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What is the meaning to life?

To be the best you can be, and hopefully fulfill your dreams.

Where you Referred to SRL? If yes, by whom?

No

Programming Knowledge

No other languages but SCAR. Contemplating learning Delphi though.

Other Communitys

M.O.D., My Clans forum, HoloHYDRA

How Long have You Played Runescape?

6~ years.

Are you affilated in anyway with Jagex LTD?

No

Please write down a paragraph about Yourself.

I'm hesitant to post this, because I know some people still don't like me all that much (with good reason as well), but Camo Kyle has backed me up in my decision to post this, and I trust his judgement, as he is a good friend.

I realize that I've made some bad choices in the past, and because of those choices, I know I probably won't get anywhere near the same welcome as I would have if I chose to do things differently. Despite this, I hope you guys will at least listen before passing judgment on me.

I know I used to be an immature little shit (sorry if the language isn't allowed), as well as getting pissed off at just about everything bad people said about me. Because of this, I've been trying ever since I realized this to turn it around, and I think I've been doing pretty well. I still do mess around and throw barbed comments at people, and I do get exasperated sometimes, but I haven't done anything like this in a while.

Anyways, enough of the soppy stuff. Time to do what this area asks for. I've been scripting for around a year and a half, with a 6-8 month break. Despite that, I believe I have improved a lot in this time, and I do thoroughly enjoy scripting when I'm up to it. I like to think I'm decently advanced in scar, but that could just be my ego talking.

Sorry for the five paragraph essay, but I had a bunch of stuff I wanted to say. If you read this far, thank you for taking the time to read it.

~Sandstorm

P.S. - There's no box to answer the meaning of life question :P.

Please Post a Sample of your Work. Only SCAR Scripts Accepted.

{.Script Info:
# ScriptName  = Sandstorm's Auto Dueler
# Author      = Sandstorm
# Description = Auto accepts and waits until duel is over
# Version     = 1.4
# Date        = Dec, 17th, 2007 (initial release, remake: November 29, 2008)
# Comments    = Err... None.
/Script Info
Credits:
Camo Kyle for doing just about everything that we could think
of to help. He's spent much of his free time in the past few weeks
helping me, and I don't think I could have made this script function as
well as it does without him helping me and commenting on what I could do
to make it better.
N1ke! for his UseSpecial function.
Narcle for his SpecialPercent function.
Thanks to Floor66 for his UpdateScript function; I edited it a bit.}
Program DuelTrainer;
{.include SRL/SRL.scar}

Const
  AllowArmorOff = False;  //Allow other people to turn armor off?
  AllowRuleChange = False;  //Allow other people to turn on/off rules?
  Multiplayer = False; //Use more then one player? IMPORTANT TO FILL OUT.
  Lag = False; //Do you lag? Increases waittimes if so.
  AddToWaits = 1500; //How much to add to the waits, if Lag = true.
  SRLStatsID = ''; // Your stats id
  SRLStatsPass = ''; // Your stats password
  CurrentVersion = '1.4'; // DO NOT TOUCH THIS!

Var
  x, y, wins, lost, duels, marking, lagwait, denied, dtm, duels2, CurrentDuels, CurrentWins, CurrentLosses, Currentdenied: Integer;
  First : Boolean;
  
procedure DeclarePlayers;
begin
  HowManyPlayers :=1;
  NumberOfPlayers(HowManyPlayers);
  CurrentPlayer := 0;

  Players[0].Name := ''; //username
  Players[0].Pass := ''; //password
  Players[0].Nick := ''; //3-4 letters from your username
  Players[0].Active := True; //Use this character or not?
  Players[0].integers[0]:=10; //Duels before switching
  Players[0].integers[1]:=20; //How much your special attack takes
  Players[0].booleans[0]:=True; //Use special attack?
End;

Procedure ScriptTerminate;
Begin
  Disguise('Won: ' + IntToStr(wins) + ' Lost: ' + IntToStr(lost));
End;

Function ArmorOff : Boolean;
Begin
 Result := FindColorTolerance(x, y, 114, 71, 55, 251, 259, 5);
End;

Function Challenge : Boolean;
Begin
  DTM := DTMFromString('78DA637CCCC0C0709C0105FC9F210FA619A17' +
       'CC6B7986A6000AEE635903843C09C4740E22CAA1A4F071354358A' +
       '40D64954351E76C6286A0038C70C9C');
  Result := FindDtm(DTM, x, y, MSX1, MSY1, MSX2, MSY2);
  FreeDtm(dtm);
End;

Function FindTextSand(Text: string; Chars, x1, y1, x2, y2: Integer): Boolean; Forward;

Function Duel : Boolean;
Begin
  Result := FindTextSand('duel with you (f', SmallChars, MSX1, MSY1, MSX2, MSY2);
End;

Function DuelScreen1 : Boolean;
Begin
  DTM := DTMFromString('78DA63BCC7C8C0E005C4C8E00C84828932BE0' +
  '5B23C08A8390B6479A2A9614055030065680518');
  Result := FindDtm(DTM, x, y, MSX1, MSY1, 228, 297);
  FreeDtm(dtm);
End;

Function DuelScreen2 : Boolean;
Begin
  DTM := DTMFromString('78DA63BCC7C8C0E005C4C8E00C84828932BE0' +
  '5B23C08A8390B6479A2A9614055030065680518');
  Result := FindDtm(DTM, x, y, 162, 288, MSX2, MSY2);
  FreeDtm(dtm);
End;

Function Accept : Boolean;
Begin
  Result := FindText(x, y, 'aiting for other', SmallChars, MSX1, MSY1, MSX2, MSY2);
End;

Function Accept2 : Boolean;
Begin
  Result := FindText(x, y, 'aiting for other', SmallChars, MSX1, MSY1, MSX2, MSY2);
End;

Function Fighting : Boolean;
Var
  I : Integer;
  ColorsToUse : Array of Integer;
Begin
  wait(100 + random(500));
  ColorsToUse := [8946705, 6382604, 9205778, 9405202, 8482576, 8944913, 6840077, 8422416, 8882961, 9339410, 9142033];
  For I:=0 To GetArrayLength(ColorsToUse)-1 Do
    Begin
      wait(100 + random(500));
      Result := Not FindColorTolerance(x, y, ColorsToUse[i], MMX1, MMY1, MMX2, MMY2, 3) And Not FindColorTolerance(x, y, 244, MMX1, MMY1, MMX2, MMY2, 15) And Not FindSymbol(x, y, 'altar') and Not FindSymbol(x, y, 'minigame') and not FindSymbol(x, y, 'bank') and not FindSymbol(x, y, 'minigame');
      wait(100 + random(500));
      If Not Result Then
        Break;
    End;
End;

Function Changes : Boolean;
Begin
  Result := FindColorTolerance(x, y, 665, 269, 54, 314, 247, 5);
End;

Function Won : Boolean;
Begin
  DTM := DTMFromString('78DA636C62646090056264D000A160A28C738' +
       '02C3922D4281350D30C6429E15703007FC604CE');
  Result := FindDtm(DTM, x, y, MSX1, MSY1, MSX2, MSY2);
  FreeDtm(dtm);
End;

Procedure SandWait(Time : Integer; Condition : Boolean);
Var
  TimeMark : Integer;
Begin
  MarkTime(TimeMark);
  Repeat
    Begin
      If Condition Then
      Exit
      Else
      Wait(1);
    End;
  Until(TimeFromMark(TimeMark) >= Time)
End;

Procedure Part2; Forward;

Procedure Part4; Forward;

Procedure FunDuel;
Var
  DuelMsg : String;
Begin
  If DuelScreen1 Then
    Part2;
  If Fighting Then
    Part4;
  Case random(6) Of
    0 : DuelMsg:=  ('funning all');
    1 : DuelMsg:=  ('fun dueling');
    2 : DuelMsg:=  ('funning everyone');
    3 : DuelMsg:=  ('dueling for fun');
    4 : DuelMsg:=  ('funning');
    5 : DuelMsg:=  ('funning anyone');
  End;
  TypeSend(AddMistakes(DuelMsg, 30));
  wait(100 + random(500))
End;

function SpecialPercent: integer;
var
  z: Integer;
  TPA: TPointArray;
begin
  GameTab(1);
  z := GetColorToleranceSpeed;
  ColorToleranceSpeed(1);
  FindColorsTolerance(TPA, 2985515, 572, 427, 712, 428, 80);
  ColorToleranceSpeed(z);
  result := Round(GetArrayLength(TPA) / 283.0 * 100.0);
end;

Function SpecialActive : Boolean;
Begin
  Result := FindColor(x, y, 65535, 571, 413, 716, 429);
End;

Function CheckVers : Boolean;
Begin
  Result := Between('<p>', '</p>', GetPage('http://lalalacheckvers.110mb.com/CheckVersion.txt')) = CurrentVersion;
End;

Procedure ProgressReporting;
Begin
  ClearDebug;
  Duels := Wins + Lost;
  CurrentWins := Wins - CurrentWins;
  ReportVars[0] := CurrentWins;
  CurrentLosses := Lost - CurrentLosses;
  ReportVars[1] := CurrentLosses;
  CurrentDuels := Duels - CurrentDuels;
  ReportVars[2] := CurrentDuels;
  Currentdenied := Denied - CurrentDenied;
  ReportVars[3] := CurrentDenied;
  WriteLn('You won: ' + IntToStr(Wins) + ' duels.');
  WriteLn('You lost: ' + IntToStr(Lost) + ' duels.');
  WriteLn('You have dueled: ' + IntToStr(Duels) + ' times.');
  WriteLn('You have denied ' + IntToStr(Denied) + ' duels');
  WriteLn('The script has been running for: ' + TimeRunning);
  WriteLn('Thanks for using the Duel Arena Trainer by Sandstorm!');
  SRLRandomsReport;
  Marktime(Marking);
  If First Then
    First := False;
  SetTimeOut(300000, 'ProgressReporting');
End;

Function UseSpecial(PowerNeed: Integer):Boolean;
begin
  Gametab(1);
  If not SpecialActive Then
    If SpecialPercent >= PowerNeed then
    begin
      MouseBox(574, 417, 710, 426, 1);
      Result := True;
    end;
end;

function FindTextSand(Text: string; Chars, x1, y1, x2, y2: Integer): Boolean;
var
  Mask, w, h, tx, ty: Integer;
begin
  try
    Mask:= CreateBitmapMaskFromText(Text, Chars);
    wait(100 + random(500));
  except
    srl_Warn('ClickText', 'Invalid Character Names', warn_AllVersions);
    Exit;
  end;
  Result:= FindBitmapMaskTolerance(Mask, tx, ty, x1, y1, x2, 502, 10, 10);
  wait(100 + random(500));
  GetBitmapSize(Mask, W, H);
  wait(00 + random(500));
  FreeBitmap(Mask);
  wait(100 + random(500));
end;

Procedure Part4;
Begin
  While Accept2 or DuelScreen2 Do
    Begin
      Wait(1000);
      If Fighting Then
        Break;
      If Not Accept2 and DuelScreen2 Then
        MouseBox(181, 302, 235, 317, 1);
      SandWait(lagwait + 1000 + random(500), Fighting);
    End;
    Disguise('Fighting!');
    While Fighting Do
    Begin
      If Players[currentplayer].booleans[0] Then
        UseSpecial(Players[currentplayer].integers[1]);
      wait(1000 + random(500));
    End;
    Disguise('Out of fight.');
    If Won and not Fighting Then
    Begin
      Disguise('We won!');
      MouseBox(359, 278, 437, 294, 1);
      Inc(Wins);
      Inc(Duels2);
      If First Then
        If TimeFromMark(Marking) >= 300000 Then
          ProgressReporting;
    End else
    Begin
      Disguise('We lost!');
      Inc(Lost);
      Inc(Duels2);
      If TimeFromMark(Marking) >= 300000 Then
        ProgressReporting;
    End;
End;

Procedure Part1; Forward;

Procedure HandleRulesAndChanges;
Begin
  If Changes and Not Accept and Not AllowRuleChange or ArmorOff and Not AllowArmorOff Then
    Begin
      MouseBox(313, 273, 379, 286, 1);
      Denied := Denied + 1;
      wait(lagwait + 1000 + random(500));
      Part1;
    End else
        Begin
          While Not Accept and DuelScreen1 Do
            Begin
              MouseBox(147, 277, 208, 284, 1);
              wait(lagwait + 1000 + random(500));
              If Not DuelScreen1 and not DuelScreen2 Then
                Part1;
            End;
        End;
End;

Procedure Part3;
Begin
    SandWait(lagwait + 1000 + random(500), DuelScreen2);
    If DuelScreen2 Then
      Begin
        Disguise('At part three!');
        MouseBox(181, 302, 235, 317, 1);
        wait(lagwait + 1000 + random(500));
        Part4;
      End;
End;

Procedure Part2;
Begin
  While DuelScreen1 Do
    Begin
      If Not DuelScreen1 Then
        Part1;
      Disguise('At part two!');
      If not Changes and not AllowRuleChange or not ArmorOff or not AllowArmorOff Then
        Begin
          If DuelScreen2 Then
            Part3;
          HandleRulesAndChanges;
          If DuelScreen1 Then
            MouseBox(147, 277, 208, 284, 1);
        End Else
          HandleRulesAndChanges;
      SandWait(lagwait + 1000 + random(500), DuelScreen2);
    End;
  Part3;
End;

Procedure HandleDuel;
Var
  A : Integer;
Begin
  If DuelScreen1 Then
    Exit;
  Mousebox(293, 484, 335, 499, 1);
  While Not DuelScreen1 And Not Accept Do
  Begin
    If A >= 3 Then
      Part1;
    If Challenge Then
      Begin
        MouseBox(199, 192, 312, 209, 1);
        wait(1000 + random(500));
        Mousebox(8, 482, 53, 500, 1);
        wait(1000 + random(500));
        Part1;
      End;
    Mousebox(15, 443, 238, 452, 1);
    A := A + 1;
    SandWait(lagwait + 1000 + random(500), DuelScreen1 or Fighting);
  End;
  Mousebox(8, 482, 53, 500, 1);
End;

Procedure Part1;
Begin
  Disguise('Searching for a dueler!');
  While not DuelScreen1 or not Challenge Do
    Begin
      If Duel or DuelScreen1 Then
          Begin
            If Duel Then
              HandleDuel;
            SandWait(1000 + random(500), DuelScreen1);
            If DuelScreen1 Then
              Begin
                Part2;
              End else
            Part1;
          End;
      wait(1000 + random(500))
      If Fighting Then
        Part4;
      wait(100 + random(500));
      If Won Then
        Begin
          Inc(Wins);
          Inc(Duels2);
          MouseBox(359, 278, 437, 294, 1);
        End;
      If Duel or DuelScreen1 Then
          Begin
            If Duel Then
              HandleDuel;
            SandWait(1000 + random(500), DuelScreen1);
            If DuelScreen1 Then
              Begin
                Part2;
              End else
            Part1;
          End;
      wait(100 + random(500));
      If Challenge Then
        MouseBox(199, 192, 312, 209, 1);
      wait(100 + random(500));
      If not Duel Then
        FunDuel
      Else
        HandleDuel;
    End;
  wait(2000 + random(500));
  Part2;
End;

Function UpdateScript(Name, UpdateWebsite, Version: String): Boolean;
Var
  Script, NewVersion : String;
  NewS               : Integer;
Begin
    Script := GetPage(UpdateWebsite);
    Newversion := Between('<p>', '</p>', GetPage('http://lalalacheckvers.110mb.com/CheckVersion.txt'))
    If Not (Version = NewVersion) Then
    Begin
      WriteLn('Getting the latest script...');
      NewS := RewriteFile(AppPath + 'Scripts\'+ Name +'.scar', False);
      If WriteFileString(NewS, Script) Then
      Begin
        WriteLn('Successfully updated script to v'+ NewVersion +'!');
        Result := True;
        Exit;
      End;
    End;
End;

Begin
  SetupSRL;
  If CheckVers Then
    Disguise('Your up to date, continuing!')
  Else
    Begin
      UpdateScript('SSDuelArena', 'http://lalalacheckvers.110mb.com/SSDuelArena.scar', CurrentVersion);
      WriteLn('Please reload this script; it has been updated!');
      TerminateScript;
    End;
  If  SRLStatsId = '' Then
    SRLId := SRLStatsId
  Else
    SRLID := '6348';
  If SRLStatsPass = '' Then
    SRLPassword:= SRLStatsPass
  Else
    SRLID := 'heyhey';
  Scriptid := '1101';
  MarkTime(Marking);
  Declareplayers;
  If Not Loggedin Then
    LoginPlayer;
  Case Lag Of
    True : Lagwait := AddToWaits;
    False : Lagwait := 0;
  End;
  Case Multiplayer Of
    False : Repeat
              Part1;
              If Not LoggedIn Then
                Break;
            Until(AllPlayersInactive);
    True :  Repeat
              Duels2 := 0;
              Repeat
                Part1;
                If Not LoggedIn Then Break;
              Until(Players[currentplayer].integers[0] = duels2)
            If LoggedIn Then
              NextPlayer(True)
            Else
              NextPlayer(False);
            Until(AllPlayersInactive)
  End;
End.

Yes :)

Hopefully not many people will hold the past against you, good luck.

EDIT: Changed to a neutral, sorry.

A BIG fat YES from me!
Goodjob :)

-The_Shermanator

yes this is a good script u know the stuff it takes to become a member

P.S wierd script never thought a dueling one would be made good job!:)

Yes, indeed.

You've done a very good job, this is the best members application I've seen in a long time.

Yes, I've seen how your attitude has changed ^^

Let's hope it stays this way :P

Apart from the wince I get from the global vars, YES!

I do think the global variables are a bad practice, especially the x and y ones.
You could have also shortened the DualScreen1,2 and Accept1,2.

DualScreen(First: Boolean): Boolean;
AcceptDualScreen(First: Boolean): Boolean;

Did you test the script with multiple players?
I find this line really weird:

  If Not Loggedin Then
    LoginPlayer;

Shouldn't you just do that when you check if you are going to change players?

THere are a ton of times where you use findcolortolerance. Using (If GetColor()=;) is a whole lot better :)

@EvilChicken - Wow! Thanks!

@Wizzup - I don't have multiple players I can test it on, so I haven't yet. I put that at the start so you can start it logged out, but I guess it isn't needed. I didn't think of that. Thanks, I'll take a look into implementing it.

@Noidea - I used FindColorTolerance in my Changes and ArmorOff procedures, to use examples, because I needed to find the color in an area (there's more then one place it can change).

Yep, Get rid of the global variables (as wizzup said) but for the most part everything looks really good.

You do have sections where you load and free dtms pretty quickly. It might be advantageous to load the DTM, use it to the duration of the script, and then free it at the end of the script.

No!

From: WT-Fakawi
No!

:eek:

From: noidea
:eek:

:eek: :eek:

Uhm… Script is ugly, clean it up.

Yes.

From: Nava2
:eek: :eek:

Uhm… Script is ugly, clean it up.

Yes.

Personally, I go for the effectiveness before trying to make it look good. Told it works good though, so I'll look into this.

@Wt-Fakawi - Any particular reason why? Just wondering, you don't need to explain if you don't want to.

@Boberman - Yea, that would probably help. I'll look into this as well.

~Sandstorm

yes i guess aslong as you dont steal pixels again i meen you were quite well respected person in this comunity from what i can rember..

anyway you seem to have learned ya lesson yes

Sorry no from me too.

I supported in giving you another chance at the forums. Since it has been over a year but SRL Membership again after a month of letting you back is too soon, imo.

That would just show people that you can do a bad deed. Come back and apologize a good amount of time later and apply and be back to where you were.

I do believe you have changed and no question about the script. Just no right now.

From: WT-Fakawi
No!

Agreed. No!

@Hypersecret - Alright, that's fine.

@Hobbit - If you don't mind explaining, could you tell me why?

~Sandstorm

From: Sandstorm
@Hypersecret - Alright, that's fine.

@Hobbit - If you don't mind explaining, could you tell me why?

~Sandstorm

Don't worry. I think they are just joking ;)

From: noidea
Don't worry. I think they are just joking ;)

I am not actually….

From: Sandstorm
@Hobbit - If you don't mind explaining, could you tell me why?

~Sandstorm

Why? Because you shouldn't even be here as a junior member in my opinion. You committed an offense that results in a permanent ban and I feel it should be upheld as it is set in the rules. I think it is gracious of us enough to even let you come back. But members, you will never deserve that.

dang 2 admins gave you a no, and idk what wizzup? voted(sounded like a no).

i want to know what he did lol(may change alot of ppls mind tho), the script too me is quite messy…
and to save time looks like you used mousebox alot?

hmm, seems wierd quite a bit ppl voted yes. :P tho their decision.

No Thanks.

Just a heads up, just because you win in the polls doesn't guarantee you will get back in.

From: ~~Joker~~
dang 2 admins gave you a no, and idk what wizzup? voted(sounded like a no).

i want to know what he did lol(may change alot of ppls mind tho), the script too me is quite messy…
and to save time looks like you used mousebox alot?

hmm, seems wierd quite a bit ppl voted yes. :P tho their decision.

Im pretty sure he stole a couple accounts and stuff off them from JuKKa (I think not positive). This was almost a year ago, and i dont hold it against him.

I'm going to refrain from voting, I wasn't realy around when this happened so i have mixed feelings on the issue.

From: ~~Joker~~
dang 2 admins gave you a no, and idk what wizzup? voted(sounded like a no).

i want to know what he did lol(may change alot of ppls mind tho), the script too me is quite messy…
and to save time looks like you used mousebox alot?

hmm, seems wierd quite a bit ppl voted yes. :P tho their decision.

I used mousebox because that's where the box is, and a normal player doesn't click in around the same area any time. If it makes you feel better, I added in a misclick option to the new version ^.^.

@Esteban - I figured it was probably going to be something along those lines; thanks for confirming it.

Edit:

@Blumble - I don't want to get into this argument, so I'll keep it brief. While I admit I had access to JuKKa's account, I was not aware that he did not have access to them. As a result, I didn't send him any messages after I was banned.

gah, now i remember you :S lol *yikes*
now i really agree with Hobbit lol.
GL!

From: Sandstorm


@Blumble - I don't want to get into this argument, so I'll keep it brief. While I admit I had access to JuKKa's account, I was not aware that he did not have access to them. As a result, I didn't send him any messages after I was banned.

mhkay, no i had no idea what happened, just word of mouth, and me remebering some posts from back then. I'm not meaining to bring up an argument or anything,

From: Blumblebee
mhkay, no i had no idea what happened, just word of mouth, and me remebering some posts from back then. I'm not meaining to bring up an argument or anything,

It isn't your fault. When I posted around a month ago, everyone freaked out because JuKKa posted saying I scammed him.

Are you forgetting a very key thread now?
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23548

Why don't we all have a quick read shall we?

Edit: Iron Man has request his vote changed from yes to neutral. Poll has been adjusted accordingly.

Script: Very good, worth members
however, There is too much controversy. I must admit i feel rules are rules, but since i dont know enough i wont vote. Based on the script however, its good keep it up.

~Spaz

Change mine from yes to neutral too please Hobbit, sorry Hey but I've been thinking and once a scammer/pixel stealer, always.

Being in SRL member makes other members ( non-srl members) think you are trustworthy and I'm not quite sure that you are yet.

From: Hugolord
Change mine from yes to neutral too please Hobbit, sorry Hey but I've been thinking and once a scammer/pixel stealer, always.

Being in SRL member makes other members ( non-srl members) think you are trustworthy and I'm not quite sure that you are yet.

i agree and i say: you should earn yourself a bear and a useful poster cup, then i'll consider you trustworthy enought.

~RM

Sorry, but no.

It's No!
How you even dear to steal someones account, what is mean is, why you even bother to steal someones account ( it's game -.- ) and did it worth it, you lost all respect… I'v done some mistakes too and blew everything up. But the thing what i'v learned is The Truth Will Come From Someones Mouth If Not Yours!



No!

~Home ( No )

From: Hugolord
Change mine from yes to neutral too please Hobbit, sorry Hey but I've been thinking and once a scammer/pixel stealer, always.

Done

[X]: DTMs
[X]: DDTMs
[X]: Walking
[X]: Antiban/Antirandom
[X]: Multiplayer
[X]: TPAs/T2DTPAs

Not bad. I believe I helped you somewhat with this one.

I vote yes. Welcome back, by the way ;)

From: TViYH
[X]: DTMs
[X]: DDTMs
[X]: Walking
[X]: Antiban/Antirandom
[X]: Multiplayer
[X]: TPAs/T2DTPAs

Not bad. I believe I helped you somewhat with this one.

I vote yes. Welcome back, by the way ;)

You clicked no?

No, I clicked yes.

From: TViYH
No, I clicked yes.

Sorry my internet was slow and displayed 15/15. I reloaded the page and it said 16/15.

From: Hugolord
Change mine from yes to neutral too please Hobbit, sorry Hey but I've been thinking and once a scammer/pixel stealer, always.

Being in SRL member makes other members ( non-srl members) think you are trustworthy and I'm not quite sure that you are yet.

Before I say anything else, I don't want to come across as annoyed or mad because you changed your vote. I respect your decision to change your vote, it's this that irks me:

once a scammer/pixel stealer, always.

Personally, and unfortunately, that's what I've come to expect. That's also what frustrates me. Why do people believe nobody can learn from their mistakes?

For example:

We have jails. Why? So we can put people there to learn a lesson. Punishment will generally help people learn a lesson; or at least learn not to do it again because of the consequences. Why not just kill them? They'll never learn anything valuable in jail, will they? They're just wasting money, aren't they?

To be honest, the way people act like that saddens me. It shows how unforgiving society has become.

~Sandstorm

Woops - forgot about this tab and didn't post this! o.o.

@TViYH - Yea, you were a bit impatient though :P. I don't think I did use TPA's, did I? I don't think walking is a big part of this script though :P.

IDK. On the one hand, he got caught in a lie, and ultimately he didn't admit to it until a year later (see his 359 days post). He stole items from a members application the left its username and password in. That's dishonorable and low.

However, it isn't the lowest thing he could have done. For example, he could have made a password stealing script or some malicious script that does something more then what he did.

Most likely he won't get in because of the last permanent ban (not so permanent), I might say that's a bit harsh. People should be allowed second chances (but no more).

I'd consider that a TPA.

But, it just used the colors from it.

You used FindColorsSpiralTolerance(.., .., TPA, etc);

TPA enough for me.

Do you mean the SpecialPercent function? If so, I didn't make that.

I personally have let the past slide to let you back into this community, but giving you this higher status so soon isn't as easily done.

From: Sandstorm
For example:

We have jails. Why? So we can put people there to learn a lesson. Punishment will generally help people learn a lesson; or at least learn not to do it again because of the consequences. Why not just kill them? They'll never learn anything valuable in jail, will they? They're just wasting money, aren't they?

To be honest, the way people act like that saddens me. It shows how unforgiving society has become.

Maybe your time is not yet served…?

Quite frankly i think you should take what you can get. You should be happy at the mere fact you are even being allowed to be here. But applying for members, it seems a bit like a slap in the face…

No!

The purpose of life in prison is obviously removed if you end up leaving while still serving the sentence. SRL members are supposed to be trustworthy, and that trust should be hard to get and easy to lose in a good system. You've lost yours for many people.

(Neutral).

From: Hobbit
Done

has this ever been done before? ive seen plenty of people change their vote before, but ive never seen an admin actually change their vote before. So if this is something new…then i hope it isnt because you personally have something against him/think he shouldnt get in. I could be wrong…but i just dont want to see him unfairly voted upon. Especially since they only wanted to change their vote after they found out about his previous misjudgment.

btw i voted yes.

From: Dan Cardin
has this ever been done before? ive seen plenty of people change their vote before, but ive never seen an admin actually change their vote before. So if this is something new…then i hope it isnt because you personally have something against him/think he shouldnt get in. I could be wrong…but i just dont want to see him unfairly voted upon. Especially since they only wanted to change their vote after they found out about his previous misjudgment.

btw i voted yes.

Yes it has been. Maybe those people didn't request their vote changed?
I don't see how this is unfairly voted. People have a right to change their opinion. I think its pretty fair letting this vote continue, do you not? If i wanted to make it unfair, why not just end to poll and ban him. It would be much less hassle than this, but have I done that? No. Why? Because that would be unfair.

By stealing the password from an application you made every SRL member seem untrustworthy because we were the only ones who could steal it.

and SRL works pretty much on a trust basis. you will trust more an admin who tells you something about what's going on in SRL than you'll trust a JM. you'll trust a Dev more about ur script than a member.

by being untrustable you're messing the whole community up. SRL members are supposed to be honourable and trustworthy in this community.

if it was me applying and my password got stolen i would seriously wonder if i would want to join a community where the higher ranks are robbing the smaller ranks.

-RM

Ona basis of what everyone has said, I will not vote. I dont know if I deserved a second chance for a dupe accounts (SuperScripter :p). But on the whole stealing from somebody isn't acceptable.

And yes I know you may feel a lot of remorse, and why you had to make a mistake. And being empathetical (sp?) everyone is human and we make mistakes, the best thing to do is to learn from them.

I dont know if my fellow Members + feel that way.

Not voting btw.

From: Hobbit
Yes it has been. Maybe those people didn't request their vote changed?
I don't see how this is unfairly voted. People have a right to change their opinion. I think its pretty fair letting this vote continue, do you not? If i wanted to make it unfair, why not just end to poll and ban him. It would be much less hassle than this, but have I done that? No. Why? Because that would be unfair.

i wasnt blaming you of being unfair. I just havent ever seen anyone else's vote changed, ever (and ive seen people requested theirs changed). So i was just warning you, since you seem to have taken this personally.

You DO know SRL and SCAR very well and DO use them in the right way.

Let's hope it stays this way.
I won't vote at the moment for your past acts… Leaning towards a no… Sorry.

REALLY GOOD SCRIPT ! Its just that I can't just forget what you've done before…

Let's see how the situation evolves.

From: Dervish
You DO know SRL and SCAR very well and DO use them in the right way.

Let's hope it stays this way.
I won't vote at the moment for your past acts… Leaning towards a no… Sorry.

REALLY GOOD SCRIPT ! Its just that I can't just forget what you've done before…

Let's see how the situation evolves.

Sorry you can't vote now. Wait 2 weeks.

From: Quickmarch
Sorry you can't vote now. Wait 2 weeks.

Actually (from what I remember) he's allowed to vote, but the stickies say something like "Fellow Members won't respect you for it".

As for the issue at hand, I believe in second chances. Just because he made one, single bad decision over a year ago doesn't mean he can't change. I bet he highly regrets the choice he made, and probably would have taken it back the day after he did it. Pretend that he never took the account, what do you have against him? From what I remember (I had only been around a couple months before it occurred), Hey seemed to be a well-respected member of the community. But as soon as he made that one bad choice…

Compare this to a real life situation. Pixels = money. Lets say he stole a wallet, but was then suspected by authorities. When questioned, he denies it a couple times, but then they go and put him in jail anyway because they have conclusive evidence. Now, he wouldn't get more than a month or two (for stealing a wallet, AKA a bunch of money, and lying to the jury), much less a year (unless my little knowledge of law underestimates how bad lying about stealing a wallet is), right? I think a year is plenty of time, but, obviously, some of you guys think it isn't enough, and others think it will never be enough.

From: Hobbit
Maybe your time is not yet served…?

Quite frankly i think you should take what you can get. You should be happy at the mere fact you are even being allowed to be here. But applying for members, it seems a bit like a slap in the face…

Seriously Hobbit, I see where your coming from. I know I made a mistake. But, equally as seriously, that's exactly why it's called a MISTAKE.

I regret it, and I would return it if I could, but (no offense meant), you don't seem to be able to understand that I regret it and that I HAVE changed.

~Sandstorm

Yes.

From: Sandstorm
Seriously Hobbit, I see where your coming from. I know I made a mistake. But, equally as seriously, that's exactly why it's called a MISTAKE.

I regret it, and I would return it if I could, but (no offense meant), you don't seem to be able to understand that I regret it and that I HAVE changed.

~Sandstorm

too late lol, that wasnt no mistake.
you did it for purpose and your greedy for pixel $.

And bet if i let you on a account(no bank pin/recovs) with robin set, you would change password/set recovs.

and you cant come to me and say i would do that same thing, no i wouldnt just ask camo kyle :P he has around 15-20m on his account, told me bank pin cause he trusted me… just like how jukka or whoever trusted you.

a thief will stay a PIXEL thief ::eek:

I think he has come along way in a year, muturity wise. I do not believe he would steal another account.

From: ~~Joker~~
And bet if i let you on a account(no bank pin/recovs) with robin set, you would change password/set recovs.

I let him on two of my accounts that had a few mills + good stats without thinking twice(was going to transfer a sara plate through BH) & he didn't do anything with them. Didn't change the pass, go through my bank, etc. so please don't post saying "Oh noes he will steal my robin set & my account."

I voted Yes btw..

From: ~~Joker~~

a thief will stay a PIXEL thief ::eek:

If everyone believed that someone cannot change, a guy who steals a purse gets life in prison.

From: Sandstorm
Seriously Hobbit, I see where your coming from. I know I made a mistake. But, equally as seriously, that's exactly why it's called a MISTAKE.

I regret it, and I would return it if I could, but (no offense meant), you don't seem to be able to understand that I regret it and that I HAVE changed.

~Sandstorm

I never said anything about you not changing or regretting what you did. That does not change the fact that you committed a permanently bannable offense.

Say I was in the states somewhere, and I did something like brutally murdered someone and got Capital Punishment(Death sentence). They never do it right away, you still get time to sit there in jail and think. Well maybe on that night i did the offense I had some issues bothering me and this innocent person just happen to be walking by when i felt i needed to let my rage out. Well later I could think, "Wow, why did i do that, he never did anything to me. That was a huge mistake." And i may truly regret it. That doesn't change the fact that I am soon about to die.

Sometimes no matter how much you regret something or have changed your ways, you still have to take the punishment.

From: [-jesus-]
I let him on two of my accounts that had a few mills + good stats without thinking twice(was going to transfer a sara plate through BH) & he didn't do anything with them. Didn't change the pass, go through my bank, etc. so please don't post saying "Oh noes he will steal my robin set & my account."

I voted Yes btw..

well, he maybe did change than :O lol:eek:

now that i see where hobbit is coming from i would also prefer my vote to be made neutral, it was a yes.

From: Hobbit
I never said anything about you not changing or regretting what you did. That does not change the fact that you committed a permanently bannable offense.

Say I was in the states somewhere, and I did something like brutally murdered someone and got Capital Punishment(Death sentence). They never do it right away, you still get time to sit there in jail and think. Well maybe on that night i did the offense I had some issues bothering me and this innocent person just happen to be walking by when i felt i needed to let my rage out. Well later I could think, "Wow, why did i do that, he never did anything to me. That was a huge mistake." And i may truly regret it. That doesn't change the fact that I am soon about to die.

Sometimes no matter how much you regret something or have changed your ways, you still have to take the punishment.

Like I said, I see where your coming from; but where do you get that I did the equivalent of murdered someone, THEN took my anger out on someone else :confused:? I scammed him because I was greedy, not angry, and I never did anything to anyone else after that?

~Sandstorm

From: [-jesus-]
I let him on two of my accounts that had a few mills + good stats without thinking twice(was going to transfer a sara plate through BH) & he didn't do anything with them. Didn't change the pass, go through my bank, etc. so please don't post saying "Oh noes he will steal my robin set & my account."

I voted Yes btw..

*E-FIVE*

Can't vote :/

~Camo

From: Hobbit
I never said anything about you not changing or regretting what you did. That does not change the fact that you committed a permanently bannable offense.

Say I was in the states somewhere, and I did something like brutally murdered someone and got Capital Punishment(Death sentence). They never do it right away, you still get time to sit there in jail and think. Well maybe on that night i did the offense I had some issues bothering me and this innocent person just happen to be walking by when i felt i needed to let my rage out. Well later I could think, "Wow, why did i do that, he never did anything to me. That was a huge mistake." And i may truly regret it. That doesn't change the fact that I am soon about to die.

Sometimes no matter how much you regret something or have changed your ways, you still have to take the punishment.

Murder != Theft :\

If someone were to steal something, he'd get put in jail for a couple months (depending on how large the theft was) and then be released, free to live his life as he pleases.

From: Sandstorm
Like I said, I see where your coming from; but where do you get that I did the equivalent of murdered someone, THEN took my anger out on someone else :confused:? I scammed him because I was greedy, not angry, and I never did anything to anyone else after that?

~Sandstorm

From: Runescapian
Murder != Theft :\

If someone were to steal something, he'd get put in jail for a couple months (depending on how large the theft was) and then be released, free to live his life as he pleases.

You both missed the point completely. I was not comparing his actions to murder. I was saying, sometimes not matter how much you regret what you did and feel remorse, you still have to pay the punishment.

Now on a forum, in our little world, using the trust you are given as an SRL Member and take peoples passwords, then later lie about it, that's the murder in our world. It was a permanently bannable offense and other have been banned for the very same thing and not been let back in. So my question is:

Why should we have a double standard for you? You did what you did, and now you have to pay the consequences of your actions.

Bah, I'm not even gonna argue anymore.

~Sandstorm

From: Hobbit
You both missed the point completely. I was not comparing his actions to murder. I was saying, sometimes not matter how much you regret what you did and feel remorse, you still have to pay the punishment.

Now on a forum, in our little world, using the trust you are given as an SRL Member and take peoples passwords, then later lie about it, that's the murder in our world. It was a permanently bannable offense and other have been banned for the very same thing and not been let back in. So my question is:

Why should we have a double standard for you? You did what you did, and now you have to pay the consequences of your actions.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I believe that the murderer who really regrets his mistake and wouldn't do it again should be freed. After all, the only thing he'd be is an asset to society. But, of course, that would never happen in the real world because you wouldn't know if he is telling the truth or not. You might also say that if he could get away with it, anybody would think "Oh, if I murder someone, I can just say I'm sorry and won't do it again and I'll be free", but I'm assuming (in this case) that what the murderer feels inside himself is the truth. If one murdered with the thought that he'd get out of it anyway, that means he doesn't really regret what he did.

I don't know if anyone will be able to understand what I just said, it's hard to explain… In short, I believe Hey/Sandstorm in that he really regrets it and wouldn't do a thing like it again.

Here is where you are correct. It is a difference of opinion. I do not think he should be allowed into members, let alone here. We should not have a double standard! That is the main reason behind my point. I have no personal grudge against Hey/Sandstorm apart that I do not and will not ever trust him. But the main issue is that we should not have a double standard. What makes Hey/Sandstorm worth anymore than all the many other people who have done the same or similar things and were disallowed to come back?

I agree with Hobbit.

But, once someone is banned, or shunned, they shouldn't be allowed to come back. AT ALL. That's why they were banned. So they wouldn't come back.

If you're going to do what you did to Sand/Hey, just suspend them for like, say, a month.

From: Hobbit
Here is where you are correct. It is a difference of opinion. I do not think he should be allowed into members, let alone here. We should not have a double standard! That is the main reason behind my point. I have no personal grudge against Hey/Sandstorm apart that I do not and will not ever trust him. But the main issue is that we should not have a double standard. What makes Hey/Sandstorm worth anymore than all the many other people who have done the same or similar things and were disallowed to come back?

Has something like this ever happened before? Unless it stayed within the admins, I don't recall anybody coming back after a long ban only to be banned again. I think yanix came back (don't remember what his new name was and whether he was banned again or not), and he got the status back which he had before he was banned (Jr. Member). Yeah, his case is a bit different, I'm just saying that I don't recall anyone that wanted to come back turned away.

EDIT: Below, Dan Cardin pointed out the cases of Hy and Sp0rky (who were given a second chance, which I agree with). So I think he should be allowed a fair chance at Members, but I respect everyone's opinions and I guess Sandstrom will probably have to wait a bit longer.

The facts are:
He IS back.
He IS applying.
Some people have biases, some don't.

I don't think we should rise in an uproar against him, for, the Admins let him back.

From: TViYH
The facts are:
He IS back.
He IS applying.
Some people have biases, some don't.

I don't think we should rise in an uproar against him, for, the Admins let him back.

he is back, but i agree with hobbit he is lucky that the new account that was created was not banned as soon as everyone knew he was hey321 just think what would have happened if mage of begu, neonknight or iroki did the same thing this would not have been tolerated

i believe that becoming junior member is a huge step, and you really need to prove yourself to this community showing that you can be a member of this community that will provide a positive influence to everyone here

i am also aware that you regret what you did in the past and have shown remorse but it all comes down to the fact that it is too soon and if u end up becoming a member, it probably would not be any time in the near future

sorry if this seemed harsh but its just how i see it

Its all too quick. The way i see it, is that you do genuinely feel bad, but the fact that you were allowed back is, in it's self a big step. To suddenly apply again is taking advantage of he fact you were allowed in. Regardless of your talents. I see that yes, you can script and you aren't half bad, but your timing is awful.
Take the time you have been given to get to know the rest of the community and earn their trust the hard way, by helping others with your knowledge, TALKING to people and proving without saying, that you have changed and do feel sorry.

IMHO its all too sudden. To be given a second chance and wanting to have members just like that. I've always thought that to get into members you needed 2 things:

1. Talents [X]
2. Good attitude [X]
3. Respectability and trust [X]

I feel you should build up the trust / respectability first before wanting to get in.
Just think about peoples feelings and timings before wanting a second chance.

Very slight connection but i cant think of a better one atm.

You cheated on your girlfriend, After a year of her saying dont ever talk to me again ect, you try to become friends with her saying your sorry ect. Its like within a week of coming back saying your sorry you ask her out again. its all a bit sudden.

~Spaz

everyone making all of these weird analogies doesn't help, since they aren't equal.

From: Hobbit
But the main issue is that we should not have a double standard. What makes Hey/Sandstorm worth anymore than all the many other people who have done the same or similar things and were disallowed to come back?

i quite agree, but since we already have a double standard…Sp0rky sent you pornographic images. Hy71194 got into members with a plagiarized script. Not trying to offend anyone, but they're both SRL Members right now.

From: Hobbit
Here is where you are correct. It is a difference of opinion. I do not think he should be allowed into members, let alone here. We should not have a double standard! That is the main reason behind my point. I have no personal grudge against Hey/Sandstorm apart that I do not and will not ever trust him. But the main issue is that we should not have a double standard. What makes Hey/Sandstorm worth anymore than all the many other people who have done the same or similar things and were disallowed to come back?

Exactly.

I mean, can Ronny MP come back?
I can ask him if he wants to come back if you want ( doubt it) :D

anyway, sandstorm in like two months I bet people will let you in (I certainly will)

From: Runescapian
Murder != Theft :\

dunno if Hobbit cleared this up for everyone, I jus skimmed the posts, but I think he was tryin to say:
Murder is to the USA Justice System (Life Sentence)
as
Theft is to the SRL Justice System (Perm Ban)

From: Sandstorm
P.S. - There's no box to answer the meaning of life question :P

Lol, I was wondering why it showed up on my application… :p

Anywho… Dunno if we are all able to agree weather to let you in or not :p Me personally, I'd say wait a lil bit (Not because of what happened) but because of the script… It's good, dont get me wrong, but check your standards ;) And try playing around more with TPA's (Get used to working with them) Also try using Bitmaps too… And maybe RadialWalking and DDTM's ;)

Good Luck!

Note: I didn't vote, jus giving my input…

I may as well try to come up with a better analogy since everyone else has weird ones :p

Say you work at some random airport as one of those security people who go through bags and suitcases that look suspicious in the x-ray scanner. You get caught for stealing money out of wallets and/or purses. Now, you may be able to work at the airport again, but probably as nothing better than a janitor. You certainly won't be in the same position to go through people's belongings like that again.

It would ruin the sanctity of SRL Members to vote in a pixel-thief.

From: Runescapian
Yes :)

Hopefully not many people will hold the past against you, good luck.

Yes. I have no idea what happened in the past, but I think you have a great script, so that's why I voted the way I did. (Even though I feel like I shoul dbe voting no cause 1 admin and the SRL leader vote dno :D).

WOw, it's been a while since I've posted. But I have been checking up from time to time. My advice is clean up the script. From a cursory look it looked ok/good, but you have poor standards and unnecessary "case" functions.

Especially with the one with "true/false" case function? What's up with that? Idk, I find a simple "if/then" statement to be sufficient.

Better luck next time, buddy. If you need help feel free to ask me anything. I haven't posted for a while, but I know what I'm talking about :D

I think a lot of these votes were biased.

How is it fair?

He was allowed back!

So, people are allowed to deny him a second chance, even though the admins gave him one?

He's just like you and me. We've all done something wrong.

From: TViYH
I think a lot of these votes were biased.

How is it fair?

He was allowed back!

So, people are allowed to deny him a second chance, even though the admins gave him one?

He's just like you and me. We've all done something wrong.

Acturally members can vote what they like, it is fair, also 2 admins have posted on this thread saying no, it may be a bit unfair but not much, i bet is he try's again in 1-2 months most the votes will be on the script on and not his past.

From: TViYH
I think a lot of these votes were biased.

How is it fair?

He was allowed back!

So, people are allowed to deny him a second chance, even though the admins gave him one?

He's just like you and me. We've all done something wrong.

He wasn't allowed back. He was perm banned for stealing accounts, and came back under a false name. Technically that's not being "given" a second chance. It's demanding one.

Also, it's true that we've all done something wrong. But please, show a little dignity, and don't liken our wrongdoings to his. They're on a completely different scale.

From: Jason2gs
He wasn't allowed back. He was perm banned for stealing accounts, and came back under a false name. Technically that's not being "given" a second chance. It's demanding one.

If you don't ask for something, you'll seldom have it handed to you. It's not as if an admin would have found out his msn and said 'Hey, we'd let you back into SRL now, want to come back?'. And judging from his '359 days ago' thread, the admins already knew about him coming back before that, so I'm guessing he made the account, sent a PM to an admin or something making sure it was OK, then now we're here. Of course, I could be all wrong, but from what I've seen that's what seems the most likely.

From: Runescapian
If you don't ask for something, you'll seldom have it handed to you. It's not as if an admin would have found out his msn and said 'Hey, we'd let you back into SRL now, want to come back?'. And judging from his '359 days ago' thread, the admins already knew about him coming back before that, so I'm guessing he made the account, sent a PM to an admin or something making sure it was OK, then now we're here. Of course, I could be all wrong, but from what I've seen that's what seems the most likely.

That doesn't disregard the fact that he was permanently banned from the forums, and decided to come back anyway. You're simply justifying his coming back with your first sentence.

From: Jason2gs
He wasn't allowed back. He was perm banned for stealing accounts, and came back under a false name. Technically that's not being "given" a second chance. It's demanding one.

Also, it's true that we've all done something wrong. But please, show a little dignity, and don't liken our wrongdoings to his. They're on a completely different scale.

I wasn't here when he stole the account but I have read the thread and his post on his 359 days. If he wasn't allowed a second chance then the admins would of banned him again a long time ago. Why make a big deal over it now because he just recently applied for members? He has been here awhile before and he has been very helpful. Why can't you all see that he HAS changed? Like people have said, he has been given a second chance and he has taken it the best he can.

From: NiCbaZ
i bet is he try's again in 1-2 months most the votes will be on the script on and not his past.

It has been a year since he was banned, and he applies and the only thing keeping him from being a member is his past. What is going to change in a month or two?

I respect everyone here but I can't help but get the sense that alot of the higher up are being a little stubborn to realize that people can and do change for the better. I can't vote because my two weeks aren't up but I think we know where mine would go.

~Camo

From: Camo Kyle
I wasn't here when he stole the account but I have read the thread and his post on his 359 days. If he wasn't allowed a second chance then the admins would of banned him again a long time ago. Why make a big deal over it now because he just recently applied for members? He has been here awhile before and he has been very helpful. Why can't you all see that he HAS changed? Like people have said, he has been given a second chance and he has taken it the best he can.


It has been a year since he was banned, and he applies and the only thing keeping him from being a member is his past. What is going to change in a month or two?

I respect everyone here but I can't help but get the sense that alot of the higher up are being a little stubborn to realize that people can and do change for the better. I can't vote because my two weeks aren't up but I think we know where mine would go.

~Camo

Camo, I +1 your post.

People can change.

From: Camo Kyle
I wasn't here when he stole the account but I have read the thread and his post on his 359 days. If he wasn't allowed a second chance then the admins would of banned him again a long time ago. Why make a big deal over it now because he just recently applied for members? He has been here awhile before and he has been very helpful. Why can't you all see that he HAS changed? Like people have said, he has been given a second chance and he has taken it the best he can.


It has been a year since he was banned, and he applies and the only thing keeping him from being a member is his past. What is going to change in a month or two?

I respect everyone here but I can't help but get the sense that alot of the higher up are being a little stubborn to realize that people can and do change for the better. I can't vote because my two weeks aren't up but I think we know where mine would go.

~Camo

Im 100% sure he had changed and i voted yes, but i think as he has only been back for 2 months or something if he waits that again, i think people will vote regarding the script only.

From: Jason2gs
That doesn't disregard the fact that he was permanently banned from the forums, and decided to come back anyway. You're simply justifying his coming back with your first sentence.

That doesn't change the fact that the admins let him back.

Hm, seems I gathered a bit of unwanted attention with my posts…

Oh well, I'll roll with it. This thread is almost closed anyways. I'll just have to make sure to get the last word in.

Just because people can change, doesn't mean we should forgive their past. This person sole another person's goods. That's wrong, and should be unforgivable.

It's unknown to me why the admins allowed him to come back under a different name, but that's their decision. We should still, by no means, allow him into SRL members. (It's not like he's getting there anyways. Five point lead on the No side!)

Edit:

From: Runescapian
That doesn't change the fact that the admins let him back.

Sequence of events. He disregarded the rule about returning after ban, and that's when the admins let him back. Your argument is just nonsensical.

From: Jason2gs
Hm, seems I gathered a bit of unwanted attention with my posts…

Oh well, I'll roll with it. This thread is almost closed anyways. I'll just have to make sure to get the last word in.

Just because people can change, doesn't mean we should forgive their past. This person sole another person's goods. That's wrong, and should be unforgivable.

It's unknown to me why the admins allowed him to come back under a different name, but that's their decision. We should still, by no means, allow him into SRL members. (It's not like he's getting there anyways. Five point lead on the No side!)

Edit:



Sequence of events. He disregarded the rule about returning after ban, and that's when the admins let him back. Your argument is just nonsensical.

How do you know he didn't talk to somebody before he re-registered? I haven't seen anything about how exactly the admins let him back. Even if he did register before talking to an admin, how else could he contact an admin (unless he had one's msn, which, like a couple other things on this subject, we don't know) other than through SRL? You're saying the admins were intimidated by him?

From: Runescapian
How do you know he didn't talk to somebody before he re-registered? I haven't seen anything about how exactly the admins let him back. Even if he did register before talking to an admin, how else could he contact an admin (unless he had one's msn, which, like a couple other things on this subject, we don't know) other than through SRL? You're saying the admins were intimidated by him?

It's simple: If he had contacted one of the admins before re-registering, he wouldn't have waited 359 days before making a thread. This would imply that an admin is keeping the conversation he had with Sandstorm a secret, which doesn't seem like something an admin would/should do.

Also, given that there's no evidence that any of this actually happened, I'd say you're pulling that completely arbitrary scenario out of your arse.

-Mike

From: Jason2gs
It's simple: If he had contacted one of the admins before re-registering, he wouldn't have waited 359 days before making a thread. This would imply that an admin is keeping the conversation he had with Sandstorm a secret, which doesn't seem like something an admin would/should do.

My bad, I didn't check to see his registration date, which happens to be back in May. OK, so he registered before asking an admin. I still highly doubt that the admins had no idea he'd been registered for a couple months, and then when he tells them that he's Hey they let him back. As for why he waited so long to tell the public about coming back, I wouldn't either, if it hadn't been even close to a year since I stole an account.

Also, given that there's no evidence that any of this actually happened, I'd say you're pulling that completely arbitrary scenario out of your arse.

-Mike

What exactly are you reffering to? This? -

If you don't ask for something, you'll seldom have it handed to you. It's not as if an admin would have found out his msn and said 'Hey, we'd let you back into SRL now, want to come back?'. And judging from his '359 days ago' thread, the admins already knew about him coming back before that, so I'm guessing he made the account, sent a PM to an admin or something making sure it was OK, then now we're here. Of course, I could be all wrong, but from what I've seen that's what seems the most likely.

I clearly stated that I had no idea if any of that was true, so yeah, I guess I was 'pulling it out of my arse'.

I say we just wait till Hey/Sandstorm tells us how it happened since we're both talking about something only he and the admins know.

From: Jason2gs
Just because people can change, doesn't mean we should forgive their past. This person sole another person's goods. That's wrong, and should be unforgivable.

So basically you're saying is that even when somebody changes we should remember what has happened in the past? Using your statement, explain this for me then. A 18-19 year old gets into a lot of trouble and has multiple charges on his record. Some of them are grand theft, assault, and breaking and entering. He gets sentenced to 2 years in jail. He gets out a year and 4 months later because of good behavior. He has truly changed for the better. His record gets cleared. Should we still harp on his past and not forgive/trust him?

So what Runescapian said is this

From: Jason2gs

Sequence of events. He disregarded the rule about returning after ban, and that's when the admins let him back. Your argument is just nonsensical.

But yours is not?

From: Jason2gs
It's simple: If he had contacted one of the admins before re-registering, he wouldn't have waited 359 days before making a thread. This would imply that an admin is keeping the conversation he had with Sandstorm a secret, which doesn't seem like something an admin would/should do.

To be honest, you and Runescapian are assuming so I think you need to heed your own posts. Since everybody is using references on here I guess I'll add my own. Everybody has secrets. The admins of a forum are like the government. They don't have to tell us everything that's going on. Hell, they don't have to tell us anything at all we go by their actions. Nobody here knows more than anybody else, we just have to go by what little information we have. But in the end, if the admins didn't want him here then he wouldn't be here now.

Also, I picked this up while reading the last page.

From: griff721
Yes. I have no idea what happened in the past, but I think you have a great script, so that's why I voted the way I did. (Even though I feel like I shoul dbe voting no cause 1 admin and the SRL leader vote dno :D).

This just shows how much a persons vote can be swayed by a color change in the name. I honestly feel that the admins didn't post with a flat out no then there would be a little more fair voting going on. I don't care what you say, this vote is unfair.

~Camo

From: Camo Kyle
So basically you're saying is that even when somebody changes we should remember what has happened in the past? Using your statement, explain this for me then. A 18-19 year old gets into a lot of trouble and has multiple charges on his record. Some of them are grand theft, assault, and breaking and entering. He gets sentenced to 2 years in jail. He gets out a year and 4 months later because of good behavior. He has truly changed for the better. His record gets cleared. Should we still harp on his past and not forgive/trust him?

We do when he wishes to run for public office. (Please catch my metaphor.)

No, I honestly didn't see the nonsense in my argument. If an admin was contemplating letting a member who was permanently banned come back, why would he not simply unban the banned account? My argument made perfect sense. Sandstorm talked to no admin about returning under the radar, prior to returning. If he did, he was not given the OK. I'm not sure where TViYH got that idea from.

From: Camo Kyle
To be honest, you and Runescapian are assuming so I think you need to heed your own posts. Since everybody is using references on here I guess I'll add my own. Everybody has secrets. The admins of a forum are like the government. They don't have to tell us everything that's going on. Hell, they don't have to tell us anything at all we go by their actions. Nobody here knows more than anybody else, we just have to go by what little information we have. But in the end, if the admins didn't want him here then he wouldn't be here now.

What am I assuming? I've been, well, trying to base my argument off factual things only.

There's a distinct difference between the admins allowing him to be here (which is what I would him returning on ban, and the admins saying nothing), and the admins wanting him here. The admins want good, rule-abiding members. The admins allow zero-sum cases. (Or I would presume. I'm no designated speaker for the administrators…)

From: Camo Kyle
Also, I picked this up while reading the last page.

This just shows how much a persons vote can be swayed by a color change in the name. I honestly feel that the admins didn't post with a flat out no then there would be a little more fair voting going on. I don't care what you say, this vote is unfair.

~Camo

Yes. I don't agree with that. Each man's vote should be his own. Uninfluenced by the media and/or other people's agendas.

From: Jason2gs
We do when he wishes to run for public office. (Please catch my metaphor.)

But he didn't have that high of a rank before. He should be allowed to get back to where he was, but probably not any higher.

No, I honestly didn't see the nonsense in my argument. If an admin was contemplating letting a member who was permanently banned come back, why would he not simply unban the banned account? My argument made perfect sense. Sandstorm talked to no admin about returning under the radar, prior to returning. If he did, he was not given the OK. I'm not sure where TViYH got that idea from.

Maybe he didn't want everyone to think of what he did every time we looked at his name? The account Hey321 has had 'Pixel Thief' under it for ages, who would want to be remembered as that? He probably asked to be allowed to keep Sandstorm and the admins honored his request

What am I assuming? I've been, well, trying to base my argument off factual things only.

You've been assuming pretty much everything you've posted (maybe not assuming, but not using any factual evidence)…. You can't know for sure that the admins knew that he would create Sandstorm before he actually did (even though I admit that part is rather unlikely, but not impossible). Even if he did, you can't know for sure that they wouldn't have let him back anyway. What I'm trying to say is, you're trying to assume what the Admins and Sandstorm would have done/did in certain situations.

EDIT: Examples -

If an admin was contemplating letting a member who was permanently banned come back, why would he not simply unban the banned account?

"Why would he not" != Fact

Sandstorm talked to no admin about returning under the radar

!= Fact

If he did, he was not given the OK.

!= Fact

Unless I'm missing something here.

From: Runescapian
But he didn't have that high of a rank before. He should be allowed to get back to where he was, but probably not any higher.

I was thinking something along those lines actually. While SRL Members DO have a position of respect, they don't actually have any real power.

From: Runescapian
Maybe he didn't want everyone to think of what he did every time we looked at his name? The account Hey321 has had 'Pixel Thief' under it for ages, who would want to be remembered as that? He probably asked to be allowed to keep Sandstorm and the admins honored his request

Exactly.


And guys, why don't we stop the arguing? You've already posted your opinions, we don't need a massive spam topic.

~Sandstorm

From: Jason2gs
We do when he wishes to run for public office. (Please catch my metaphor.)

Even with a clear record? If that's the case then look at how many high ranked officials we have that actually do have records.

From: Jason2gs
No, I honestly didn't see the nonsense in my argument. If an admin was contemplating letting a member who was permanently banned come back, why would he not simply unban the banned account? My argument made perfect sense. Sandstorm talked to no admin about returning under the radar, prior to returning. If he did, he was not given the OK. I'm not sure where TViYH got that idea from.

What I have bolded and underlined is what I was referring to. That is what you're both assuming. You're assuming that he didn't and Runescapian is assuming(or throwing the idea out) that maybe he did.

From: Jason2gs
What am I assuming? I've been, well, trying to base my argument off factual things only.

Read what I have stated before.

There's a distinct difference between the admins allowing him to be here (which is what I would him returning on ban, and the admins saying nothing), and the admins wanting him here. The admins want good, rule-abiding members. The admins allow zero-sum cases. (Or I would presume. I'm no designated speaker for the administrators…)

The fact that he is here throws your argument out the door. Allowing/want is the exactly the same on here. If the admins wont allow him to be here then he wouldn't. If the admins didn't want him here then he wouldn't be here. Those are the same. None of us here know more about this than anyone else. You don't have any factual proof. And if you did then why not share it?

I find this to be a slap in the face. You are too quick to assume.

<Jason2gs>: You got griff721 to come on to support your argument, Camo_Kyle?
<Jason2gs>: That's going far.
<griff721>: lol i jsut logged on by accident
<griff721>: but whats going on?
<Jason2gs>: Epic fight.
<Camo_Kyle>: What?
<Camo_Kyle>: I'm so lost
<Jason2gs>: http://www.srl-forums.com/forum/sandstorm-srl-member-p514403.html
<Camo_Kyle>: Oh that
<Jason2gs>: Nothing. Camo_Kyle, I figured you PMed griff721 on the forums to help support your argument here.
<Camo_Kyle>: Jason2gs: You're assuming just like you are in your posts
<Jason2gs>: It seemed odd that he would just happen to log on, so soon after you quoted him…
<Camo_Kyle>: I also quoted against him
<Camo_Kyle>: Not for him
<Jason2gs>: Camo_Kyle, I don't see where I assumed in my posts… You can actually address that.
<griff721>: ing canis a member??
<griff721>: omg
<Jason2gs>: Yes, but you can still use him in your argument.
<griff721>: camos a member?
<Camo_Kyle>: So think before you try to say something against somebody
<Camo_Kyle>: How?
<Jason2gs>: But publicly saying that his vote was wrong.
<Camo_Kyle>: I never said it was wrong
<Jason2gs>: By*
<Camo_Kyle>: I was saying that what he said
<Camo_Kyle>: Was an example of how peoples votes are easily swayed

Seriously, what does that have to do with anything?

Runescapian has basically clarified what I was going to say, no need to repeat.

~Camo

From: Runescapian
But he didn't have that high of a rank before. He should be allowed to get back to where he was, but probably not any higher.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if the person described in Camo_Kyle's scenario wished to achieve a higher public status than he held before, he would have his past scrutinized. It's how the world works.

Maybe he didn't want everyone to think of what he did every time we looked at his name? The account Hey321 has had 'Pixel Thief' under it for ages, who would want to be remembered as that? He probably asked to be allowed to keep Sandstorm and the admins honored his request

Maybe he should've thought about that before he stole Paul23's account.

You've been assuming pretty much everything you've posted (maybe not assuming, but not using any factual evidence)…. You can't know for sure that the admins knew that he would create Sandstorm before he actually did (even though I admit that part is rather unlikely, but not impossible). Even if he did, you can't know for sure that they wouldn't have let him back anyway. What I'm trying to say is, you're trying to assume what the Admins and Sandstorm would have done/did in certain situations.

I… see…

You're the one who originally concocted the idea that the administrator somehow knew of his coming back before the rest of us. Then sat idly on the information for 359 days while the rest of us thought Sandstorm was a separate account. And you say I'm the one not posting factual evidence?

From: Runescapian
If you don't ask for something, you'll seldom have it handed to you. It's not as if an admin would have found out his msn and said 'Hey, we'd let you back into SRL now, want to come back?'. And judging from his '359 days ago' thread, the admins already knew about him coming back before that, so I'm guessing he made the account, sent a PM to an admin or something making sure it was OK, then now we're here. Of course, I could be all wrong, but from what I've seen that's what seems the most likely.

EDIT: Examples -

If an admin was contemplating letting a member who was permanently banned come back, why would he not simply unban the banned account?

"Why would he not" != Fact

Sandstorm talked to no admin about returning under the radar

!= Fact

If he did, he was not given the OK.

!= Fact

Unless I'm missing something here.

You are missing something. A big something. That is, the context:

No, I honestly didn't see the nonsense in my argument. If an admin was contemplating letting a member who was permanently banned come back, why would he not simply unban the banned account? My argument made perfect sense. Sandstorm talked to no admin about returning under the radar, prior to returning. If he did, he was not given the OK. I'm not sure where TViYH got that idea from.

See it now? The last two examples you gave can actually be slid right together. It makes more sense that way, otherwise you're cutting off part of the context.

The first one doesn't even count. I was trying to prove a point, using logic. Saying that it makes no logical sense to not simply unban the banned account, than to force the person who was banned to return under another name.

.

And guys, why don't we stop the arguing? You've already posted your opinions, we don't need a massive spam topic.

Alas, you might not get your wish :\

@Jason

(Not going to attempt turning that into a quote :p)

#1: Sandstorm is NOT trying to achieve higher status than he had before…

#2: That has nothing to do with what I said… I was explaining why he didn't take back his old account, and the admins did him a favor by not forcing him to.

#3: But did I ever say "I'm using factual evidence"? No, I clearly said "This is what I gather from what I've seen, but it may be completely false"…

#4: OK, sorry, I made 1 assumption into 2: It's still assuming…

EDIT: If you don't get my point of arguing - I'm trying to say that you aren't necessarily right, and that you shouldn't base your vote on assumptions, I'm NOT trying to say that I'm right.

From: Runescapian
That doesn't change the fact that the admins let him back.

For the record, I do not approve of it but unfortunately I was not here when he came back.

From: Sandstorm
I was thinking something along those lines actually. While SRL Members DO have a position of respect, they don't actually have any real power.

Yes, and you must gain that respect through trust, responsibility and maturity. Obviously people do not have that respect for your, rightfully so as well. You cannot patronize someone for whom they choose to put in a place of respect. It is ethically wrong. So for anyone to say different shows lack of maturity. We all make our own decisions, a right decision for one person may be a completely wrong one for another person.

From: Sandstorm

And guys, why don't we stop the arguing? You've already posted your opinions, we don't need a massive spam topic.

~Sandstorm

This is actually somewhat the antithesis of spam…

Either way, the poll is closed.
Answer was no.

If you guys really want to continue, make a thread in the dump

Closed.