SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

Amd/intel


noidea

2008-06-29 09:19:07

Hello peoples of SRL, I was thinking about getting a new Desk Top Computer soon and I was just wondering which kind of Chip (AMD or INTEL) are better for this sort of work/fun(SRL/SCAR)

Every body knows there are several different kinds of the chips, for example AMD Turion, AMD Sepron, and Intel Duel. You know what I'm talking about. I'm just wondering which is the best. Looking forward to hear your comments. And it would be great if you could say the differences,
thanks

noidea


boberman

2008-06-29 09:38:17

For SRL/scar stuff the cheapest system you can build will probably be best since the functions aren't all that processor intensive (neither is Runescape)

If you want the fastest computer you can get, then Intel will be the route to go (as long as you are getting a exxx up, no old pentium 4's). for gaming most people are having lots of good luck with the e8500, it is a dual core built on the 45nm process, making it a fairly cool running chip.

I definitally recommend getting a dual core cpu whatever route you decide to take. If you want to overclock your computer then Intel is the route to take (again, exxx series and up) their chips are amazing overclockers.

AMD will provide you with the all around cheapest build as a good AMD mother board is a bit cheaper then a good intel motherboard. However, they aren't quite as fast nor are they as overclockable (and they run a bit hotter as well).

randy marsh

2008-06-29 09:43:10

hi i got a quad core intel with 4 g ram runs like oil on the floor!

noidea

2008-06-29 09:44:28

Thanks for the info, any body else???

R0b0t1

2008-06-30 02:07:04

I have a iMac Core2Duo 2.8GHz. The two cores are bound together to form a 64 bit.

It was 2 grand though… Hmm…

Mr.Klean

2008-06-30 02:22:02

Oh great. Here we go. Another AMD vs Intel war is on the horizon. I will stay out of it.

I prefer AMD though for most rigs. I run both though

Careful running the new 45nm process, I have ran into a few people that have found that some mobos don't like them and places like TD and Newegg don't like to list the compatibility issues.

I have 5 LAN rigs.

3x AMD X2's
1x Intel Core 2 duo
1x In tel Core 2 extreme Q6850

R0b0t1

2008-06-30 05:03:02

I really don't think it will matter, unless you have a preference for coding assembly language.

Hugolord

2008-06-30 06:44:40

From: mr.klean
Oh great. Here we go. Another AMD vs Intel war is on the horizon. I will stay out of it.

I prefer AMD though for most rigs. I run both though

Careful running the new 45nm process, I have ran into a few people that have found that some mobos don't like them and places like TD and Newegg don't like to list the compatibility issues.

I have 5 LAN rigs.

3x AMD X2's
1x Intel Core 2 duo
1x In tel Core 2 extreme Q6850


you know intel owns.. :)

Jackrawl

2008-06-30 09:00:54

What do you plan on using the computer for?

Cerium

2008-06-30 09:05:50

Say more about what you are going to use the PC for, also the price range would be good to know. :)

boberman

2008-06-30 09:12:10

From: R0b0t1
I have a iMac Core2Duo 2.8GHz. The two cores are bound together to form a 64 bit.

It was 2 grand though… Hmm…


Umm, no. a 64 bit cpu is one that has registers 64 bits long as opposed to the "normal" 32 bit long registers. It has nothing to do with the cpu being dual core (I have a quad core, but I don't have a 128 bit machine).

In order to even take advantage of a 64 bit machine you need a 64 bit operating system. Most people use a 32 bit operating system.

At one time there used to be 16 bit processors (for Win 3.1) and they lingered on for a bit. Then 32 took them out and has been around, really up to this point in time. using a 64 bit operating system is only now becoming viable.

Cerium

2008-06-30 09:25:56

32bit = 3,3 Gb RAM

64bit = much more

noidea

2008-06-30 09:33:50

Im going to be using it for scar, other programing and school work ect… I would like to be able to rune like 1 or 2 SMARTs in the back round while doing school work or job work. [({HAS TO BE DESKTOP})]

noidea

boberman

2008-06-30 09:47:46

From: Cerium
32bit = 3,3 Gb RAM

64bit = much more


While that is one of the benefits of a 64 bit operating system, it isn't the only thing.

Like I said before, the 64 bits signifies how long a register is. Since memory has to be mapped out, a 32 bit long map can hold less addresses then a 64 bit one. That is why an operating system that is 64bit can use the longer addresses to store more stuff in the ram. It will be a very long time before we are able to reach the limits of a 64 bit register, We may for whatever reason decide to start using 128 bit processors way before we get to that point. (though, there isn't much of a point to it)

I should state, though, that the 64 bit processor provides minimal speed increases (none, if you are using a 32 bit system) so it should be the only reason. There are ways to get more then 3.3 Gb of ram out of a 32bit processor.

R0b0t1

2008-07-01 22:40:24

Boberman, I know what I'm talking about. The cores are linked to make it a 64bit computer.

Don't believe me? I can run 64bit apps, and 64bit OS's.

boberman

2008-07-01 23:50:22

From: R0b0t1
Boberman, I know what I'm talking about. The cores are linked to make it a 64bit computer.

Don't believe me? I can run 64bit apps, and 64bit OS's.


actually, no, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. the only "64" bit cpu that made the claim of being 64 bits because it had two cores was that of the N64. Even though it was just a dual core 32 bit processor.

Again, I bring up the example of my Q6600, its a quad core, does that make it a 128 bit cpu? Answer, no not in the slightest. Dual core != 64 bit cpu.

Another example would be my single core Althon 64 3500+, 64 bit? yes.

I'm not saying you don't have a 64 bit cpu, im saying it isn't 64bits because it is dual core. I have no idea where you are getting the notion that the cpu being linked makes it 64 bits, that is not the case at all.

I recommend you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64_bit to understand the point I'm trying to make. No where in it does it make the claim that a dual core cpu is automatically a 64 bit cpu.

And if you are still in denial, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual-Core the predecessor to the core 2 duo was, you guess it, a 32 bit processor. Even thought it was a dual core. And no, 32 bit processors weren't a new thing, they have been around in the consumer market since windows 95.

*Cliff notes*
-Dual core has nothing to do with a processor being 64 bit or not.
-I was not arguing that you didn't have a dual core, only that your reason stated was wrong.