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Two days ago, I was mugged. Six youngsters (15-17 in age) of black skin colour teamed up on me.

They threw me down to the ground, lift me up, took me into a small street and pushed me up against the wall.

Two of them took out a knife while a third one would film the scene.

They said : "Give me your money and phone unless you want to get hurt.".

As they saw that I didn't do anything, one of them hit me in the face with some lock (chain). That broke my nose, two teeth and a little (less severe) injury in the lower part of the skull.

They said : "Hurry up, take it out !".

I took out what they wanted and before they left, they hit me several times in the face (to blood) and told me not to tell ANYONE of what happened.

I went home, my parents were shocked of what happened, I told them everything (against the muggers' will) and we went to the police station and told everything.

As a result, I got bandages over a great part of my face and I'm scared almost everytime I go outside.

I see a black person who walks the same road as me, I panic.
I see a black person look at me, I panic.

Do I sound racist ?

Anyways, before this event, I didn't understand racists at all.

Yet, now I'm not 100% sure, but I don't HATE black people, I know that they aren't all like this but I'm still scared.

Again : Please excuse me if I sounded racist and you were offended.

No, you could have been mugged by 6 white dudes too so it's not racist for you to feel scared of them for a few months while you're physically and mentally recovering from this "accident"

Anyways, my advice would be to start practicing some sort of martial arts like muay thai, taekwondo or w.e..

or you could start running so you have better chances of defending yourself next time….

Sorry for what happened man.. =/

Well I do take Ju-Jitsu lessons, but I'm a 155 cm long, 14 year old boy against 6 15-17 years old where two of them have knives.

Thanks for your support.

Yeah I guess then it would be really hard to resist anyway.. =/
and you're too young to be carrying a "safety" gun =/

I wonder : How do you feel after having done such a thing ? I mean, you remember it for the rest of your life…

Yeah, sadly, we have people in this world who think it's "cool" to beat up a guy with 4-4 of their friends helping him..

Not really racist. And the problem with martial arts tends to be that you never really get kicked/punched at etc., just slow motion moves and nothing like a real situation + in an actual fight you don't have time to think rationally and memorize the crap so you might get beat up anyway. And well, you'd have to be bruce lee or something to win in a 6 vs 1 situation anyway.

E:

From: Hugolord
Yeah, sadly, we have people in this world who think it's "cool" to beat up a guy with 4-4 of their friends helping him..

The people that first pick a fight with someone, get beat up and then start whining and call all their friends to help are more sad IMO (if they have to start a fight they should be able to take the consequenses). And that seems to be quite common around here. If someone fights with someone the loser whines to all people he knows and they start threathening the winner so the winner tells all people he knows and blabla.

Some of my friends have been mugged too, each time it was a black/maghrebian group who hurt them.

EVERY TIME.

Of course there must be times when white people do it too.

Thats what I mean. I'm scared of blacks now :(. HonestlY.

Colour doesn't mean anything.

From: Dr D. Dervish
Some of my friends have been mugged too, each time it was a black/maghrebian group who hurt them.

EVERY TIME.

Of course there must be times when white people do it too.

Thats what I mean. I'm scared of blacks now :(. HonestlY.

Depends on the area where you live at. If there are white people in the same situation (assuming the people who mugged you don't live in the best conditions ever) you might be mugged by white people then. I really doubt people would do that for fun.

iv been mugged by black and white people.

you shouldnt beat yourself up for thinking racist thoughts in your situation, if you were mugged by giraffes you'd probably be scared of them instead.

Probably…

Its just that my reaction would be close to paranoïa.

I see a black youngster who takes the same street as I do, I get scared and walk faster.


I live in one of the richer parts of Paris close to Malesherbes if anyone knows it.


Its true, probably the situations they live in from the start which makes them do these things.


I just can't understand how they can do so much damage for just an IPhone and some money.

I mean, these two teeth, I can't fully replace them ever. My nose won't look the same as before, EVER !

From: Dr D. Dervish
Probably…

Its just that my reaction would be close to paranoïa.

I see a black youngster who takes the same street as I do, I get scared and walk faster.


I live in one of the richer parts of Paris close to Malesherbes if anyone knows it.


Its true, probably the situations they live in from the start which makes them do these things.


I just can't understand how they can do so much damage for just an IPhone and some money.

I mean, these two teeth, I can't fully replace them ever. My nose won't look the same as before, EVER !

Their situations dont make them do anything. That is the problem with a lot of people now-a-days. They say "oh poor me i live in a craphole, give me money!" instead of saying "Damn i live in a shithole, i wanna make something out of myself" Dervish you my friend are an enabler, you are justifying what they did to you. There is no justification at all, they could go and get a job and actually help society rather than hinder it and take from someone else. All that is doing is bringing society down as a whole, and the whole hip-hop genre now doesnt help at all. It isnt honerable to be a theif it isnt cool. People are making it seem that we and perpetuating that thought.

I dont blame you for being careful. I went to maryland last summer with my best friend and me and his little sister got left at a train stop, in Baltimore. A 15 year old boy and a 10 year old girl left alone in a fairly secluded area with not many people around is not a good thing. There were black people around but i wasnt as careful of them as i was of the white boys acting like theyre gangsters. The truth is you have to be careful no matter what color they are.

But doesn't mugging have a root ?

I mean, something must make these people feel the need to do this (or something) something must have troubled them..?

Of course I'd be suspicious if white guys were walking behind me the exact same streets….

Dervish you my friend are an enabler, you are justifying what they did to you.

I don't really know if I agree with that.

From: Dr D. Dervish
But doesn't mugging have a root ?

I mean, something must make these people feel the need to do this (or something) something must have troubled them..?

Of course I'd be suspicious if white guys were walking behind me the exact same streets….



I don't really know if I agree with that.

Sure it does, the root is it is accepted by pop-culture as a "cool" thing to do. 17 year old boys dont have to pay taxes, most (there are too many exceptions) of the time they dont have to provide for themselves.

My point is that you saying "They are doing it because they have such bad circumstances" is justifying it. If you justify it then it is okay for them to do it again as many times as they want. Thereby making you an enabler.

Oh I get what you mean for "enabler", I didn't mean it that way.

What I meant is that :

There is no excuse for doing such a thing, merely an explanation.

There is a great difference between both.

From: Dr D. Dervish
Oh I get what you mean for "enabler", I didn't mean it that way.

What I meant is that :

There is no excuse for doing such a thing, merely an explanation.

There is a great difference between both.

Oh okay. Well the explination is what i posted a couple posts up. I dont hate any race of people, only people too lazy to try to lift themselves up. http://www.maniacworld.com/are-you-going-to-finish-strong.html

Usually it's because people like the muggers have bad home lives i.e, they might get beaten at home, there parents may have split up. I'm not defending them, but i do feel a certain sadness for these people.

Not justifying their actions, but they do them for a reason, poor background means its harder for them to get out the trap, thus they resort to mugging, it's like if you were poor, meaning nohigh-class education, no good qualifications, menaing little out your life, thus they have no care becuase they believe they havea doomed future, and the poor factor means, their parents are unableto provide the latest gadgets which me, you and others have, seeing them making them guys want it, and due to easy option they took it from you, or maybe because they have hardened souls, with no conscience and the look out for general freebies..

Just trying to give you an insight becuase you asked for the root…

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Stuff like this will NOT be tolerated!![/admin]

From: ConneX
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And I love black people for beating you.

From: ConneX
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Why..?



Dervish, if a mexican beat me up. I'd do the same as you.
If and indian attacked me, I would do the same as you.
If a noidea attacked me, I'd do the same as you.


Its just natural.
Good luck.

From: ConneX
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I hoped they made orange juice out your stupid ass. I would of done the same if you called me a nigga..

Anyways, you need to go to therapy cuz u got problems. If you get into a fight in school and get knocked out, your gonna be scared of all the kids in school? Get help ASAP.

photos please

this is epic…. though no offence, i think its over exagerated

How can I prove you ? I kept my broken teeth, might take a photo of that as I don't want to show irl pics of me on forums, no offence.

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Thats an offencive word for black people, you wanted it.

From: Santa_Clause
And I love black people for beating you.

+1

From: benjaa
photos please

this is epic…. though no offence, i think its over exagerated

Pics or it didn't happen. Sorry for your loss, I think I would have jumped them as soon as they made a move, before they had the knives out if I read correctly.

Buckleyindahouse and Hugolord, you both deserve to be shot. In the knee.


Anyhow, reach for the persons throat and wrap your middle finger and thumb around their windpipe, grab hard, and pull. I can assure you the rest would leave quickly, as for the one unlucky bastard, he's dead. Or just grab anything they swing at you, I trust you know how to catch a chain without breaking your hand.

If you at least fight back they might leave. Claim they'll just beat your ass harder? Wrong, although they might say they won't hurt you if you cooperate, most criminals are lying.

From: R0b0t1
Buckleyindahouse and Hugolord, you both deserve to be shot. In the knee.


Anyhow, reach for the persons throat and wrap your middle finger and thumb around their windpipe, grab hard, and pull. I can assure you the rest would leave quickly, as for the one unlucky bastard, he's dead. Or just grab anything they swing at you, I trust you know how to catch a chain without breaking your hand.

If you at least fight back they might leave. Claim they'll just beat your ass harder? Wrong, although they might say they won't hurt you if you cooperate, most criminals are lying.

Firstly, fuck you. I don't support racist people so if you're racist I will have no respect for you.

Second, no, these guys would kill you if you tried anything.
Oh come on, grab their windpipe when there's 5 other guys around him?
You think they'd leave if you hurt one of their friends? Wrong again, they'd stay just to get back at you for hurting on of their "gang" members.
Oh and good luck grabbing a knife when it is coming directly at you, to stab you, in the nuts.

[admin]If ANYONE makes another comment like ConneX did they will be SEVERELY punished! Comments like that are not welcome anywhere let alone these forums and it will not be tolerated!

This is the only warning![/admin]

From: Hobbit
[admin]If ANYONE makes another comment like ConneX did they will be SEVERELY punished! Comments like that are not welcome anywhere let alone these forums and it will not be tolerated!

This is the only warning![/admin]

I can't remember exactly what his post said, but if it was the one that went something along the lines of using a certain racist word and getting beat up, then what are you banning for? An infraction, IMO, would be more than enough. It's just a word; I think the people were more wrong for beating him for using a word than he was to say it in the first place.
Again though, I'm not exactly sure what the post said..

From: bullzeye95
I can't remember exactly what his post said, but if it was the one that went something along the lines of using a certain racist word and getting beat up, then what are you banning for? An infraction, IMO, would be more than enough. It's just a word; I think the people were more wrong for beating him for using a word than he was to say it in the first place.
Again though, I'm not exactly sure what the post said..

His post basically said he was racist to a group of black people and then they beat him up.
then he's racist again.

And yeah, Hobbit is admin I think it's his decision and he can make it alone =)

From: Hugolord
Firstly, fuck you. I don't support racist people so if you're racist I will have no respect for you.

Second, no, these guys would kill you if you tried anything.
Oh come on, grab their windpipe when there's 5 other guys around him?
You think they'd leave if you hurt one of their friends? Wrong again, they'd stay just to get back at you for hurting on of their "gang" members.
Oh and good luck grabbing a knife when it is coming directly at you, to stab you, in the nuts.

I do not support racist people either. Along with that, there are a number of things I do not agree with in the worldly society today; this does not mean that you have to use profanities to let those people know what you are saying.

Second, I agree that violence would probably not be the best answer…. if these situations were to keep occuring to me… I personally would not stand by and let them keep happening. Hurting one of the group would most likely provoke the rest of the group to act further. If you are wanting to fight back, then you truly will need to understand how/when such actions are necessiary. If I were in a gang, I probably would not keep fighting if I just say half of the group get taken out by one dude….I am not promoting violence, I am just replying and saying how I would act. … and if a knife were either coming at my testicles or my throat, I would have no problem reaching out and having my hand severed in attempt to stop it.

Dr D. Dervish, I am sorry that you ever had to experience this. This sort of behavior is unacceptable, no matter the circumstances. Yes, you have been scarred, and yes you will be scared of a certain ethnic group moreso than others. These are things that life brings. These situations prove that people need help. It is true that if you were mugged by people of any other race/color/creed that you would be afraid of people who may feel it unfortunate that they too share the same color of skin. It is not one specific color of persons that have a problem, it is people as a whole. I hope that you never have to experience this situation again. Unfortuantely, this is all part of growing up. We all have to learn to deal with the crud and the not-so-crud that life brings. It is not the situations but it is how you handle them and yourself that makes you the adult you will mature into. I hope that you are able to forgive (not forget) these people and you are able to handle yourself accordingly if a situation similar were to ever arise. Finding the true answers to your situation will come from you personally. You need to decide the correct course of action for your life. If you have a good relationship with your parents (or some other adult who you would trust to help you make these decisions) I would ask them for help. Then I would ask them for support in the course of action you choose to follow. (example being: take a self defense class… and maybe psychology…. to help talk people out of something…)

I am outraged at the level of posting that has been going on here. … that too is unacceptable… if you have some personal vandeta against a particular group… than that is between you and them… don't go throwing it around on a forum where it is not needed… and certainly not helpful.

That sucks man, but you just need to be glad they only took your physical possessions, and not take your life also. And about being scared of them because they are another race is normal: there is some hormone that is triggered in the brain when you see other races, and that is why usually in screamer / shock video files they will flash scary faces of many races. I can not dig up the Wikipedia article on it right now, but I remember reading about it a while back. But you can also get therapy if you think that your fear is unnatural, or out of hand, IE you get violent near other races.

And just a thought for the future, try to stay indoors when it gets close to being dark, and avoid places where there will not be people around that you can yell for help to, should you get in trouble.

Wrong, you would kill one of their friends. I think they'd go away. It shows you're more likely to kill than they are. You could just repeat the process.


My point above being, you should not be mad at someone for calling you a name. It's a word.

EDIT: You don't grab the knife, you grab their hand. I also don't see why anyone should be punished for calling someone a nigger.

How can I prove you ? I kept my broken teeth, might take a photo of that as I don't want to show irl pics of me on forums, no offence.

oh thats lucky… i thought we were about to see some real proof that this actually happened..

I think a lot of you are missing the point here… he mentioned (I think) that he's about 155 cm tall. He's against six people, probably all bigger than him, two of whom have knives.
1) You'd be lucky to knock one of them down before the other 5 had started stabbing or beating you
2) Properly disarming someone of even a short knife takes a bit of training, let alone two people

That's really terrible that that happened to you, but it doesn't make you racist. Expecting black people to attack you because they're black is racist. Expecting black people to attack you when others already have is more of a psychological/physiological response.

From: bullzeye95
I can't remember exactly what his post said, but if it was the one that went something along the lines of using a certain racist word and getting beat up, then what are you banning for? An infraction, IMO, would be more than enough. It's just a word; I think the people were more wrong for beating him for using a word than he was to say it in the first place.
Again though, I'm not exactly sure what the post said..

I did give him an infraction, just so happens that it was worth enough points he got an auto temp ban.

The way I see it, if you have experience with a group of people that leads you to think a certain way of similar people, it's not racist/sexist/whatever. There's a lot of cultural influence involved too. My school is in one of the worst parts of my city, but there's this "Academy" program where they also stick the super-smart people too. Because of that, we get the nerdiest white kids in the city and the ghettoest black kids in the city too. We have very few other minorities, and you can usually get a feel for how a person is trying to behave just by looking at their clothes/accessories. I don't think this has to do with race or differences in genetics or wealth, just the desire to fit in, and the options that the current culture gives them, which does discriminate.

I must ask though, why are there very few stereotypes of black people but white people are so diverse? I mean that in the way of being a geek, prep, scene, emo, punk, athlete, goth, wigger, etc. I think part of the problem is that society doesn't expect black people to be much other than either a businessman-type (acting "white") or a gangster.

I guess I'm sexist (though there are real chemical and genetic differences between guys and girls, so it can be more or less justified), but I tend to find judging people by the way they dress and act is a lot more effective then not even looking past the color of their skin (ignoring tattoos as skin color :p)


Edit: Too much first-person? I suck at writing

I don't know.

You're there, against 6 15-17 years old, 2 of them have knives, 1 is filming.

You're scared, shocked, you never expected this to happen, you don't know what you can do, you shake, you can't defend yourself, they hit you, you just can't stop looking at the knives like if they were getting closer every second.

It was horrible to be honest.

Now : I don't take the metro anymore, I try to go home when friends do and I don't expose any valuable stuff…

I wish this never happened :(.

I don't know how racists thinks, but they are idiots.

To be honest you couldn't handle a situation like that unless you've been into loads of trouble before…

In my area it's a little different, there are black people only age 12-16 and for every one of those there are atleast 10 white people age 14-30 :p So if shit happens it won't happen again…


Sad to hear what happened to you, I doubt that it'll make you feel better but to be honest, things like these just reflect their own life…


(GoF, u might've heard the song by Oranssipaska…)

From: R0b0t1
Wrong, you would kill one of their friends. I think they'd go away. It shows you're more likely to kill than they are. You could just repeat the process.


My point above being, you should not be mad at someone for calling you a name. It's a word.

EDIT: You don't grab the knife, you grab their hand. I also don't see why anyone should be punished for calling someone a nigger.

Oh, yeah. I wanna see you being 155 cms and "killing" on of the 6 people beating you up and then expect them to go away.
You don't just kill someone like that.
You think that while you're trying to kill one of them the other will just calmly wait and watch?

I don't think you have ever experienced this kind of situation before.

And even if they ran, you're a murderer now…

Woah, someone filmed it? That's like epic proof.. if they ever get caught, or post their video somewhere, you have dead proof that can send them off to jail for a very long time.

From: Hy71194
Woah, someone filmed it? That's like epic proof.. if they ever get caught, or post their video somewhere, you have dead proof that can send them off to jail for a very long time.

I went to the police station, they have like… A database or library of some kind with Muggers who have been caught and they asked me to look through it and tell if I recognized any but I didn't :(.

They'll probably film it to "act cool".

I cant believe people are saying that he is lying? Your one sad fucker if you think that someone makes this kind of shit up?

No your not racist. I cant say I understand what your going through, I have no idea. I have never been in a fight and there are no people around my area that have the mentality of these people. I can only hope it does not harm you for life.

@ Robot: Yeah, I'd like to see you at 14 and 155cm tall murder someone in self-defence. Fucking idiot.

From: Torrent of Flame
I cant believe people are saying that he is lying? Your one sad fucker if you think that someone makes this kind of shit up?

No your not racist. I cant say I understand what your going through, I have no idea. I have never been in a fight and there are no people around my area that have the mentality of these people. I can only hope it does not harm you for life.

@ Robot: Yeah, I'd like to see you at 14 and 155cm tall murder someone in self-defence. Fucking idiot.

Well it physically and mentally harmed me for life to be honest. :(

My teeth, my nose…

And I'll never forget what happened.


Robot1 : if you're in one of these situations, you just can't get all ninja styled and beat them down.

Murder ? Stupid.

Well I guess you have the moral high ground. You know that you will never turn out to be like one of those people.

From: Torrent of Flame
Well I guess you have the moral high ground. You know that you will never turn out to be like one of those people.

If they only knew how it feels…

From: Dr D. Dervish
If they only knew how it feels…

They probably do. They probably grew up in a broken home which drives them to do shit like this. Or they are weak minded and thus are easy targets for gangs. They have problems too. I feel for you and them. Although they are fucking idiots. I have sympathy for you, over those hooligans.

Well if they do know… Why do they do it ?

Because thats all they know how to do. Its the complexities of the human mind. Why does anyone do anything? Noone knows. Human instinct. One has to triumph over another, pack instinct etc.

From: Hobbit
I did give him an infraction, just so happens that it was worth enough points he got an auto temp ban.

Ah, ok. Your post led me to believe that you banned him for a week specifically for it.

From: Hugolord
Oh, yeah. I wanna see you being 155 cms and "killing" on of the 6 people beating you up and then expect them to go away.
You don't just kill someone like that.
You think that while you're trying to kill one of them the other will just calmly wait and watch?

I don't think you have ever experienced this kind of situation before.

Well, you don't seem to understand that move takes less than 3 seconds (there's little training involved). There's not really any time to stand around.

DrD: It's you or them :)


You may interpret the situation however you want, but you might not ever know unless you talk to them.

R0b0t, we are trying to clarify that if you kill one of them you've still got 4 left and now you're dead for sure.

From: R0b0t1
Well, you don't seem to understand that move takes less than 3 seconds (there's little training involved). There's not really any time to stand around.

DrD: It's you or them :)


You may interpret the situation however you want, but you might not ever know unless you talk to them.

wow.. if you're 155 cm you're lucky to REACH their neck…

This isn't like a Hollywood movie R0B0t, its real life.

From: R0b0t1
Well, you don't seem to understand that move takes less than 3 seconds (there's little training involved). There's not really any time to stand around.

DrD: It's you or them :)


You may interpret the situation however you want, but you might not ever know unless you talk to them.

Three seconds is ALOT of time.

Within two seconds they already stabbed you.

I suggest you to stop posting stupid "Super Hero" stuff on here.

The reason you probably flinch (or feel scared) is because black people are different. The easiest way to get around this is just think of them as your normal, average citizen, and not of anything else. It's not racist because anybody can see what you're going through.

~thed

From: thedetro125
The reason you probably flinch (or feel scared) is because black people are different. The easiest way to get around this is just think of them as your normal, average citizen, and not of anything else. It's not racist because anybody can see what you're going through.

~thed

True…. anybody can see and truly could understand the situation… unfortunately, people seem too inclined to post idiotic posts and pretend they really are something and know that they are talking about.

Dr D. Dervish, thedetro125 is correct (and a few other people have been too) no you are not racist. This experience will hopefully be something that you can, over time, learn to grow from. You personally knowing what it feels like, I hope that if you decide to learn how to take a more forceful approach that you never abuse you knowledge. In regards, I hope you are feeling better.

Well, then, if you think it's extraordinary, so be it. Superhero would be taking all of their knives and then forcing them all to their knees.

I'm not even going to argue with you about that.

From: R0b0t1
Well, then, if you think it's extraordinary, so be it. Superhero would be taking all of their knives and then forcing them all to their knees.

Just wondering have you killed someone before?

Silly people. Do you not know that R0b0t1 is leetness incarnate?

He's killed muggers in his sleep before, then sexed with the damsel in distress. (When there wasn't even any damsel in distress to sex!)

Anyways. I've been wanting to post this the entire time I've been reading this thread. Mind you, it's entirely in good humor, and reflects in no way upon my true feelings of this thread. It's also been posted on this forum by another respected member of this community. It should be fine.

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