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Selfless People/Acts Can’t Possibly Exist


Zodia

2009-02-19 01:29:59

Ever been on a bus? You’re on a bus that’s full; you are always going to see people giving up their seats for the elderly. Ask yourself why did they do that? The first answer most people would think of is that s/he is selfless. You couldn’t be more wrong. People do things that may appear selfless to satisfy their own inner set of values or morals. Every action we do is because there is something to be gained for us. Whenever the person is aware of it or not.

The desire of all humans is to increase one’s happiness. In any given situation a normal person would pick the path that would lead to happiness. If a person was put in a “your money or your life” situation most people would reason out to themselves that their happiness would be better satisfied by continuing to live other than die for their money. In many situations like giving blood or martyrdom we still decide that our actions will lead to greater happiness. The motivation may come from the promise of heaven, as in martyrdom or for a brief moment believe that we have done the right thing. We do it out of a belief, aware of it or not, that it is right, and that we will somehow benefit from it. This any action we do will lead to our greater happiness.

Everyone is selfish no matter what. This statement is true because selfishness is not even possible. Selfishness is driven by serving one’s feelings, values, or desires which is serving your being. Nobody chooses to be selfless because they hate it or are against it. People choose selfishness because they want to or do it because of their morals. The reason for choosing it is irrelevant; the reason always satisfies some aspect of their being. Even a person giving some spare change to charity, they don’t really want to do it, but still do it because their morals, virtues, and beliefs are driving him to do it. No person could bring themselves to reach this decision without a selfish reason.

The concept of selfishness is a sacrifice of our values to benefit others. The sacrifice of values cannot lead to happiness. Happiness is the joy that is produced from satisfying our values. Every action has a purpose, values guide our actions, and the ultimate purpose is life. The only other path available is to die. As in the “soldier covering the grenade” example, to act on that supposedly selfless act he would have already decided that the other people’s lives were more important than his. To achieve his greater happiness he must kill himself rather than let the people around him die when he could have done something to prevent it. Since selfishly pursuing ones values is to achieve happiness, selflessness is the guide to achieve suffering. To be selfish is to live. To be selfless is to die.

Selfish people and acts don’t exist. They do seemingly selfless acts to satisfy their inner values. To pursuit ones own happiness they must be selfish. Only selfishness allows mankind to move forwards. Only selfishness accepts man has the ability to think and this rational thought is needed for our continued existence. This is why selfless people and acts cannot possibly exist.

- Taken from www.shitsngiggles.tk forums

Method

2009-02-19 01:35:42

What do you want people to discuss? This seems almost like the religion debate where you tell us you're right and that's that. Perhaps a question to answer or some sort of lead in to a discussion on a specific point of this would help out.

JAD

2009-02-19 01:41:02

This is stupid. There are people that exist that do nice things just to make the world a better place, not to satisfy their own inner set of morals and values. People who are in the war dieing for their country, you are going to say that they are selfish people? Sure they maybe there to make a living as well, but what if the enemy is trying to torture important information out of them, but they refuse to talk. Is that selfish? That's doing the best thing for your country, obviously not the best thing for yourself.

I don't know if you believe in god, but if you do, then think about Jesus. He was a completely selfless man.

The Claw

2009-02-19 02:44:50

The title of this topic is correct even though I didnt read the actual post. Look up "The Selfish Gene"

JAD, all those examples ARE to do it to satisfy themselves. Eg, people who don't give up information would be disgusted with themselves/couldnt live with themselves if they did cause they'd feel so bad about it - due to their morals and caring for others. So, they don't give up the information.

It's impossible to know people's real motives behind doing things, but EVERYTHING can be explained as if it was done for self-fulfillment.

Zodia

2009-02-20 00:44:08

I am doing this for an essay at school somebody rate it or something so I can get an idea of where I am.

gerauchert

2009-02-20 01:24:36

Its like a catch-22…

No matter what you do, it is considered "selfish". Lets say for example you choose to save people from a burning building and no matter how selfless it looks there may have been unconscious motivation to do so for "selfish" reasons. If you choose not to save the people from the burning fire you are also being selfish for looking after your personal safety over the safety of others.

Technically they are both "selfish" acts, however society does not consider the courageous act one of "selfish" intentions. Selfish and unselfish are best left to your personal definitions. I for example think that if the benefit is greater for the other person than yourself it is unselfish. Basically its up to personal speculation…

jones2644

2009-02-20 02:33:23

there are people in that world that are selfless my brother found $48,000 cash and returned it for nothing last month

ill update this post when i find the video it was on the news

Ruroken

2009-02-20 03:58:59

Yo, that's wrong mang.

corn77

2009-02-20 10:45:57

Hello Zodia,

I would agree that many times people do kind deeds out of selfishness, but I would argue that this is not always the case. Flawed motives are always an issue with humans, as I can see it evident in my own life. Selfishness drives many people to do things for their own happiness. This can be seen everywhere, sacrificing there time, position, or w/e just so that it provide benefit in the long run. I am not saying all motives are this way, but it is dominant motive in human lives.

Let me give an example from my own life. In high school, I wanted to be accepted by the majority of people there. This is a common desire by people. So of course I did everything in my power to one, watch the way I acted around the "popular people" and convey myself to act as if I was one of them. Secondly, I would be very kind to those popular people, or my friends, this motive was hung on the desire for them to accept and befriend me, so that in turn I would get happiness from it. All these thoughts weren't clear and open at the time of high school, but they were there. Even now I struggle with this certain motive and desire with all my being to destroy it from my life. Of course, I cannot do this with my own power.

Always a pleasure. :-)

corn

mixster

2009-02-20 10:52:32

This has already been discussed on Friends and I think Phoebe came up with an answer. You can do an unselfish act, but you wouldn't. You can give money to a rich, snobbish person. The money you would've spent on better things. The rich person won't appreciate or thank you in any way for it. You get nothing back except feeling you shouldn't have done it. You go against your morales, judgment and so much more and voila, a selfless act.

Zodia

2009-02-25 23:38:04

This is my essay for a speech competition thingy. Tell me how you would rate it.