From: Can Dardin
that might kinda work if there was word to go around, but since these people are new, they're not gonna be able to spread the word like "Wow! _____ got banned? What for? Oh! its for spamming his first 10 posts, i'd better not do that".

I kind of see what you are saying, but my idea wasn't to ban them it was to just add more time to their wait. The could receive a message stating that they now have gained 1 week of wait time for spam posting. Then they won't do it again because it directly affects them.

There would also be a starting warning that tells you the consequences of spamming.

From: Aser
I kind of see what you are saying, but my idea wasn't to ban them it was to just add more time to their wait. The could receive a message stating that they now have gained 1 week of wait time for spam posting. Then they won't do it again because it directly affects them.

There would also be a starting warning that tells you the consequences of spamming.

You'd be surprised how many "warning" posts on multiple forums that give the consequences of spam ^.^ They have like 6k+ posts of spam like, "Ok, I won't".

^.O

From: Aser
I kind of see what you are saying, but my idea wasn't to ban them it was to just add more time to their wait. The could receive a message stating that they now have gained 1 week of wait time for spam posting. Then they won't do it again because it directly affects them.

There would also be a starting warning that tells you the consequences of spamming.

hmm…indeed? that looks fairer. I still disagree with even having the junior member rank, but if there has to be one, that seems like a better solution.

Being a registered user, i actually agree with you. As i have been looking through the forums i have seen a lot of unwanted spam. I think a wait limit and a test is a good idea.
I know i may look like a bottom-feeder that isn't doing anything to help. But at the moment, mormonman my irl friend, is teaching me the ropes of scripting.

If changes were to be made they should be focused around encouraging new people to read tutorials and try out some coding, not on posting messages (these are probably RuneScape players, they're already very good at doing mindless, repetitive stuff to level up, don't challenge them!).

If anything, new guys should be barred from posting to the forums except perhaps in a forum which contains a series of stickies with a step-by-step cut-n-paste tutorials that get the new guys up to speed. Once they've gone through the hand-holding for a week or so, then they can be bumped up to a regular Jr. account.

The idea is just that encouraging people who don't have anything useful to say is a dumb idea. Instead provide the basic tutorial material in order, in one simple format and in one place, while not giving them incentive to post dumb crap all over. They'll be more likely to just be quite and RTFM.