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1. All consenting sex in Satanism is free- straight, gay, bi-sexual, group sex, etc. Your sex life is your own personal business. This also includes those who choose to remain sexually inactive, or who are a-sexual. Your sex life, however you choose to live it is your own business!

2. Recreational drug is your own business and your own judgement. Responsibility to the responsible. Spiritual Satanism advocates empowering the soul without the use of artificial stimulants or mind-altering substances, but this is up to the individual.

3. Satan does not demand slavish worship. He does not expect us to be "sorry." Satan gives us knowledge and expects us to apply that knowledge in advancing our powers and our soul. Satan wants for us to grow, evolve and become independent.

4. Satanic prayer is sending energy. For example if a loved one is sick, we would send him/her healing energy.
To commmunicate with Satan and his Demons, we do this telepathically. This sort of thing will come with power meditation and opening your mind. Satan DOES hear us when we communicate to him.

5. Weekly rituals are great for new people in opening the soul to Satanic energy which is very beautiful.

6. People coming here who were former Christians, need to read through Exposing Christianity.
By reading through the articles, you will see the truth. The world has been indoctrinated and force-fed lies for centuries through Christianity and its cohorts. Christianity is a lie and nothing more than a program to remove spirituality. In coming to Satanism, you will find the spirit world and your soul are very real. Few have experienced real spirituality, empowering the soul and so forth, due to centuries of lies. Through learning and empowering oursleves, anxieties and fears are banished and we become strong in wisdom and knowledge. Most Satanists are spiritually confident and capable and do not fear the so-called "supernatural" or death.

7. If you are under-age and living in a Christian home, Satan understands. Do the best you can until you are of legal age and can practice your religion freely. Satan wants his people to be safe. Satan states in the Al-Jilwah:
"Do not mention my name nor my attributes, lest ye regret it; for ye do not know what those who are without may do."

8. There are no mediators in Satanism. Please read the following article:

Paraphrase Satanism is better than Christianity or Judism or Islam or any other religion.

Who doesn't want to be part of a religion that lets you do anything you want without "sinning". Anybody can join not just people that are true to a 2000 year old book that some random Roman dudes wrote.

God is portrayed to be a perfect being for lack of a better word. The gods of organized religion are not perfect they have emotion. Emotions are the exact oposite of perfect especially anger and hate. God kills way more people in the Bible that Satan does.

Also humans are made "in the image of the gods" if God(s) was perfect wouldn't we be perfect too.

Where did the water from the great flood come from. Since when was worshiping solitarily more evil that persecuting thousands of people just because they don't share the same beliefs as you do. Why do Christians have a disgusting torture device as their religios symbol.

How many people in organized religion think for them selves. Obama would be the best president the United States has seen in quite a while. Why isn't he winning the election hands down? Because the religious leaders are against him and using their power as the leaders of the brain washed to elect a P and VP who have absolutly no bussiness in office. Both are only running on the basis of religion which th Constitution of the United States of America says religion and the state should remain seperate.

Organized religion is ruining the world. Take a step back and make a thought for yourselves once in a while. A preacher is not a diety they are only human no better than you or I. Why should they be looked upto an followed? All they did was read a book a few times and learn how to make speeches. Go read the Bible for yourself find out that it isn't ment to be interpreted literally. Find out all of the little ommisions that they make and see if you still want to follow the "leaders of the flock".

If I wrote a book one day and some how it survived 2000 years would people follow it to the word? I certainly hope not for the sake of the future.

Basically what I want to ask is, do you believe in your beliefs or do you believe in someone elses?

Why would i even care about this?

If he's there, down under then i would kill him :o

I skimmed through that article that "s" word, would be "no rules"

Stop with I ♥ Satan bull, nobody cares, you may say I care because I'm replying to this post but it's caues I'm sick and bored lol. Maybe if you wore something besides black all the time, peolpe would say hi or sit next to you. Maybe if you didn't sit in the corner and curl up in a ball to eat, your co-workers would invite you to lunch. Ohh and for all the other people on other forums, you can't have one without the other so stop saying God isn't real and you only worship Satan, cause you can't tell me what bitter taste like unless you've tasted sweet before.

From: Phipps22
Stop with I ♥ Satan bull, nobody cares, you may say I care because I'm replying to this post but it's caues I'm sick and bored lol. Maybe if you wore something besides black all the time, peolpe would say hi or sit next to you. Maybe if you didn't sit in the corner and curl up in a ball to eat, your co-workers would invite you to lunch. Ohh and for all the other people on other forums, you can't have one without the other so stop saying God isn't real and you only worship Satan, cause you can't tell me what bitter taste like unless you've tasted sweet before.

I never said I love satan. I was just passing on a little information to maybe open someone's eyes a little bit. And right now I'm wearing an orange shirt and blue jeans. I have about 5 friends, people say hi to me and sit next to me. I don't curl up in a ball to eat, and the reason I don't eat with others is because their so loud…

How do you know their can't be one without the other?

From: Aser
I never said I love satan. I was just passing on a little information to maybe open someone's eyes a little bit. And right now I'm wearing an orange shirt and blue jeans. I have about 5 friends, people say hi to me and sit next to me. I don't curl up in a ball to eat, and the reason I don't eat with others is because their so loud…

How do you know their can't be one without the other?

Shazam.


Apology posted below…

Both are fake in my opinion. And yakman already made a big thread about this stuff I think..

It's sad you have come to this Aser. Yes that religion is a true religion, however what they fail to tell you is that you will be punished for eternity. Satan the most horrible being ever created. I understand in a sense, atheistic belief, but this is just crazy. Can you comprehend eternity suffering unmercifully? If you choose to take on this cult, let your actions be on your own shoulders.

All I can say, is that today, I finally saw what atheistic people see. Not to say I think its right, by no stretch of the imagination, but at least I don't think as lowly of it as before (that's a sticky subject to get into, I don't condone it at all, but I do understand it fully and can see how you may believe it. However in understanding it, I also understood what you don't understand and what makes you think that.)

You don't understand the attributes of God. God is the most powerful being in the universe. The things you stated happened before Jesus (God in human form) died on the cross (and by the way, you make it sound like that is bad and it is our religious icon. Man did that to Him, and it had to be done). God is a Just God overall, not just a genie, giving you wishes. His power is much greater than Satan's, in fact Satan and his demon's basically have to get God's permission to do anything. God let's them, because again, He gives you a choice. I feel sorry for anyone that has resorted to this and that thinks God is the evil one here. He killed His son for you, and He is God, you may not comprehend that because you are probably not a father. Let me rephrase that, He let His son die for you. I don't suffer on a daily basis except for things like this, God brings only joy and happiness in my life, because I understand Him and His creation.

In the end, I will spend eternity in Heaven, no matter what goes on in this forum, and if you choose to join Satanism, you will spend eternity in Hell. Simply as that. And to clear up one more question, God created Hell and you think its a bad thing. Well He also created Heaven and its all your fault if you go there, so stop trying to blame God, as if He makes you go there and not believe in Him.

From: pwnaz0r
It's sad you have come to this Aser. Yes that religion is a true religion, however what they fail to tell you is that you will be punished for eternity. Satan the most horrible being ever created. I understand in a sense, atheistic belief, but this is just crazy. Can you comprehend eternity suffering unmercifully? If you choose to take on this cult, let your actions be on your own shoulders.

You will be punished with eternal suffering in heaven too. Prove me wrong.

From: pwnaz0r
It's sad you have come to this Aser. Yes that religion is a true religion, however what they fail to tell you is that you will be punished for eternity. Satan the most horrible being ever created. I understand in a sense, atheistic belief, but this is just crazy. Can you comprehend eternity suffering unmercifully? If you choose to take on this cult, let your actions be on your own shoulders.

All I can say, is that today, I finally saw what atheistic people see. Not to say I think its right, by no stretch of the imagination, but at least I don't think as lowly of it as before (that's a sticky subject to get into, I don't condone it at all, but I do understand it fully and can see how you may believe it. However in understanding it, I also understood what you don't understand and what makes you think that.)

You don't understand the attributes of God. God is the most powerful being in the universe. The things you stated happened before Jesus (God in human form) died on the cross (and by the way, you make it sound like that is bad and it is our religious icon. Man did that to Him, and it had to be done). God is a Just God overall, not just a genie, giving you wishes. His power is much greater than Satan's, in fact Satan and his demon's basically have to get God's permission to do anything. God let's them, because again, He gives you a choice. I feel sorry for anyone that has resorted to this and that thinks God is the evil one here. He killed His son for you, and He is God, you may not comprehend that because you are probably not a father. Let me rephrase that, He let His son die for you. I don't suffer on a daily basis except for things like this, God brings only joy and happiness in my life, because I understand Him and His creation.

In the end, I will spend eternity in Heaven, no matter what goes on in this forum, and if you choose to join Satanism, you will spend eternity in Hell. Simply as that. And to clear up one more question, God created Hell and you think its a bad thing. Well He also created Heaven and its all your fault if you go there, so stop trying to blame God, as if He makes you go there and not believe in Him.

That's because you're a christian and have been one all your life, no? If you had been a satanist, you would've seen this in an entirely different light. Perspect makes the difference.

i can see where BlackThursday is coming from,

when you say "they don't mention that you'll be going to hell",
the reason they dont mention it is because they dont believe it, to them, they are not going to hell at all.

it would be like a muslim coming up to you and saying "you don't pray 5 times a day, you'll be going to hell. God gave you a choice but you said no, you choose your own fate"

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Do they give you something to wash that bullshit down with?

In the end, I will spend eternity in Heaven

says you.

Or in the end, when you die, you wil just kinda…die. Absolutely nothing will happen and you will just cease to exist. That could happen too :)

From: Dan Cardin
says you.

Or in the end, when you die, you wil just kinda…die. Absolutely nothing will happen and you will just cease to exist. That could happen too :)

Well, he won't be bothered by that then as he won't be alive or can't think.. So basically it'll just make him feel better about dying when he can think he won't just cease to exist, or will exist as a rotting carcass until the worms get him.

From: Dan Cardin
says you.

Or in the end, when you die, you wil just kinda…die. Absolutely nothing will happen and you will just cease to exist. That could happen too :)

Actually Dan, I've got bad news. While you may be going to one heaven, you will also be going to several forms of hell. We'll just put it on a daily rotator, Heaven on saturday, hell the rest of the week. I hear Muslim hell is very interesting.

From: Dan Cardin
says you.

Or in the end, when you die, you wil just kinda…die. Absolutely nothing will happen and you will just cease to exist. That could happen too :)

No…because the Bible is true.

From: BlackThursday
That's because you're a christian and have been one all your life, no? If you had been a satanist, you would've seen this in an entirely different light. Perspect makes the difference.

Haha, I see how interest in this you are (saying you haven't read any of my main threads, thats like in the first paragraph of everyone). No, I was an athiest till about a year ago, which is why I am on the forums, trying to explain why I converted an whats wrong with it. And this is all one perspective, they both believe the exact same things. One is on satan's side, the other is on God's very simple

From: pwnaz0r
It's sad you have come to this Aser. Yes that religion is a true religion, however what they fail to tell you is that you will be punished for eternity. Satan the most horrible being ever created. I understand in a sense, atheistic belief, but this is just crazy. Can you comprehend eternity suffering unmercifully? If you choose to take on this cult, let your actions be on your own shoulders.

All I can say, is that today, I finally saw what atheistic people see. Not to say I think its right, by no stretch of the imagination, but at least I don't think as lowly of it as before (that's a sticky subject to get into, I don't condone it at all, but I do understand it fully and can see how you may believe it. However in understanding it, I also understood what you don't understand and what makes you think that.)

You don't understand the attributes of God. God is the most powerful being in the universe. The things you stated happened before Jesus (God in human form) died on the cross (and by the way, you make it sound like that is bad and it is our religious icon. Man did that to Him, and it had to be done). God is a Just God overall, not just a genie, giving you wishes. His power is much greater than Satan's, in fact Satan and his demon's basically have to get God's permission to do anything. God let's them, because again, He gives you a choice. I feel sorry for anyone that has resorted to this and that thinks God is the evil one here. He killed His son for you, and He is God, you may not comprehend that because you are probably not a father. Let me rephrase that, He let His son die for you. I don't suffer on a daily basis except for things like this, God brings only joy and happiness in my life, because I understand Him and His creation.

In the end, I will spend eternity in Heaven, no matter what goes on in this forum, and if you choose to join Satanism, you will spend eternity in Hell. Simply as that. And to clear up one more question, God created Hell and you think its a bad thing. Well He also created Heaven and its all your fault if you go there, so stop trying to blame God, as if He makes you go there and not believe in Him.

Don't get me started on this :P

//Due to me getting a spam warning for the earlier post ("Shazam"), I felt the need to apologize for posting a single word post… personally I was just saving a waste of good energy that could be put to use scripting and instead of saying a longer but seemingly more intellectually adept, "don't judge, for you will be judged; don't categorize , for you will be categorized into one of two places….(and more)…." I decided to make it short simple and to the point…

From: anonymity
….If asked what religion I was in, I would answer Christianity (and most likely some more); personally I cannot stand most religious people. I mean ….. alright this is not vain usage … just one way of putting it… "Religious people… for Christ sake… they killed Jesus…" =] I don't go around trying to shove my ideals and morals down peoples' throats, and I don't go out and be like "You going to Hell; Repent!" That's just insolence… In my opinion… shut up and talk… seriously would people notice anything different if you couldn't speak? what is it that makes you what you are… not being hypocritical… I am good friends with loads of different peoples… nothing is to say that I cannot converse with an Atheist, play cards with a Wiccan, spend the night at a Pagan's house, and/or laugh and cry with a Buddhist. Whatever. Debating and discussing is all in good fun and can be enjoyed, but knowingly trying to hurt someone and forcing your thoughts and foul language at other people …. that's just not conducive to a good SRL forums environment.

://Hopes I don't offend anybody.

Don't get me wrong, I have an intimate relationship to my beliefs… I don't like to be labeled as 'religious' though.

//…and honestly…

From: anonymity
Can't you see this fighting is tearing us appart?!?!????!!!!!

V/R,
anonymity

://I was wondering if there is any possibility of removing an infraction¿

From: Ruroken
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Do they give you something to wash that bullshit down with?

The same could easily be said about the bible.
I'm not saying that I'm a Satanist, and if I was I could easily feel safe from the terrors of the christian hell or even the Muslim one.

You say I'm going to hell… I say good for me. I would hate to live in your so called pure perfect world. No…let me think…anything fun, would be what you consider to be heaven. What can you do in heaven? Bask in the glory of the lord. The End. Thats it. If it is so great why would reincarnation exist? The only thing I can think of is that it exists because heaven would be the most boring thing ever.

I say I'm going to go to the afterlife, I don't illusion myself thinking that I know what happens after death. All I know is that the christian god has never done anything for me besides send his son to death for my sins. Russia sent over 2 million of its sons to death for the good of everyone in WWI. Does this mean that Russia is 2 million times better than god with the additional bonus of not giving conditions for the sacrifice. America has sacrificed hundreds of thousands of her sons for the freedom of its people. Does this make America god except better. America could be considered a heaven to those who live in unfortunate places of the globe.

If sacrificing to make a great place and allow people to share in that place is divinity then god is pretty low on the list.

From: Dan Cardin


Or in the end, when you die, you wil just kinda…die. Absolutely nothing will happen and you will just cease to exist. That could happen too :)

That’s true none of us could ever really know what happens after death. Maybe we should all start thinking for ourselves and instead of believing in an old book, which should be considered a fiction because of lack of anything near proof, come up with our own religions. People are individuals and we should be happy about that individuality. I am super glad that I'm not like other people and I would bet my life that many, many others are super glad they are not like me. If we were all the same so would everything else be. Diversity creates diversity which makes the world go round. Interpret your religious book (or books or stories) for yourself. Don't let another person tell you what it says. Let your soul and your mind tell you what it means.

From: Aser
The same could easily be said about the bible.
I'm not saying that I'm a Satanist, and if I was I could easily feel safe from the terrors of the christian hell or even the Muslim one.

You say I'm going to hell… I say good for me. I would hate to live in your so called pure perfect world. No…let me think…anything fun, would be what you consider to be heaven. What can you do in heaven? Bask in the glory of the lord. The End. Thats it. If it is so great why would reincarnation exist? The only thing I can think of is that it exists because heaven would be the most boring thing ever.

I say I'm going to go to the afterlife, I don't illusion myself thinking that I know what happens after death. All I know is that the christian god has never done anything for me besides send his son to death for my sins. Russia sent over 2 million of its sons to death for the good of everyone in WWI. Does this mean that Russia is 2 million times better than god with the additional bonus of not giving conditions for the sacrifice. America has sacrificed hundreds of thousands of her sons for the freedom of its people. Does this make America god except better. America could be considered a heaven to those who live in unfortunate places of the globe.

If sacrificing to make a great place and allow people to share in that place is divinity then god is pretty low on the list.

Your logic is flawed :p

With such a shallow understanding of spirituality, don't post things like this. Your playing with fire and WILL get burned.

how about you explain WHY his logic is flawed.

also, I'm interested to know why you think you've got spirituality exactly right, and everyone else has got it wrong.


this reminds me a lot of muslim suicide bombers, the muslim head of worship is quick to say "The suicide bombers were following the wrong version of Islam"
but what makes them so sure that they have the correct version? its entirely possible they've made a mistake and the suicide bombers have the correct Islam.

From: Yakman
how about you explain WHY his logic is flawed.

also, I'm interested to know why you think you've got spirituality exactly right, and everyone else has got it wrong.


this reminds me a lot of muslim suicide bombers, the muslim head of worship is quick to say "The suicide bombers were following the wrong version of Islam"
but what makes them so sure that they have the correct version? its entirely possible they've made a mistake and the suicide bombers have the correct Islam.

Islam prohibits you from commiting suicide. You cant even kill yourself if your depressed. And no islam is no mistake. Though's people that blew themselves up are either extremists, or they were used to frame islam so it would have a bad name.

But…. but… yakman…

I thought you were my buddy, my amigo, my commie friend!

You showed me pictures of your cherries, we swapped theories on girls….. :(

From: kingarabian
Islam prohibits you from commiting suicide. You cant even kill yourself if your depressed. And no islam is no mistake. Though's people that blew themselves up are either extremists, or they were used to frame islam so it would have a bad name.

Are you an expert on Islam? There is more than just one version of Islam that exists. That was like saying that because Catholics believe in exorcism that Christianity allows you to do exorcisms. I'm pretty sure that there are quite a few versions of Christianity that don't do or believe in exorcisms.

My logic is flawed?

I would really enjoy if you would tell me how my logic is flawed. Because in my opinion my logic is pretty good. Maybe your logic is flawed and that caused you to think that mine is. Maybe I'm right and you're wrong for once? Who knows? I'm not claiming to.

Have fun with your closed perspectives guys. I'm going to have fun keeping my mind open so that I can make a choice when the time comes not go blindly down the wrong path.

P.S. The title of this thread is Satan better than God? Do they exist?
Notice the "?"…? It means that I wasn't taking any sides…but then all of the "christians" started bashing me. So I decided that the people with open minds were a lot better people.

From: kingarabian
Islam prohibits you from commiting suicide. You cant even kill yourself if your depressed. And no islam is no mistake. Though's people that blew themselves up are either extremists, or they were used to frame islam so it would have a bad name.

thats funny, I've heard that islam says if you are a martyr to islam, you get rewarded with 72 virgins.

so either islam contradicts itself, or one or both of us has made a mistake.



@ Ruroken,
that post wasnt meant in a hostile way, although just cause we're friends doesnt mean we agree on everything,
we're friends, but that doesnt mean you're a communist.

btw

From: Ruroken
You showed me pictures of your cherries

that doesn't sound weird at all…

to clarify, i have a large cherry tree in my garden, and one year i got a very large harvest and showed Ruroken.

From: Yakman
thats funny, I've heard that islam says if you are a martyr to islam, you get rewarded with 72 virgins.

so either islam contradicts itself, or one or both of us has made a mistake.

Martyring your self for your beliefs isn't usually considered suicide so the 72 virgin thing wouldn't be a a form of suicide. But then again only the radicals consider the bombings as martyring as being a martyr. It all just depends on what form of Islam you look at… in any religion there are going to be different views of the people even though they are generally grouped together by their overall beliefs.

From: Aser
Martyring your self for your beliefs isn't usually considered suicide so the 72 virgin thing wouldn't be a a form of suicide.

yes it is, they are called suicide bombers.
you're killing yourself, thats suicide.
if you kill yourself for your cause, it still suicide, but its also martyrdom

From: Aser
But then again only the radicals consider the bombings as martyring as being a martyr.

no, i would consider it too,
these people believe that america is bad and isreal shouldnt exist and stuff,
they feel it is a good idea to become a suicide bomber to help their cause.

thats martyrdom to me,
it doesnt matter that i dont agree with them, its still martyrdom

From: Aser
It all just depends on what form of Islam you look at… in any religion there are going to be different views of the people even though they are generally grouped together by their overall beliefs.

i agree, however, normally these different sects are more or less equal,
but you see in islam, one side is saying the other side has the complete wrong idea.

i was just wondering how that side can be so sure they are correct.

From: Yakman
yes it is, they are called suicide bombers.
you're killing yourself, thats suicide.
if you kill yourself for your cause, it still suicide, but its also martyrdom



no, i would consider it too,
these people believe that america is bad and isreal shouldnt exist and stuff,
they feel it is a good idea to become a suicide bomber to help their cause.

thats martyrdom to me,
it doesnt matter that i dont agree with them, its still martyrdom




i agree, however, normally these different sects are more or less equal,
but you see in islam, one side is saying the other side has the complete wrong idea.

i was just wondering how that side can be so sure they are correct.

Toche…

… The other side can't know that they are absolutley right they are just being stupid and closed minded.

I wwatched this thing on the news the other night that was about some anit-religion movie that pretty much covered this topic perfectly….don't remember what it was called tho

From: kingarabian
Islam prohibits you from commiting suicide. You cant even kill yourself if your depressed. And no islam is no mistake. Though's people that blew themselves up are either extremists, or they were used to frame islam so it would have a bad name.

Those people are extremists, and they simply don't 'obey' the Islam. The Islam states no such thing as 71 virgins when you do suicide for your beliefs, nor does it state you should ever do such a thing, at all. They just don't know what the Islam states… The bible does not allow you to commit suicide either, by the way.

From: Aser
Satan wants for us to grow, evolve and become independent.

You can believe in God, Satan, and whoever the fuck else, but I don't see why so many people try and pursuade others to do the same. Why do you people want a God? Every damn book that some religion is supposed to follow is flawed. If 'Satan' wanted us to be fucking independant, then surely believing in any sort of 'God' clearly doesn't make you independant. Live your own damn lives and not rules from a book. Make your own decisions, instead of relying on 'God' to guide you. Why do people use books instead of brains? :/

From: orange
You can believe in God, Satan, and whoever the fuck else, but I don't see why so many people try and pursuade others to do the same. Why do you people want a God? Every damn book that some religion is supposed to follow is flawed. If 'Satan' wanted us to be fucking independant, then surely believing in any sort of 'God' clearly doesn't make you independant. Live your own damn lives and not rules from a book. Make your own decisions, instead of relying on 'God' to guide you. Why do people use books instead of brains? :/

That is exactly the point that I was trying to make if you read the whole thread you would have seen that.

Reason = They are either too stupid to think for themselves or they have been brought up that way so it is basically brain washing…in my opinion

I heard that when people die there is always a constant amount of mass that immediately disappears from their body regardless of their original size, weight, or anything else that might alter this mass. It's believed by some to be the person's soul leaving the body. Just throwing that out there. =)

Do not gravedig.

11-03-2008 05:10 PM

Last post is over a month old.

From: pwnaz0r
It's sad you have come to this Aser. Yes that religion is a true religion, however what they fail to tell you is that you will be punished for eternity. Satan the most horrible being ever created. I understand in a sense, atheistic belief, but this is just crazy. Can you comprehend eternity suffering unmercifully? If you choose to take on this cult, let your actions be on your own shoulders.

All I can say, is that today, I finally saw what atheistic people see. Not to say I think its right, by no stretch of the imagination, but at least I don't think as lowly of it as before (that's a sticky subject to get into, I don't condone it at all, but I do understand it fully and can see how you may believe it. However in understanding it, I also understood what you don't understand and what makes you think that.)

You don't understand the attributes of God. God is the most powerful being in the universe. The things you stated happened before Jesus (God in human form) died on the cross (and by the way, you make it sound like that is bad and it is our religious icon. Man did that to Him, and it had to be done). God is a Just God overall, not just a genie, giving you wishes. His power is much greater than Satan's, in fact Satan and his demon's basically have to get God's permission to do anything. God let's them, because again, He gives you a choice. I feel sorry for anyone that has resorted to this and that thinks God is the evil one here. He killed His son for you, and He is God, you may not comprehend that because you are probably not a father. Let me rephrase that, He let His son die for you. I don't suffer on a daily basis except for things like this, God brings only joy and happiness in my life, because I understand Him and His creation.

In the end, I will spend eternity in Heaven, no matter what goes on in this forum, and if you choose to join Satanism, you will spend eternity in Hell. Simply as that. And to clear up one more question, God created Hell and you think its a bad thing. Well He also created Heaven and its all your fault if you go there, so stop trying to blame God, as if He makes you go there and not believe in Him.

Thats because we're athiests and we dont care to investigate the "attributes of god", it doesnt change the fact that organised religion is bs. But lets not argue that here, take it to your final creator vs evolution thread I reckon….still a few posts left unresponded I think

No he is not.Period.

That is a personal opinion. So it is more of a you think he is, question mark.

From my understanding (from the religions perspective of course), Satan (Gabriel?) tried to overthrow God or something, and God sent him down to either Hell or Earth (maybe both? No 5 people seem to say the same thing) and for some reason he now is all the bad in the world. Is that right, and where in the Bible does it actually say the story? Or is it just another story my CCD (random Catholic "education" thing) teachers made up.

From: Widget
Satan (Gabriel?)

*Lucifer
the name means "bringer of light" or "illuminator"

so i guess if you follow saten you get lighter, brighter and illuminated.
Jesus said "I am the light", he was wrong, only Lucifer is the light.


^ but of course this is just as dogmatic as the christan religion itself, it holds no water

From: rodnman1234
I heard that when people die there is always a constant amount of mass that immediately disappears from their body regardless of their original size, weight, or anything else that might alter this mass. It's believed by some to be the person's soul leaving the body. Just throwing that out there. =)

this doesnt happen, its simply not true.

Right, that's why Google isn't being helpful. :p

Also, has it crossed anyone's mind that maybe he thought God was just a big bully? (once again assuming this is all real blah blah.) Maybe Satan just thought God was being mean (I mean, look at all the people God's killed) and that he could do a better job (has anyone seen Code Geass? :))

Well it looks like the grave digger got the discussion going again…

Widget, that is a good point. Maybe he just said f you God. If I can't have fun then I'm going somewhere that I can. I know that's waht I would do.

From: Aser
Well it looks like the grave digger got the discussion going again…

Widget, that is a good point. Maybe he just said f you God. If I can't have fun then I'm going somewhere that I can. I know that's waht I would do.

We have already done it. according to the bible