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OBAMA 08!

at 10:00 PM Central , they declared there is no way for Mccain to win, even if he wins the rest of the states.


so the next president is Barak Obama

THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT IN THE USA.


"WASHINGTON – Barack Obama was elected the nation's first black president Tuesday night in a historic triumph that overcame racial barriers as old as America itself." - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/election_rdp


for more details go to this link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/election_rdp

and btw quite interesting, Yahoo has edited there Top News just to this Obama thing, like idk if you remember they took out the news/sports/entertainment/world tabs out :)
was kinda cool imo.
-www.yahoo.com-

so lets CELEBRATE OBAMA SUPPORTERS!:spot: :spot: :spot:

Yay, we win, I suppose

GF and GL

omg… this is ridiculous…(i don't like socialists..)

Hey theres still 78 days of hope left. Viva George Bush! He may not have made all the right decisions but at least he didnt put our country down the tubes, and completely change everything that America has stood for for over 200 years.

Well i guess saving 12 bill a month is a good thing.

I'm moving to the UK. Were screwed.


EDIT: I don't like Obama. Here's why…Instead of giving money to a charity or making a simple 5 minute commercial like a NORMAL person, he pays 1.5 million dollars for a damn 30 minute infomercial….1.5 MILLION wasted, when that could have gone to the kids..Are you kidding me?

Ok, I see, Obama wants Change. Change, Change, Change. Now, let's look at this in an easy perspective.

You have a 28" Plasma TV, but it's crap.

You have a white plad couch that only fits 2 and has stains.

You want:

42" LCD TV, but it's expensive.

A brown leather wrap around couch that sits up to 7.


Here's the problem. To CHANGE, you require money. The nation is already in debt, ALOT, now why not lets change some more? No change is good that is free, unless giving away money cuz that's nice but we can't do that.


(language report)
So lets replace my above situation with healthcare and etc, and guess what, the money for CHANGE is not coming out of Obama's paycheck. It is coming out of the wealthy people in the United States, and NOT the poor little bitches that don't want to work. Being in a household above 150k, I know that we are going to get completely fucked over in taxes, and I really am not looking forward to this bullshit he's got planned.

As in, the people who have gone through schooling for 8 years, suffering to say, and are now brain surgeons, dentists, doctors, etc. The people who have pushed for what they want are being punished? And no one can tell me any bullshit about how the poor didn't have the opportunities that rich have. They are poor lazy people who vote for Obama thinking everything is going to be FREE, but no, it's coming out of the rich families.

From: Ejjman1
I'm moving to the UK. Were screwed.


Ok, I see, Obama wants Change. Change, Change, Change. Now, let's look at this in an easy perspective.

You have a 28" Plasma TV, but it's crap.

You have a white plad couch that only fits 2 and has stains.

You want:

42" LCD TV, but it's expensive.

A brown leather wrap around couch that sits up to 7.


Here's the problem. To CHANGE, you require money. The nation is already in debt, ALOT, now why not lets change some more? No change is good that is free, unless giving away money cuz that's nice but we can't do that.


(language report)
So lets replace my above situation with healthcare and etc, and guess what, the money for CHANGE is not coming out of Obama's paycheck. It is coming out of the wealthy people in the United States, and NOT the poor little bitches that don't want to work. Being in a household above 150k, I know that we are going to get completely fucked over in taxes, and I really am not looking forward to this bullshit he's got planned.

UK is prolly the second best choice. Australia is my top choice! No socialists down there what so ever!

From: nobody u kno
UK is prolly the second best choice. Australia is my top choice! No socialists down there what so ever!

I was throwing UK out..because Jagex is there…Bwahaha

watch the speech guys :)
im happy :P


Obama will make change and good change :)

If you Hate Obmama come live with me at aus, Pm for more details ( btw you will need to pay rent , but it will be small, and i will be able to help out in air fares).

I am very happy the election turned out this way. I think it is time for a new way for things to happen. Its gonna lead to a lot of change, and maybe some of that will be bad. But I think that this will lead to a lot of positive changes.

lol "socialists" stfu

quite amazing , first black president

hopefully a first indian/paki president in 20-100 years lol
that be awsome :P tho low chance.

Change is needed in america!

From: Ejjman1
I'm moving to the UK. Were screwed.


EDIT: I don't like Obama. Here's why…Instead of giving money to a charity or making a simple 5 minute commercial like a NORMAL person, he pays 1.5 million dollars for a damn 30 minute infomercial….1.5 MILLION wasted, when that could have gone to the kids..Are you kidding me?

Ok, I see, Obama wants Change. Change, Change, Change. Now, let's look at this in an easy perspective.

You have a 28" Plasma TV, but it's crap.

You have a white plad couch that only fits 2 and has stains.

You want:

42" LCD TV, but it's expensive.

A brown leather wrap around couch that sits up to 7.


Here's the problem. To CHANGE, you require money. The nation is already in debt, ALOT, now why not lets change some more? No change is good that is free, unless giving away money cuz that's nice but we can't do that.


(language report)
So lets replace my above situation with healthcare and etc, and guess what, the money for CHANGE is not coming out of Obama's paycheck. It is coming out of the wealthy people in the United States, and NOT the poor little bitches that don't want to work. Being in a household above 150k, I know that we are going to get completely fucked over in taxes, and I really am not looking forward to this bullshit he's got planned.

As in, the people who have gone through schooling for 8 years, suffering to say, and are now brain surgeons, dentists, doctors, etc. The people who have pushed for what they want are being punished? And no one can tell me any bullshit about how the poor didn't have the opportunities that rich have. They are poor lazy people who vote for Obama thinking everything is going to be FREE, but no, it's coming out of the rich families.

You Really piss me off.
First of all, 150k is not in their plan, its 250k. You are listening to one of mccains supporters who mislead people on a mistake one of obamas people made.

Their plan ALWAYS called for the 250k limit. One of obamas people mentioned the words "middle class" and mccains ppl went off with that.

You are the kind of person that has been pissin me off all day and im soo glad yall lost. It shows that people are finally opening their minds to new possibilites. And also shows we are ready for change.

They are not trying to take rich peoples money. They are trying to get people who are ABLE to pay the taxes to pay higher taxes and the people who work 40 hours a week for shit pay and can barely pay the bills might have enough money at the end of the month for groceries.

oh, and where is that money you were talking about gonna come from? the tax raisies that wealthy people will get…

I really want to know why people think Obama is a socialist. Plenty of actual socialists have been quoted saying that he is definitely not one.

From: nobody u kno
Hey theres still 78 days of hope left. Viva George Bush! He may not have made all the right decisions but at least he didnt put our country down the tubes, and completely change everything that America has stood for for over 200 years.

Why do you think that America is in a recession you dummy, he made shitty decisions.

Why is Iraq such a big deal? We aren't losing that many soldiers there anymore.

And before you say "It's costing us $10 billion per month", remember that we're spending $43 BILLION per month just on interest payments on the national debt.

Don't you think we should start by fixing our gaping budget deficits instead of pouring more gas on the fire?

My biggest concern about Obama isn't that he will tax rich people, it's that he would ONLY tax rich people, instead of making a tough decision to share the sacrifice necessary to get our budget back on track.

And Blumblebee, pretty much every US President in the last 50 years has left office in disgrace or defeat. Sad, but true. Bush has gotten far more criticism and blame than he deserved.

From: mormonman
omg… this is ridiculous…(i don't like socialists..)

I don't like idiots. The leader of the socialist party has said Obama is very very far for anything socialist……..this argument isn't worth my effort. You're wrong, and it's very clear.

I agree, he is not remotely socialist…and even if he was, it's not like he has the almighty power, the government has checks and balances…so if he wanted to do some crazy reform stuff, all the government would have to want to do it too.

From: Ejjman1
I'm moving to the UK. Were screwed.


EDIT: I don't like Obama. Here's why…Instead of giving money to a charity or making a simple 5 minute commercial like a NORMAL person, he pays 1.5 million dollars for a damn 30 minute infomercial….1.5 MILLION wasted, when that could have gone to the kids..Are you kidding me?

Ok, I see, Obama wants Change. Change, Change, Change. Now, let's look at this in an easy perspective.

You have a 28" Plasma TV, but it's crap.

You have a white plad couch that only fits 2 and has stains.

You want:

42" LCD TV, but it's expensive.

A brown leather wrap around couch that sits up to 7.


Here's the problem. To CHANGE, you require money. The nation is already in debt, ALOT, now why not lets change some more? No change is good that is free, unless giving away money cuz that's nice but we can't do that.


(language report)
So lets replace my above situation with healthcare and etc, and guess what, the money for CHANGE is not coming out of Obama's paycheck. It is coming out of the wealthy people in the United States, and NOT the poor little bitches that don't want to work. Being in a household above 150k, I know that we are going to get completely fucked over in taxes, and I really am not looking forward to this bullshit he's got planned.

As in, the people who have gone through schooling for 8 years, suffering to say, and are now brain surgeons, dentists, doctors, etc. The people who have pushed for what they want are being punished? And no one can tell me any bullshit about how the poor didn't have the opportunities that rich have. They are poor lazy people who vote for Obama thinking everything is going to be FREE, but no, it's coming out of the rich families.

UK isn't any better their planning to spy on all internet connections.
but i agree i hate obama as well.

I have a feeling Barak Obama is going to spend all the taxpayers money on new rims..

I have also heard from reliable sources that he is thinking about taking the word "juice" out of the dictionary and replacing it with "drink".

From: oo00o
I have a feeling Barak Obama is going to spend all the taxpayers money on new rims..

I have also heard from reliable sources that he is thinking about taking the word "juice" out of the dictionary and replacing it with "drink".

I hope this is sarcasm. And if it is, please mark it better next time. Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet.

From: Ejjman1
I'm moving to the UK. Were screwed.

[offtopic]Move to Norway! It IS the best country to live in… No really, it is! :) [/offtopic]

But Ejjman, cant you see the history he will write? whole America, no… the whole world, will change their feelings about colored people! :O

America finally made a good decision after 8 years of complete idiocy with the moron Bush in office. All you racists and haters can say all you want about Obama but electing him was a necessary move. Mccain had the same exact policies as Bush, and guess what, we've been in a major shithole because of Bush for the past 8 years. Obama's policies more or less resemble those of Clinton in which we had a *gasp* SURPLUS at the end of the year. So all those people stuck on the fact that Obama is black, get over it. All those people stuck on the lie that he's a socialist, stop being so ignorant.

Such a disappointment, McCain should have won. It became such a black and white election, if Obama was white, McCain would have won. Oboma just finished paying off his student loans, McCain was a prisoner of war for over 5 years. F*** obama and McCain should have won.

To lakerzz8, the reason why Obama was elected was because half the people that voted for him were f****** following a trend or because he was black. I'm not racist I'm just telling you what's what.

From: Zigon
Such a disappointment, McCain should have won. It became such a black and white election, if Obama was white, McCain would have won. Oboma just finished paying off his student loans, McCain was a prisoner of war for over 5 years. F*** obama and McCain should have won..

What does being Prisoner of War have to do with being a president?
If Obama would have been white, he would have probably still won.

From: kitchenrange
You Really piss me off.
First of all, 150k is not in their plan, its 250k. You are listening to one of mccains supporters who mislead people on a mistake one of obamas people made.

Their plan ALWAYS called for the 250k limit. One of obamas people mentioned the words "middle class" and mccains ppl went off with that.

You are the kind of person that has been pissin me off all day and im soo glad yall lost. It shows that people are finally opening their minds to new possibilites. And also shows we are ready for change.

They are not trying to take rich peoples money. They are trying to get people who are ABLE to pay the taxes to pay higher taxes and the people who work 40 hours a week for shit pay and can barely pay the bills might have enough money at the end of the month for groceries.

oh, and where is that money you were talking about gonna come from? the tax raisies that wealthy people will get…

You really piss me off. With 'Change'…. So all change is the right change? Lets take a small McDonald's restaurant for instance. There's 10 workers (cashiers, fry cooks, etc) and a manager. Lets say the owner (AKA Obama) says, "Hey, manager, I'm cutting your hard earned pay in half so I can pay the other guys more". He takes away half of the manager's salary to increase the workers' pay. The manager, who has probably had education, works much longer hours, etc, has to give his money to the kid who dropped out of high school because he was lazy. That's what Obama wants to do, and it's COMPLETELY unfair.

People who work just 40 hours a week without an education and get enough money to almost pay the bills should be considered lucky. Take my parents for instance. They came to the US when they were 25 or so, from a foreign country. My mom didn't even know English, so she had to take a couple years of college to learn a bit. We could hardly afford to pay rent on our 2 room apartement, but we managed. My dad went to Med School with the money he managed to scrounge up. A couple years later he started his residency, and then he could afford to pay for my mom's Med School. They took all these hard years, nearly 10 years, to get an education when we traveled to the US lugging just 6 suitcases behind us. Now, we live well, and Obama wants to take our hard work away. You mean to say that my parents should give their money to the guy who works just 40 hours a week without an education? My dad works 80, and my mom is part-time atm because she has to study for her final residency exams (which she failed last year because in her 80 hour work-week it was impossible to find time to study). It just ISNT FAIR that we have to work and give a nice chunk away

I laugh at the fact you think you'd get all the money from the rich people. If that happens, not only will we be Socialists, but we will also lose all the 'rich people', who have had virtually all their money taken away. What'll happen when you tax the hell out of doctors, and nobody wants to become a doctor anymore? Not only will that mean higher health insurance costs, but the wealthier people would hate to be living in the US, and would probably move.

From: richk1693
I don't like idiots. The leader of the socialist party has said Obama is very very far for anything socialist……..this argument isn't worth my effort. You're wrong, and it's very clear.

Every 'change' starts somewhere. For Obama, it's making everyone have a similar amount of money.

From: Brain
I agree, he is not remotely socialist…and even if he was, it's not like he has the almighty power, the government has checks and balances…so if he wanted to do some crazy reform stuff, all the government would have to want to do it too.

Checks and Balances aren't Checks and Balances when the President's buddies are doing the Checks and Balances amongst themselves.

Obama will be the end of the US unless somebody does something about it. (I don't mean kill him, I mean….I don't know what I mean, there's nothing anyone can do)

From: Wizzup?
What does being Prisoner of War have to do with being a president?
If Obama would have been white, he would have probably still won.

i disagree. He didnt win by all that much (considering how much they thought he was going to win by). And he wouldnt have had nearly as much of the black vote as he did if he was white. ]

and as for him being the first black president :p.

i just really dont see how he's going to lower taxes when he's voted to make taxes higher on almost every ballet he's been given.

:(:(:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQCJXpbKg

No more flaming in this thread, if you wish to make clear declarations of your opinions, make a BBQ thread…

People who work 15 hours a week being a doctor should make more money then somebody working 50 hours a week doing retail. Its the way America was and hopefully will still be even if Obama is president. If you dont like it go somewhere else.

I'm gonna go die now.

From: bullzeye95
I'm gonna go die now.

My condoles.

From: bullzeye95
I'm gonna go die now.

Lets move together :)

Call me :spot:

From: Ejjman1
Lets move together :)

Call me :spot:

That is just pathetic. How will this President effect you, and the previous one would not? For all I know you aren't even 18… Are you super-duper rich? I didn't notice, so I don't see a problem there, either. So, what IS bothering you about Obama (and his party)?

There are numerous MAJOR issues facing this country that have to be dealt with immediately.

Social Security and Medicare need reform immediately. And as we know, Democrats are constantly pandering to retirees. So that means that seniors won't be asked to sacrifice at all, and the young people will be forced to make all the sacrifices. This is probably the biggest problem with Obama/Dems right now.

The budget deficits are unsustainable and must be fixed immediately. But Obama and the Dems are constantly playing class warfare games and promising free handouts to the lower classes. That means that they won't ask the poor and middle class to pay more taxes, or to receive less benefits to help balance the budgets. And any money he may raise from the rich will go toward more new spending. Again, this is another problem that will go unsolved because Obama and the Dems will all agree and won't have any pressure to make the tough decisions necessary to solve it.

Obama CAN be a successful President, but only if he breaks almost every pandering campaign promise he has made and does the right thing for the country. Tough times call for tough measures and decisive action, not campaign rhetoric.

Hisucristo… Tarajunky for President!

From: Wizzup?
If Obama would have been white, he would have probably still won.

Blacks and Mexicans came out in record numbers to vote ;). I think it played a role in his winning. See any pictures with white people and Obama? It's like the "Where's Waldo" game, if you don't believe me try it out.

I'm 19 and I didn't vote and by the looks of it my 1 vote wouldn't have decided the state of California to give their EVs to the Republicans.

I just feel like Obama is hiding something. I mean the man that was his mentor and 'leader' through his child hood 'Damned the United States' and his wife stateing something about "It's the first time I've been proud of America" or to that effect. I really don't want that dumb bitch being first lady either. Somethings I just don't like about him.

Hopefully I get proven wrong though.

[offtopic=bush]
And whoever said the United States has been going in a shit hole the past 8 years, what? Stocks were up higher than ever before, we had a great economy. The past year or so with gas prices sky rocketing and stock market going down is the worst part.

And would people stop saying shit about how the war was a bad thing.
HONESTLY what would America had done if Bush would had just sat back in his nice leather chair and done NOTHING about what happened? Something had to be done there and action needed to be taken or other terrorist groups could have easily came right back and done the same exact thing.

If he would have sat back, he would have been ridiculed about not doing anything.
[/offtopic]

the rich people dont like Obama

middle class love Obama :)

so F you rich noobs.

From: ~~Joker~~
the rich people dont like Obama

middle class love Obama :)

so F you rich noobs.

Obama made over $4 Million last year. F him too?

I'm from the UK so this doesn't affect me much…However, I can see Obama getting assassinated because of some stupids racists just like Martin Luther King was. I mean, he can't be any worse than Bush, can he?

From: R1ch4
I'm from the UK so this doesn't affect me much…However, I can see Obama getting assassinated because of some stupids racists just like Martin Luther King was. I mean, he can't be any worse than Bush, can he?

alot of rumours about that.


FBI caught 2 guys planing the assasination.

assassination is always a worry, but really this affects everyone, he has just been elected most powerful man on earth (apart from the head of the mafia)

Yaeah, Great sucess. Obama literally thrased McCain in the polls :)

yeah, i love you Obama!!!
Congratulations!!!

From: sandos1234
assassination is always a worry, but really this affects everyone, he has just been elected most powerful man on earth (apart from the head of the mafia)

Rofl, Most powerfull on earth? btw there is no " Head of the Mafia" just so you know, also i highly doubt he is the most powerfull on earth, American he proberly if not the world tho ;)

*couch* Gentlemen grab ur F16's and fly!!!!!!!!!!! xD

Nah, that's not going to be it :p

From: ~~Joker~~
the rich people dont like Obama

middle class love Obama :)

so F you rich noobs.

I'm sorry both of my parents took 2 extra years in college to get a good degree and work for a good company. They did that so I could live a better life, they worked their as*es off while some people where saying F***college I don't need to get a good job to live. I know that is extreme, but they earned their money. Also, I'm really not a politically involved person so I'm just saying what I have heard and read from here.

~KotN

From: ~~Joker~~
alot of rumours about that.


FBI caught 2 guys planing the assasination.

Yes, "driving towards Obama shooting out the windows." A very well thought out plan which would have never worked.

Anyways, just another president, no need to go "()|\/|6 |-|3'5 8L4(|{ PR351|)3|\|7 |\|()\/\/111!!!!!" ..

(Translation: OMG HE'S BLACK PRESIDENT NOW111!!!!!)

EDIT: Not sure if it is fake or not…

From: sandos1234
assassination is always a worry, but really this affects everyone, he has just been elected most powerful man on earth (apart from the head of the mafia)

I second that if it was really that easy to kill a president Bush would have been long dead by now.

But still..


EDIT by Wizzup? : I don't feel it's very appropriate.

I really think Wizzup? has something against me.. oh well no picture for you guys XD

Go go gadget Obama! Weeh!

From: ~~Joker~~
the rich people dont like Obama

middle class love Obama :)

so F you rich noobs.

If something affects the rich people, it will trickle down to the middle/lower classes too. Where would the US be without doctors, businessmen, successful investors, etc? Obama will hurt all of them, they'll all get ub3rly mad, and do something about it. A reasonable alternative for people such as investors, businessmen, etc. would be to leave the US. Since (AFAIK) you can still do your job (investing, creating/selling products) at least almost as well elsewhere. Doctors are stuck with a problem (Doctors don't make as much in other countries, so that's why the US' doctors are generally superior, at least that's what I hear), but eventually (not immediately, might take a year or two), there won't be too many doctors = higher health insurance = increased doctor salaries, woot :) Not guaranteed that will happen, but I hope it does.

Anyone living in the US could be rich if they wanted to. At least, up until Obama takes office.

no, it isn't that obama will be bad, it's just all the racism ,bush is white, so he was in less danger however yes bush was hated ;) hence he's not in office, i don't want obama dead and i'm happy he's won i'm just being a realist :p but im guessing the day it is completely decided (january i think) he will be assassinated in a similar way to Martin Luther King.however hopefully before then "Change Will Come To America" not in Mccain's case "Free Chips For Everybody"

From: sandos1234
however yes bush was hated ;) hence he's not in office

He's been president for 8 years, he couldn't continue even if he wanted to.

oh yeah dang forgot about that :p oh well, i didn't like him :/

From: sandos1234
oh yeah dang forgot about that :p oh well, i didn't like him :/

Why not?

[And here the discussion of Bush begins]

Being Canadian, our economy is largely effected by America. And I know if McCain was to be elected, it would have been the same rape to the environmental and economical policies as Bush. And for that, I can rest easy.

Obama will probably get more flak then other presidents though. He will make a bad decision and everyone will criticize more so. I wish him luck, he has a lot of fixing to do. Hopefully Obama starts changing the direction of the States for the best… Quickly lol.

afaik i heard people making 250k+ are the 1 who will get taxed more.

so yeah.

Started at 250k, then 200k, now down to 150k. Probably will drop more in fact.

Wizzup?, I'm not 18, but my parents pay taxes, both more wealthy than most people, and in case I (we) are gonna get screwed over by taxes.

PS Wizzup, that chart is total propaganda and you are more retarted that anything if you believe that…

Once again, Obama used 1.5 million dollars on a commercial than rather giving it to charity or to the economy. Lol?

Nauman, there was no "thrasing", electoral votes he may have won, but its among the people that really matters, which was about 50/50.

One last thing, why are people talking about color? This shouldn't have anything to do with it, and the votes should not have changed.
To say, if anyone voted for him to say that they were 'a part of history', they should probably die and realize that they are idiots (which I've heard SO many adults say.)

From: ~~Joker~~
afaik i heard people making 250k+ are the 1 who will get taxed more.

so yeah.

Mmm, AFAIK most investors, businessmen, doctors, etc. make more than 250k, and that's who I was talking about :\

From: Runescapian
If something affects the rich people, it will trickle down to the middle/lower classes too. Where would the US be without doctors, businessmen, successful investors, etc? Obama will hurt all of them, they'll all get ub3rly mad, and do something about it. A reasonable alternative for people such as investors, businessmen, etc. would be to leave the US. Since (AFAIK) you can still do your job (investing, creating/selling products) at least almost as well elsewhere. Doctors are stuck with a problem (Doctors don't make as much in other countries, so that's why the US' doctors are generally superior, at least that's what I hear), but eventually (not immediately, might take a year or two), there won't be too many doctors = higher health insurance = increased doctor salaries, woot :) Not guaranteed that will happen, but I hope it does.

Anyone living in the US could be rich if they wanted to. At least, up until Obama takes office.

From: Ejjman1

One last thing, why are people talking about color? This shouldn't have anything to do with it, and the votes should not have changed.
To say, if anyone voted for him to say that they were 'a part of history', they should probably die and realize that they are idiots (which I've heard SO many adults say.)

Most people are barely mature enough to live day to day life. When you give people as much power as a democratic vote most people do not sit down and think about but their country needs. The problem with democracy is EVERYONE gets a vote, and I myself do not believe in that. A good example why is the very thing you brought up! When you start voting for any reason except to have the best suited person with the best beliefs pertaining to the certain time and problems and start voting for someone just because you want to the other party to lose or you want a black president then it starts skewing the results.

And the worst part is you can start talking to them, and ask them why they are voting for a certain party and they will say something like "I am voting for x, because I do not like y and z". Last I checked one of the democratic rights was to abstain from voting. Ahhh god just aggravates me to no end when people with this way of living life is effecting my life.</rant>

From: Ejjman1


PS Wizzup, that chart is total propaganda and you are more retarted that anything if you believe that…

thats quite harsh dude…

why call wizzup retarted ….

respect much?

hopefully you meant in a other way?

250k for a working couple and 200k for single. It did not drop to 150k ejjman1 get your facts straight.

So 5 out of 95% will see tax increases. Its not going to be like, if you pay 40% then it will jump to 50%…

From: Ejjman1
Started at 250k, then 200k, now down to 150k. Probably will drop more in fact.

Once again, Obama used 1.5 million dollars on a commercial than rather giving it to charity or to the economy. Lol?

Lol? Maybe its called advertising?

I think that although Bush did not completely screw us over like some people think, when he leaves the economy will start to get better and Obama will be given credit for it. However, I do think that Obama will bring good to America just because he himself is a change.

From: Zigon
Such a disappointment, McCain should have won. It became such a black and white election, if Obama was white, McCain would have won. Oboma just finished paying off his student loans, McCain was a prisoner of war for over 5 years. F*** obama and McCain should have won.

To lakerzz8, the reason why Obama was elected was because half the people that voted for him were f****** following a trend or because he was black. I'm not racist I'm just telling you what's what.

OK, the same number of people that voted for obama just because he was black didnt vote for him because he was black so stfu. Prisoner of War for five years? Im not demeaning that at all but being locked up for 5 years doesnt qualify you to be president…

(Before I speak I want to say I did NOT read posts before me so if I repeat anything already said, I apologize)

I am a McCain Supporter. I am scared like hell to have Obama in the White House. And I am only 15 years old. I am a sophmore in High School and a Catholic.

Obama's ideals and morals are idiotic.
Obama is a great supporter of abortion. I absolutely am against abortion. I could NEVER kill my own child. I could NEVER have my child be murdered or literally vacuumed out of my girlfriend/wife's body. Of course I believe there are circumstances such as rape or bodily harm to the woman in which I believe morally it is allowable.

Obama wants to raise taxes for high income families and pretty much give this money to the low income families. I am in a mid income family. I don't see how giving unemployed people money is supposed to make their lives easier. Why not try and invent more jobs for people so that they can learn to responsibly take care of themselves and their families? Give a man a fish, and he will be happy for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will be happy for a lifetime. (something like that.. lol)

I pray to God he doesn't get assassinated. I also pray he doesn't screw this country over more than it already is.

From: kitchenrange
OK, the same number of people that voted for obama just because he was black didnt vote for him because he was black so stfu. Prisoner of War for five years? Im not demeaning that at all but being locked up for 5 years doesnt qualify you to be president…

I doubt there are more racists than there are African-Americans (And yes, I'm assuming pretty much all African-Americans voted for Obama, and I don't blame them tbh), + the fact that so many people voted for Obama just because they 'wanted to be there when history was made', and the people who were afraid of being called racists and voted for him just for that. At first, that's how I thought (stupid, I know), but then I watched the debates, listened to their plans, etc. That's when I changed my mind. All in all, being black helped Obama much more than it hurt him IMO.

Agreed Runescapian. I went to school today and heard alot of African American kids saying that their parents voted Obama just for that reason. Then they went on telling me they were celebrating by throwing rocks at cop cars? Really bright..

From: senrath
I really want to know why people think Obama is a socialist. Plenty of actual socialists have been quoted saying that he is definitely not one.

becuase he wants to redistribute the wealth, duh.

Gosh talk about a fl4me w4r starting. Come on guys its the first black president give him a chance. Im from New Zealand I have to deal with Helen Clark. For all of those who do not no her search her, shes not a pretty site. Well now that Americas had there election lets hope National gets in for New Zealand.
WOOP WOOP!

Edit:
Guys im just throwing this out in the open, but do you think any crazy american racist loony will attempt to murder him? Ill give it less than 1 year before, before poor Obama is under murder threats, and possible attempted murder activity

From: Tom_Gower

Edit:
Guys im just throwing this out in the open, but do you think any crazy american racist loony will attempt to murder him? Ill give it less than 1 year before, before poor Obama is under murder threats, and possible attempted murder activity

Been mentioned quite a few times already (EDIT: Nvm, I think that was on another thread lol) :p I feel sorry for him…Really, half of the nation voted against him, and polls showed that over 30% weren't voting for McCain but rather against Obama by voting for McCain :\

Someone said Obama made 4 million dollars last year? And what did Obama spend on his campaign, over a billion dollars? Before trying to get America to spread the wealth around, how about Obama spreads some of his wealth around to some of his immediate family who are like living out of cardboard boxes or are living on less than one dollar a day in Kenya like his half-brother. Giving some of his family members less than 2% of what he made could have drastically changed their lives. So before Obama goes telling the rest of our country to spread the wealth around to other lazy people, how about Obama spreads some of his wealth to his own family…

From: ~~Joker~~
thats quite harsh dude…

why call wizzup retarted ….

respect much?

hopefully you meant in a other way?

No, anyone should know that that kind of stuff is made to make X look better than Y, which someone was talking about.

But I'm done, I'll just slap up a bumper on my car of a republican elephant, I'm gonna possibly live. :sasmokin:

From: kitchenrange
You Really piss me off.
First of all, 150k is not in their plan, its 250k. You are listening to one of mccains supporters who mislead people on a mistake one of obamas people made.

Their plan ALWAYS called for the 250k limit. One of obamas people mentioned the words "middle class" and mccains ppl went off with that.

You are the kind of person that has been pissin me off all day and im soo glad yall lost. It shows that people are finally opening their minds to new possibilites. And also shows we are ready for change.

They are not trying to take rich peoples money. They are trying to get people who are ABLE to pay the taxes to pay higher taxes and the people who work 40 hours a week for shit pay and can barely pay the bills might have enough money at the end of the month for groceries.

oh, and where is that money you were talking about gonna come from? the tax raisies that wealthy people will get…

ok buddy, well i got some bad news for you,"i read only the top paragraph of ur post"… and idc about the rest….

ok so, how u said middle class…. if you do the math, there is no way that the wealthy people of u.s. will be able to support the dumb 850bil "bailout"

so obama will raise the taxs for middle class…. you will see.. he wil get greedy..(ask your self why the u.s. has a 850 bil debt)((maybe because the senate got to00000000 greedy?))

and just to let you know, there is 6% of people in the u.s. which don't work….. with mccain as president, he himself said,"many many times" he will create jobs…
and those 6% is roughly around 3.2m people…
and if those 3.2m people will work, then the people who can't buy groceries and pay for bills will have a bit lower tax.

(with obama in lead, he will dismantle the army, which leave the u.s. weak…

and guess what… maybe the taliban will hit u.s. again… how about that?lol

mccain was the better choice….

From: kitchenrange
OK, the same number of people that voted for obama just because he was black didnt vote for him because he was black so stfu. Prisoner of War for five years? Im not demeaning that at all but being locked up for 5 years doesnt qualify you to be president…

and are you kidding? mccain was in the senate for over 22 years, and obama was in the senate for only 4!!!!! LMAO


bro grow up u stupid 10 yr old…

From: We run u.s.
ok buddy, well i got some bad news for you,"i read only the top paragraph of ur post"… and idc about the rest….

ok so, how u said middle class…. if you do the math, there is no way that the wealthy people of u.s. will be able to support the dumb 850bil "bailout"

so obama will raise the taxs for middle class…. you will see.. he wil get greedy..(ask your self why the u.s. has a 850 bil debt)((maybe because the senate got to00000000 greedy?))

and just to let you know, there is 6% of people in the u.s. which don't work….. with mccain as president, he himself said,"many many times" he will create jobs…
and those 6% is roughly around 3.2m people…
and if those 3.2m people will work, then the people who can't buy groceries and pay for bills will have a bit lower tax.

(with obama in lead, he will dismantle the army, which leave the u.s. weak…

and guess what… maybe the taliban will hit u.s. again… how about that?lol

mccain was the better choice….








and are you kidding? mccain was in the senate for over 22 years, and obama was in the senate for only 4!!!!! LMAO


bro grow up u stupid 10 yr old…

Your post was very entertaining, gave me a good laugh.

1. The bailout was supported by both McCain and Obama so if you say Obama will have to raise taxes than McCain would have done no better. Also, the US is not in 850 bil debt, the US is in almost 10 trillion debt. However, the last time a Democrat was President we were positive at the end of the year. Bush, and not the senate (which was majority democrat for only the past year), got us into a deep ass deficit shithole.

2. That's very nice that McCain said he will create jobs. Has Obama said he will eliminate jobs? No, everyone says shit. Just because McCain said he will create jobs does not mean that he would be able to accomplish that. If McCain said Palin was intelligent, that doesn't make it true!

3. Obama will not dismantle the army. Obama wants to get the hell out of Iraq (where we have no business being, where they want us out by 2011 anyway) and focus on the original goal of catching Bin Laden by sending more troops to Afghanistan. And by the way, the plan for withdrawal in Iraq that Obama proposed during the election, Bush has already begun setting into action.

4. McCain was not the better choice. He was the second coming of George Bush. And if the country had to deal with another Bush for 8 more years we would surely be destroyed. I am not a religious man, but thank God Obama won.

and are you kidding? mccain was in the senate for over 22 years, and obama was in the senate for only 4!!!!! LMAO


bro grow up u stupid 10 yr old…

First, I wanted to address that making fun of someone's age and calling them "stupid" without any proof is not the way to make yourself seem any more mature. (I expect a chidly "I don't care what you thinK" response to this.

Secondly, yes, McCain has more experience as Senator. Experience as a Senator does not mean he is right for the country during this time. Obama's lack of experience is made up for by having a VP with experience and being a very well-educated and smart man.

From: Ejjman1
Started at 250k, then 200k, now down to 150k. Probably will drop more in fact.

Wizzup?, I'm not 18, but my parents pay taxes, both more wealthy than most people, and in case I (we) are gonna get screwed over by taxes.

PS Wizzup, that chart is total propaganda and you are more retarted that anything if you believe that…

Once again, Obama used 1.5 million dollars on a commercial than rather giving it to charity or to the economy. Lol?

Nauman, there was no "thrasing", electoral votes he may have won, but its among the people that really matters, which was about 50/50.

One last thing, why are people talking about color? This shouldn't have anything to do with it, and the votes should not have changed.
To say, if anyone voted for him to say that they were 'a part of history', they should probably die and realize that they are idiots (which I've heard SO many adults say.)

Didn't mean to double post but how is that chart total propaganda? Do you have any facts refuting it? And it is a proven fact that those with a college degree tended to side with Obama while those without a college education tended to side with McCain, so it would only make sense that those with a higher IQ voted for Obama and those with lower IQs voted for McCain. There is a reason the Southern people are portrayed as backward hillbillies (no offense).

PS. Don't call someone retarded and misspell the word "retarded" it makes you look like a complete retard.


Edit: Some facts I found based on a little googling.

From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303667_pf.html
Much of the movement has come among college-educated whites. Whites without college degrees favor McCain by 17 points, while those with college degrees support Obama by 9 points. No Democrat has carried white, college-educated voters in presidential elections dating back to 1980, but they were a key part of Obama's coalition in the primaries.

source - http://www.gallup.com/poll/106381/Obama-Education-Gap-Extends-General-Election.aspx

Both sources are a little old (dealing with the primaries, etc) but I remember hearing on Fox News that the college degree thing held up during the election.

:D hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: lakerzz8
Didn't mean to double post but how is that chart total propaganda? Do you have any facts refuting it? And it is a proven fact that those with a college degree tended to side with Obama while those without a college education tended to side with McCain, so it would only make sense that those with a higher IQ voted for Obama and those with lower IQs voted for McCain. There is a reason the Southern people are portrayed as backward hillbillies (no offense).

PS. Don't call someone retarded and misspell the word "retarded" it makes you look like a complete retard.

I dunno about total propaganda, but you have to remember that every IQ test has some sort of bias, so no IQ measurement is truly objective.

Someone said Obama made 4 million dollars last year? And what did Obama spend on his campaign, over a billion dollars? Before trying to get America to spread the wealth around, how about Obama spreads some of his wealth around to some of his immediate family who are like living out of cardboard boxes or are living on less than one dollar a day in Kenya like his half-brother. Giving some of his family members less than 2% of what he made could have drastically changed their lives. So before Obama goes telling the rest of our country to spread the wealth around to other lazy people, how about Obama spreads some of his wealth to his own family…
:confused:

From: senrath
I dunno about total propaganda, but you have to remember that every IQ test has some sort of bias, so no IQ measurement is truly objective.

Fine, how about the college degree thing I posted. Or this: http://www.gallup.com/poll/108043/Candidate-Support-Education.aspx

Although the last week shows Obama has a lead in every education level, you'll notice the gap is largest in the post-graduate education level.

Edit: Just saw this dumb quote from the other guy:

Once again, Obama used 1.5 million dollars on a commercial than rather giving it to charity or to the economy. Lol?

Right, because John McCain spent his campaign money by donating to charities right? Hello, this is the election, he raised money from people to get himself elected. He didn't raise money to give it back to the people he raised. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

From: gamemotive001
Someone said Obama made 4 million dollars last year? And what did Obama spend on his campaign, over a billion dollars? Before trying to get America to spread the wealth around, how about Obama spreads some of his wealth around to some of his immediate family who are like living out of cardboard boxes or are living on less than one dollar a day in Kenya like his half-brother. Giving some of his family members less than 2% of what he made could have drastically changed their lives. So before Obama goes telling the rest of our country to spread the wealth around to other lazy people, how about Obama spreads some of his wealth to his own family…
:confused:

Right, because the people that donated money to the Obama campaign want him using that money on his family. That makes a lot of sense right?!? :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:

And do you know how much money Obama has given to his family? Do you know their exact situation and circumstances? I doubt it. So don't comment on it because you are probably wrong.

From: lakerzz8
Right, because the people that donated money to the Obama campaign want him using that money on his family. That makes a lot of sense right?!? :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:

And do you know how much money Obama has given to his family? Do you know their exact situation and circumstances? I doubt it. So don't comment on it because you are probably wrong.

Just ignore that guy. He is spamming all over the place, and that was a failed quote attempt. That argument was actually from nobody u kno, a couple of posts up.

From: senrath
Just ignore that guy. He is spamming all over the place, and that was a failed quote attempt. That argument was actually from nobody u kno, a couple of posts up.

I know it wasn't your quote, I said it was from the other guy. But please respond to my post regarding the college degree factor and how more "scholarly" people, if that's how you want to put it, voting for Obama. And since college=making more money, this would indicate the wealthier voted for Obama.

From: lakerzz8
I know it wasn't your quote, I said it was from the other guy. But please respond to my post regarding the college degree factor and how more "scholarly" people, if that's how you want to put it, voting for Obama. And since college=making more money, this would indicate the wealthier voted for Obama.

Um, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't the one quoting nobody u kno.

Anyhoo, there's nothing for me to respond to. I wasn't trying to refute the IQ post earlier, and I'm certainly not gonna try and refute what you posted. I just responded to the IQ post to give a possible explanation as to why it may or may not have been entirely accurate.

For the record, I voted Obama.

From: senrath
Um, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't the one quoting nobody u kno.

Anyhoo, there's nothing for me to respond to. I wasn't trying to refute the IQ post earlier, and I'm certainly not gonna try and refute what you posted. I just responded to the IQ post to give a possible explanation as to why it may or may not have been entirely accurate.

For the record, I voted Obama.

Oh, I see what you're saying now. I didn't realize he copied that whole guy's post without any quotes. My fault.

I find it funny how all the white middle to high class kid-teenagers who have been brainwashed by their parents who have in turn been brainwashed by McCains progandha are raging because Obama won, while really having no idea at all about how the economy or anything else is actually run - who prefer to regurgitate things they've heard their parents have said instead of researching it and coming up with their own opinion themselves (most of this thread)

At everyone planning to leave america because "OMG OLOLOLOL OUR COUNTRY IS SCREWED KNOW", LOL, by all means go for it, I'm sure if everyone who's thinking of leaving actually did leave your country would be better off, the average IQ would probably raise by a few points, just don't come to Australia, because we don't want you

Lakerzz88 you ripped this thread :eek:

Well the world is celebrating obama's victory. Im happy for the people in africa. Bush also called up obama and congratulated him. Happy for obama, really happy. Anyone noticed how much people that were tearing that he won. Emotional stuff.

Go obama! Bring chage to america!

This is probably gonna cause KKK to rise again :/
Hope Obama stops all the fucking useless wars and actually focuses into the problems of Americans, It has been pity that Bush only focused on making wars rather than fixing the problems in USA.

From: The Claw
I find it funny how all the white middle to high class kid-teenagers who have been brainwashed by their parents who have in turn been brainwashed by McCains progandha are raging because Obama won, while really having no idea at all about how the economy or anything else is actually run - who prefer to regurgitate things they've heard their parents have said instead of researching it and coming up with their own opinion themselves (most of this thread)

I find it funny how all the white middle to high class kid-teenagers who have been brainwashed by their parents who have in turn been brainwashed by the media and other sources are ecstatic while they have no idea how the economy or anything else is actually run - who prefur to regurgitate things they've heard their parents have said instead of researching it and coming up with their own opinion themselves.

(Why white people..?)

From: lakerzz8


4. McCain was not the better choice. He was the second coming of George Bush. And if the country had to deal with another Bush for 8 more years we would surely be destroyed. I am not a religious man, but thank God Obama won.

This is not a challenge, just a question - Why was George Bush bad? I don't know much about him since I was like 8-10 years old when all the stuff was happening, and obviously I didn't pay much attention to it then.

From: lakerzz8
Didn't mean to double post but how is that chart total propaganda? Do you have any facts refuting it? And it is a proven fact that those with a college degree tended to side with Obama while those without a college education tended to side with McCain, so it would only make sense that those with a higher IQ voted for Obama and those with lower IQs voted for McCain. There is a reason the Southern people are portrayed as backward hillbillies (no offense).

PS. Don't call someone retarded and misspell the word "retarded" it makes you look like a complete retard.


Edit: Some facts I found based on a little googling.



source - http://www.gallup.com/poll/106381/Obama-Education-Gap-Extends-General-Election.aspx

Both sources are a little old (dealing with the primaries, etc) but I remember hearing on Fox News that the college degree thing held up during the election.

If that's true, I'm having a very hard time believing it. Obviously, college grads should have good jobs with good pay, and the less education you had, the less money you probably made. So I'm not buying that the people who make little money voted for McCain and those who make a lot of money voted for Obama, it just doesn't make any sense.

+ With all the dumb people who say, "I voted for Obama cause I want to see a historic moment", or all the African-Americans who voted for him just because he's black (Again, I don't really blame them, it'd be really weird to see a black voter supporting McCain, but if I were black, and over 18, then I just wouldn't vote, tbh). Those only make this even unlikelier.

(By the way, other than those two things above, I agree with most of the stuff you've said, lakerzz, since my last post)

From: The Claw
I find it funny how all the white middle to high class kid-teenagers who have been brainwashed by their parents who have in turn been brainwashed by McCains progandha are raging because Obama won, while really having no idea at all about how the economy or anything else is actually run - who prefer to regurgitate things they've heard their parents have said instead of researching it and coming up with their own opinion themselves (most of this thread)

At everyone planning to leave america because "OMG OLOLOLOL OUR COUNTRY IS SCREWED KNOW", LOL, by all means go for it, I'm sure if everyone who's thinking of leaving actually did leave your country would be better off, the average IQ would probably raise by a few points, just don't come to Australia, because we don't want you

I find it amusing that you're saying McCain supporters have been brainwashed by the media. The only thing you ever heard on the news before the election was "Palin was a stupid VP pick", "McCain is old", "Obama wants change, we need change!", etc. It was totally biased towards Obama. Near the last week or two before the election (basically after Obama finally gave McCain an easy way to prove he was a socialist with his conversation with Joe the Plumber), it pretty much evened out. But before that, completely biased towards Obama.

And how can you say 'McCain supporters from middle-school to high school don't know how the economy works', when Obama supporters are most likely the exact same? Might as well just say this whole argument is completely pointless…

Some of us might be 'raging', sort of, but we're actually debating in pretty much the same way as we were before the election. Except now, instead of

"If Obama becomes president, he wil…."

It's now

"Since Obama is president, this will happen: …."

But all in all, it's the same thing.

From: Runescapian

And how can you say 'McCain supporters from middle-school to high school don't know how the economy works', when Obama supporters are most likely the exact same? Might as well just say this whole argument is completely pointless…

The whole argument really is kinda pointless, if you think about it. We don't know for sure what Obama is going to do, and what McCain may or may not have done is kind of irrelevant at this point.

From: senrath
The whole argument really is kinda pointless, if you think about it. We don't know for sure what Obama is going to do, and what McCain may or may not have done is kind of irrelevant at this point.

Well, the point of most debates is to basically predict what will happen if you do this or this, or if you think this is real, etc. And we're basically debating how well/bad Obama will do. When I said "You might as well say this whole argument is pointless…" I meant that supposedly we have no idea how the economy works and therefore we have no idea what we're arguing about.

From: lakerzz8
Right, because the people that donated money to the Obama campaign want him using that money on his family. That makes a lot of sense right?!? :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:

And do you know how much money Obama has given to his family? Do you know their exact situation and circumstances? I doubt it. So don't comment on it because you are probably wrong.

I never said to use the campaign money. Just bringing up a fact that he has the record for most money spent on a campaign. What i was trying to say is that he made 4 million dollars last year, and a lot of his family is living off of nothing. So what im saying is he should try to spread some of his wealth to his own family before he tries to make the rest of the country spread their wealth around to lazy people.

From: Runescapian
This is not a challenge, just a question - Why was George Bush bad? I don't know much about him since I was like 8-10 years old when all the stuff was happening, and obviously I didn't pay much attention to it then.

I don't really want to give a whole history lesson here, you can look up most of this stuff with a simple search on google. What I will say though is that Bush currently has something like a 25 percent approval rating which is the lowest for any President. Here's a chart to show how his approval has dropped:


It's important to note after Sept 11, Bush had the highest approval rating of any President and now he has the lowest. So it's not like the people were always against him.

If that's true, I'm having a very hard time believing it. Obviously, college grads should have good jobs with good pay, and the less education you had, the less money you probably made. So I'm not buying that the people who make little money voted for McCain and those who make a lot of money voted for Obama, it just doesn't make any sense.

+ With all the dumb people who say, "I voted for Obama cause I want to see a historic moment", or all the African-Americans who voted for him just because he's black (Again, I don't really blame them, it'd be really weird to see a black voter supporting McCain, but if I were black, and over 18, then I just wouldn't vote, tbh). Those only make this even unlikelier.

(By the way, other than those two things above, I agree with most of the stuff you've said, lakerzz, since my last post)

Gallup is the most famous polling organization. If you don't believe their numbers I don't know how else I can prove to you it is true. I personally saw it reported on Fox News and remember hearing it from other sources.

Here are some other exit polls: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

If you look at all of them, I guess they tell a slightly different story, but they still show Obama winning in the highest income range (as well as the 3 lowest) and winning with all college grads, etc, but the numbers differ from the gallup poll.

From: nobody u kno
I never said to use the campaign money. Just bringing up a fact that he has the record for most money spent on a campaign. What i was trying to say is that he made 4 million dollars last year, and a lot of his family is living off of nothing. So what im saying is he should try to spread some of his wealth to his own family before he tries to make the rest of the country spread their wealth around to lazy people.

Do you know whether or not Obama donates any money to his family or his relationship to any of them? If you do, please shed some light on how you know. If you don't, you really are in no position to talk about them. Seeing as how Obama was raised by his Grandmother, I don't know how close he was with any of his other relatives.

I don't really want to give a whole history lesson here, you can look up most of this stuff with a simple search on google. What I will say though is that Bush currently has something like a 25 percent approval rating which is the lowest for any President. Here's a chart to show how his approval has dropped:

Approval means nothing to me :\ In my opinion, the media played a huge part in that, and I don't believe I've ever heard them talk about any of the good things George Bush did. I guess I'll try to find something other than the war (which I approve of how he handled) and the debts (which came from the war basically) on google later.

EDIT: And the economy… I've heard that started when Bill Clinton was president, and the economy looked great until…mid 2007 I think? (Was that when it started dropping?). If so, then it's just as much the Democratic Congress' fault as much as Bush's, since it was only noticeable when both of them were in office.

Is there anything else major that many people don't approve of?

Gallup is the most famous polling organization. If you don't believe their numbers I don't know how else I can prove to you it is true. I personally saw it reported on Fox News and remember hearing it from other sources.

Here are some other exit polls: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

If you look at all of them, I guess they tell a slightly different story, but they still show Obama winning in the highest income range (as well as the 3 lowest) and winning with all college grads, etc, but the numbers differ from the gallup poll.

Interesting site, nice :) Well, the income doesn't mean much, since the highest category is 200k+. Anybody from 200-250 (probably at least 50% of the 200k+) would have a decent reason to vote for Obama, and the multi-millionares (not that many, but still probably a good 10-20% of the 200k+) who, as tarajunky mentioned on the 'Is Barack Obama a Socialist?' thread, feel they aren't worthy of all the wealth they have, and they want to give it away. That's dumb though, in my opinion, because if you donated it yourself to charities, you would get respected, but now Obama is doing it for you, and you'll be just another taxpayer >_<. The education thing….Well, I don't know what to say about that, you win on that topic? :p

Lol @ how all non-whites in an overwhelming majority voted for Obama :p

EDIT: Wait a minute, exit polls? >_< Especially on education, I bet any money millions of people were like, "I'm going to say I'm a postgraduate so Obama looks better".

Can that likes Obama tell me any of his policies…? because the people I have talked to have not had any clue what they were and that is just plain stupid to vote for someone that you don't even know their policies…

From: Runescapian
Approval means nothing to me :\ In my opinion, the media played a huge part in that, and I don't believe I've ever heard them talk about any of the good things George Bush did. I guess I'll try to find something other than the war (which I approve of how he handled) and the debts (which came from the war basically) on google later.

EDIT: And the economy… I've heard that started when Bill Clinton was president, and the economy looked great until…mid 2007 I think? (Was that when it started dropping?). If so, then it's just as much the Democratic Congress' fault as much as Bush's, since it was only noticeable when both of them were in office.

Is there anything else major that many people don't approve of?

Interesting site, nice :) Well, the income doesn't mean much, since the highest category is 200k+. Anybody from 200-250 (probably at least 50% of the 200k+) would have a decent reason to vote for Obama, and the multi-millionares (not that many, but still probably a good 10-20% of the 200k+) who, as tarajunky mentioned on the 'Is Barack Obama a Socialist?' thread, feel they aren't worthy of all the wealth they have, and they want to give it away. That's dumb though, in my opinion, because if you donated it yourself to charities, you would get respected, but now Obama is doing it for you, and you'll be just another taxpayer >_<. The education thing….Well, I don't know what to say about that, you win on that topic? :p

Lol @ how all non-whites in an overwhelming majority voted for Obama :p

EDIT: Wait a minute, exit polls? >_< Especially on education, I bet any money millions of people were like, "I'm going to say I'm a postgraduate so Obama looks better".

Do you honestly believe that a 90 percent approval rating from 2001 dropped to 25 percent by 2008 all because of the media? I mean I know it has a strong influence, but reporting without facts would only do so much, especially to the people that voted for him. I understand if that number would be around 50 (democrats would disapprove of him no matter what), but at 25, you have half of republicans that voted for him disapproving of him too. The role the media played is giving the people the information, and playing his soundbites where he makes himself look like an idiot over and over again.

And I completely disagree with tarajunky's "theory." It makes no sense whatsoever that people who made big money (and unless you inherited it, you worked hard for it. Making an idea or turning an idea into gold is not easy, otherwise everyone would be doing it) want to just give it away because they feel bad. If this was the case, our whole capitalistic system would collapse because capitalism is based on the assumption that everyone works for themselves and because of that, society benefits. I make the best possible shoes because I want to get paid, but by making the best shoes, the people wearing them benefit.

I would take your bet because I doubt "millions" of people lied on their exit polls. There is a lack of motivation to lie and by selecting random groups and random people you hopefully minimize the effects of those. Even if only 1 out of every 10 people lied, there would be equal number of McCain supporters who lied to make McCain look good. So I doubt that is really a factor and not a valid reason for discounting the polls.

From: mormonman
Can that likes Obama tell me any of his policies…? because the people I have talked to have not had any clue what they were and that is just plain stupid to vote for someone that you don't even know their policies…

Exactly what policies do you want to know about? There are so many issues that is impossible to know where he stands on every single one unless you're specific.

I'm assuming you're a McCain supporter? Which of his policies suited you?

From: blumblebee
Why do you think that America is in a recession you dummy, he made shitty decisions.

I'm not one to get into american politics, but after studying it a bit, (got tired of looking like that foreigner bush basher) Your president bush couldn't get any of his decisions that could of prevented the economy from turning into what it is. Take a look at the previous presidents decisions, it is entirely not president bushes fault for this turmoil. I don't want to cause an argument or whatever, but study a bit before you say ill about a good man :p

From: lakerzz8
Do you honestly believe that a 90 percent approval rating from 2001 dropped to 25 percent by 2008 all because of the media? I mean I know it has a strong influence, but reporting without facts would only do so much, especially to the people that voted for him. I understand if that number would be around 50 (democrats would disapprove of him no matter what), but at 25, you have half of republicans that voted for him disapproving of him too. The role the media played is giving the people the information, and playing his soundbites where he makes himself look like an idiot over and over again.

Pretty much. It's one thing if the media doesn't talk about anything good that the president is doing. It's another if they also make it seem like every bad thing is his fault.

And everyone has soundbites, maybe some more than others.

And I completely disagree with tarajunky's "theory." It makes no sense whatsoever that people who made big money (and unless you inherited it, you worked hard for it. Making an idea or turning an idea into gold is not easy, otherwise everyone would be doing it) want to just give it away because they feel bad. If this was the case, our whole capitalistic system would collapse because capitalism is based on the assumption that everyone works for themselves and because of that, society benefits. I make the best possible shoes because I want to get paid, but by making the best shoes, the people wearing them benefit.

As I think you (or kingarabian?) said earlier, people like George Bush or….well I can't think of too many right now, but many people only get what they have because of their family. Would George Bush be where he is right now if his father hadn't been president before? People like him obviously didn't have to work as hard as others would, and some of those people would fall under tarajunky's theory. In my eyes, socialism is like a mandatory charity where you must give your money to those with less money, exactly what Obama wants to do.

I would take your bet because I doubt "millions" of people lied on their exit polls. There is a lack of motivation to lie and by selecting random groups and random people you hopefully minimize the effects of those. Even if only 1 out of every 10 people lied, there would be equal number of McCain supporters who lied to make McCain look good. So I doubt that is really a factor and not a valid reason for discounting the polls.

You said it yourself - Since it was a one time vote, as far as I know (unlike say, for instance, the pre-election polls), and random people were picked, etc. If you were a guy who had no education and made 20k a year, would you honestly tell someone that, even under anonymity? I definitely wouldn't. But I hate to lie, so I wouldn't take the poll in the first place, but not everyone is like me.


EDIT: Nobody has given a good answer as to where Obama will get all the money he needs for all his projects, plans, etc. :\

He raised 650 million dollars by chanting "Yes we can".

Just think. He raised 650 million just to run an election. If people are willing to chip in 650 million just for PR, why wouldn't they be willing to chip in 10 times more than that to actually DO something?

I think Obama should go back to all his supporters than financed his campaign and tell them "Now it's time to put your money where your mouth is and pay for real change".

Besides, there are campaign limits where you can only put in $2300. No such limit exists for raising money on behalf of the government, so why not hit up all the rich liberals for a few million apiece to do some good?

He's not president YET, not until January anyway…

Obama = Antichrist. :rolleyes:

i didnt really care for mcain or obama… but its whatvever…