Black Market Voting
n3ss3s
2008-08-20 12:57:46
The discussion about it was a great success, you can see it here -
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32017Now, unless staff has something against it, we'll vote for what would suit the best.
In my opinion, we should let everyone in the rank marginal do the same things at the Black Market,
* Selling Scripts
* Selling RuneScape Accounts
* Selling RuneScape Gp
* Selling RuneScape Membership pins.
Also, I think that there is no need for scripts to be 'approved', people can see themselves from the scripter and his possible previous scripts if he should buy or not from him.
Same goes for everything else, if someone's account selling thread looks somehow unsafe to you, don't buy, and I also hope that there will be no blaming people of fake pictures etc, although if many people think that the pictures are fake, posting that the thread creator should post better looking pictures would be appropriate.
Same concept for pins and gp, if you don't feel comfortable with the deal e.g that you'd have to go first but the guy seems untrustable, just don't do it.
Also, you can always ask people to do middlemening for your trade, and settle the possible payment with them.
I hope we'll get some progress here, so the main thing we are discussing in this thread is that will the black market be SRL Members and up, which in my opinion would be good, or then SSRL and up.
Markus
2008-08-20 14:12:59
Scripts: Yes
Accounts: No, why? Lots of hacked accounts and recovery and shit
GP: Maybe, only with MMs
Membership: Depends =/
Bobarkinator
2008-08-20 15:22:15
Scripts = yes, everything else no
mastaraymond
2008-08-21 01:38:41
SRL was always against this. I can't imagine why it wouldn't be now..
Markus
2008-08-21 03:16:21
From: EvilChicken!
Account sales, definitely. Login screen can show recovery status ect. so that wouldn't be a problem.
You know that you can ALWAYS recover an account, don't you?
Wizzup?
2008-08-21 04:25:04
From: mastaraymond
SRL was always against this. I can't imagine why it wouldn't be now..
Agreed. I don't think we need a black market. :)
The Claw
2008-08-21 05:12:08
From: mastaraymond
SRL was always against this. I can't imagine why it wouldn't be now..
Times change? Remember when we were all against reflection.
Yes to all
EvilChicken!
2008-08-21 07:59:50
Well, I change my opinion then.
Script sales: Yes.
Account sales: No.
Membership sales: Absolutely.
GP: Of course.
n3ss3s
2008-08-21 08:11:15
We can overrule accounts, ok.
Script sales I'd say definite yes, it even isn't a high risk.
Smartzkid
2008-08-21 10:17:36
Script sales: Yes, but (logically?) only members+ can sell scripts (anyone can buy). Gives people extra incentive to learn and become members. Plus, if someone doesn't have the skill to become a member, they shouldn't be selling scripts anyway.
I also vote for a SSRL black market where we can buy/sell anything. And I mean anything. PINs, accounts, armies, old motherboards, hacked cable boxes, A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G. I think you get my point..
I'd rather give one of you a good buy on something than sell it to some random person on eBay and lose half my profit anyways.
n3ss3s
2008-08-21 11:10:46
Sounds like a plan in my opinion :)
Bobarkinator
2008-08-21 16:22:40
From: Smartzkid
Script sales: Yes, but (logically?) only members+ can sell scripts (anyone can buy). Gives people extra incentive to learn and become members. Plus, if someone doesn't have the skill to become a member, they shouldn't be selling scripts anyway.
I also vote for a SSRL black market where we can buy/sell anything. And I mean anything. PINs, accounts, armies, old motherboards, hacked cable boxes, A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G. I think you get my point..
I'd rather give one of you a good buy on something than sell it to some random person on eBay and lose half my profit anyways.
I'll take that idea.
Sumilion
2008-08-21 17:10:56
Wasn't one of the main reasons we didn't allow any black marketing that Jagex will target us, with good reasons ?
I'm not sure.. script sales maybe, don't think we should do the rest, maybe SSRL only.
Bam Bam
2008-08-21 19:53:47
Approved scripts only I would be "ok" with.
And I'm for the sale of phone pins only
Edit: Reading more after posting I like the SSRL+ idea for everything other than approved scripts better. We should all be able to trust each other in here anyways.
mastaraymond
2008-08-21 21:10:45
Scripts sale does come with a lot of trouble..
Smartzkid
2008-08-21 22:49:07
Lets just do the SSRL market already, then we'd be able to take our time deciding what to give the members.
Hobbit
2008-08-22 01:03:53
I'm with RayRay and Wizzy.
No to all. This is not what SRL Stands for.
Freddy1990
2008-08-22 16:13:38
This is against the fundamental idea of this community, lol…
Script selling should be possible, but the rest? Lol no…
The Claw
2008-08-23 07:32:08
Yeah freddy its a big change, but one for the better i reckon. as autoing dwindles this will be something else to involve the members. and we wont be overrun by scammers because its srl members, so all the noobs from sythe cant get in
n3ss3s
2008-08-23 07:59:41
Yes, and we could add a 2 week or one month wait time before you get access to Black Market, because in that time of scripting after getting members you really don't want to get kicked out of the community.
From: Smartzkid
I also vote for a SSRL black market where we can buy/sell anything. And I mean anything. PINs, accounts, armies, old motherboards, hacked cable boxes, A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G. I think you get my point..
will there be an Organ subforum? I currently have a surplus of Human Organs.
haha, but seriously, I dont know what to say. I love how this community is more about teaching/learning, and have high respect for its beliefs and rules. But time breeds development. This could very well add a new life to these forums. I myself would love being able to trust who I am trading with, and know that a successful trade usually ends with a new online buddy:P. But I will say,
if it is made, it should be done to the full extent, and say yes to all.
oh yeah and I agree with the SSRL market :)
Hobbit
2008-08-23 15:22:11
From: The Claw
Yeah freddy its a big change, but one for the better i reckon. as autoing dwindles this will be something else to involve the members. and we wont be overrun by scammers because its srl members, so all the noobs from sythe cant get in
Haven't you realized… the majority of what scamming does happen here, happens from SRL Members. Almost all the password stealing scripts, other then Zarric Humen(w/e its spelled like), have been made by SRL
Members
Smartzkid
2008-08-23 22:23:18
Make peeps pay to get scripts 'authorized and approved' for sale, at which point they'd be encrypted and posted by a mod into a protected forum.
The Claw
2008-08-23 23:33:14
From: Hobbit
Haven't you realized… the majority of what scamming does happen here, happens from SRL Members. Almost all the password stealing scripts, other then Zarric Humen(w/e its spelled like), have been made by SRL Members
well yeah, but its still a very small percentile of our overall members.
Bobarkinator
2008-08-24 00:11:01
From: The Claw
well yeah, but its still a very small percentile of our overall members.
I don't really trust any of the new members unless I talk to them personally. Most of the old members I trust. Can't think of anyone that I don't
Mr.Klean
2008-08-24 17:47:42
Black market for SSRL only. The regular SRL members can't handle it and it is quite easy to get into.
Smartzkid
2008-08-24 20:15:21
Devs should be able to sell scripts (I would say ssrl, but that defeats the secrecy of our group…)
Freddy1990
2008-08-25 04:43:33
Everyone should be able to sell scripts, but we should make a team to approve them before letting them be sold…
n3ss3s
2008-08-26 01:22:15
So what does the following plan sound like? -
* Full black market for SSRL+
* Approved script sales for Members+
Hobbit
2008-08-26 14:54:40
From: n3ss3s
So what does the following plan sound like? -
* Full black market for SSRL+
* Approved script sales for Members+
I still say no to all
Bobarkinator
2008-08-26 15:03:16
From: Hobbit
I still say no to all
You know, now that I think about it more, I vote no to all also. I personally don't see a need that you would be needing to sell things. You should write scripts and release them so that everyone can learn from them, as chance may have it, if you are selling it, it probably has some pretty cool stuff that people could learn from.
Markus
2008-08-26 16:42:32
SSRL+ market: Yes, we can trust each other can't we? Besides, there isn't really a benefit for being SSRL anymore, besides the nice extra boards.
The Claw
2008-08-27 03:41:20
From: Bobarkinator
You know, now that I think about it more, I vote no to all also. I personally don't see a need that you would be needing to sell things. You should write scripts and release them so that everyone can learn from them, as chance may have it, if you are selling it, it probably has some pretty cool stuff that people could learn from.
I personally don't see a need for anything, apart from eating drinking and sleeping, but that doesn't stop me from getting out of bed in the morning
Hobbit
2008-08-27 03:46:04
From: The Claw
I personally don't see a need for anything, apart from eating drinking and sleeping, but that doesn't stop me from getting out of bed in the morning
Then you are going to live a sad, empty, lonely life.
The Claw
2008-08-27 06:39:22
From: Hobbit
Then you are going to live a sad, empty, lonely life.
Nah, I'm actually living a very happy, fulfilling, and successful life at the moment. Personally I prefer to accept the fact that life and everything in it is ultimately 100% meaningless, and move on, than try to coerce myself into believing false stories or giving myself false hope just to give life a false meaning. ;)
HyperSecret
2008-09-01 14:00:11
I would say yes to SSRL Black Market Only, We ARE the elite of SRL and are a very 'tight' and confined group, I would trust anyone with anything of mine for the most part, obviously some more than another but I still trust all here.
SRL Member is getting more people I don't know and don't care to trust…
My army is almost getting to its selling points and I don't want to go to sythe with it
n3ss3s
2008-09-01 14:59:39
I want something to happen here, why does every time people remember this thread, some new drama of the year have to pop up?
Full bm and shit for SSRL + imo.
Bam Bam
2008-09-10 16:46:51
It seems that the majority of us who have bothered posting here support an SSRL black market. Can one be set up on a trial basis to see how workable it is now?
Special Ed
2008-09-14 00:03:50
Well this is definitely a topic not yet seen by my eyes in SSRL. Although seeing as I may be back, hopefully, I think it'd be wise to start the spread of influence and hopefully get back "in" the community.
Ok, I believe that for one what is the point of an SSRL black market, honestly what would that signify? Just another category for SSRL. If you have something to sell just post it in general SSRL or something no need for a new section, or if you want to sell it to just one person PM them, it isn't that hard.
So overall I'd vote no for all, even SSRL blackmarket since if you really think about it, it seems kinda pointless.
n3ss3s
2008-09-14 02:58:17
Argh! Now everyone has misunderstood the idea? Selling accounts etc is not allowed at SRL, by SSRL Blackmarket I mean that it'd be allowed for SSRL people, no systems and crap involved…
Special Ed
2008-09-14 12:10:28
Aggghhh, yes I did misunderstand your idea. I apologize.
As far as selling scripts are you saying selling scripts between SSRL members or SSRL members and the public forum?
(I always thought it'd be a good idea to make a "cup" that designated certified script sellers, although I'm not positive I even want to see script selling at all on the forum.)
n3ss3s
2008-09-14 13:27:54
Aggghhh, yes I did misunderstand your idea. I apologize.
Hehe, it's okay ;)
At the moment it seems that any kind of black marketing possibility having to do with less than SSRL isn't going to happen, so I'm not sure who would be selling scripts to who. No point in selling scripts SSRL+, I'd like it if people approved for script selling, with a cup telling it, would be allowed to sell them for everyone… If there'd on top of that be any other black marketing, it'd most likely be SSRL+.
The Claw
2008-09-17 06:57:24
I really really think its time for an admin to look at this topic.
The Claw
2008-09-21 22:28:33
Have the admins reached a decision yet? Its been 2 months since this topic was made and many more since the ssrl's first expressed interest in a black market, and we still havent been told yes or no…the topic just keeps getting forgotten about :\
Bam Bam
2008-09-22 11:04:51
From: The Claw
I really really think its time for an admin to look at this topic.
From: The Claw
Have the admins reached a decision yet? Its been 2 months since this topic was made and many more since the ssrl's first expressed interest in a black market, and we still havent been told yes or no…the topic just keeps getting forgotten about :\
I really do agree with The Claw…
-Bam Bam
Edit: We probably need an admin who actually supports this for it to become a reality…
n3ss3s
2008-09-22 11:48:34
Somebody wanna pm someone? :p
Markus
2008-09-22 12:00:09
How about we just bother an admin at msn?
Narcle
2008-09-22 14:11:52
Or IRC? Well I know I wasn't here for the start of the topic, but I'm down for this. "Official Script Salesmen" from the official SRL-Forums would be better then trying to convince people that one of our websites is the legit SRL selling site - if you know what I mean?
I have a feeling having this cup or w/e out in public view isn't the ideal, as it rouses more suspicion? Unless there is a great detailed explanation about what its all about (which I'm sure will happen).
I think SRL could only support script sales, not RWT stuff, as mentioned we could be targeted. A "Approval Team" like Freddy mentioned would be best imo.
Wizzup?
2008-09-23 04:15:55
From: Narcle
Or IRC? Well I know I wasn't here for the start of the topic, but I'm down for this. "Official Script Salesmen" from the official SRL-Forums would be better then trying to convince people that one of our websites is the legit SRL selling site - if you know what I mean?
I have a feeling having this cup or w/e out in public view isn't the ideal, as it rouses more suspicion? Unless there is a great detailed explanation about what its all about (which I'm sure will happen).
I think SRL could only support script sales, not RWT stuff, as mentioned we could be targeted. A "Approval Team" like Freddy mentioned would be best imo.
Oh I see, we are going to sell scripts now too? Great…
n3ss3s
2008-09-23 09:04:18

Funny thing is that I sent that image first on MSN accidentally to my future ex- girlfriend.
WT-Fakawi
2008-09-23 12:46:01
Dont get personal now boys, hm? Thats the easy way out.
If you want my opinion:
You want
money? Go get yourself a job!
Introducing
any kind of money system will be disastreous and will lead to the downfall of SRL. Jagex (and any other business) is very allergic to
money making cheaters. And for good reasons too. Money requires obligations and responsibility. Money will lure those you
dont want to have here at SRL, Scammers, liars, snakes and spies. Money will pile up problem upon problem. And the main question is:
Who is going to control money?
I know the answer. Noone.
Bad idea guys.
Why dont you use your reputation and set up business on forums where the rules permit it? There are plenty of places around.
n3ss3s
2008-09-23 12:57:36
Dont get personal now boys, hm? Thats the easy way out.
If I seriously want someone to shut up I don't post a picture from failblog :rolleyes:
Why dont you use your reputation and set up business on forums where the rules permit it? There are plenty of places around.
Well to public, most of SSRL Members are SRL Members, like they are supposed to. So, they don't have that much reputation, and if you want to make a good business of a script you first have to make several, good, free ones to convince the customers…
Introducing any kind of money system will be disastreous and will lead to the downfall of SRL.
Does there have to be any kind of a system? If there were 'approved' people who are allowed to sell scripts, and hopefully have some proggies etc in the "release" -thread, can't the customers just talk on MSN and send money over PayPal?