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Yes, these seem to be popular right about now. I'm not very sure how many of these "clans" exist, as the more secretive may be more successful and subtle, but odds are a good many go down the drain because of lack of members or lack of cooperation between the members. I was thinking about starting one of these (without it breaking up :p).

To me it's not really important if I make that much money (although it may be to you), but that I learn how economies work, besides the basics and all of that. I plan on learning how stuff really works, why common sense isn't always the answer.

I'd be willing to let some people join me (after all, I need some buying power) but I'd ask, just like other clans, that they not say what we are buying or when we are buying. This really isn't because of money, least for me, anyways, but it'd ruin the experiment (It'd also ruin the money-making aspect of it – people would buy out what we are buying because we'd already have a good portion). There really isn't much criteria (money etc) but I ask that you have at least a few million or so so you could try to buy some of the stuff we'd do, as the only things worth experimenting on are non-gatherables which are usually 100k+ each. As for everything else? Don't sell everything if it looks like it's dropping. I've heard that is normal. When I really do pick an item, I'd ask anyone that joins me to try to invest into that also. You're free to leave you some spare money to go PK'ing and whatnot, you don't need to try to hide it, but unless we either have lots of people or a few rich people (I myself don't actually have that much money), we'd need everyone to cooperate.

What is good, however, is that you don't need much money to bot :)

I'm simply telling everyone my idea for now, this probably won't start RIGHT AWAY, but I plan on having it start. So far, I'd like to keep it in members (I know you guy'll listen, and you're not complete idiots yourselves and will be able to help choose) to see how this might fare.


So, RIGHT NOW, I'd like you to post how much money you could possible spend… And the recommended trend you'd look for. (I am actually making a program to parse the GE results)

i dont get it . How does it work .. I wud spend about 500k .

I can have 15M+ or so in it.

I can put 3m+ in it to.

5mill +

If I don't need RS Members, I might be able to put in some mills. :)

If no members I can put in 7 mil

Hm, depends, but at least 5m, and maybe up to 50m.

I guess he was in a bit of a hurry when he made the opening post…

For those who don't know, it works like this: Everybody gets together and buys all [or rather, a lot] of a certain item. That, theoretically, makes the price skyrocket, due to a lack of volume. After a short while [couple of weeks, perhaps] everyone sells, all at the same time. ["At the same time" to ensure max profits for everyone.]

That, in turn, will force the price back down. Whether it's down below what it was before, or right at what it was before, I don't know. I've never done a drop before. But R0b0t1 mentioned on the IRC if he thought it'd be a good idea to make our own merchanting clan (MoD, but better, and more organized), and I said yes. We then began picking out a name, and arguing over which server the IRC channel would be hosted on ^_^

I'm not going to disclose either, however, without R0b0t1's permission. He's the leader of this project.

-Mike

around 10m.

tho M.O.D is losing $$$$ atm -.- due to noobs selling at low price -.- dummies :P

i was thinking to make a community too, just for SRL membys.(tho not enough) and if we get leechers/and junior leechers they can betray us idk its confusing:eek:

We would need a IRC channel (It would be cool), With password to ensure no leechers join

and a mini free host forum, though we must have alooot of members in order to do this.

i dont think just 100m will do any profit for us…

From: Markus
Hm, depends, but at least 5m, and maybe up to 50m.

:o oh dear.

anyway ill put in 3m+

From: jakeyboy29
:o oh dear.

The 50m is of a friend (IRL), but I can't tell if he wants to pitch in yet ;)

38M if f2p.

From: mastaraymond
38M if f2p.

70M. But only if it works, and if we only let people with more than 20M in. :)

70M. But only if it works, and if we only let people with more than 20M in.

Capitalist nub :p If no p2p needed and no Wizzup's evil plan, I can put in around 5m…

This will need an extreme amount of money to work. M.O.D. would not work if they didn't have enough money to buy all selling stock.

So even though Wizzup? says 20M+ that really isn't out of the question. I could get 20M+ if need be too.

5 mil + if f2p.

Also, we'd have to make this really secure, like a forum we could all visit but only accessed through a certain list of ips, so no one can tell their friends etc.

Hmm… 10-25 Mill depending on how much others are ready to invest.

this can actually work :O? only srl membys :)
lets do thissss

I can macro 10m.

If ftp ill put in 10m.

I think everyone should try to pitch in 10m+. 20m sounds harsh wizzup.

Free to play items would seem hard to merchant. What would be a rare item that is free to play? We're not talking actual rares here – more like combat equipment and some high-level consumables. I was thinking maybe… er… what is it… "bad" dragon equipment? How many people actually use that? Anyway, what I mean by "trends" is: do you look for a negative correlation, positive correlation, no correlation, or static correlation.

This will not work, even if you could raise the price of something it wouldn't do you any good because it would sell back at the same exact price or even less.

For this to ever even feasibly work you'd would need to buy at least 80% to control the re-buying price which is impossible unless you have a few thousand people investing 1 mil each at least… and to coordinate anything anywhere near effective is impossible.

Sorry to say, but having people buy a lot of something to raise the price and resell is a guaranteed waste of time and probably money.

Unless you can devise another method this will not work.

I can not currently think of any but if I do I'll say…

If a feasible plan is constructed I could put int 1-7mil or something

Edit:

I could of seen something the following scenario working before the removal of unbalanced trade and the invention of the G.E.

About 10 people all go and buy Abby whips for the standard price of 1000k and then go into World 2 in Falador garden and sell them for 1050k all advertising at the same time thus each member profiting 50k per a whip sold and controlling the price in a selected small isolated market

but trying to influence the GE is going to impossible but there should still be a way to use our resources to make money…. hmmm…

From: IceFire908
This will not work, even if you could raise the price of something it wouldn't do you any good because it would sell back at the same exact price or even less.

For this to ever even feasibly work you'd would need to buy at least 80% to control the re-buying price which is impossible unless you have a few thousand people investing 1 mil each at least… and to coordinate anything anywhere near effective is impossible.

Sorry to say, but having people buy a lot of something to raise the price and resell is a guaranteed waste of time and probably money.

Unless you can devise another method this will not work.

I can not currently think of any but if I do I'll say…

If a feasible plan is constructed I could put int 1-7mil or something

Well it does word with MOD ;)

From: NiCbaZ
Well it does word with MOD ;)

wha…??

Anyways… there has to be a way to use the same resources you all were planning on using to do something else to make money…. if only I could think of it… I'll have to get back to ya'll on this one.

Ice, it does work. M.O.D (so far the only one I've seen that is not invite only) only reported losses because someone sold early.

EDIT: We're not talking something like coal, that would be stupid. We're talking about mud-staffs and seers rings.

members i can submit 14-up to around 30-35m if there is a good scnrio of woreking that is

and off all my botters f2p around 30m too

the best merch clan is Acid or acidy?

something like that, friends in it need 60m in order to be in there

you can make up to 30-50m profit ea dump even more depends on the $$$$.

From: R0b0t1
Ice, it does work. M.O.D (so far the only one I've seen that is not invite only) only reported losses because someone sold early.

EDIT: We're not talking something like coal, that would be stupid. We're talking about mud-staffs and seers rings.

The same algorithm that makes the price of something rise will also make it lower once you sell everything (if you are ever able to)

However with supply and demand of limited items this may be possible because of temporary inflation(interesting concept)… so say you used seers rings.. you would still need a crap load of investments which I don't think are sufficient enough just yet maybe if more people join I might.

I guess what I'm saying is you really need to come up with an official detailed elaborate plan.

From: IceFire908
The same algorithm that makes the price of something rise will also make it lower once you sell everything (if you are ever able to)

However with supply and demand of limited items this may be possible because of temporary inflation(interesting concept)… so say you used seers rings.. you would still need a crap load of investments which I don't think are sufficient enough just yet maybe if more people join I might.

I guess what I'm saying is you really need to come up with an official detailed elaborate plan.

All you need is enough of an investment to "buy out" the market and keep it that way (buying at maximum) for a few days or weeks. The price rises, then you sell the items for quite a bit of profit each and the price plummets. M.O.D. has used this to their advantage for Mud Staves, and it looked like it worked out nicely.

This happens:
1. Merching clan picks item and buys at max a lot
2. other players begin noticing and also buy at max
3. merching clan waits a bit while other membs try to make $ (but fail)
4. merching clan dumps items at highest, players buy
5. massive flood of items happens, price drops.

I can add 100m+ maybe :D contact MSN - [email]charmlucky_@hotmail.com[/email]

From: _ChArMz
I can add 100m+ maybe :D contact MSN - [email]charmlucky_@hotmail.com[/email]

100M, cheap ass.

Yeah but please keep this SRL Members ?

I know I just became SRL Member but its much better this way, I THINK this would work.

Let's say we need at least 125M to start ? Or else not enough buys and the price won't rise enough.

200m ild say to get it started.

But what item and and when?

I never said I wouldn't come up with an official plan. Note the "This will not happen right now" in the original post.

I'd like to say it won't be everyone, some people are bound to leak the item or there is a large chance they will, not to pick on anyone ;)

I'd like to point out something about what Markus said. The price drops only because the people who bought them are selling, and receiving money. You can slow this by selling near max, hopefully…

How are you going to decide who to pick?

Longevity? Reputation?

I don't really see a reason to not let in any SRL member unless they became member like only a month ago or sooner..

Umm IceFire908 sorry to say but you are terribly wrong man. This method is known as dumping and has been around almost since the day that the GE came out. I've dumped several items with different groups and it works quite well. My first dump was a piece of barrows amour (whatever the skirt is), I only invested about 2m and made around 4-5m profit.

And why don't you guys just dead over to M.O.D ? Were in the middle of a dump and its not too late to join in on this dump. If we do start a dumping group here though, I'd be more than happy to join, I have about 18m+ and rising everyday.

From: Mjordan
Umm IceFire908 sorry to say

Yea I know..

I'm just waiting for the official plan now

From: IceFire908
Yea I know..

I'm just waiting for the official plan now

Oh alright lol just making sure that you knew it actually did work very well.

Trying to buy out a relatively rare item, with a relatively large amount of people with relatively low amounts of money (what MOD is doing) ends up screwing most of the people. I think using an item that is more in demand (meaning buying and selling will be easier), and just buying enough to effect the price (rather than try to buy it out) would be better.

Another thing: a merchanting group based soley or mostly on SRL members would have a big advantage. We can use our armies to to buy the stuff we are selling. Or we could write scripts to produce an item to play with.

From: Boreas
Trying to buy out a relatively rare item, with a relatively large amount of people with relatively low amounts of money (what MOD is doing) ends up screwing most of the people. I think using an item that is more in demand (meaning buying and selling will be easier), and just buying enough to effect the price (rather than try to buy it out) would be better.

Another thing: a merchanting group based soley or mostly on SRL members would have a big advantage. We can use our armies to to buy the stuff we are selling. Or we could write scripts to produce an item to play with.

or everyone team up make a MEGA script that will get us $$$$ , and than with that we can invest in this merchant group?

like the script can be what ever we think of. (a town powner or something)

From: Boreas
Trying to buy out a relatively rare item, with a relatively large amount of people with relatively low amounts of money (what MOD is doing) ends up screwing most of the people. I think using an item that is more in demand (meaning buying and selling will be easier), and just buying enough to effect the price (rather than try to buy it out) would be better.

Another thing: a merchanting group based soley or mostly on SRL members would have a big advantage. We can use our armies to to buy the stuff we are selling. Or we could write scripts to produce an item to play with.

Main account: buy item A for 900 each at a 900 base price (cheapest)

Main account: sell item A for 1000 each at a 900 base price

repeat

Bot accounts: buy item A for 1000 each

Bot accounts: sell purchased item As for 1000 each

until (whateveR)


Idk Boreas… that might work or won't work at all… using the bots to buy the supplies may only work once and thats only a small gain… but still is one… I'm not sure about what you would do with those supplies once you have them on your army besides like sell them to general store and use that money to buy more supplies at the 1000 each example mark.

The ultimate goal is to buy something for cheap before all this and then raise the price as much as possible (from the initial over buying on your main at the low price) and then using your bots to buy the item at the new desired hirer price level as an extra boost and then after the price is jacked up sell your bulk of items you had on your main for the new inflated value :)

So feasibly:

Spent a butt load of money on your main on something that isn't extremely rare or common but a good balance of that where you can effectively influence the price. once you find that item:

Spend millions on it on your main
Save it for later
Get on your bots
buy the item at the maximum rates
take the item you recieved and exchange it for cash at the general store
buy the item at the maximum rate and repeat
once the item has a huge inflated value sell your bulk of that item on your main

Edit: Dam or do you wait until after you try and sell the bulk (pending) to try and buy with your bots?

not a bad plan (of course you're going to need a dozen or more people all do the same thing) and there is still the question of which item to use…

From: ~~Joker~~
or everyone team up make a MEGA script that will get us $$$$ , and than with that we can invest in this merchant group?

like the script can be what ever we think of. (a town powner or something)

Such as Clayfter? Although, if this idea is used, they should have a couple separate scripts so one item doesn't go all the way down. But a whole town just sounds like MSI, which never has gone through completely. So I guess they could just get some people to work together to find a couple different money making methods (mostly F2P), if it goes this way I have a couple idea's I could contribute.

I can invest > 10m, if the official plan sounds good, and if I don't go on a spending spree.

Though, this sounds like it will basically only work for P2P. So could you set up a person with 'mule' accounts which will have P2P always (could donate pins so it's not all on one person), and will transfer autoer(s) cash to that account (of course, you'd have to set up a log of who gave how much, then find a correct 'splitting' method so everyone gets the correct profit for what they gave) and then transfer back to the supporting accounts, or too their main. There would be 3 different accounts, a higher(but not too high so it doesn't go over the limit for the crater eventually) level for the crater it's located in, so it has a better chance of survival. Of course this way would only be for people without the ability to buy member pins. I'm not sure how well this would work, unless you have a team of qualified transferrers, and it'd be kind of difficult to keep track of all this. It's just an idea, you could come up with a better way yourselves probably. :(

Well from what I've heard MOD made a big loss just because 1 GUY !!! felt like being a noob and sell too early.

We need TOTAL trust between each other if this happens.

What happened with MOD shows that you apparently can't trust ALL members of MOD.

This can result in either :

-Big loss for everyone
-Not too much matter
-Group being split for the above reasons.

We need a group with absolute trust, without trust we're just good to go throw our money in the toilets :(.

EDIT : What Items could work in F2P (in bulks) are :

-R2h's
-Rune Platebodies
-Corrupt stuff [not sure]

Basically anything thats over 25K should work, especially if its high in demand.

R2Hs are high in demand, its the strongest wep in F2P and alot of F2P buys them
Rune Plates are the best plate armour for F2P's thus making it high in demand
I'm not sure for corrupt stuff… They're so overpriced for only a short time of wearing them…

We could create a small sub forum. To discuss it with other members. And this will be a great opportunity to get more srl-members. Jr. members would want to be a part of it.

So the ppl who can join must be:
SRL-Member or higher.
Trused.
Must have been SRL-Member for more than X months if not above. (?)
More than X million gps.

And if anyone could make a program that shows the current GE history for the current item (it would find the current item-id by using a .php page or something.. x) )

[Off-Topic but not really] I think someone just invested in Water Tiaras..
http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem.ws?obj=1444&scale=1

The price increased by 103% in 30 days! 100m invested = 200m~ at the dump

well lets stop talking, lets do it! lol

if a admin can make a forum just for this, otherwise we can make our own free host forums and do this :P?

and the requirements are srl members+ and 5m?

If it's going to be a certain SRL member for X amount of months, your going to need to discuss the item on IRC (secret one), or another site that no one knows about except for the contributers.

From: Iron man
If it's going to be a certain SRL member for X amount of months, your going to need to discuss the item on IRC (secret one), or another site that no one knows about except for the contributers.

and only srl members can get the licence, (pw for the forum and all).

-i can make a invisionfree forum?-

Seems like a very cool idea, I could invest a couple Mill.

-The_Shermnator

TBH, not sure if ALL SRL members could be trustful, if you give access to ALL SRL members then I don't think this will work as some SRL members share stuff with ppl that aren't part of SRL or something like that.

From: R0b0t1

I'd like to say it won't be everyone, some people are bound to leak the item or there is a large chance they will, not to pick on anyone ;)

.

We're currently deciding on how we're going to pick members.

(I propose we go through, one at a time, and review each applicant. Deciding for ourselves if a member is trustworthy enough to join. I don't think it should be based strictly on longevity or amount of money.)

I can make a website for the clan if you guys want :rolleyes:

This is AWESOME money guys :D, even though I'm sure I won't be invited xD, I think this is a good idea and it should be looked into :rolleyes: .

I would say how long the person has been registered on the srl-forums, and thats srl-members.

And if he has vouches from other members, from other black markets etc.. That would help him/her get in.

Maybe reputation would help in picking members?
I do not have many reputation points, but some srl-members might have 0 reputation points, and I do not trust them like I trust Hugolord (example).

From: Zytex!
Maybe reputation would help in picking members?
I do not have many reputation points, but some srl-members might have 0 reputation points, and I do not trust them like I trust Hugolord (example).

Reputation is not a good way to measure. We've been on the edge of disabling reputation on SRL, since it has no advantages, at all.

From: Wizzup?
Reputation is not a good way to measure. We've been on the edge of disabling reputation on SRL, since it has no advantages, at all.

I would trust a new srl-member with 100 rep points more than a new srl-member with 0 rep points.. :/

From: Zytex!
I would trust a new srl-member with 100 rep points more than a new srl-member with 0 rep points.. :/

There are a few people with no rep at all who I'd rather give my phatz than someone with tons of rep though. Rep doesn't mean anything over here, besides rep-whoring level maybe.

We cant use rep for letting people in. Its really unstable…

From: Markus
There are a few people with no rep at all who I'd rather give my phatz than someone with tons of rep though. Rep doesn't mean anything over here, besides rep-whoring level maybe.

*Points at Hy71194*

A lot of reputation though is from tutorials which doesn't show really anything besides they may have made a good tutorial. Like me, I haven't wrote any tutorials and only have 43 rep points but I have been here awhile and they have accumulated. Some Jr. Members who have written tutorials probably have more reputation then I do though. I just think they aren't good to base anything off either.

Yeah, you guys are right.. I have more respect for HyperSecret than Torrent Of Flame even tho Torrent has 100% more than HyperSecret.. :p

so do yall want me to start with the website?(forums)

or is srl going to make a seperate(password protected) section?

From: ~~Joker~~
so do yall want me to start with the website?(forums)

or is srl going to make a seperate(password protected) section?

I suggest that either R0b0t1 or Jason2gs make a forum, if any.

Yes, what Wizzup said.

ATM, it will be situated on the IRC. If there will be a forum, we'll create one. Thanks for offering, though.

np :P just trying to help as much as possible :)

can't wait.

I can do about 3.5 mill

I would like to do this but only have 900k right now on my main:/ Once I get my money back up I will join. I have 3m on my f2p tho.

~Camo

Jason's strategy seems the most fair. Grab a forum very very top secret, get a secret IRC channel and one-to-one, interview people in. Wizzup + other admins, and maybe devs interested, could make sure your letting in the right people.

>15 mil

Oh, I already set up the IRC channel. It has a key, so you won't be able to join, but we have one.

As someone already said, reputation points don't count for much. It will probably be interview style. Also, we don't need to start recording history right now – there is a place that does it for us.

http://www.runecrypt.com/graph/1706 and http://www.runecrypt.com/scripts/price_graph.php?item=6583

EDIT: I'll make a different thread for applications or how to style the application, I guess. We need some people to help choose the items, I don't have the spidering program done.

I can throw in like 500k.

I can put 800K in F2P, can't sell member objects :/

Allright, i just lost my main to a perm ban about 1 week ago, but i started a new account im pulling in 500k+ a day with woodcutting, only 2mill atm but going up i think it should

> 10 Mill not 15 tbh.