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There not happy. :p

Anybody got that article by any chance?

O well, Jagex is simply tring to protect their game, although I do disagree with their approach to many issues, I do understand their actions.

Edit: Yes, I would also like to see this article.

Expression of opinion should be allowed on the internet. Fuck you Jagex

http://tip.it/runescape/?times=32
here it is…

edit: or did you mean the one that got removed?

I think he meant the article jagex was so unhappy with

Bah, Jagex even stoped tip.it from having a sig market. :( My gp income will be chopped in half.

I'd like to see the removed one too.

i have this sneaking suspision that they still have it somewhere and are going to let it "accidentaly" out

I think that too. We could always contact the author if we knew who wrote it.

Hi X,
We are from the cheating community and request a copy of "Biased Banning Raises Brows".

Best regards,
SRL.

Sounds like a good idea ;)

well google archives are good, but not that good, all I could get was 1 sentance :(

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:tu8EufzRsTQJ:www.tip.it/runescape/index.php%3Fpage%3Dherblaw.html+%22Biased+Banning+Raises+Brows%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5&client=firefox-a
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:7A2agA_jxd0J:www.tip.it/runescape/index.php+%22Biased+Banning+Raises+Brows%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:pROkLAXpnKYJ:www.tip.it/runescape/index.php%3Fquest_id%3D57+%22Biased+Banning+Raises+Brows%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a

and the most promising one:
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:vwLR9nwqi_oJ:www.tip.it/runescape/%3Ftimes%3Darchives+%22Biased+Banning+Raises+Brows%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=firefox-a

I Found the Article
Here

Biased Banning Raises Brows
The Editor

Recently Jagex has been cracking the whip on rule-breakers who ruin the game for legitimate players. Apparently they are going by the policy: you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. There have been several reported cases of black marks or permanent bans for some of the most ridiculous reasons. Even when confronted with their misdeeds, Jagex has done little to recompense those players that they have made suffer. Furthermore, they have been very inconsistent with their processing, perhaps even biased against certain players, while overlooking others.

Do not take this the wrong way; I fully support Jagex in enforcing the rules of this game, but not at the expense of innocent players who mean no harm to others. Jagex needs to put themselves in the shoes of the players they wrongfully punish. Perhaps then they can accept their mistakes and take appropriate actions.

I will begin with my most general of three cases, namely the banning of players who simply mention fan sites such as Tip.It. Even vague references have resulted in players being muted, some even temporarily banned. This is just the smallest of the atrocities players have faced. The rule states:

You are not allowed to actively advertise in the RuneScape game or RuneScape forums. This includes advertising any website or product and no web addresses are allowed. Telling other players any web-address is not allowed.

This rule states clearly that we can not say website addresses within the game. Obviously people saying stuff like, “go look at Tip.It” are not the people being treated unfairly. The rule is firm about stating addresses, as well as advertising sites. The people who are treated unfairly are the people who are being banned or muted just for talking about a site with a friend, even without saying the address. There have been numerous mutes and bans for players saying they saw something on “tipit”.

Is it fair that these players receive bans for saying they saw something? Saying the word “tipit” does not tell a person how to get to our website. Talking about something you see with a friend is not a form of advertisement (unless purposely dialogued to be one). The point is that saying “tipit” will not lead players to our site without some work on their own to find it, such as doing a search. One can not just throw on a .com at the end of the name and find our site (I would highly recommend against visiting tipit.com). So why ban players for saying the name of something without giving them directions to find it?

What I find most ironic about this that Jagex supports the use of legitimate fan websites such as our own, yet bans players for talking about them (see Jagex’s Fan Site FAQ). Perhaps it is time for Jagex to review some of the popular sites, decide which sites players are allowed to cite, and end the unjust banning of players who want to talk about a site with their friends – bans they are receiving even without saying the site’s address. Or perhaps they should extend the rule, saying that even the title of the site is not allowed. Do one or the other, but do not ban players who are not breaking the rule – those who talk about “tipit” but do not give its address.

As I said previously, this is just the weakest display of unjustified bans lately. Since Jagex started their banning spree, there have been countless innocent players banned for supposed violations of rule 8:

You may create more than one RuneScape account, but if you do, you may not log in more than one account at any time, and they must not interact with each other in any way. This includes "drop trading" or any other method of item transfer.

This rule is completely understandable. There are obviously unfair advantages to having more than one account logged in at a time, or having your characters trade with each other. The problem with this rule is that players on the same network (many homes now have multiple computers with internet access) are getting banned for interacting with their roommates or families. I am not a networking expert, but when I visit my parents and log in from their house, it shows the same IP in the “last logged in from” section regardless which computer I use. This (I’m assuming) is because they are all on the same router.

This greatly hinders players who want to participate in the game with their family. Even high ranked players such as our own beloved DroolMAN have suffered from this. He was recently banned for supposed violation of this rule; for giving several items to his daughter. Some unsupportive players believe that he was using his daughter’s account as a “mule” and giving her items for the sake of freeing up bank space. He denies these allegations, but his motives are insignificant in terms of this ban being unjust.

Even if he was using his daughter to free up bank space, the point is that she played from an entirely different computer than he did. She is a separate person. He did not trade with himself; he traded with his daughter. Even if he had to walk her through it, he was not trading with himself. There is no rule stating that you can not have a friend or family member hold your items for you, nor that you can not trade with players on the same router. Jagex should look into ways to better distinguish one computer from another on the same network. At the very least, they should give a warning to players to avoid trading with friends or family who share the same internet connection, or extend the rule to say that if you share a connection with somebody, you can not interact with him or her.

Now you can prepare yourself for the heart of the hypocrisy; the biggest display of prejudice in the game; the undeniable truth that Jagex is biased in banning players. What other topic could this be than inappropriate names? This topic has been a concern with me for as long as I have played this game. If there is one aspect of Jagex that I am completely repulsed by, it is their ineffective control over appropriate player names.

What brings this disgust into the Times, however, is that Jagex is banning players for their names, but they are waiting until a player has been around for months, maybe even years; banning players whose names are not offensive (while saying that is the reason); and leaving players with indisputably offensive names untouched.

As those of you who read our forums may have already guessed, much of this frustration lies with the ban of Limparse. He was banned after playing for several months, given the reason that his name is inappropriate. Jagex deemed this name unacceptable because they read it as Limp Arse. You would think that somebody at Jagex would realize "limpar" is a Portuguese verb, and that adding "se" to the end of a verb in Portuguese makes it reflexive. Either Jagex is taking a stand against names in non-English languages, or a verb meaning "to clean oneself" is somehow inappropriate. I suppose we should take extra care in not letting other players know that we take showers; a moderator might mute us for bathing…

This mistake was due to an oversight by Jagex. This case does prove that Jagex will ban players for inappropriate names even months after the account’s creation. They will not allow you to change your name, thus you start from scratch, unless you have another account already. The fact that they will take these measures also signifies that Jagex is letting some players with inappropriate names continue to enjoy the game. Limparse was noticed due to other reports against him, but ultimately banned for his name. Why should players who do not get reported for other issues be allowed to keep their inappropriate names?

If Jagex is going to ban players for inappropriate names, they should upgrade their settings so that less inappropriate names get past the filters. They should also have certain strings of characters that will flag their attention for a manual check of a name, so that players with potentially inappropriate names will get taken care of before they have become a long-term player.

Also, if Jagex plans to ban players with inappropriate names (as they should be), they need to ban everybody with an inappropriate name. I myself could name at least fifty players who are level 110 combat or higher with indisputably offensive names. Some of these players have been around since RSC, and since the Jagex administrators like these players, they do not get banned. This would make it seem that the offensive language rules only apply to some.

What kind of names am I talking about? Obviously I can not name specific players without permission, much less if their names are inappropriate. I can, however, give a few loose examples: names containing the term “fuh qu” or “fah q”; names containing censor-evading misspellings such as “suxcox”; names with messages saying, “You’re a hoe”; or names with an inappropriate alternative for the word cat.

It is very amusing how the phrases in these names are censored within the game’s chat, yet these players are above the rules. Many of the players I allude to are well over 1500 skill total. Given the amount of time they have been playing, it is evident that Jagex is conveniently overlooking these players’ names. Obviously they do not want to ban a long-term player, but does this justify allowing them to keep inappropriate names? Should the rules not apply to everybody?

I hope Jagex sees this. I am interested how this may shape the future of their customer support. I know I am not alone in my opinions. We do want the rules enforced, but we want them enforced without innocent players getting banned. We want the rules to apply to everybody equally. Giving some rule-breakers special treatment, while banning other players who have done nothing wrong, reflects poorly on RuneScape. End the hypocrisy, Jagex.

Do you have any thoughts or comments about what you’ve just read? Want to discuss this article with your fellow RuneScapers? We invite you to discuss the article in this forum topic.

I used google cache of the exact article page. (I used Mopar's links to find that page wich is now blank)


READ IT ALL

It does point out some biased things about Jagex.

A player named "Limparse" was banned. Jagex said it was "Limp Arse" but its actually a word from another language, and yet my friends account "Kissmyassfoo" isnt banned.

We need to give everyone at tip.it a good lesson on rs cheating ;) Not only would it pull in tons of potential scripters and allow people to know that jagex dosen't do silly things like IP ban (UID bans are the norm of course ;)), but, since they are getting fed up with jagex anyway… who knows :)

My friend who got onto the Jagex security team told me why they've been sueing. (Funny thing is his name is Big Knockers, way more offensive then Limparse)

jagex banned them
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
for "automining"
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
it was never proven
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
no evidence
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
they erased the account
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
rule 1 of memebrs
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
members
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
jagex MUST obey all rules and therefore help to assist the player paying to the fullest extend
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
extent
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
person sent a query
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
came back 2 months later telling them the account was gone
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
guy sued
[TDA] JaKiE ..Your kung Fu is Not Strong says:
won 5.6mill dollars

Fagsex a.k.a. Pissed…

I'd just like to express myself. FUCK YOU FAGSEX. Ok, now onto civilized manners. I think we should make a game called ScapeRune so if Fagsex tries to sue us we can claim we were cheating our own game :p

From: I
Fagsex a.k.a. Pissed…

I'd just like to express myself. FUCK YOU FAGSEX. Ok, now onto civilized manners. I think we should make a game called ScapeRune so if Fagsex tries to sue us we can claim we were cheating our own game :p

The'ed sue you for that too, ScapeRune is the place where that cat random is :p

Owned :(

Fagsex has truely closed all doors… XD

"You're a hoe" Lol I'm going to make that account right now.
This is why I started cheating in the first place. Jagex just doesn't treat the public right.

^^^Ive noticed Jagex is doin more then mistreating the public. They are fine tuning the game to appear more friendly to the common player, but is really just screwing over those who know the game in and out. Everyone and anyone whos an active poster on any rs forum knows what they are doing.

Jagex is taking advantage of the players who dont know any behind the scenes info, to portray us, and those who find ways to get an advantage in the game as evil.

Just from a personal standpoint, the autoers help keep the economy intact, without autos no one could keep up with thriving merchant prices.

Basicly the whole point of this post is to show that Jagex is hiding lots of the crap they do to the true players from the common players.

I just got a sexy idea, we should have a day where we have like 100 of our people post in each of the RS forums saying to go to 82.92.130.193/forums… We would get like 9OOO members in the first day :p

From: BenLand100
We need to give everyone at tip.it a good lesson on rs cheating ;) Not only would it pull in tons of potential scripters and allow people to know that jagex dosen't do silly things like IP ban (UID bans are the norm of course ;)), but, since they are getting fed up with jagex anyway… who knows :)

I'm with you on this. We're out of jagex's lead so there getting pissed. Besides, every respected member of tip.it is probally a noob when it comes to cheating and define all macro's as keylogged.

From: I
I just got a sexy idea, we should have a day where we have like 100 of our people post in each of the RS forums saying to go to 82.92.130.193/forums… We would get like 9OOO members in the first day :p

Nah, just villavu. Up to fawaki though.

Benland, if you check on some other forums (the annoying ones with people who like aryan and say SCAR is dead), tons of people are complaining that IP banning is now bieng started.

My friend who uses aryan sent me this about what is said when he tried to log in.
"This computers address has been blocked
as it was used to break our rules"

From: brownsymcard
Benland, if you check on some other forums (the annoying ones with people who like aryan and say SCAR is dead), tons of people are complaining that IP banning is now bieng started.

My friend who uses aryan sent me this about what is said when he tried to log in.
"This computers address has been blocked
as it was used to break our rules"

Yeah but if your safe you can avoid this.

From: I
I just got a sexy idea, we should have a day where we have like 100 of our people post in each of the RS forums saying to go to 82.92.130.193/forums… We would get like 9OOO members in the first day :p

To many member players would have to risk getting banned. And we would get way to many noobs. :p

We want this community to stay mainttained and in the hands of the Admins and Moderators.
If we got around 9000+ more people, imagine how many posts and topics a day about Scar Scripting there would be. Therefore more mods would be needed.

To many -.-

Ugh. 9000 members… that would be like Kaitnieks after Aryan was released. The noobs invaded and the forum started to die from the waves of idiocy inundating it. :\

Just put them all in a group called noobs or somthing and they can only view scar tutorials for a month. Imagine that. :P

From: The Un-Named
Just put them all in a group called noobs or somthing and they can only view scar tutorials for a month. Imagine that. :P

i definitely like this idea. As far as more mods go you need like 25 to 100 mods me thinks. that would really put this site out in the open where everyone could see. so far this site is still behind the scene. not many ppl find this place. Which is a good thig keeps the leechers away. but imagine 1000 ppl picking potatoes to make food to sell all autoing.

Lol. The OoC would get there cabbages at the speed of light.

If we did get that many members, only about 25 staff would be needed (Im staff on a forum with 2.4m posts and a over 130,000 members<They run themselves).

I personally like the small community here, not to mention the amount of script kiddies attacking this place to get all the scripts would skyrocket.

LOL do you know how many posts in the "help section" would say " HELP ME WITH SCAR PL0x
My colors are broken"

lol yeah i wouldnt like more members.. size doesnt always matter.. its efficiency… haha..

anyways i like this part of the article

You would think that somebody at Jagex would realize "limpar" is a Portuguese verb, and that adding "se" to the end of a verb in Portuguese makes it reflexive. Either Jagex is taking a stand against names in non-English languages, or a verb meaning "to clean oneself" is somehow inappropriate. I suppose we should take extra care in not letting other players know that we take showers; a moderator might mute us for bathing…

im gonna go say "i am limparse" on scunerape.. see if my noobie gets banned..

Muhahaha im going to spam this url
http://tinyurl.com/gsmfj

I read this and laughed when it came out. Finally, more people than autoers can see what Gajex is doing to this game.

From: Bam Bam
Muhahaha im going to spam this url
http://tinyurl.com/gsmfj

How about you don't be ass and not get tip.it shut down eh?:p

From: I
How about you don't be ass and not get tip.it shut down eh?:p

I could say compliments of autorune ltd cheat community….:p

Haha. It would be a bad idea to let tip.it or whatever here. The way I see it is cheaters community > runescape/tip.it/runehq's community.

From: The Un-Named
Haha. It would be a bad idea to let tip.it or whatever here. The way I see it is cheaters community > runescape/tip.it/runehq's community.

Words of wizdom I was just joking around.

one thing i know is if we do go out in the open we will never have to worry about testers again. There will be plenty of leechers ready to take the lil snippits of scripts and try to tie them together to make stuff. but my thing is we would have all these extra ppl but alot of them would not contribute to the community. when i first came here i was only doing basic stuff outside of includes but slowly i'm getting better. Would they be willing to do the same.

…Ddosing is not illegal. Anymore…

umm…. solarwind….
thats generally not the spirit of these forums..
you should at least respect jagex for giving us this platform to script on

Lol if we liked jagex would we auto on there game? no lol we would play like a noob.

You'll get it when you become a scripter.

From: Boreas
You'll get it when you become a scripter.

Yeah, we do it not because we actually love playing there game, but more for the intellectual challenge.

i really dont think the capitalists at jagex should be interfearing with fansites, legit or otherwise,

i hate it what they claim images on fansites give you keyloggers and make the ultra-detailed knowledge base

Freedom of Speech ;)

iv noticed more sites have a terms and conditions which you have to sign before you enter, like mopars site

watch when i petrol bomb their offices :p

note: im just messing around, but i dont like how they removed the article

I don't usually use the client, but the java on my firefox (which blocks adds on f2p) was going weird so I used it the other day. And it showed the add up top for jagex, saying something like 'if you're banned and innocent, appeal it!". That says to me that they are losing control, and are resorting to banning more people with 'guilty until proven innocent' in the hope that a shotgun-close-your-eyes-cross-your-fingers approach will work.

I had a little chuckle when I read that lol.

It is clearly desperation. They are at the end of their girth if they are resorting to censoring fan sites. This is a good thing, it means they are losing the war against us, and they know it. Seemingly their endless bag of tricks is getting very shallow indeed.

Reading between the lines recent updates point to a continued frustration with cheaters. More random events. Attempts to make the game less cartoon like, with more complex bitmaps for things such as the compass. And now a crack down on drop trading. Not to forget the restructuring of the client earlier this year including heavy use of reflection in an attempt to stop the production of hack clients.

My suspicion is that they fear another Aryan is in the making. Fortunately the more they protect, the less playable the game becomes. Perhaps we are finally approaching a long awaited equilibrium.

Also check out the player gallery. Pictures drawn by players. A lot of them show that legit players hate randoms (I know, duh, but I'm saying so much that they put it into picture).

Another thing, when you click world select, it says make sure you logout first. Seems like they really need those reports sent upon logout eh?

Almost feel sorry for jagex… lol.

Well, looks like its the final showdown to me. Jagex begging a site to censor material, that doesn't sound very in control to me… Something is seriously wrong with that. Yes, as sythe and Boreas say, it looks like Jagex is slowly but surely destroying their own creation. Maybe its because of financial problems and because they are loosing players - and here's why:

People think that RS is gay, and that for a couple of reasons.

1. The game is just too repetitive. Its takes too long to level up, people want instant gratification. Hell, thats what games were developed for! :)
2. Graphics suck.
3. Gameplay is too complex for people that don't have a lot of time on hand, like most people this game is supposed to appeal to (students, college workers, etc., note that they don't have time). ;)

So, when people think that RS is gay, they start laughing at their friends who actually bother playing RS. Result is, that the person being laughed at wants to integrate with his friends and stops playing (this happens the same in europe, australia, and america, lived there and heard same thing bout RS). He/She then realizes how much time was wasted playing that repetitive game :P .

Finally, those that don't get themselves stopped by their friends realize that the game takes too much time. Results are obvious: We get autoers. People start getting drawn away from the game and auto like hell (we do, in a l337 style :D).

Eventually, all this is gonna lead to two things: RS not making enough money from advertisements, and wasted resource time (servers are autoed). Consequences:

1. Anti-Autoer Updates - Essence, better macro system, etc. all done against autoers. This partially ties in with #3. Updates disguisedd as "new features".
2. MAKE F2P VIEW THE ADS TO CHARGE MORE FOR ADVERTISING! - client rules changed, you MUST be able to view ads. Another indication jagex is low on money.
3. More updates to appeal to more users and gain new players - look at all the extreme updates, client interface, more randoms (well, also because of us). Its freaking crazy. Jagex has been in an update frenzy for the last 3 months, and that for good reasons. NOT ENOUGH NEW PLAYERS. Means less people will ever go p2p = less money.

I think we can all draw our conclusions from that. The final blow will probably come soon, jagex being sued or something like that. Soo… wonder what we're gonna do after RS has been pwned?

the fact of the matter is that they BAN people TOO MUCH
END OF STORY
CASE CLOSED!

When you logg in - it tells you when you last logged in and form what ip address - so can they actually track you?

I played the game starting in back when it was runecsape classic in middle school. I transfered over my account to rs2 and i still didn't become a member for 2 years. I actually kind of enjoy the game sometimes. But it makes you not want to play it more and more when there are stupid randoms way too often that mess up the flow of the game and aren't even worth the time (say you are mining mith or addy and you get a few coins). Just makes me mad and want to auto more.
It's an endless cycle - the more they try and crack down on the autoers the worse the game gets and the more people switch over to autoing.
They need to do another big update (rs3) and make the graphics better - then people's friends(mine included) won't make fun of you and make you hate the game. With games out there like WOW what's youor friend in college going to say when they see you playing rs? Exactly, "look at this quier, what a tool" That's all I have to say

That article is a smash in the face to jagex haha.

From: native77
When you logg in - it tells you when you last logged in and form what ip address - so can they actually track you?

I played the game starting in back when it was runecsape classic in middle school. I transfered over my account to rs2 and i still didn't become a member for 2 years. I actually kind of enjoy the game sometimes. But it makes you not want to play it more and more when there are stupid randoms way too often that mess up the flow of the game and aren't even worth the time (say you are mining mith or addy and you get a few coins). Just makes me mad and want to auto more.
It's an endless cycle - the more they try and crack down on the autoers the worse the game gets and the more people switch over to autoing.
They need to do another big update (rs3) and make the graphics better - then people's friends(mine included) won't make fun of you and make you hate the game. With games out there like WOW what's youor friend in college going to say when they see you playing rs? Exactly, "look at this quier, what a tool" That's all I have to say

if you use the signed client yes they can track you and they place a UID which tells them whos logged on from that comp and when…but if you use unsigned u dotn get UID and they can only tell the general netwrok u logged on from not specific comp…also…when im geting to college im going for phd in computer science, which is being paid for by the government..and people say the army sucks…so anyway since im taking that course…all my classmate probably play it to begin with and maybe i can introduce them to autoing if they dont already ;)

well after reading this thread i am very intregued… i reckon Jagex will end up going down the drains some day… but will they? if you think of the cash they are making it is unbelievable, so maybe they can afford to be sued… and even worse to afford the people to seu us :duh:

well i dont think jagex has been sued yet but im sure they've sued many people

Nice find Unnamed. :)

Talk about dumb though. How is that applicable to getting sued?

From: Brown

Just from a personal standpoint, the autoers help keep the economy intact, without autos no one could keep up with thriving merchant prices.

I completely agree. I posted that opinion once on the rs forums, but I got flamed so bad my ass was burned. It's almost like the common player has been brainwashed, and can't even see why some autoers are necessary for their precious economy when the facts are presented to them.

Jagex made runescape very badly becuase
1) Half the skills are useless and just space fillers
2) Everything requires you to have money in the first place
3) It's a 1 sides game. There are no different strategies for this game. Fact is you go pure/ hybrid or LOOSE and cannot make any money without a trade skill over level 40!

~~~~Yesiammanu :spot:

In my opinion it's an extremely bad idea to actively try and suppress opinions, written by fan sites no less, that don't view the company in their "preferred" way, it's not going to make your reputation better if the source of the opinion doesn't appreciate being silenced.

As fas as the article goes, Jagex are absolutely right with that "Limparse" example. The good majority of the population are English speakers, and that is going to be the general interpretation of the name; hence it is deemed inappropriate, and this is what it should say in their policy. "Crying" is a term that comes to mind.

As far as I can tell if Jagex are consistently following their own policies there is no problem. However, if the policy is ambiguous or is randomly followed/ignored, they should be exposed.

Anyway … criticism is criticism. It should be embraced, not opposed. It's up to Jagex whether they're sort of going to "ignore" and tell off their fan sites, or attempt to create a community feeling within the game (hah, good luck, target audience ain't gonna let that happen!).

For future reference…

~The Original Article~

Biased Banning Raises Brows
The Editor

Recently Jagex has been cracking the whip on rule-breakers who ruin the game for legitimate players. Apparently they are going by the policy: you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. There have been several reported cases of black marks or permanent bans for some of the most ridiculous reasons. Even when confronted with their misdeeds, Jagex has done little to recompense those players that they have made suffer. Furthermore, they have been very inconsistent with their processing, perhaps even biased against certain players, while overlooking others.

Do not take this the wrong way; I fully support Jagex in enforcing the rules of this game, but not at the expense of innocent players who mean no harm to others. Jagex needs to put themselves in the shoes of the players they wrongfully punish. Perhaps then they can accept their mistakes and take appropriate actions.

I will begin with my most general of three cases, namely the banning of players who simply mention fan sites such as Tip.It. Even vague references have resulted in players being muted, some even temporarily banned. This is just the smallest of the atrocities players have faced. The rule states:

You are not allowed to actively advertise in the RuneScape game or RuneScape forums. This includes advertising any website or product and no web addresses are allowed. Telling other players any web-address is not allowed.

This rule states clearly that we can not say website addresses within the game. Obviously people saying stuff like, go look at Tip.It are not the people being treated unfairly. The rule is firm about stating addresses, as well as advertising sites. The people who are treated unfairly are the people who are being banned or muted just for talking about a site with a friend, even without saying the address. There have been numerous mutes and bans for players saying they saw something on tipit.

Is it fair that these players receive bans for saying they saw something? Saying the word tipit does not tell a person how to get to our website. Talking about something you see with a friend is not a form of advertisement (unless purposely dialogued to be one). The point is that saying tipit will not lead players to our site without some work on their own to find it, such as doing a search. One can not just throw on a .com at the end of the name and find our site (I would highly recommend against visiting tipit.com). So why ban players for saying the name of something without giving them directions to find it?

What I find most ironic about this that Jagex supports the use of legitimate fan websites such as our own, yet bans players for talking about them (see Jagex's Fan Site FAQ). Perhaps it is time for Jagex to review some of the popular sites, decide which sites players are allowed to cite, and end the unjust banning of players who want to talk about a site with their friends &#8211; bans they are receiving even without saying the site&#8217;s address. Or perhaps they should extend the rule, saying that even the title of the site is not allowed. Do one or the other, but do not ban players who are not breaking the rule &#8211; those who talk about &#8220;tipit&#8221; but do not give its address.

As I said previously, this is just the weakest display of unjustified bans lately. Since Jagex started their banning spree, there have been countless innocent players banned for supposed violations of rule 8:

You may create more than one RuneScape account, but if you do, you may not log in more than one account at any time, and they must not interact with each other in any way. This includes "drop trading" or any other method of item transfer.

This rule is completely understandable. There are obviously unfair advantages to having more than one account logged in at a time, or having your characters trade with each other. The problem with this rule is that players on the same network (many homes now have multiple computers with internet access) are getting banned for interacting with their roommates or families. I am not a networking expert, but when I visit my parents and log in from their house, it shows the same IP in the &#8220;last logged in from&#8221; section regardless which computer I use. This (I&#8217;m assuming) is because they are all on the same router.

This greatly hinders players who want to participate in the game with their family. Even high ranked players such as our own beloved DroolMAN have suffered from this. He was recently banned for supposed violation of this rule; for giving several items to his daughter. Some unsupportive players believe that he was using his daughter&#8217;s account as a &#8220;mule&#8221; and giving her items for the sake of freeing up bank space. He denies these allegations, but his motives are insignificant in terms of this ban being unjust.

Even if he was using his daughter to free up bank space, the point is that she played from an entirely different computer than he did. She is a separate person. He did not trade with himself; he traded with his daughter. Even if he had to walk her through it, he was not trading with himself. There is no rule stating that you can not have a friend or family member hold your items for you, nor that you can not trade with players on the same router. Jagex should look into ways to better distinguish one computer from another on the same network. At the very least, they should give a warning to players to avoid trading with friends or family who share the same internet connection, or extend the rule to say that if you share a connection with somebody, you can not interact with him or her.

Now you can prepare yourself for the heart of the hypocrisy; the biggest display of prejudice in the game; the undeniable truth that Jagex is biased in banning players. What other topic could this be than inappropriate names? This topic has been a concern with me for as long as I have played this game. If there is one aspect of Jagex that I am completely repulsed by, it is their ineffective control over appropriate player names.

What brings this disgust into the Times, however, is that Jagex is banning players for their names, but they are waiting until a player has been around for months, maybe even years; banning players whose names are not offensive (while saying that is the reason); and leaving players with indisputably offensive names untouched.

As those of you who read our forums may have already guessed, much of this frustration lies with the ban of Limparse. He was banned after playing for several months, given the reason that his name is inappropriate. Jagex deemed this name unacceptable because they read it as Limp Arse. You would think that somebody at Jagex would realize "limpar" is a Portuguese verb, and that adding "se" to the end of a verb in Portuguese makes it reflexive. Either Jagex is taking a stand against names in non-English languages, or a verb meaning "to clean oneself" is somehow inappropriate. I suppose we should take extra care in not letting other players know that we take showers; a moderator might mute us for bathing&#8230;

This mistake was due to an oversight by Jagex. This case does prove that Jagex will ban players for inappropriate names even months after the account&#8217;s creation. They will not allow you to change your name, thus you start from scratch, unless you have another account already. The fact that they will take these measures also signifies that Jagex is letting some players with inappropriate names continue to enjoy the game. Limparse was noticed due to other reports against him, but ultimately banned for his name. Why should players who do not get reported for other issues be allowed to keep their inappropriate names?

If Jagex is going to ban players for inappropriate names, they should upgrade their settings so that less inappropriate names get past the filters. They should also have certain strings of characters that will flag their attention for a manual check of a name, so that players with potentially inappropriate names will get taken care of before they have become a long-term player.

Also, if Jagex plans to ban players with inappropriate names (as they should be), they need to ban everybody with an inappropriate name. I myself could name at least fifty players who are level 110 combat or higher with indisputably offensive names. Some of these players have been around since RSC, and since the Jagex administrators like these players, they do not get banned. This would make it seem that the offensive language rules only apply to some.

What kind of names am I talking about? Obviously I can not name specific players without permission, much less if their names are inappropriate. I can, however, give a few loose examples: names containing the term &#8220;fuh qu&#8221; or &#8220;fah q&#8221;; names containing censor-evading misspellings such as &#8220;suxcox&#8221;; names with messages saying, &#8220;You&#8217;re a hoe&#8221;; or names with an inappropriate alternative for the word cat.

It is very amusing how the phrases in these names are censored within the game&#8217;s chat, yet these players are above the rules. Many of the players I allude to are well over 1500 skill total. Given the amount of time they have been playing, it is evident that Jagex is conveniently overlooking these players&#8217; names. Obviously they do not want to ban a long-term player, but does this justify allowing them to keep inappropriate names? Should the rules not apply to everybody?

I hope Jagex sees this. I am interested how this may shape the future of their customer support. I know I am not alone in my opinions. We do want the rules enforced, but we want them enforced without innocent players getting banned. We want the rules to apply to everybody equally. Giving some rule-breakers special treatment, while banning other players who have done nothing wrong, reflects poorly on RuneScape. End the hypocrisy, Jagex.

Wow Jagex has become a dictatorship. All they do is have the "Naw Bitch I'm not forgiving, for stepping on my hand Ima make you broke now!" attitude… Really wants me to blow up their servers one day :P

Andrew can go fuck himself the stupid cunt! if it wasnt for us "Cheaters" then think bout the prices of everything. The economy would fall to peices…


Yews are 330gp ea now, thats with hundreds of autoers, think if they all got banned? > ycj001 ycj002 ycj003 < look them up.

And ess, iff all autoers got banend runescape would crash.

ummmm yah i agree with some of your points and im not defending andrew whats his face right now im defending the community, i think you should edit you post and not call him a cunt cause jagex does once in a while stumple along sites like ours and they probably know about are im pretty sure they do, and if they find this im sure we would go down like kaitneiks so please dont get into personal attacks like that and put the community at risk…

Very interesting article, I was having a private conversation with my friend about a hacker that hacked another friend and half the conversation was in public chat, other half in private.
But a passing mod saw me talking with him and so gave each of us a temp mute which peed me off, but then the day after I tried to log on and had a 3 day ban! (For arranging a "scam")
So in my opinion Jagex are corrupt morons.

The way Jagex bans is seriously whacked :mad: My pure was hacked by my someone in my family on the same computer and same wireless network. I told them in my appeal against a rule 1 offence that my account was hacked by someone in my family therefore I had the same IP adress, yet they didn't spend there time to read the whole fucking thing, instead they used checked it with a computer. (technically, the way i put it, Jagex is telling us not to auto, yet they auto when it comes to the simple stuff they can get their staff to do.)

Lol i got banned from my low level acount that had alright skills and 300k.

For swearing.

Which i didnt even DO!

They just cant find a good reason so they make up BS.

But i was scripting on that acount:cool:

From: terkoiz
The way Jagex bans is seriously whacked :mad: My pure was hacked by my someone in my family on the same computer and same wireless network. I told them in my appeal against a rule 1 offence that my account was hacked by someone in my family therefore I had the same IP adress, yet they didn't spend there time to read the whole fucking thing, instead they used checked it with a computer. (technically, the way i put it, Jagex is telling us not to auto, yet they auto when it comes to the simple stuff they can get their staff to do.)

It's all automated. One time this guy filled the whole space with the f word, and it worked.

Gah, I could barely make it through half of the article. One thing I noticed though:

From: The Article
Also, if Jagex plans to ban players with inappropriate names (as they should be), they need to ban everybody with an inappropriate name. I myself could name at least fifty players who are level 110 combat or higher with indisputably offensive names. Some of these players have been around since RSC, and since the Jagex administrators like these players, they do not get banned. This would make it seem that the offensive language rules only apply to some.

The reason those players aren't banned, isn't because Jagex "like those players." It's because the person created the account before Jagex implemented the no-bad-names rule.

This is why I play WoW

i posted a reply to one of my friends threads.. 3 of his accounts were locked for no reason and then when he tried unlocking them they were atuo declined, and i said… "Fix it jagex or get your face KICKED in!"
and i was never banned :D… also.. im going to try appeal some black makrs with the f word :D

Let's Go Round Us Up Some Jagex Staff And Have A Good Ol' Fagex Drag!

we should make a game called cheatscape(haha). but jagex are wrong and need to get a life. thanks for those articles to. i enjoyed reading.

haxor

This article looks more like a blog. I'm gonna try to get it mainstream. It looks creditable enough for some med gaming sites.

wow, im kinda speechless after i read all of these. but jagex has enough money, with well over 50g a month. but i like the "community" feeling of this site.

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=419655

I thought I'd throw that in as well..

From: llamaman
wow, im kinda speechless after i read all of these. but jagex has enough money, with well over 50g a month. but i like the "community" feeling of this site.

50g, Lol, you need some math lessons…they just recently announced 1 mil members a month :rolleyes:

~RAM

maybe andrew gower instead of wasting money suing other websites could actually use the money to improve the graphics of the game…

ahh i hope i dont get banned for buying my brothers dragon wc axe from him for 2.5mil:cartman:

Jagex rakes in millions of dollars. They have had over 5 million members at one time, all of which are paying AT LEAST $5 monthly. Thats 15 million dollars. Then they have advertisements that reach over 10 million free to play players, generating even more money. Macroing cost them at least 1 million dollars in lost potential membership. I cant see why you all are surprised/angered at all by this.

Ever since I saw the "post a picture of yourself thread" i have realized that alot of people here may not understand buisness, and I did factor that into my reply.

O_O I hope my latest creation doesn't get banned

Aroused Rod

I should goto urbarn dictionary now and install a definition? :D



Also, I remember back in 2000 when I first started their were no rules as far as I remember. There were all but 4 servers… and there were no filters.. Also the names Wifebeater comes to mind hehe..

But being as I started when their were no rules (as I remember), then I have not agreed to a new contract and therefore the rules should not apply to me.

Holy shit, stop grave digging a year old topic…

Ummmm lol? Your getting mad at them for gravedigging when you just bumped a 2 month old topic?

Hypocrite tbh…

man jagex did get really mad does anybody know if they actually sued tip.it? if so for how much?

From: nething
Ummmm lol? Your getting mad at them for gravedigging when you just bumped a 2 month old topic?

Hypocrite tbh…

OOps wtf, I got a new reply notification to this topic yesterday. I'll post a screen shot to prove it!

From: solarwind
OOps wtf, I got a new reply notification to this topic yesterday. I'll post a screen shot to prove it!

Same here, I just didn't reply because of the post date on the last post. I thought I had accidentally clicked back a couple pages through the forums or something, and went back and the topic was gone O_o.

It's a shame I,ve been threatened to by my Runescape 3 phishing site lol.

Wizzup's Ess miner.

I got it like a month ago and love it.

This will lag crap out of your computer.
Shoulden't mention it but NeXus can :D.

Good guide gives overall definition could go more in depth though.

From: MasterKill
wrong section…..

download SCAR 3.11

download SRL 4.0

couse else nothing will work

Exactly try a good script to like Wizzup's Ess Miner.

Mine totally lags with wizzups to but, it still works good.

Uninstall and reinstall is the best answer.

Not really…but its worth a shot.

It worked good but it randomly stopped on me ?
After like 7 mins.

Its good and seems to work well shame its not completely your own script =/

I''ll try it now and hopefully give you results.

Good job, what was your score?

Attention Spammers and Leechers…

From: nething
Ummmm lol? Your getting mad at them for gravedigging when you just bumped a 2 month old topic?

Hypocrite tbh…

From: solarwind
OOps wtf, I got a new reply notification to this topic yesterday. I'll post a screen shot to prove it!

From: ferrous
Same here, I just didn't reply because of the post date on the last post. I thought I had accidentally clicked back a couple pages through the forums or something, and went back and the topic was gone O_o.

09-30-2007, 10:41 PM Manage
Aser This message has been deleted by RAM. Reason: grave digging,Inappropriate language, SPAM

Sorry guys, Not Solar's Fault…and not intended to frame him..Sorry Solar :redface:

What can they sue for?

just got banned for trading with a macro account, when i received a DONATION from someone who macroed…WTF!?!?! how was is supposed to know..?

So if you want to get someone macroed then :
macro on your account , auto lob fish for 20 hours or so and then 2 days later ( if still not banned) give all the lobs as a donation to someone , they will be banned….

This is what happened to me , the guy must've known that i would get banned , i was suspicious when he came up to me on his lvl 29 account but meh, who would turn down 15k cooked lobs for free :(

Jagex, in my oppinion has weird ethics on things. Banning is one of them. And I read the article that was ''removed'' and it didnt seem lawsuit worthy to me?

From: deaduar3
just got banned for trading with a macro account, when i received a DONATION from someone who macroed…WTF!?!?! how was is supposed to know..?

So if you want to get someone macroed then :
macro on your account , auto lob fish for 20 hours or so and then 2 days later ( if still not banned) give all the lobs as a donation to someone , they will be banned….

This is what happened to me , the guy must've known that i would get banned , i was suspicious when he came up to me on his lvl 29 account but meh, who would turn down 15k cooked lobs for free :(

I'm suprised that the guy who gave you the lobs. wasn't banned as well. "Fagsex" (as the guy on the 1st or 2nd page would say) bans people who receive loads of items (Like 15k lobs) for free because they probably think that you're "in on it". Did you tell Jagex to check the IPs? You might get your account back by doing that.

Just read the article, it's very intresting and I can see where the editor is coming from. Tip it should have stood there ground.
Freedom of speech

I know Jagex is being unfair and all but if you had 1500 high level mems bringing in you a total of more than 7000 dollars a month then i dont think you would be as hard on them as you would 1500 medium level freeplayers. That is just from an economical standpoint though.

Month old FTW?

:O, jagex are crazy, i agree with the article though they banned me for duel logging in :( just because i wanted to give me macroers some stuff frig!

wow i have an acc called "u ass12" and im not banned

gravedig…

Jagex should have a NO-BANNING-MONTH every year, that;d be fucking awsome:) shit loads of exp will be gained that month:)

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