SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

Note: This is a thread for who you think is going to win, according to all of the polls and stuff, NOT who you WANT TO WIN.

With election day in less than a week, who do you think will win the election: Barack Obama, Of John McCain.

It's going to be close, but Barack will take the win.

I've got money on Obama winning. It's getting closer than it was before, but Obama is still killing McCain in the electoral polls. It's looking better for McCain, but he's still down by a lot, and time is running out. Current polls say Obama will win with 375 electoral VS 163 for McCain. I'm pretty confident Obama will win. If he doesn't I'm losing money.

I also think it will be Obama.

Why is there no poll on this thread? :p

I got money on Obama, so he better win

Obama has 311 votes pretty much guarenteed so far, and you only need 270 to win. The question now is how good will he do and will he get reelected :p

yeah I definatly am going for Obama, I like his views/ideas more than McCains.

GO MCCAIN! Obama is horrible!

I think obama is going to win, but polls dont mean anything at the moment..

A McCain win would probably be the biggest upset in more than 50 years.

I think Obama will win, but you never know!

I read a quote somewhere that if McCain wins there will be violent 'riots' in the streets, but if Obama wins there will be violent 'celebrations' in the streets. (Kind of like idiotic people rioting when their team wins the Super Bowl or NBA finals????)

Same behavior, cloaked in the pro-Obama media spin we have all come to expect.

From: tarajunky
A McCain win would probably be the biggest upset in more than 50 years.

I think Obama will win, but you never know!

I read a quote somewhere that if McCain wins there will be violent 'riots' in the streets, but if Obama wins there will be violent 'celebrations' in the streets. (Kind of like idiotic people rioting when their team wins the Super Bowl or NBA finals????)

Same behavior, cloaked in the pro-Obama media spin we have all come to expect.

Wow if mccain pulls the upset…. :eek:

But it is an up hill battle for him.

I'm feeling pretty confident Obama's going to win. I mean come on, he's got George Clooney, Tom Hanks and Will Smith on his side. There was a collaboration video somewhere of all these rappers/movie stars talking about Obama but I can't seem to find it atm.

From: TravisV10
GO MCCAIN! Obama is horrible!

He may be horrible , but doesnt mean he wont win ;)

I want Mcain to but Obama will.

If McCain promised to run only one term I think he'd have a better chance, and I'd be in more favor of him… but this isn't the case.

I don't know, this all could be hype with the polls. I'm sure many people when they get in the polling booth, they might say they are voting for obama, but then they don't vote, or they say, "why am I voting for obama?"

I don't know, it is very close.

Cut em2 it

Nobody knows why they're voting for people.

Most people aren't educated about the candidates to even know the negatives.

I'm voting for McCain simply because of his political experience differential over Obama.

John McCain might win!
Why do I think this, Obama has lost 2 points according to www.realclearpolitics.com
whilst McCain has gained 3!!

Maybe McCain can claw it all back - remember he has reduced a 10 point lead into a 5 point one

From: NaumanAkhlaQ
John McCain might win!
Why do I think this, Obama has lost 2 points according to www.realclearpolitics.com
whilst McCain has gained 3!!

Maybe McCain can claw it all back - remember he has reduced a 10 point lead into a 5 point one

McCain has now turned this election into a referendum on Obama. You either think he's qualified, trustworthy, and has the same American values that you do, or you have to vote against him.

It also helps that he has finally settled onto one main message, (Obama's tax hikes/wealth redistribution) and that his message is related to the future of the economy, which is almost everyone's top issue now.

obama sucks, i would explain why but naaah…he will probably win though…sadly. We're so screwed

hate me if u want but i have my reasons

He lost 3 points in the national poll, but hes gaining alot of electoral votes. His lead is 291-313 to 164-174 by mccain.

From: NaumanAkhlaQ
John McCain might win!
Why do I think this, Obama has lost 2 points according to www.realclearpolitics.com
whilst McCain has gained 3!!

Maybe McCain can claw it all back - remember he has reduced a 10 point lead into a 5 point one

Sadly its not that poll that counts.

I dunno, Its got close today aswell.
Sky news are fucking bias!
Also im an Obama supporter I hate McCain. I mean do we want a president which reads from que-card, come on!

From: NaumanAkhlaQ
I dunno, Its got close today aswell.
Sky news are fucking bias!
Also im an Obama supporter I hate McCain. I mean do we want a president which reads from que-card, come on!

And we need a Socialist? >_<

Obama will win, America will fall, then I'm moving back to Europe… *Sigh* Well, my 10 years here was fun…

Obama > Socialism.

He's talking about: everyone pay taxes, everyone does better in the end.

Mccain's electoral count has dropped from 163 to 160. His home state that was keeps for him, is now leaning.

Obama's count is still 293 at the moment.

From: TheVoiceInYourHead
Obama > Socialism.

He's talking about: everyone pay taxes, everyone does better in the end.

? He's talking about: Rich people pay taxes (even though the top 10% of richest people in US already pay about 70% of the US's taxes), middle class gets some cuts, people with no jobs get free money. == Socialism

From: TheVoiceInYourHead
Obama > Socialism.

He's talking about: everyone pay taxes, everyone does better in the end.

He's not saying that at all.

40% of all adults already pay NO income taxes.

He wants to take almost $100 billion per year from the top 2% who create 16 million jobs and transfer over $100 billion to people who don't pay taxes.

If he was saying we all pay in and share the burden, that would be one thing. But he's not, and never has. It's called "redistribution of wealth" for a reason.

From: Runescapian
And we need a Socialist? >_<

Obama will win, America will fall, then I'm moving back to Europe… *Sigh* Well, my 10 years here was fun…

Mccain himself said, "even if obama wins, its not the end of world. Hes a good person".

I hope Obama wins.

From: kingarabian
Mccain himself said, "even if obama wins, its not the end of world. Hes a good person".

He's right. It's not the end of the world. It's the end of the US ;) Lol, OK, maybe I exagerrated a bit. It might not be the end of the US, but it will probably start falling apart. Personally, I have seen NO, absolutely NONE, good arguments on why Obama would be better than McCain. Brown, in his recent post, absolutely picked Obama apart. If we could somehow get what he said to the media….:D


Did anyone realize that whoever wins the election here will be President during December 23, 2012? :eek:

From: NaumanAkhlaQ
I dunno, Its got close today aswell.
Sky news are fucking bias!
Also im an Obama supporter I hate McCain. I mean do we want a president which reads from que-card, come on!

LOL McCain may use que cards, Obama uses a teleprompter, they wont let him speak without it! Same thing with Biden! You get Obama off a teleprompter and he is a blumbering fool (he still says a lot of uhhs and ums with one)

From: sirlaughsalot
LOL McCain may use que cards, Obama uses a teleprompter, they wont let him speak without it! Same thing with Biden! You get Obama off a teleprompter and he is a blumbering fool (he still says a lot of uhhs and ums with one)

Well hey, don't go misunderestimating Bush even when he has them >.<. Obama used to have lots of pauses when he talked, but by the third debate he got a lot better. (Edit: Let's not forget Palin too ;))

Obama isn't socialist. The friggin' socialist candidate for presidency went on The Colbert Report and said that himself :p. Most European countries are socialist (to my knowledge), and I bet if they turned into a federation with a common military they could kick the crap out of us :)

From: Runescapian
He's right. It's not the end of the world. It's the end of the US ;) Lol, OK, maybe I exagerrated a bit. It might not be the end of the US, but it will probably start falling apart. Personally, I have seen NO, absolutely NONE, good arguments on why Obama would be better than McCain. Brown, in his recent post, absolutely picked Obama apart. If we could somehow get what he said to the media….:D


Did anyone realize that whoever wins the election here will be President during December 23, 2012? :eek:

Dont you think there has to be someone with more knowledge then brown on the mccain campaign? Im 100% there at least 1 million mccain backers have more knowledge and can say more about obama then brown ever did. But they have not said anything, because they always use a "fact checker". While most of brown's comments are true, there still misleading and have some false to them.

From: Runescapian
Personally, I have seen NO, absolutely NONE, good arguments on why Obama would be better than McCain.

I've got a reason.

1. We are in times of economic crisis, caused by sub-prime mortgage stuff in America.
2. The republican party was in power for the last 8 years.
3. In the minds of most people, that means the republican party was responsible.
4. McCain is a member of the republican party
5. Therefore he should not be in power.


you can see how much hurts McCain, he talks about the economy a lot, probably so try to dispel the impression that his party caused the crisis.


also, there are a lot of people promoting the idea that Obama is a socialist, trying to imply that means he is bad with economy.

also, there was the rumour started that Obama caused the economic crisis by passing a few bills that forced banks to give sub prime mortgages, and that McCain opposed those bills.
but i don't think anyone has mentioned this for a few weeks now, so i guess they realised its not effective or no one was taking it seriously or whatever.


you yourself might not see any reason, but most Americans can, which is why Obama seems to be winning.
from what I've heard, the explanation for this is that they are all stupid.

From: Widget
Well hey, don't go misunderestimating Bush even when he has them >.<. Obama used to have lots of pauses when he talked, but by the third debate he got a lot better. (Edit: Let's not forget Palin too ;))

Obama isn't socialist. The friggin' socialist candidate for presidency went on The Colbert Report and said that himself :p. Most European countries are socialist (to my knowledge), and I bet if they turned into a federation with a common military they could kick the crap out of us :)

What? I dont get what you are talking about? I dont see how people look at the President's past as a story of triumph instead of a story of a "moron". The fact is this "moron" beat the "intelectuals" twice, the only reason it was close was because of the one-sided-ness of the media.

The Colbert Report? I watch that show (I get disgusted at times but it can be pretty funny), but the socialist candidate was right and wrong, Obama wants to turn us to socialism, you have to take baby steps not leaps. Using taxpayer money to cover the debts of companies is taking a step towards socialism, while he may not induce radical change it will be a radical change soon enough.

From: Yakman
I've got a reason.

1. We are in times of economic crisis, caused by sub-prime mortgage stuff in America.
2. The republican party was in power for the last 8 years.
3. In the minds of most people, that means the republican party was responsible.
4. McCain is a member of the republican party
5. Therefore he should not be in power.

This is where the media comes into play, because you see, whatever the people hear is all they know. The "Media" (defined as MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, NBC) influences the people greatly, and with them so in the tank for Obama it muddies the waters and they dont report some things and spin others. It is a FACT that republicans were trying to get more regulation on freddy/fanny, and the democrats shot it down, motivation being, they were profiting from it via campaign donations ect.

From: Yakman

you can see how much hurts McCain, he talks about the economy a lot, probably so try to dispel the impression that his party caused the crisis.


also, there are a lot of people promoting the idea that Obama is a socialist, trying to imply that means he is bad with economy.

also, there was the rumour started that Obama caused the economic crisis by passing a few bills that forced banks to give sub prime mortgages, and that McCain opposed those bills.
but i don't think anyone has mentioned this for a few weeks now, so i guess they realised its not effective or no one was taking it seriously or whatever.


you yourself might not see any reason, but most Americans can, which is why Obama seems to be winning.
from what I've heard, the explanation for this is that they are all stupid.

I do not believe the mass of America's public is stupid, just ill-informed. Obama didnt pass those bills, those were WAY before his time. It was Clinton who did that, the only reason it hasnt been brought up is because I have already tried to use that fact but you (among others) completely ignore it. Obama is winning because a lot of people are sheep, if you ever listen to shows like Sean Hannity they go on the streets of New York and interview random people asking who they are voting for and why they are voting for whomever, and most of the time it is for Obama and they are voting for him because of "change" and "he will be better for the middle class". When that is simply not true at all, it is the fault of the media for not investigating and reporting what they know.

Question of the day: What's wrong with socialism?

http://www.creators.com/opinion/joseph-farah.html

The media is always for the Democratic Party candidate. Its pretty much a fact of life. There was a news article on the home page of Comcast yesterday saying "Studies show that the Media favors Obama" I mean they are just figuring that out now. I found that pretty hilarious. The media is always for the Democrats but they seem to really love Obama for some reason. I still have some hope that McCain will keep our country from complete disaster, not in what he does if hes president but keeping Obama out of office. And even in McCain somehow does win, ill bet now that Obama will be back in the '12 or '16 election guaranteed.

Just thought id throw this in even though its way old news, but its going to be the same way for the election and in every state. Out of every single county in PA EVERY single one was for Clinton during the primary except for Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and State College. (Penn State Campus = 50,000 students)

Media can be misleading. Also, we will know when the elections are over.

VOTE MCCAIN IF YOU HAVE ANY BRAIN CELLS

It's not that media can be misleading, it's that media is misleading.

From: Markus
Question of the day: What's wrong with socialism?

It probably works well for most countries that currently use it, but it would be terrible for the US. The whole concept of America is freedom and a big part of it is the 'American Dream'. If Socialism comes along, no more American Dream. Come to think of it, if Obama inputs his tax thing (take from the hard-working wealthy and give to the middle class and people with no jobs), the American Dream won't be what it is now.

From: Runescapian
It probably works well for most countries that currently use it, but it would be terrible for the US. The whole concept of America is freedom and a big part of it is the 'American Dream'. If Socialism comes along, no more American Dream. Come to think of it, if Obama inputs his tax thing (take from the hard-working wealthy and give to the middle class and people with no jobs), the American Dream won't be what it is now.

So…with today's system; give anyone a loan and slap him with a nice interest, have him pay his mortgage for 30 years, and if he doesnt take the house back. Thats considered freedom?

From: kingarabian
So…with today's system; give anyone a loan and slap him with a nice interest, have him pay his mortgage for 30 years, and if he doesnt take the house back. Thats considered freedom?

Um, yeah? You're saying that we should be giving free houses away? Or am I missing something O_o?

From: Runescapian
Um, yeah? You're saying that we should be giving free houses away? Or am I missing something O_o?

Wanna know the reason for foreclosures and banks going bankrupt? The high interest rate. You see with 20% of your income going to taxes, you dont have extra money to buy a new car or a new house without takin a loan. And when you take a loan from the bank you get no-were. Yes you got what you want but your going to be paying for it a whole lot. If the banks/feds were not greedy then life would be much easier.

Say you wanna buy a new Acura. It costs 17k. Those 17k went to taxes. So what you do you go to the bank. The bank slaps you double. They give you 17k and you buy the car, but you have to owe back the bank 34-40k. They wont lend you 17k and you pay an extra 3k more or something. So I dont see the freedom here. Were banks and feds controlling everything.

From: kingarabian
Wanna know the reason for foreclosures and banks going bankrupt? The high interest rate. You see with 20% of your income going to taxes, you dont have extra money to buy a new car or a new house without takin a loan. And when you take a loan from the bank you get no-were. Yes you got what you want but your going to be paying for it a whole lot. If the banks/feds were not greedy then life would be much easier.

Say you wanna buy a new Acura. It costs 17k. Those 17k went to taxes. So what you do you go to the bank. The bank slaps you double. They give you 17k and you buy the car, but you have to owe back the bank 34-40k. They wont lend you 17k and you pay an extra 3k more or something. So I dont see the freedom here. Were banks and feds controlling everything.

Educate yourself first. Its called interest, its how loans work. Nothings a free service. You cant borrow $17,000 for awhile. If you do your gonna have to pay more. You think the government controls a lot here, then you should definitely not be voting for Obama. Its a known fact that Liberals want more government control while conservatives want less. Socialism = Government owns EVERYTHING.

From: nobody u kno
Educate yourself first. Its called interest, its how loans work. Nothings a free service. You cant borrow $17,000 for awhile. If you do your gonna have to pay more. You think the government controls a lot here, then you should definitely not be voting for Obama. Its a known fact that Liberals want more government control while conservatives want less. Socialism = Government owns EVERYTHING.

I did not say for the banks to give 17000 dollars like that. I suggested for them to cut the interest rates.

And obama is not a socialist end of story. Seriously I like how some of you guys stretched it.

From: kingarabian
I did not say for the banks to give 17000 dollars like that. I suggested for them to cut the interest rates.

And obama is not a socialist end of story. Seriously I like how some of you guys stretched it.

Have good credit and you wont have to worry, it was Sub-Prime mortgages, which means, mortgages to people with low wages and who haven't prooven to be good for it(as in paying the banks back). It wasnt wall-street's fault for "being greedy" it was the peoples fault, and the government's because they forced the banks to give people sub-prime mortgages. I would say more the government's because they started the vicious cycle.

From: sirlaughsalot
the government's because they forced the banks to give people sub-prime mortgages.

i seriously dont see how thats even possible,
laws seem to force people to not do things, you're not allowed to kill people or whatever,

how can you force someone to do something,


its like passing a law that forces people to sell strawberry flavored ice cream,
<person> but i dont want to sell that flavor!
<government> tough, you're doing it!

it doesnt work like that,


also, the ice cream sellers have loads of money and friends in high places, such a law would never be passed.

From: Yakman
i seriously dont see how thats even possible,
laws seem to force people to not do things, you're not allowed to kill people or whatever,

how can you force someone to do something,


its like passing a law that forces people to sell strawberry flavored ice cream,
<person> but i dont want to sell that flavor!
<government> tough, you're doing it!

it doesnt work like that,


also, the ice cream sellers have loads of money and friends in high places, such a law would never be passed.

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe a bill was passed that did exactly that.

@kingarabian

Consider yourself lucky if you/your parents pay just 20% income tax. My parents pay about 40, and Obama wants to drastically raise that on us. == Not fair. Btw - My parents are doctors. I'm assuming all doctors pay about this much now and will pay much more if Obama becomes president. Soon, it won't be worth going through all those years of Med School and residency just to be getting a job where you get a good salary, but give over half to the government. Less doctors = higher healthcare costs. Now, Obama wants the government to pay that. Therefore - higher taxes.

Obama will win… Even though I don't want him to win that is what will happen. McCain would be such a better president but there's too many ignorant people in the world for him to win.
Edit: did anyone hear about how he spent 6 million dollars for a 30 minute infomercial on a few main network stations a few days ago? ROFL

From: Yakman
i seriously dont see how thats even possible,
laws seem to force people to not do things, you're not allowed to kill people or whatever,

how can you force someone to do something,


its like passing a law that forces people to sell strawberry flavored ice cream,
<person> but i dont want to sell that flavor!
<government> tough, you're doing it!

it doesnt work like that,


also, the ice cream sellers have loads of money and friends in high places, such a law would never be passed.

lol do you know what taxes are? that is forcing someone to do something, they would have to pay high penalties if they didnt give those loans, thats how they would force them… Weve been through this before…

From: nhstarter10
Obama will win… Even though I don't want him to win that is what will happen. McCain would be such a better president but there's too many ignorant people in the world for him to win.
Edit: did anyone hear about how he spent 6 million dollars for a 30 minute infomercial on a few main network stations a few days ago? ROFL

Well, actually, I don't mind that, because the money that he used was given to him by donators strictly just to advertise his campaign (Stupid donators :rolleyes:).

By the way - Anyone know how he's going to get all that money for those new projects (new energy, free healthcare, etc.) when he promises to bring down taxes and bring down all of the debts the US owes to other countries :confused:

Hes going to raise taxes on people… how else? IMO we are all going to be broke pretty soon lol.

UGh, I knew this was going to get out of hand… T.T

So majority says Obama…

and with 2 days until election day…

From: noodlesalan
UGh, I knew this was going to get out of hand… T.T

So majority says Obama…

and with 2 days until election day…

I <3 debate threads because i always win ;) but seriously, this is the internet, it tends to lean towards the left…

From: sirlaughsalot
I <3 debate threads because i always win ;) but seriously, this is the internet, it tends to lean towards the left…

It's not too hard to win when you're arguing against Obama/for McCain :rolleyes:

I'm not giving up my hopes on McCain though, he has a decent chance. I'd say it's probably like 64% chance that Obama wins, 35% that McCain wins, 1% Other (Ralph Nater wins, the world blows up, all the candidates die, etc O_o).

From: Runescapian
It's not too hard to win when you're arguing against Obama/for McCain :rolleyes:

I'm not giving up my hopes on McCain though, he has a decent chance. I'd say it's probably like 64% chance that Obama wins, 35% that McCain wins, 1% Other (Ralph Nater wins, the world blows up, all the candidates die, etc O_o).

I think that McCain will win, but Obama will be the President, hopefully the ACORN effects will be reversed but i doubt it. I do think its funny the past 2 elections republicans have won without the state with the most electoral votes.

It also is kinda funny that in the days when racism was rampant in the south were the days when the Democrat's controlled them. Yet black people follow Democrats en-masse (not all mind you, but the majority). It really is sad because Democrats know that if you want to have power you have to have people below you and have them rely on you. So they promise all of these social programs to make them reliant on the government.

All of this stuff is very elaborate and i think highly intelligent on the Democrats part, but the ideas they preach are impractical and intend to keep people opressed.

But yea, if someone actually wastes their vote with Nader…. no comment.

I'm writing in a nominee: Brian Peppers.

That'd be hilarious.
I take that back.
That would be terrible.

Im very surprised to see that the majority of the people on this thread are for McCain. All the other threads ive ran into on the internet are full of ill-informed and media brainwashed liberals who couldnt form their opinion if their life depended on it.

Uhm, most of the people here are liberal, not conservative.

The people who are conservative are voicing their opinions the most, that's why.

Why do all the pro-McCain posts suddenly calling everyone else ignorant/brainwashed? Obama plans to pay for his new programs by getting rid of useless government-funded programs, I'm pretty sure he's said that on all three of the presidential debates, but it's not like any McCain supporters would watch that.. :rolleyes: Also, isn't Obama just raising taxes to pre-Bush times? It's not that severe…

Why does everyone keep calling Obama Socialist? "Baby steps" my arse, Socialism is NOT the same as a Communist Totalitarian Dictatorship, get it through your head.

(Offtopic, but are words like communist supposed to be capitalized?)

From: sirlaughsalot
I <3 debate threads because i always win ;) but seriously, this is the internet, it tends to lean towards the left…

Congratulations for being class-less.


@runescapeian

I have 6 children in my family including me. My parents like to have sex. More children the less taxes ;).

I dont like obama's tax plan because I myself want to have a career were I will make alot of money.

But I like his other plans.


And the reason why you mccain backers mainly win, is because the lack of obama supporters on this forum and what you guys like to debate is ridiculous when you know the facts.

From: Widget
Why do all the pro-McCain posts suddenly calling everyone else ignorant/brainwashed? Obama plans to pay for his new programs by getting rid of useless government-funded programs, I'm pretty sure he's said that on all three of the presidential debates, but it's not like any McCain supporters would watch that.. :rolleyes: Also, isn't Obama just raising taxes to pre-Bush times? It's not that severe…

Why does everyone keep calling Obama Socialist? "Baby steps" my arse, Socialism is NOT the same as a Communist Totalitarian Dictatorship, get it through your head.

(Offtopic, but are words like communist supposed to be capitalized?)

Because it is true, the majority of americans have been tricked in a way into their way of thinking, by the mainstream media (please if you are gonna debate with me read my other posts and bring up something new). He is gonna fund his programs with "useless government-funded programs". I have an extreme idea! How bout, we get rid of those programs, and dont replace them with anything else!

He is raising them to pre-Bush times he will not increase taxes so to speak, but he will not renew Bush's tax cuts so taxes will go up. Bush's tax cuts have prooven to be extremely beneficial to our country, our economy has been doing extremely well despite major setbacks. So raising taxes to "Pre-Bush" times will not be horrible but keeping the tax cuts would be better for our country…

Did anyone say they were the same thing? The point is it would proove to be disasterous for our country.

From: kingarabian
Congratulations for being class-less.


@runescapeian

I have 6 children in my family including me. My parents like to have sex. More children the less taxes ;).

I dont like obama's tax plan because I myself want to have a career were I will make alot of money.

But I like his other plans.


And the reason why you mccain backers mainly win, is because the lack of obama supporters on this forum and what you guys like to debate is ridiculous when you know the facts.

I dont understand what you mean by "class-less" I think it is meant to be an insult but i will assume the best that it isnt.

So you like his other plans of? Prematurely withdrawing out of the War in Iraq? That is just about all that i can think of that doesnt directly involve taxes.

Lack of Obama supporters?! Are you out of your mind? I cant seem to find the poll right now but there was one not too long ago and it was something like 50-20 Obama, there isnt a shortage of Obama supporters, McCain supporters just know what they are talking about.

Seriously that post did nothing to further your viewpoint, you did not say why you support Obama, or state any relevant facts…

You're missing parts of my point. I said that people are acting like un-lowering the taxes to pre-Bush times has nothing to do with socialism. Not only does McCain try to link it to socialism, but he goes on to describe things more related to communism, which past experience shows doesn't work well (though never properly executed in theory, they were mainly dictatorships and those are guaranteed to never end well).

I think I've already said this before, but your arguments tend to be the "You don't know what you're talking about, you've been brainwashed by the liberal media/fact-checkers/presidential debates and such" kind. You've pretty much copy/pasted the entire McCain campaign, which even Fox News has called them out on, and they're definitely not liberal in the least. You go out on mainstream media, but conservatives tend to try to knock out non-mainstream competition, so I can't figure out how that works (lobbying ftl).

Unlike McCain, Obama was raised in a rather poor family. He had to rely on his brains and determination to get the scholarships to even get through college. I'm in a similar position (though from debt, not lack of money, my family's net worth is low regardless), but unlike him, I miss out on quite a few scholarships from race/income/IQ and it seems like it will be a lot harder to get a student loan now.

[Offtopic but I'm still curious, why are gas prices still dropping even though the economy has bounced back a fair amount? It's 2.479 USD/Gallon here now, seems to be going down about 2 cents a day]

From: sirlaughsalot
Because it is true, the majority of americans have been tricked in a way into their way of thinking, by the mainstream media (please if you are gonna debate with me read my other posts and bring up something new). He is gonna fund his programs with "useless government-funded programs". I have an extreme idea! How bout, we get rid of those programs, and dont replace them with anything else!

He is raising them to pre-Bush times he will not increase taxes so to speak, but he will not renew Bush's tax cuts so taxes will go up. Bush's tax cuts have prooven to be extremely beneficial to our country, our economy has been doing extremely well despite major setbacks. So raising taxes to "Pre-Bush" times will not be horrible but keeping the tax cuts would be better for our country…

Did anyone say they were the same thing? The point is it would proove to be disasterous for our country.



I dont understand what you mean by "class-less" I think it is meant to be an insult but i will assume the best that it isnt.

So you like his other plans of? Prematurely withdrawing out of the War in Iraq? That is just about all that i can think of that doesnt directly involve taxes.

Lack of Obama supporters?! Are you out of your mind? I cant seem to find the poll right now but there was one not too long ago and it was something like 50-20 Obama, there isnt a shortage of Obama supporters, McCain supporters just know what they are talking about.

Seriously that post did nothing to further your viewpoint, you did not say why you support Obama, or state any relevant facts…

You were bluffing when you said you win all debates.

Yes 50-20. But you do know that the poll is showing to the right of the screen of the forums. So anyone who wants to vote can vote. Alot of obama's backers dont go to the debate section to debate with yall. This forum also has ALOT of people living outside of the U.S. They probably vote to, without knowledge of politics atm. And isnt it ironic how most foreign countries back obama? (it was a study on cnn.com/google it)

LOL. Prematurely… I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans. His economy crisis fix plan is really good to. His foreign policy is pretty solid, cause in my opinion right now, bush's policy is fucked up.

For now I do like his tax plan, as my family's income could use the extra money. But for my planned future not really.

I'm so glad I don't live in the USA. The madness about the elections, bah.

I hopes that hot Palin will win.

Less than 1 day guys until we get to vote…..

From: Widget
You're missing parts of my point. I said that people are acting like un-lowering the taxes to pre-Bush times has nothing to do with socialism. Not only does McCain try to link it to socialism, but he goes on to describe things more related to communism, which past experience shows doesn't work well (though never properly executed in theory, they were mainly dictatorships and those are guaranteed to never end well).

I think I've already said this before, but your arguments tend to be the "You don't know what you're talking about, you've been brainwashed by the liberal media/fact-checkers/presidential debates and such" kind. You've pretty much copy/pasted the entire McCain campaign, which even Fox News has called them out on, and they're definitely not liberal in the least. You go out on mainstream media, but conservatives tend to try to knock out non-mainstream competition, so I can't figure out how that works (lobbying ftl).

Unlike McCain, Obama was raised in a rather poor family. He had to rely on his brains and determination to get the scholarships to even get through college. I'm in a similar position (though from debt, not lack of money, my family's net worth is low regardless), but unlike him, I miss out on quite a few scholarships from race/income/IQ and it seems like it will be a lot harder to get a student loan now.

[Offtopic but I'm still curious, why are gas prices still dropping even though the economy has bounced back a fair amount? It's 2.479 USD/Gallon here now, seems to be going down about 2 cents a day]

Have you not heard that Barack Obama said he wants to "redistribute wealth" thats pretty socialistic to me (possibly even communistic).

Fox news called them out on what? People seem to think Fox News is very conservative, it really isnt. There are talk shows that have to do with current events, those tend to lean towards the right (they still even try to get people from both sides of the debate ex. Hannity and Colmes), but their actual news reporting is pretty much in the middle, they try to interview people from both sides, question both sides pretty harshly.

From: kingarabian
You were bluffing when you said you win all debates.

Yes 50-20. But you do know that the poll is showing to the right of the screen of the forums. So anyone who wants to vote can vote. Alot of obama's backers dont go to the debate section to debate with yall. This forum also has ALOT of people living outside of the U.S. They probably vote to, without knowledge of politics atm. And isnt it ironic how most foreign countries back obama? (it was a study on cnn.com/google it)

LOL. Prematurely… I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans. His economy crisis fix plan is really good to. His foreign policy is pretty solid, cause in my opinion right now, bush's policy is fucked up.

For now I do like his tax plan, as my family's income could use the extra money. But for my planned future not really.

I wasnt bluffing, I was joking, I wasnt trying an intimidation tactic…

The people living outside the US tend to lean towards the left as well… Foreign countries back Obama because they want to be in the limelight, they want to be the world power ;)

Do you know what his plan is? I was not aware he had written any major legislation… I personally think that we are almost done in Iraq, but it is stupid to put any condition of leaving a place we are needed other than winning, especially because we CAN win, its not like this is an unwinnable war…

Foreign Policy? Solid? *Thinks about that for a second* Are you talking about Obama? Seriously? Has he written any major legislation? Or served in an executive position? He wants to invade Pakistan, a nuclear country, thats pretty reckless if you ask me, especially as him being an inexperienced senator…

Okay, so you think it is okay to give people who dont pay taxes "tax breaks"? Your family is going through tough times and I am sorry, but being dependant on the government will do nothing for you, it is coming from someone else higher up the chain, and because of the taxes cannot employ people. Everyone is going through hard times, dont think you are the only one, but having the government come in and take over everything is impractical.

From: kingarabian
I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans.

He no longer wants out of the Middle East. He used to want that, but now he's planning on leaving 80,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely, and escalating the war in Afghanistan. If anything, our total spending in the Middle East should go UP.

As far as his health plan, it's kind of a mess. It's based on HMO's, so there won't be any major cost reductions. And he won't cover everyone. And it will be extremely expensive. And he has said that he will fine people that don't buy health insurance, but won't tell anyone how much that fine will be, or who exactly will be targeted.

He has no education plan. At least none that matters. K-12 is where our system is failing, and he does literally nothing to address that. He wants to add 2 more years of pre-k, which would mean every child starts school at the age of 3. This is feel-good bunk. Studies have proven over and over and over again that pre-k has no lasting educational benefit whatsoever. It's free babysitting, nothing more. And then once the K-12 system spits out failed students, he wants to herd them into college on the taxpayer's dime. Utterly ridiculous and counterproductive.

From: mastaraymond
I'm so glad I don't live in the USA. The madness about the elections, bah

That's what happens when you got a 'democracy' with only two parties.

[offtopic] Hmm, wiki tages [wiki]Markus[/wiki] [/offtopic]

[/offtopic] I like markus so I'll do the same :p [Acronym=Obama will win]Hover for message (wait 4 secs)[/Acronym]

Obama. Because he has charisma.

From: Widget
[Offtopic but I'm still curious, why are gas prices still dropping even though the economy has bounced back a fair amount? It's 2.479 USD/Gallon here now, seems to be going down about 2 cents a day]

falling demand,
less people building stuff or whatever,

clearly the economy has not bounced back as much as was hoped,
OPEC countries actually cut their production to try to increase the price.

Isnt lower gas prices a good thing…?

Lower gas prices is prolly the left wing lowering the prices around the election to show that we dont need to start offshore drilling.

Conspiracy theories lol, but i think that is kind of believable.

Sirlaughalot and Tarajunky have already replied to these, but I'll put my own opinion in…

EDIT: Whats up with the quote tags >_<?

You're missing parts of my point. I said that people are acting like un-lowering the taxes to pre-Bush times has nothing to do with socialism. Not only does McCain try to link it to socialism, but he goes on to describe things more related to communism, which past experience shows doesn't work well (though never properly executed in theory, they were mainly dictatorships and those are guaranteed to never end well).[\QUOTE]

"un-lowering the taxes"? I hear he wants to cut taxes 'For 95% of Americans' >_< He cuts taxes for the middle class, takes money from the harder-working upper class (not saying that the middle class doesn't work hard, just saying that, in most cases, the people with more money work harder/have worked harder to get to that point). That is definitely a start towards socialism

Unlike McCain, Obama was raised in a rather poor family. He had to rely on his brains and determination to get the scholarships to even get through college. I'm in a similar position (though from debt, not lack of money, my family's net worth is low regardless), but unlike him, I miss out on quite a few scholarships from race/income/IQ and it seems like it will be a lot harder to get a student loan now.

Your point? Sure, he may have had to work harder, but that doesn't mean that he's smarter/better.

From: kingarabian


And isnt it ironic how most foreign countries back obama? (it was a study on cnn.com/google it)

I'm not generalizing here, but my relatives in Europe, when asked about the election, usually say "I hope the black guy wins". When I'm in Europe (or at least Lithuania), it seems that quite a few people are racist and usually look down on the few African-….Europeans? there are as uneducated and stupid :\ Of course, as we all know, that's not the case. But, from that, I assume that they imply that since Obama is black, that he wouldn't make a good President, and therefore would make the US weak. Henceforth, they hope he wins and weakens the US. Again, I'm not saying that all Europeans think like this, this is merely what I've seen in my experience in Europe.


Or another theory would be that since quite a few European countries have a Socialistic government (I think?), they know what Obama plans to do and want the US to be like them, but that's probably unlikely.

LOL. Prematurely… I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans. His economy crisis fix plan is really good to. His foreign policy is pretty solid, cause in my opinion right now, bush's policy is fucked up.

For now I do like his tax plan, as my family's income could use the extra money. But for my planned future not really.

I still fail to see your logic in leaving a country in chaos >_<

His problem with healthcare (I think I already mentioned it, not sure) -

Ok, so the government pays for all of it. Where does the government get this money? - Taxes. Now, the price of healthcare obviously depends greatly on doctors (how many there are, how expensive operations are, etc.). Most doctors make over the 250,000 that Obama would reduce taxes on, and therefore doctors would be getting taxed more. There would be less motivation for younger people to become doctors because it wouldn't be worth going through all those years of med school and residency just for an OK paying job. == Higher healthcare prices == Higher taxes.

If Obama could get all of this money for stuff (Healthcare, New energy, etc.), I'd be amazed. Furthermore, if he was to do that AND cut taxes AND start paying off the US's debt to other countries, I'd be twice as amazed. But to get all this money solely from removing governmental programs that have no use? Not going to happen. If you could get all of this money from just doing that, don't you think somebody would have done it long ago? This just indicates how inexperienced Obama is.

From: nobody u kno
Lower gas prices is prolly the left wing lowering the prices around the election to show that we dont need to start offshore drilling.

Conspiracy theories lol, but i think that is kind of believable.

Thats what my dad said to. Probably to aid mccain since most americans dont trust him with the economy.

If you like 40+ hot women, vote for McCain. (I'm for.)
If you like 40+ hot women as president, vote for McCain. (I'm against.)

If you like African-American culture, vote for Obama. (I'm for.)
If you want crazy radicalist preachers as your president's left wing, vote for Obama. (I'm against.)

Sorry guys, I'm going with McCain.
Pro-gun, ftw :)

Well guys, todays the day!

Obama all the way!

From: nobody u kno
Lower gas prices is prolly the left wing lowering the prices around the election to show that we dont need to start offshore drilling.

Conspiracy theories lol, but i think that is kind of believable.

its not believable at all.
you cant just change prices at your own whim

From: kingarabian
Isnt lower gas prices a good thing…?

its probably good for you since you drive a car, and food is brought to your town by lorries which need petrol, and you fly around in planes and use electricity.

however, its not good if you produce the oil, if you're from Saudi Arabia.

also, its not good for america, since they get less profit from iraq.




btw, how many of you guys are actually old enough to vote?

Voted this morning. I live in a Democrat stronghold area of the city (there aren't even any Republicans on the ballot for several offices…), and there was no line whatsoever. Walked in, voted, walked out. Quick.

From: tarajunky
Voted this morning. I live in a Democrat stronghold area of the city (there aren't even any Republicans on the ballot for several offices…), and there was no line whatsoever. Walked in, voted, walked out. Quick.

Do you live in Houston? Thats really no suprise, that or Austin, omg i hate Austin…

Sorry if this was late, just wanted to explain about the dropping oil prices.

The 'Credit - Crunch' which was caused by people, who borrowed lones from the bank they couldn't afford to pay back. Now their in debt they dont have any money to spend on fuel to go to work. Inturn they get made redundant.

Nobody is worrying about petrol there more worried about their finances. This leads to Demand dropping. The two factors which causes prices to drop are Supply and Demand. In this case, as Yakman mentioned, Supply is high as Saudi Arabia put millions of oil barrels onto the market. What the problem is - No one wants or needs to buy them, basically they have no money.

In summary Gas prices being lowered were due to the population just not needing it anymore. They have got more things to worry about like losing their home and job e.t.c.

Also Obama is going to win, I'm in England here - election night. Obama's got it in the bag :)

From: Yakman

btw, how many of you guys are actually old enough to vote?

I'd guess that only a couple are :p


My parents told me that when they went to vote at like noon today, there were very few McCain voters and tons of Obama voters. == McCain supporters are at work, Obama supporters have all the time in the world (no offence to the select few who don't) :rolleyes:

What time do they acctually release the results?

From: noidea
What time do they acctually release the results?

After they have counted them up. I'm guessing it should be around midnight, since the polls close at 8 (I think?).

Alright since today is the day our country might be doomed, id like to vent on Obama for a little.

1. Obama grew up in a church that literally said "Damn America!"
2. Obama doesnt put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem
3. Obama, at least ive never seen, wears an American pin
4. His full name is Barrack HUSSEIN Obama
5. Obama is a socialist, his wife is a communist

And another thing. Our troops over seas might be getting screwed out of their right to vote. The now more Democratic Congress will most likely not pass John McCain's demand that the US troops votes be counted even though the absentee ballots were late being sent out. This is just another scheme by the democrats because it is a fact that the Marines are more likely to vote for McCain, the more patriotic Candidate.

I was more fair before today, but today im going all out, because tomorrow i might be moving to Australia lol!

From: nobody u kno

5. Obama is a socialist, his wife is a communist

His wife is a communist? I haven't heard that one before :p, how so?

nobody u kno, a majority of the things you said are simply NOT true.

MEDIA has MISLEAD you.

Obama does where an American flag pin. Just not all the time.
Sometimes he wears a breast cancer awareness pin, sometimes none at all.
SEVERAL other presidential candidates have done this.

Yes, he DOES place his hand over his heart when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. Obviously you've never seen him do it.

Mccain takes kentucky and obama takes vermont so far.

Obama leads in florida and north carolina.

Mccain leads in the virginias.

All those states are pretty close.

Palin's hott.

This magazine agrees:

Obama wins New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut; McCain takes South Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee.

77-34 in obamas favor.

Just in:

Obama: 81
McCain: 39

Update:

Obama 102 Mccain 49.

Obama got Pennsylvania.

Where do you guys get these numbers at?

174 to 76 in Obama's favor.

Shoot! Obama just in won ohio :(

Cut em2 it

WOW obama took ohio.

200-90 obama's favor

Bring on california!

McCain lost :( there is almost no way he can win. We'll see.

Cut em2 it

Obama will definitely get California :p. I'm curious as to who gets Arizona since it's McCain's homestate but it's a toss-up at the moment (leaning slightly McCain).

CNN says 194-69 Obama so far :).

From: TheVoiceInYourHead
Where do you guys get these numbers at?

Pick any cable channel from 3 to 8 or their corresponding websites :p

78 days until are country falls to shambles…. Kinda sad really…

207 to 135 obama's favor.

Mccain takes texas.

Obama got Virginia, tied in North Carolina, winning by 1% in Indiana, 2% in Florida, and losing by 1% in Montana. CNN's has their official projection as Obama winning now. :)

And Obama is predicted by CNN to be the victor…

Sadly… :(

EDIT: Widget beat me in being the bearer of sad news :p

Ah well - All I can say is, good luck Obama. Just please don't make us socialists :\

Wooot Obama!!!!!!!

Justin Timeberlake needs to make a new song…

"We only got 78 days to save the world"

Obama's gonna win, because all the black people are actually voting this year, and it's for him.

God help us, and God help him.

And congrats to those who wanted Obama to win.

From: xraye
Obama's gonna win, because all the black people are actually voting this year, and it's for him.

Little too late.

And, a majority of the "black" states voted for McCain.

From: TheVoiceInYourHead
Little too late.

And, a majority of the "black" states voted for McCain.

Because your saying the majority of the "black" states are in the south. What else is in the south? People who actually love their country…

Obama won, may as well stop flaming eachother now :)

He's gonna deliver his speech thing now, let's watch :D

Wow… is all I have to say. Im glad america showed it would vote fairly =). I was thinking mccain would win because of the "bradly affect". But hehe, here we are.

Good job to mccain and his supporters for the job they did.

And congratz to obama! =)

I think Obama will win the election.

^.^

From: kingarabian
Wow… is all I have to say. Im glad america showed it would vote fairly =). I was thinking mccain would win because of the "bradly affect". But hehe, here we are.

Yeah, all we heard about for days after the last two elections was "election fraud" and "diebold" and "voter suppression", etc.

But today you don't hear any of that. When a Democrat wins, the system worked. When a Republican wins, there must have been some sort of fraud or unfair manipulation going on. It proves once again that Democrats are sore losers. Let's hope they aren't sore winners now.

From: tarajunky
Yeah, all we heard about for days after the last two elections was "election fraud" and "diebold" and "voter suppression", etc.

But today you don't hear any of that. When a Democrat wins, the system worked. When a Republican wins, there must have been some sort of fraud or unfair manipulation going on. It proves once again that Democrats are sore losers. Let's hope they aren't sore winners now.

When anyone wins by a landslide, the system worked. When the election depends on one state who's votes are within 0.1% of each other and the Republican supreme court overturns recounting it because the Republicans won, then there may have been some sort of fraud or unfair corruption. ;) (Not saying it's just the Republicans, the Democrats haven't seen a situation like that as far as I know of). McCain's ACORN affiliation propaganda was just another failed scare tactic that lots of people still bought (ACORN registers people that otherwise wouldn't be able to. They go around in lots of poverty areas and people attempt to try to register other people, but they're all sent to some special government agency to check if they're proper registrations, just like everyone else in the country).

Also, I thought the Bradley effect would show up more, but it's almost as if more people voted for Obama instead :p

Obama 08 ftw :)

we want change!

white to black :) lol theres 1 change lol, jp :P

Update on my opinion : Even stronger than before, I'm now almost positive that Obama will win. =P

Popular Vote being overruled by Electoral Votes is complete phale.

Give what the people want, not what ~300 people want.

From: nobody u kno
Because your saying the majority of the "black" states are in the south. What else is in the south? People who actually love their country…

If by people who love this country you mean racists who have not caught up with the times then you are on point.

I bet Obama will win.

Nah jk.. Now I'll just watch as USA crashes and burns.. That's some change.

From: TheVoiceInYourHead
Popular Vote being overruled by Electoral Votes is complete phale.

Give what the people want, not what ~300 people want.

How? It is a beautiful system that protects the less populated areas (to some degree) and the populated area still has power.

I tell you what system is "phail" is the primaries, im sick of this east coast liberal bullshit, it shouldnt have been McCain in the first place, he is a good man and i supported hiim but only because i really had to, but i did agree on a lot of issues. He isnt who the "base" of the republican party wanted so all of the more liberal republicans chose him. But whatever, now its time to take the house or senate in 2010 :p , congrats Obama.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that Iowa and New Hampshire are deciding who's going to represent the Republican party.

Mitt Romney should have been the nominee. With this financial catastrophe, Romney would have wiped the floor with Obama on experience, knowledge, and proven competence. Oh well, there's always next time.

If the Republicans start moving in the Palin/Huckabee direction, they may never recover. The last thing they need is to embrace socialism-lite like them.

From: tarajunky

If the Republicans start moving in the Palin/Huckabee direction, they may never recover. The last thing they need is to embrace socialism-lite like them.

Why they went there in the first place was beyond me.