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please watch this vid
click me
please watch the whole thing it makes more sence then how to make a baby…

without even watching the video i bet it was the american goverment. There always bs'ing about america's freedom and there always plotting abd stabbing eachother in the back.

what happened was that the goverment had fired 2 missuls and the government had pressured the media to cover it up with a"plane attack" and the 2 planes that supposvuly got hijacked where never even registered to have taken off that morning

also did you know the attack on the pentagon was the goverment aswell, there was a local gas station that cought a missle on there CCTV heading there. Not long after it was reported the gas station was robbed and the edidence was taken. another thing to back this up is that the hole in the side of the pentagon was to small, there is no way a plane hit it.

ROFL at your missile theory.
Was the planes that hit it.
Why would the US kill hundreds of thousands of people?

If it was missiles that took it down, what happened to 2 people who were on the planes that I had known?..answer that.

considering half of the world knows about this im suprised you dident. Have you even seen, the damage to the pentagon. Impossible for a plane to have done it.

wow i never even thot of this, i always thot it was a plane but this video must be made by very intelligent people to be able to think of all of the variabes!!
EDIT: wow never mind i didnt see hys post… sry to hear that hy

you never know lol.

From: Hy71194
ROFL at your missile theory.
Was the planes that hit it.
Why would the US kill hundreds of thousands of people?

If it was missiles that took it down, what happened to 2 people who were on the planes that I had known?..answer that.

Nice to see there is a sane person on this thread.

To the rest: /facepalm

Seriously, this stuff is so stupid. I'll watch that video after this post.

i still sick to what i say it was the goverment

Go ahead, please answer this: why would they do this?

because they wanted war.

um dude the government would not do that there stupid at times but i doubt anywhere near that stupid

From: mattlox 2
because they wanted war.

you fail make up a reasonable explination next time idiot

I think a pixie flew by and used her wand to destroy the buildings…my theory is more plausible than yours.

oh well what ever i know it was the goverment rofl. and im tired im going to bed

yea the government would never do this, it was planes

it was not planes it was started because the goverment needed a logical way to start a war there is more behind the war i think this whole terroest thing is bs we are over there looking for something and its not bin laden….. there is more that the govarment is hiding…

From: sk8terbitu
it was not planes it was started because the goverment needed a logical way to start a war there is more behind the war i think this whole terroest thing is bs we are over there looking for something and its not bin laden….. there is more that the govarment is hiding…

You keep saying stuff like this, but you never give logical reasons. Saying things like this without reasons makes you sound like a hippie on lots of drugs.

This thread is absurd, and made of fail.

Closed Please?

The high octane fuel being used to power jets is quite capable of the damage that was caused. Also, the structural damage is what actually caused the buildings to collapse, so just shut up.

I bet you think we didn't land on the moon, right?

watch the vid u noobs…..dont post unless you watched it….

From: mattlox 2
because they wanted war.

Lol, that's like saying "people commit suicide because they are happy with their life".

The US was leading a peacetime economy before the planes crashed; give 3 good reasons why the US would want war?

And on a side note.. if the US did want war, they would simply invade a country, but with no reason at to why.. -.-

oil?

I agree with mat all some bs from the goverment. Though why are people talking about this?
Why did you even put a video on here about it?

Lol dont wana be mod like but maybe general news isnt best place, give him a break watch the video beofre flaming maybe?

From: djcheater
oil?

My thoughts exactly. The middle east has tons of oil. If they were to stop supplying the US, they would be fucked IMO. So they wanted to secure their supply.

we want war because oil, water, paranoid because the middle east is makeing bombs.
now you say wtf water well the middle east provides a majority of fresh water if you dident know.

Oh my lord…. if this is real…. I'm pissed.

I'm sure that some of it is real, however, not the full blown thing. They definitely wanted war, and had to make it look bigger to make the public believe them. It was not completely fake though, for 2 reasons. First, the terrorists took credit for it… it's even on their websites. Second, SOMEBODY must have a conscience.

Also you now have a vast military base in the middle east!

haha i cant believe ppl actually believe this

so what other conspiracy theories do u believe????

u keep saying that u know it was the government?? how do u know this post so evidence

Alright then why not just kill everyone over there? We have the people and fire power to do
Kill them all then we just take what ever we like..
Isn't the way the US has always worked?

From: Bonfield
haha i cant believe ppl actually believe this

so what other conspiracy theories do u believe????

u keep saying that u know it was the government?? how do u know this post so evidence

for the millionth time watch the god damen video!

From: 3Garrett3
My thoughts exactly. The middle east has tons of oil. If they were to stop supplying the US, they would be fucked IMO. So they wanted to secure their supply.

Well said. And at that time, saudia arabia started to say no to the united states demands for reasons. So they did this 9/11 stuff so they can blame it on the arabs.

And please, if you want more evidence, then watch the god damn link he posted or google 9/11 hoax. Or even better? Watch Fahrenheit 9/11.

And why would the government do this? They dont really care about 2.3k+ lives. If it costs them lives of people to get what they want, they will do it. My money is on that.

And were did you get that theory it was missiles? I dont think it was missiles.

From: kingarabian

And why would the government do this? They dont really care about 2.3k+ lives.

It was around 2.9-3k people who died I believe. & the links the guy in that vid tries to put together are so far fetched he should go fuck himself, I managed to watch maybe 20 mins of the vid before closing(skipping thru a few sections to try & see the whole movie too).

Oh, Oh! I just thought of how the gov did 9/11!!! They used Roflcopters!!!!11111

actually government was in debt at the time and they got a hell of a lot of cash out of this

From: Waddo
actually government was in debt at the time and they got a hell of a lot of cash out of this

Uhh… what? Do you know how much this war is costing the country? We are in a lot of debt.

I'll stick with the saying…
Shoot em first ask questions later

That just seems to work out so well for us

From: Waddo
actually government was in debt at the time and they got a hell of a lot of cash out of this

From: bullzeye95
Uhh… what? Do you know how much this war is costing the country? We are in a lot of debt.

Yarly, the USA is in shit b/c of the war

hmm your arms companies arent, all the money ur making in iraq, your companies getting contracts to rebuild?

From: [-jesus-]
It was around 2.9-3k people who died I believe. & the links the guy in that vid tries to put together are so far fetched he should go fuck himself, I managed to watch maybe 20 mins of the vid before closing(skipping thru a few sections to try & see the whole movie too).

Oh, Oh! I just thought of how the gov did 9/11!!! They used Roflcopters!!!!11111

OMFG not the roflcopters!!!!

Okay, this vid is absolutely rediculous to me.

1. There is no good reason for our government to do that
2. Why would all the liberal media (who hates President Bush) keep it under wraps?
3. Why would flight 93 happen?
4. What about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c vid? looks pretty damn clear to me.
5. The backdrops on 75% of the videos make it almost impossible to see the plane.
6. The shots where you cannot see the wings are at angles where they blend in with the plane, if you remember the plane was kinda tilted when it hit the WTC

From: djcheater
hmm your arms companies arent, all the money ur making in iraq, your companies getting contracts to rebuild?

Sorry, let me rephrase that:

The economy of the USA got fucked as a result of the "War against Terrorism."

Haha wow threads like these always seem to be popular.
And just happen's that I know alot on this subject, I believe that the U.S. Government was behind it.

Ok ok here I go..



Someone asked "why", did they do it?

Controlling Interests
The World Trade Center complex came under the control of a private owner for the first time only in mid-2001, having been built and managed by the Port Authority as a public resource. The complex was leased to a partnership of Silverstein Properties and Westfield America. The new controllers acquired a handsome insurance policy for the complex including a clause that would prove extremely valuable: in the event of a terrorist attack, the partnership could collect the insured value of the property, and be released from their obligations under the 99-year lease.

On April 26 of 2001 the Board of Commissioners for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey awarded Silverstein Properties and mall-owner Westfield America a 99-year-lease on the following assets: The Twin Towers, World Trade Center Buildings 4 and 5, two 9-story office buildings, and 400,000 square feet of retail space.

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million US Dollars.

After the attack, Silverstein Properties commenced litigation against its insurers, claiming it was entitled to twice the insurance policies' value because, according to a spokesman for Mr. Silverstein, "the two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate 'occurrences' for insurance purposes, entitling him to collect twice on $3.6 billion of policies." This was reported in the Bloomberg News less than one month after the attack.

To put these events in perspective, imagine that a person leases an expensive house, and immediately takes out an insurance policy covering the entire value of the house and specifically covering bomb attacks. Six weeks later two bombs go off in the house, separated by an hour. The house burns down, and the lessor immediately sues the insurance company to pay him twice the value of the house, and ultimately wins. The lessor also gets the city to dispose of the wreckage, excavate the site, and help him build a new house on the site.


What happened to the people on the planes?

First off, theres a doubt they were even real planes.
The excellent study of the 9/11 footage proves that the planes shown to us on TV defied light physics and remained illuminated in areas where they should have had shadows casted upon them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJL91tfFJ9Q


But I believe that there were planes Involved.
So this is what I believed happened.

The Hijackers of the Planes were not at a level capable of what was accomplished on 9/11. This is really the major evidence. Under pressure, we are supposed to believe Amateur Pilots were able to hit the target dead on like that?

Supposed Hijacker Hani Hanjour moves from Florida to the San Francisco Bay area in California, staying with an unidentified family. He lives with them from late April to early September. For most of this time he takes English lessons in an intensive program requiring 30 hours of class time per week, at the ELS Language Center at Holy Names College in Oakland. He reportedly reaches a level of proficiency sufficient to “survive well in the English language.” Yet in 2001, managers at an Arizona flight school will report him to the FAA at least five times, partly because they think his level of English is inadequate for him to keep his pilot’s license. Due to his poor English, it will take Hanjour five hours to complete an oral exam meant to last just two hours (see January-February 2001). At the end of this period, Hanjour enrolls on a rigorous one-year flight training program at the renowned Sierra Academy of Aeronautics, in Oakland. He took several small test flights in a small Cessna Aircraft with our Instructor, but failed because his Piloting Skill were way below average. However, he attended the 30-minute orientation class, on September 8, and then never returns.

The video of the aircraft hitting the Pentagon - well, no real evidence there. The Hotel across the road - video evidence taken and never returned - this would solve the mystery entire! Why the secrecy?

We all should know that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. There were no imprints where wings / engines should have hit and there was no sign of an aircraft in the wreckage inside. The 'aircraft' also happened to conveniently hit the vacated area of the Pentagon that was undergoing construction.



The WTC Buildings were shut down the weekend prior to 9/11 for 24-28 hours while supposedly "their electrical systems were being updated". Admittedly, anyone and anything could have entered the buildings at that time. Also at the same time, all bomb sniffing dogs / security guards, were evacuated from the building because of a "Bomb Drill", and were told that they were not needed to return to work until the electrical systems were updated.

Troubling questions arose about the alleged pilot-hijackers of the four aircraft, who were supposedly trained on Cessna aircraft over the past year at fields in Florida and Oklahoma. One General officer remarked, "I seriously question whether these novices could have located a target dead-on 200 miles removed from takeoff point… much less controlled
the flight and mastered the intricacies of 11FR (instrument flight rules) – and all accomplished in 45 minutes."
The extremely skillful maneuvering of the three aircraft at near mach speeds, each unerringly hitting their targets, was superb. As one Air Force officer – a veteran of over 100 sorties over North Vietnam – explained, "Those birds (commercial airliners) either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote
control."

"We were totally trained on the old type of hijack," Capt Hill said, "where you treat the hijacker cordially, punch a 4-digit code into your transponder to alert ground control you're being hijacked, and then get him where he wants to go, set the plane safely on the ground and let them deal with it on the ground. However, this is a totally new situation… Not one of the planes alerted ground control that they were being hijacked." How come?
"The fact is, all the transponders were turned off on the doomed flights virtually at the same time." Look at their departure times – two from Logan (Boston), one from Newark, another from Dulles (Washington DC) – all between 8 am and 8:15 am. Shortly after climb-out to flight level, their transponders are de-activated.. (they are no longer a blip on the radar screens). This is something that really needs to be looked into. The only reason we turn them off is so they don't interfere with ground systems when we land." (Note: Transponders identify a particular aircraft in flight on the
radar screens of FAA flight controllers located throughout the country. Various codes are punched into the transponder, one displaying, "I am being hijacked.")

Hill said: "Even if I had a gun at my head, I'd never fly a plane into a building. I'd try to put it in anywhere – a field or a river –and I'd be scaring the hell out of them (the hijackers) by flying upside down first," Hill said. In fact, the pilot has the best weapon in his hand when threatened with imminent death by a hijacker, namely, the airplane.
Another airline pilot stated. "On hearing a major scuffle in the cabin, the pilot should have inverted the aircraft and the hijackers end up with broken necks." That none of the four pilots executed such a maneuver points toward the
fact that none of them had control of their aircraft, but had been overridden by an outside force, which was flying them by remote control.

No one will ever know what really happened to the people on those aircraft,
Some believe that they were evacuated into an old abandoned NASA research lab, and killed.


R0b0t1: The high octane fuel being used to power jets is quite capable of the damage that was caused. Also, the structural damage is what actually caused the buildings to collapse, so just shut up.

I have a tonne of evidence to prove your wrong. :p

The collapse of both World Trade Center towers — and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later — initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTC's structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes. That explanation hasn't swayed conspiracy theorists, who contend that all three buildings were wired with explosives in advance and razed in a series of controlled demolitions.

Claim: The first hijacked plane crashed through the 94th to the 98th floors of the World Trade Center's 110-story North Tower; the second jet slammed into the 78th to the 84th floors of the 110-story South Tower. The impact and ensuing fires disrupted elevator service in both buildings. Plus, the lobbies of both buildings were visibly damaged before the towers collapsed. "There is NO WAY the impact of the jet caused such widespread damage 80 stories below," claims by a firefighter on site. "It is OBVIOUS and irrefutable that OTHER EXPLOSIVES (… such as concussion bombs) HAD ALREADY BEEN DETONATED in the lower levels of tower one at the same time as the plane crash."

Jet fuel burns at 600° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt high-grade building steel at 2750°F.


Anyway this took me ages to do, But this video explains it ALL.
This video is the video of all 9/11 videos, if you watch the whole thing, I'm 90% sure that you will believe it was the U.S. Government.

Take a look: 9/11 Cover Up


Thanks,
TurboBk. :)

well whoever done it REAL people died that day so respect that!

From: turbobk


Take a look: 9/11 Cover Up


Thanks,
TurboBk. :)

Well explained.

Turbo well said. Beter than half the people here coulda put it

The moon is made of cheese. I can prove it, you see I get hungry and eat it and it shrinks in size, then I milk a cow and put it back and it grows. The government is hiding it so people in Africa starve!

From: lakerzz8
The moon is made of cheese. I can prove it, you see I get hungry and eat it and it shrinks in size, then I milk a cow and put it back and it grows. The government is hiding it so people in Africa starve!

This is a serious thread, if you want to be a smart ass please take it else where,
If you have nothing useful to say, then say nothing at all.

I think this hoax can be plausible, Us government could have used the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to putting on that USA patriot act. (taking certain human rights away from "suspected people") but well like others saying its a 9/11 a hoax would be just absurd.

So my opinion would be… its a hoax cause, you can't just say out of no where that your talking someones rights away. International Laws would be against the US if they were to do that. But international laws could be avoided by having a valid reason. The best thing to blame 9/11 on, would be its enemies. How did they hijack the plane, best thing to blame is the airliners for having no security.

oil!

From: turbobk
Yet in 2001, managers at an Arizona flight school will report him to the FAA at least five times, partly because they think his level of English is inadequate for him to keep his pilot’s license.

I've yet to finish reading your post, however part of that 5 (citation where you found that?) was also due to him not caring to learn how to land planes..

This is aimed at the missile theories of the first page.

Do you claim that after the crash, traces of a plane were gone? Planes don't just dissapear, there was fucking half of a plane sticking out of the tower…

I don't even understand why do people have to think of always more incredible conspiracy theories, is it because those people are just about to mentally crash because of horribility of the incident?

Also, what's the big deal about if there were other explosives too? You god damn plan an attack like that, and I'll give my pure to the member being able to prove, that the hijackers wanted a free flight to Canary, but they were poor so they decided to hijack a plane, then, when they were in air, one guy that was really pissed because his friend stuffed a banana in his ass and he couldn't use the plane bathroom without the banana going deeper when he sits down to have acrap, knocks out all the other guys, turns the plane around, and pics a random target that happened to be World Trade Center.


I don't claim the missile videos are fake, but all of that missile explosion is just a small circular flash, size of around one window, and missiles have different use than flashlights.

From: sk8terbitu
it was not planes it was started because the goverment needed a logical way to start a war there is more behind the war i think this whole terroest thing is bs we are over there looking for something and its not bin laden….. there is more that the govarment is hiding…

Thank you at least somene knows whats going on here ad is willing to back me up.

From: n3ss3s
This is aimed at the missile theories of the first page.

Do you claim that after the crash, traces of a plane were gone? Planes don't just dissapear, there was fucking half of a plane sticking out of the tower…

I don't even understand why do people have to think of always more incredible conspiracy theories, is it because those people are just about to mentally crash because of horribility of the incident?

Also, what's the big deal about if there were other explosives too? You god damn plan an attack like that, and I'll give my pure to the member being able to prove, that the hijackers wanted a free flight to Canary, but they were poor so they decided to hijack a plane, then, when they were in air, one guy that was really pissed because his friend stuffed a banana in his ass and he couldn't use the plane bathroom without the banana going deeper when he sits down to have acrap, knocks out all the other guys, turns the plane around, and pics a random target that happened to be World Trade Center.


I don't claim the missile videos are fake, but all of that missile explosion is just a small circular flash, size of around one window, and missiles have different use than flashlights.

I know the planes hit the tower just some idiot said that i was talking about the wtc. When I was talking about the pentagon.

Planes hit the towers, a missile hit the pentagon

the people suspected of hijacking the planes, actually didnt have any plane experience, liscense (i forget where i read that)

Osama is in his million dollar suite in Beverly Hills. (my theory :p )

The people in the "Plane" that hit the pentagon that died, where are the families and friends??? the phone calls to loved ones that say their plane was hijacked??? and i always hear about peoples family members and aquantences(sp?) that hit the tower, NEVER the pentagon.

this "plane" that hit the pentagon went 5(dont remember) layers deep into the pentagon.

flight 93, in the video, buried itself into the ground and burned up alot of the plane, i dont see why the government would randomly drop a missile there AND if it was a missile it would have singed the grass around it? mabye even the trees…

the government did it so theyd have an excuse to go to the middle east and take over oil rigs. why do you think the US has the cheapest gas prices in the world..

From: josh81193
why do you think the US has the cheapest gas prices in the world..

Saudi Arabia actually has the cheapest gas ;) It's less than $1 per gallon I believe.

From: [-jesus-]
Saudi Arabia actually has the cheapest gas ;) It's less than $1 per gallon I believe.

oh oops, yeah. way to leave out the obvious ;P
my theory still makes sense :O

There is no way that the government could hide the fact the missiles were used….there were hundreds if not THOUSANDS of witnesses that SAW a PLANE crash into the buildings….

AND….IF there was any video evidence of a missile hitting it, the government would not be able to keep the news from showing it because the station that aired it would make A LOT of money from having the exclusive…

How old are the people that think there is a conspiracy? Just wondering…

From: [-jesus-]
Saudi Arabia actually has the cheapest gas ;) It's less than $1 per gallon I believe.

Its 15 cents a gallon in Venezuela ;).

@brian. Im positive it was some kind of planes that hit the towers. But the pentagon, im not to sure. And I havent seen a live video that shows an airplane hitting the pentagon.

From: kingarabian
. And I havent seen a live video that shows an airplane hitting the pentagon.

because the FBI confiscated them… :|

From: kingarabian
Its 15 cents a gallon in Venezuela ;).

Saudi Arabia has higher quality crude oil ;)

& as far as the Pentagon being hit, that is the only one I believe could have been a missle, since there were no vids of it being hit until in like 2006/2007 when a video from a command post or w/e outside of it saw the plane come in (at an almost perfect angle also, looked like it was fucking landing as if there wasnt even a building there luls).

From: kingarabian

@brian. Im positive it was some kind of planes that hit the towers. But the pentagon, im not to sure. And I havent seen a live video that shows an airplane hitting the pentagon.

So are you saying it was the government? (that hit the pentagon)
if so: you must be saying that they were sitting around and saw the planes hit the WTC, and they were like…"I gots me a ID-er! lets us hit that them thar pentygone with a flyin missail!"?

From: Brain
So are you saying it was the government? (that hit the pentagon)
if so: you must be saying that they were sitting around and saw the planes hit the WTC, and they were like…"I gots me a ID-er! lets us hit that them thar pentygone with a flyin missail!"?

You impersonate George Bush so well!!:D

You don't need to completely melt a metal to make it weak. The fact that the jet fuel was at least half of its melting temperature means it can at least soften it a great deal.

There is obviously money involved here. This is the stupid part – you can prove anything both ways. Obviously there will be no answer here unless somebody has a gun held to their head.


EDIT: That picture with the plane 'projection' isn't very trustworthy… ICBBTE

Planes? IT WAS FLYING FISHING POLES!
nobody belives me…

EDIT: No, wtf am I talkign about, it was [-jesus-]'s roflcopter1!!11!

so why haven't they released a video of the pentagon crash? just one clip would prove it!

Butterfly's blew up the twin towers..

Seriously, what is this for crap stuff?

You don't need to completely melt a metal to make it weak. The fact that the jet fuel was at least half of its melting temperature means it can at least soften it a great deal.

There is obviously money involved here. This is the stupid part – you can prove anything both ways. Obviously there will be no answer here unless somebody has a gun held to their head.

From: mastaraymond
Butterfly's blew up the twin towers..

Seriously, what is this for crap stuff?

to be honest, i dont believe 99% of the video. LOL

except from the helicopter shot when there was no plane, then it zoomed in and appeared to come from nowhere, that was kinda weird.

im trying to not make this sound like spam or anything but, this message is to the creator of this thread and people that agree with him..I hate you.

Why? Because this is complete anti-american bullshit…seriously dont be confused by this garbage lmao. how could the government convince the media??? THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL AS FUCK AND HATES BUSH…THREAD CLOSED

From: wazzzup
THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL AS FUCK AND HATES BUSH…THREAD CLOSED

well, he is kinda the president of the united states. he has guns, and money. i could see why they would do what he says ;)

From: djcheater
so why haven't they released a video of the pentagon crash? just one clip would prove it!

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttackCctvVideo.shtml

Looks like a missile IMO, isn't colored like a plain/doesnt look like the nose of one..

well, he is kinda the president of the united states. he has guns, and money. i could see why they would do what he says

umm josh im pretty sure u just quoted me on like a 1/5th of what i said did u read it all? -.-

From: wazzzup
umm josh im pretty sure u just quoted me on like a 1/5th of what i said did u read it all? -.-

yes i did. but i only wanted to comment on that part :p

From: wazzzup
im trying to not make this sound like spam or anything but, this message is to the creator of this thread and people that agree with him..I hate you.

Why? Because this is complete anti-american bullshit…seriously dont be confused by this garbage lmao. how could the government convince the media??? THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL AS FUCK AND HATES BUSH…THREAD CLOSED

Are you okay? Did you care to read turbo's and some other peoples posts?

all of this is absolutely the largest pile pile of shit i have ever seen. To all you conspiracy theorists out there, i left more sense floating in the toilet this morning.

1) There were planes that were hijacked that day. Don't believe me, how about all those phone conversations that people had with loved ones from the plane?

2) It is very obvious in all clips shown that a plane hits the world trade centers. You guys can throw out all your hippy bullshit about how it is edited and not real, shut the hell up.

3) The Pentagon? hit by their own missle? your kidding right…Brilliant idea guys, lets just try to start a war by TRYING TO FUCKING KILL EVERY GENERAL IN THE ARMY. Jesus christ.

4) How can you believe that your own government (or leader of the free world if your not American) would kill it's own civilians? If you are an American and believe this, just get out nobody wants you here.

From: WithoutFear

4) How can you believe that your own government (or leader of the free world if your not American) would kill it's own civilians? If you are an American and believe this, just get out nobody wants you here.

HAHAH! I seriously lawled at that. You actually believe that Bush is the leader of the free world? I believe that you sir are one of the reasons that half of the world thinks that Americans are retarded.

Edit: I changed parts of my sentence at the risk of being as retarded as the post above mine.

From: 3Garrett3
HAHAH! I seriously lawled at that. You actually believe that Bush is the leader of the free world? I believe that you sir are one of the reasons that half of the world thinks that Americans are retarded.

Edit: I changed parts of my sentence at the risk of being as retarded as the post above mine.

i am not talking about Bush…i'm talking about America as a whole. The non-stereotypical American. The Amercians that can locate the middle east on the map and understand the issues. I'm sure many outside of the states are always hearing about the stupidity, laziness, of every American. This is simply not true. I do not agree with Bush, i do not believe that what he is currently doing is right. For example, your Canadian right? So essentially your a maple syrup drinking icicle who lives in an igloo and hunts for seal? I assume i am way off, but i'm not far off what many Americans think of you. Just some food for thought.

Maybe being the unquestionable free-leader of the ruler went to far. What i meant to get across was that our form of government was the first of it's kind. It revolutionized modern society. It was the first government voted by the people with people who could question the government. Now that is freedom, is it not? So maybe we aren't the unquestionable leaders, but we surely got the ball rolling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0

'Nuff said :)

From: Opal Tasty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0

'Nuff said :)

i hope that is a joke…because i'm having some trouble believing Bin Laden was a CIA operative getting paid millions. I must concede the fact that we did fund Al Qaeda back when Russia invaded Afghanistan and we gave the Afghans a ton of weapons… :duh: …mainly it sounds like some rappers are pissed because the justice system indicted them on drugs charges

Also a very derogatory video

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/may/14/cherieblair

From: WithoutFear
all of this is absolutely the largest pile pile of shit i have ever seen. To all you conspiracy theorists out there, i left more sense floating in the toilet this morning.

1) There were planes that were hijacked that day. Don't believe me, how about all those phone conversations that people had with loved ones from the plane?

2) It is very obvious in all clips shown that a plane hits the world trade centers. You guys can throw out all your hippy bullshit about how it is edited and not real, shut the hell up.

3) The Pentagon? hit by their own missle? your kidding right…Brilliant idea guys, lets just try to start a war by TRYING TO FUCKING KILL EVERY GENERAL IN THE ARMY. Jesus christ.

4) How can you believe that your own government (or leader of the free world if your not American) would kill it's own civilians? If you are an American and believe this, just get out nobody wants you here.

We are not talking about the planes we all saw that horrible footage of the towers we are on about the petagon,

4)

They could of just moved there top staff out.

Once you have finished with iraq it will be iran, your country is

hated everywhere just go to the middle east and europe and you wll get my drift.



,will at least now you have plenty of oil and a staging post for a attack against iran.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/may/14/cherieblair

From: WithoutFear
all of this is absolutely the largest pile pile of shit i have ever seen. To all you conspiracy theorists out there, i left more sense floating in the toilet this morning.

1) There were planes that were hijacked that day. Don't believe me, how about all those phone conversations that people had with loved ones from the plane?

2) It is very obvious in all clips shown that a plane hits the world trade centers. You guys can throw out all your hippy bullshit about how it is edited and not real, shut the hell up.

3) The Pentagon? hit by their own missle? your kidding right…Brilliant idea guys, lets just try to start a war by TRYING TO FUCKING KILL EVERY GENERAL IN THE ARMY. Jesus christ.

4) How can you believe that your own government (or leader of the free world if your not American) would kill it's own civilians? If you are an American and believe this, just get out nobody wants you here.

We are not talking about the planes we all saw that horrible footage of the towers we are on about the petagon,

4)

They could of just moved there top staff out.

Once you have finished with iraq it will be iran, your country is

hated everywhere just go to the middle east and europe and you wll get my drift.



,will at least now you have plenty of oil and a staging post for a attack against iran.

http://www.oilempire.us/

guys there was no missiles missiles make lots of noise and you would see a missile plunge into a building it probably wasn't the government but apparently George bush told everyone to get off the planes(ppl in the "system") oh and i'm Australian and even i know bush isn't stupid enough to shoot a missile into the pentagon but George bush is a Fuckin tool and the new PPL are dumb john McCain is a tool so what if u are a POW? doesn't mean you can run a country and Barack obama is just shithouse

[QUOTE=OLDSCHOOLMACRO'ER;462680]George bush is a Fuckin tool and the new PPL are dumb john McCain is a tool so what if u are a POW?[/QUOTE]

If you're going to say stuff like that, you're going to need at least a little bit of explanation.

Big event + paranoid idiots with too much time in their hands = lousy conspiracy theories.

Due to new info, I'm supporting that a plane did in fact hit the Pentagon:


Now, the area which was hit by American Airlines Flight 77 was, comparing with the fire trucks in this picture, was over 50, maybe even 100+ feet wide (Based off the average fire truck being 30 ft in length). The entire wingspan of a Boeing 757-200 commercial airliner is 124 ft. 10 in., the Interior Cabin Width however is only 11 ft. 7 in.*citation, approximating that the engines are say, 20-30 feet away from the cabin of the plane, this would make the main area of impact about 50-70 ft. wide which would fit within the 50-100+ damage area mentioned earlier.

As far as the plane having a 124 ft. wingspan, being as how The Pentagon has reinforced concrete walls, they would have been able to sustain the impact from the end wings of American Airlines Flight 77 and limited the amount of widespread damage outside the immediate crash area or the cabin and engines.

Finally, if you are asking still "Why did the roof collapse like that?", the fact that The Pentagon had been made of the reinforced concrete worked against firefighters trying to put out the fires caused by the crash, they could not break through the roof because it was just a solid layer of concrete, and therefore couldn't "battle the blaze" from multiple places, instead had to go in one position and have firefighters go inside the building but they couldn't stay in for long due to their oxygen supply running out quickly, which made the overall fighting of the fire take over a day to complete, the fires inside weakened the structures integrity which made the pillars collapse.



Another picture for comparison of a fire truck with the collapsed area of The Pentagon: here, that appears maybe 50-60 feet in length..
But then again, it could have just been a Roflcopter all along!

yeah that conspiracy shit is complete retard talk lol …its nothing but extreme left wing lies. Democrats hate the fact bush is in office and want his rating to go down thats all it is. get over the past dumb asses it happened 7 years ago

From: wazzzup
yeah that conspiracy shit is complete retard talk lol …its nothing but extreme left wing lies. Democrats hate the fact bush is in office and want his rating to go down thats all it is. get over the past dumb asses it happened 7 years ago

doesnt matter if it was 7 years ago. there are conspiracy theorists who think the kennedy assassination was rigged also.

edit* if you believed your own country was bombed by its own government, wouldnt you like to tell everyone?

From: josh81193
edit* if you believed your own country was bombed by its own government, wouldnt you like to tell everyone?

Actually, no. I'd be afraid of sounding like an idiot.

From: bullzeye95
Actually, no. I'd be afraid of sounding like an idiot.

count it

I am making this post without the time to read all the previous posts besides a select few:

Im not saying it was a conspiracy one way or the other, but it really pisses me off when people say shit like, "Why would the government do that to its own citizens?", "It makes no sense!!", "Conspiracy theorists are stupid because I can't cope with the possibility of my government doing bad things!"

You know what? The government has the power to do whatever the hell it wants to do without the population knowing about it. Why? It is because they DO have the INTELLIGENCE and the SKILL to keep the masses blind, patriotic, and distracted. How? The media. The majority of the nation just eats up the mainstream media bullshit. It sickens me to how much everyone relies on the big time news stations to hear what they NEED to hear instead of the truth.

Dont get me wrong… the media does produce many stories that are based behind truth and those that are 100% true. But that does not excuse the fact the the government has the power to twist what the media will put out into their stories. Besides the media will do their own twisting of the stories in order to get RATINGS versus actually getting truth.

You cannot tell me that the government doesnt have the power and skill to pull this off. You can offer no proof to me saying that they dont.

However I do not see enough proof to blame the government for the 9/11 attack either… the "proof" is very shady and half assed. The theorists do bring up some good points though. Enough points to get me to wonder what REALLY happened versus what was FED to us. But not enough to have me pick a side and cling to it.

Whatever helps you sleep at night people… if you cant sleep with the possibility of a corrupt government, then go on following the herd of sheep of what is become America.

And on another note, to whomever said, "everyone who believes the conspiracy theory isnt wanted in America and should get the hell out." All I have to say to that is that you have some strong American ideals… people have the FREEDOM to believe WHATEVER they want to believe. The fact that you would even say something like that makes you more un-American than a conspiracy theorist.

you are correct that they can believe whatever they want to believe. But why are they in America if they think their own government made an attack on civilians? I want them out, that is my personal opinion (and i still have the right to think that). I don't see how that statement is unpatriotic. I want those people to leave, plain and simple. It isn't that i'm forcing them too, but i'm stating my opinion. That's America.

From: WithoutFear
you are correct that they can believe whatever they want to believe. But why are they in America if they think their own government made an attack on civilians? I want them out, that is my personal opinion (and i still have the right to think that). I don't see how that statement is unpatriotic. I want those people to leave, plain and simple. It isn't that i'm forcing them too, but i'm stating my opinion. That's America.

Yeah and I want the government out for not telling the truth about 9/11. Oh yea…from looking at your posts, you seriously need to watch Fahrenheit 9/11. But thats your choice.

@ jesus, im pretty sure 100% positive, that it was the rofl copters.

From: kingarabian
Yeah and I want the government out for not telling the truth about 9/11. Oh yea…from looking at your posts, you seriously need to watch Fahrenheit 9/11. But thats your choice.

@ jesus, im pretty sure 100% positive, that it was the rofl copters.

you can want the government out…but wouldn't it be easier for you to just leave? most of you hate the government, bush administration, etc..but you guys have no idea how good you have it. While your crying about your "injustices" there are 5,000 kids a day dying from malnutrition. 10s of millions of children are orphans from aids. Over half of Africans live on less than a dollar a day.

Let me guess. You came home from a school with air conditioning, desks, pencils, pens, paper, computers, and other modern items. You came home maybe grabbed a snack, went on the computer for awhile. Did your homework. Ate dinner…went to bed in a comfortable bed in a nice house with running water and electricity.

Count yourself blessed that you live in a democratic country. Without the government that we have what your average day entails could be dramatically different. Just think, while your complaining about how the government sucks, and while your not really doing anything to change it but just whining, think about how fortunate you are.

Edit: if you want to get rid of the government…go ahead, but i will with all my power attempt to stop you…because this country has been blessed with a political system (with all it's faults) that allowed us to prosper as we have prospered today

From: WithoutFear
you can want the government out…but wouldn't it be easier for you to just leave? most of you hate the government, bush administration, etc..but you guys have no idea how good you have it. While your crying about your "injustices" there are 5,000 kids a day dying from malnutrition. 10s of millions of children are orphans from aids. Over half of Africans live on less than a dollar a day.

Let me guess. You came home from a school with air conditioning, desks, pencils, pens, paper, computers, and other modern items. You came home maybe grabbed a snack, went on the computer for awhile. Did your homework. Ate dinner…went to bed in a comfortable bed in a nice house with running water and electricity.

Count yourself blessed that you live in a democratic country. Without the government that we have what your average day entails could be dramatically different. Just think, while your complaining about how the government sucks, and while your not really doing anything to change it but just whining, think about how fortunate you are.

Edit: if you want to get rid of the government…go ahead, but i will with all my power attempt to stop you…because this country has been blessed with a political system (with all it's faults) that allowed us to prosper as we have prospered today

I liked america alot in the 1990-2002. But now? I dont think so. I know we dont have alot of hunger going around in the U.S, but we do have a shit load of homeless. We have alot of bankruptcies. But why is this? Because the government made everything hard with all these wars. They take a chunk of your money (taxes). Say your single and make 1m a year, there goes 35% of it. Inflatation pls? 4.40 cents for a gallon of gas pls? Gold prices went 10 bucks in 2000-2003 time to 37 bucks. Economy failing pls? And after all these things were supposed to be happy with the government?

i tihnk thats rediculous, very believable video, I watched it and it really makes ya think, take it as what you want but i found that the part where it zooms out and theres no plane in the picture before hand makes me think something is fishy, haha but what hte hell do i know XD

From: WithoutFear
you can want the government out…but wouldn't it be easier for you to just leave? most of you hate the government, bush administration, etc..but you guys have no idea how good you have it. While your crying about your "injustices" there are 5,000 kids a day dying from malnutrition. 10s of millions of children are orphans from aids. Over half of Africans live on less than a dollar a day.

Let me guess. You came home from a school with air conditioning, desks, pencils, pens, paper, computers, and other modern items. You came home maybe grabbed a snack, went on the computer for awhile. Did your homework. Ate dinner…went to bed in a comfortable bed in a nice house with running water and electricity.

Count yourself blessed that you live in a democratic country. Without the government that we have what your average day entails could be dramatically different. Just think, while your complaining about how the government sucks, and while your not really doing anything to change it but just whining, think about how fortunate you are.

Edit: if you want to get rid of the government…go ahead, but i will with all my power attempt to stop you…because this country has been blessed with a political system (with all it's faults) that allowed us to prosper as we have prospered today

I agree with you 100%. However, you have to realize that people in America will (including me and you) will always find something to complain about. It is our culture. I am so fortunate of my situation compared to some around the world.

However it sickens me when corrupt politicians (not government) blind the nation with patriotic messages of "Bringing peace and democracy to the rest of the world", while using those messages for their own personal gains. The fact that Bush LIED about the knowledge of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and NEVER came forward to apologize for his MISTAKE disgusts me. In my opinion, if you fuck up… you admit to it. Not blame and change the subject and continue with your war.

Americans are dying for that mistake. I do agree that Saddam was a horrible man and that he deserved to die. I agree that the Iraqi people needed to be liberated from unjust rule. I DO NOT agree with America's decision to invade them based on these things without the knowledge of weapons of mass destruction.

You can believe what you want, but the real reason we went into Iraq was to secure oil.

Frankly, I am not proud to be an American during these recent years.

Okay, i cant remember who said it and am too lazy to back up and quote, but ya'll were talking about you were questioning if the pentagon was hit.

1. Coincidence? It happened on the same day as the terrorist attacks on the world trade center, and you say that the WTC attacks are legitamate…

2. Once again, why? The single attack of the pentagon wouldnt encite a war like this one (I dont believe)

3. Was the 1993 attack legitamate?

From: gerauchert
I agree with you 100%. However, you have to realize that people in America will (including me and you) will always find something to complain about. It is our culture. I am so fortunate of my situation compared to some around the world.

However it sickens me when corrupt politicians (not government) blind the nation with patriotic messages of "Bringing peace and democracy to the rest of the world", while using those messages for their own personal gains. The fact that Bush LIED about the knowledge of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and NEVER came forward to apologize for his MISTAKE disgusts me. In my opinion, if you fuck up… you admit to it. Not blame and change the subject and continue with your war.

Americans are dying for that mistake. I do agree that Saddam was a horrible man and that he deserved to die. I agree that the Iraqi people needed to be liberated from unjust rule. I DO NOT agree with America's decision to invade them based on these things without the knowledge of weapons of mass destruction.

You can believe what you want, but the real reason we went into Iraq was to secure oil.

Frankly, I am not proud to be an American during these recent years.

i agree…I liked how Bush handled 9/11 and it's aftermath. The original invasion of Iraq i thought was important. Many of us do not know (this is Americans and non-american's alike) that after the gulf war we set up a no-flight zone in the northern mountain regions of Iraq, where many Shiites lived. Saddam would regularly send chemical warheads into the mountains with the excuse "I no violate no-fly zooone…meesile did. I don know how eet appened". Yes, we did they think they had weapons of mass destruction, and you are correct they didn't have any. I agree that Bush is mishandled the entire situation in the middle east since late 2004-2005 and do not agree with his current standings. But i am still proud to be an American, and our ideals, even if i do not agree with our president.

From: kingarabian
Yeah and I want the government out for not telling the truth about 9/11. Oh yea…from looking at your posts, you seriously need to watch Fahrenheit 9/11. But thats your choice.

@ jesus, im pretty sure 100% positive, that it was the rofl copters.

From looking at your posts you need to watch Fahrenheit 9/11? WTF does that mean lol? But Michael Moore is a complete moron so you can take that movie with a a grain of salt.

As some people have said about the media controlling everything is correct. They controlled now everyones opinions that Bush and Iraq completely fails. Thats what the media is pumping into everyones brains. Whens the last time you heard something successful about the war on the news? Like never. Does that mean successful things dont happen? No its just the media doesnt care to report it. If you went and spent some time over in Iraq and actually somehow could understand the different operations that are going on, your opinions would change like that. Sure i want the troops to come home, but you cant just yank them out of there like idiot left wingers want too. Think war is a waste of money? Pulling out all troops within the next 6 months would definitely make the war a waste of money. The US has a military presence in more countries than anyone can think of. Iraq shouldnt be any different, add a little more presence since the country is so unstable.

From: nobody u kno
From looking at your posts you need to watch Fahrenheit 9/11? WTF does that mean lol? But Michael Moore is a complete moron so you can take that movie with a a grain of salt.

As some people have said about the media controlling everything is correct. They controlled now everyones opinions that Bush and Iraq completely fails. Thats what the media is pumping into everyones brains. Whens the last time you heard something successful about the war on the news? Like never. Does that mean successful things dont happen? No its just the media doesnt care to report it. If you went and spent some time over in Iraq and actually somehow could understand the different operations that are going on, your opinions would change like that. Sure i want the troops to come home, but you cant just yank them out of there like idiot left wingers want too. Think war is a waste of money? Pulling out all troops within the next 6 months would definitely make the war a waste of money. The US has a military presence in more countries than anyone can think of. Iraq shouldnt be any different, add a little more presence since the country is so unstable.

Pulling out now would be a waste of money. But can you put a value on human life? Now, Im not saying that they should immediately be pulled out, I am just saying that I dont agree with how to war was started and it has cost America the lives of thousands.

just keeping the thred alive people shuld be informed

From: sk8terbitu
just keeping the thred alive people shuld be informed

Slightly propaganda isnt this?

The hoax is still considered a theory and always will be. Proof will never arise to de-fame the American government. IMO I think 9/11 was a planned assault. I understand many will say why would a government do such a thing but just take Heroes as an example (series 1)

Killing the whole of New York is only 0.07% of the worlds population now the world can be "healed" I think this is what the Government thought…

From: pini3000
Slightly propaganda isnt this?

The hoax is still considered a theory and always will be. Proof will never arise to de-fame the American government. IMO I think 9/11 was a planned assault. I understand many will say why would a government do such a thing but just take Heroes as an example (series 1)

Killing the whole of New York is only 0.07% of the worlds population now the world can be "healed" I think this is what the Government thought…

Well trying not to take sides here but:

I understand that a government/corrupt politicians would do something like this.
However is it a coincidence that the WTC was legit and the pentagon looks like it was not? I don't know about the planning thing. I try to keep an open mind but I'm really not sure…

Cut em2 it

keep it alive!

From: mattlox 2
i still sick to what i say it was the goverment

From: mattlox 2
because they wanted war.

From: mattlox 2
oh well what ever i know it was the goverment rofl. and im tired im going to bed

You sound like the most piece of **** illiterate ******* ******* our country has. People are you are the reason we are like this right now. The government has a lot of hiding and things they do not wish to tell the public about: that is true. Using the WTC to invade a country? WRONG. Were America. We walk/talk like we can do whatever the **** we can, and if they wanted to invade, they would invade.
Now because your a stupid piece of illiterate ****, maybe this will be too hard for you to read.

I myself, as well as my brother are in the armed forces of America. He has gone "over there" and I have stayed more state-side (due to our respectable jobs in the military). My brother came home, believing what he was doing over there is right. There is no "brainwashing" there is no "********". He says yes, some of the **** over there is wrong, and unneeded, BUT he says he has freed children from terrorist camps, been into towns where no one could leave their home without a gun, and has seen terrorists on their front lawns making IEDs. "Over there" is pretty ****** up. You have no first-person view to any of your argument what-so-ever. You just read these websites (which by the way. Google says: Results 1 - 10 of about 934,000,000 for 9 11 conspiracy. (0.05 seconds). Not that hard to ******** a complete argument off 934 Million websites.

From: Hy71194
ROFL at your missile theory.
Was the planes that hit it.
Why would the US kill hundreds of thousands of people?

If it was missiles that took it down, what happened to 2 people who were on the planes that I had known?..answer that.

I express my sorrow to those of you that you knew on that day.

Now to talk about this missile theory. CAMERA'S CAN SHOT SHOOT AT 342342134211342134213421894213 FRAMNES PER SECOND. This simple known fact and 2 seconds of sitting down and watching those videos solves this conspiracy. Camera's shoot at an average: around 30 frames per second *citation* Now just by reading that citation, normally camera's used for television:

60i (actually 59.94, or 60 x 1000/1001 to be more precise; 60 interlaced fields = 29.97 frames) is the standard video field rate per second that has been used for NTSC television since 1941, whether from a broadcast signal, rented DVD, or home camcorder. (When NTSC color was introduced, the older rate of 60 fields per second was reduced by a factor of 1000/1001 to avoid interference between the chroma subcarrier and the broadcast sound carrier.)

29.97 frames per second.
Now lets look at a Boeing 737 moving at its speed before impact.

Mach 0.74 (485 mph, 780 km/h)

found here. Now we can talk about normal every-day physics. (I have background in this, having a degree in Aerospace Engineering with primary in aeronautics) A plane moving at a downward angle would be moving at faster than its maximum cruise speed due to passing its terminal velocity. Now weight has no issue in terminal velocity (in some simple physics equations, it is knocked out along with finding trajectory speed and angle of decent etc..) Obviously. Lets try and take a plane, moving at we'll say 485mph (as the quote/citation says) and lets shoot it with a camera at 30fps. Now a plane moving at the altitude it was, would obviously be moving faster than an aver 30fps.

From: sk8terbitu
it was not planes it was started because the goverment needed a logical way to start a war there is more behind the war i think this whole terroest thing is bs we are over there looking for something and its not bin laden….. there is more that the govarment is hiding…

From: sk8terbitu
we want war because oil, water, paranoid because the middle east is makeing bombs.
now you say wtf water well the middle east provides a majority of fresh water if you dident know.

Okay. Coming from a kid who has no citation or basis. Now let see, America has the 5 great lakes would supply a nice amount of water. READ THE GOD DAMN LABEL ON A WATER BOTTLE! I have never seen one come from anywhere in a Middle Eastern country. I don't know about you, but YES I AM PARANOID OF THE MIDDLE EAST MAKING BOMBS! Who the **** wouldn't be? If they have a bomb and it can virtually go anywhere across this planet, what power do you have? Now in-case "you dident know" you are a complete ******* moron, need to read a book, do some research, maybe even go to school? That sounds like a good option.

From: Waddo
actually government was in debt at the time and they got a hell of a lot of cash out of this

From: wazzzup
yeah that conspiracy shit is complete retard talk lol …its nothing but extreme left wing lies. Democrats hate the fact bush is in office and want his rating to go down thats all it is. get over the past dumb asses it happened 7 years ago

This happened 7 years ago, yes. Do you think Hy views it at "get over the past dumb ***** it happened 7 years ago"? He lost two significant people in his life during this incident, and for some ****-head like you comes along to say that, you deserve to either a) have you tongue cut off to stop this stupidity being spread or b) just die.


To sum all this up. What happened was real. It was a well-though out plan by someone who undoubtedly is of a higher intelligence. Yes, he is a terrorist and yes killed thousands of people, but obviously we need people with this theoretical intelligence skills to move this world forward, in a positive direction. This won't happen anytime soon. We also live in the world of Adobe AfterEffects. With this program, you can undoubtedly create any of those "flashes before impact" or the "helicopter shooting a missile" theory. By the way, no helicopter can hold a missile of that much power to blow away reinforced steel bars…Not even enough to melt it. Planes + fuel do however. I'm not going to cite that because its common to see that explosion and fuel create heat, and direct heat onto metal can create objects to bend and flex. Also after :google: a bit myself: more conspiracies of these men being alive AFTER the incident…How many people look a like? Thousands. Maybe Osama (or the direct leader of this) thought this out well planned enough to find twins and have them stay alive to CAUSE conspiracy. I belive this attack had a deeper meaning that just "blow up a building and kill some people". There is obviously more thought behind this and I believe led to this attack, which has caused insurmountable turmoil in this country.

Now that I need to take a shower, I am out. I invite anyone to counter argue this, I can come back with anything against what you said.

And yes, I wasted my time watching those 9/11 videos (both posted on here from Google Vids). So I am not arguing without see the others point of view.

From: sk8terbitu
it was not planes it was started because the goverment needed a logical way to start a war there is more behind the war i think this whole terroest thing is bs we are over there looking for something and its not bin laden….. there is more that the govarment is hiding…

It was not planes? i was on hoildays there and saw it from distance?

Some people here treat the government like UFOs…they abduct people while being very secretive about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhKbxNvgt54
Most important video in this whole thread.

From: A G E N T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhKbxNvgt54
Most important video in this whole thread.

Surprisingly, this video makes more sense than the original video posted in the OP.

[Admin]Please clean up the language in this thread. This is the only warning. There are a few people who I am speaking to specifically. They will know who they are because they have a lovely infraction notice in their inbox.

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Okay. Coming from a kid who has no citation or basis. Now let see, America has the 5 great lakes would supply a nice amount of water. READ THE GOD DAMN LABEL ON A WATER BOTTLE! I have never seen one come from anywhere in a Middle Eastern country. I don't know about you, but YES I AM PARANOID OF THE MIDDLE EAST MAKING BOMBS! Who the **** wouldn't be? If they have a bomb and it can virtually go anywhere across this planet, what power do you have? Now in-case "you dident know" you are a complete ******* moron, need to read a book, do some research, maybe even go to school? That sounds like a good o

You need to relax. Why cant the middle east make bombs? How come america can?

From: kingarabian
Why cant the middle east make bombs? How come america can?

its america, they are full of arrogance and double-standards.

Not sure if this was said before, but Maddox sums this up pretty well ;)

a 9-11 Hoax is just improbable. The only thing 9-11 brought us to was to war with Afganistan. Yes we went to war with Iraq, but it was much later. It was not a direct result of 9-11.

My great aunt and uncle had seen the terrorists before the attacks. My great aunt and uncle live down in Florida where the Terrorists had been, learning to fly planes. They had seen them at a number of occasions, not knowing that it was them until they had seen their faces on the Television. fyi. :-)

Yes, America is arrogant. But so are many other nations. :-)

-corn77

Wow if I never saw this I would have not known that the fox airplane crash was fake

From: kingarabian
You need to relax. Why cant the middle east make bombs? How come america can?

Mainly because America believes they should have control over all the weapons in the world, and to be honest it's actually probably a good idea considering the United States is a democracy and it's government is a system of checks and balances which is a lot more trust worthy than many other countries, which is why I agree with America thinking they should able to make bombs and other countries should not simply because there isn't really a need or reason for other countries to have them.

September 11, 2001, was no hoax, or a cove-rup, or a secret plan by the government.. it was the continuation of the conflict of evil extremists in the middle east and I'll have a lot of you know that video posted in the first post of this thread is just stupid speculation that has no actual proof or creditable information but rather granted deliberate false conspiracy made for the pure purpose of controversy. There were 4 known attackings that were to take place that day from 4 hijacked planes, 3 of which were sucessful. The US capital building, the pentagon, World trade center 1, and World trade center 2 were all to be crashed into, 2 world trade centers and pentagon were hit by planes, the one headed for the capital building crashed in the middle of a forest somewhere over Pennsylvania.

The only reason they found pieces of a plane in the World trade centers was because it was a large building that when hit by a plane large pieces of the plane got trapped under rubble and were kept from vaporizing from the highly flammable and explosive fuel used to power the planes, and at the Pentagon I almost laughed at that diagram of the plane places on the building where the plane would of hit it, for your information, that plane would not be exactly parallel with the ground, it would of come in at an angle, and seeing as the pentagon is a smaller building closer to the ground the plane would of completely vaporized on impact from the fuel combustion. The general thought that it was a missile is the most ignorant load of shit I've ever heard, even if the US government had sent a missile the pentagon would of been fucked up a lot worse than in that picture, for fucks sake the ground around the impact would of atleast been level rather than a whole that looks like it's from a fire ball smashing into the side.

Not only is his is one of the most Anti-American conspiracys I have ever come across, it is by far the most far fetched and unlikely.

Woohoo, a gravedigger revived this thread :/

From: A G E N T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhKbxNvgt54
Most important video in this whole thread.

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