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Jagex mods around SRL forums and Sythe forums trying to steal our code and analyze it


solarwind

2006-10-25 22:42:25

whatever…

Boreas

2006-10-25 23:00:18

Sounds like a great idea. When I first saw your sig I thought it was Jagex Eliminator or something lol.

Just so you know, a lot of stuff is released with caution in the members section, which is why becoming a member is so hard. Also, you may want to realease alpha for testing to members before you become a member through pm/email/im. Because this sounds like a lot of work, I am guessing you won't be working on other scripts to use in your app. If this works like you say it will, I'm sure it would prove you're member material.

solarwind

2006-10-25 23:16:09

From: Boreas
Sounds like a great idea. When I first saw your sig I thought it was Jagex Eliminator or something lol.

Just so you know, a lot of stuff is released with caution in the members section, which is why becoming a member is so hard. Also, you may want to realease alpha for testing to members before you become a member through pm/email/im. Because this sounds like a lot of work, I am guessing you won't be working on other scripts to use in your app. If this works like you say it will, I'm sure it would prove you're member material.


I love you. From now on, J.E.S.S.I will stand for Jagex Eliminator's Scar Script Include.

Boreas

2006-10-25 23:21:31

lol I have a knack for these things. RABBIT = Random Anti Ban Buried In Timer. Hmm SRL Acronym Maker sounds like a catchy name… SAM lol.

solarwind

2006-10-25 23:44:56

Lol, thanks a lot for the idea!

I am rapidly working away at this secret project of mine every time I get spare time (when I have no homework, etc…) (Yes, I'm a kid) I will keep you all updated on the progress in my signature.

Pyro

2006-10-25 23:45:03

No offence to you solar. But most people have known that jagex would look through scar and there communitys to find things to be able to detect. And really instead of being paranoid people just get on with life. And if you are not willing to share stuff amongst most people or "until you get member status" thats not really the right attitude.

solarwind

2006-10-25 23:52:54

From: Pyro
No offence to you solar. But most people have known that jagex would look through scar and there communitys to find things to be able to detect. And really instead of being paranoid people just get on with life. And if you are not willing to share stuff amongst most people or "until you get member status" thats not really the right attitude.


I completly agree with you. My intention is not to keep it untill (and if) I get member status. My intention is to have a plan to distribut it WITHOUT Jagex getting to it. I completely agree that that's not the right attitude. I just want to make it as best as I can before I "release" it. I don't want bugs everywhere.

Also, I have a suggestion to improve scar. Scar is now in interpreter. If someway, we could compile the script into an executable and run that nativly, we could run the scripts without lag.

Also, SCAR could be also made for Linux. Linux is MUCH more secure than Windows is.

Can a mod sticky this please?

masquerader

2006-10-26 01:30:05

er.. no…. im not going to sticky this..
you need to be realistic

if you want to completely rewrite scar, go join the other people that are trying to, like impsoft

i know a piece of software that hasnt been updated in over a year isnt the best, but we do just fine here

Pyro

2006-10-26 02:23:14

Lol freddy is trying his best. To remake scar though :p. Scar will never be made able to package into exes. Due to the shear fact that if someone sends an exe you really dont know what your getting. And you cant read through script to see what it does. There is a thing called autoit. www.autoitscript.com. Im actually looking through it now

Starblaster100

2006-10-26 07:34:36

Jagex have always been around cheating forums, im pretty sure a mod has even bought my scar script before. They dont bother us too much, dont worry about it

Boreas

2006-10-26 09:38:03

Hmm Star that sounds like something someone from jagex would say…

Every government and itelligence agency in the world has leaks, it's a fact of life. We will never be air tight, but most of the good stuff is in members and the best stuff is only known to devs. At the rate rs and srl change, even if they did reverse engineer stuff, by the time they did it wouldn't be a big deal anymore. The 9/27 update was fixed in 2 days, how long did it take jagex to code in java? Probably a lot longer. Jagex's best strategy is to just make the game require more human like thinking on your feet, and our best strategy is to make scripts more human like. So I would say go ahead with you human like project, but don't pull your hair out over jagex spies like Star:tongue:

IronTeapot

2006-10-26 11:03:51

I actually used autoit before i found scar. Not as advanced, but good for the little jobs and can compile into an exe. Has easy GUI creation and things like that.

Starblaster100

2006-10-26 11:24:42

From: Boreas
Hmm Star that sounds like something someone from jagex would say…

Every government and itelligence agency in the world has leaks, it's a fact of life. We will never be air tight, but most of the good stuff is in members and the best stuff is only known to devs. At the rate rs and srl change, even if they did reverse engineer stuff, by the time they did it wouldn't be a big deal anymore. The 9/27 update was fixed in 2 days, how long did it take jagex to code in java? Probably a lot longer. Jagex's best strategy is to just make the game require more human like thinking on your feet, and our best strategy is to make scripts more human like. So I would say go ahead with you human like project, but don't pull your hair out over jagex spies like Star:tongue:


yup, im a jagex spy :P

solarwind

2006-10-26 16:30:03

From: Boreas
Hmm Star that sounds like something someone from jagex would say…

Every government and itelligence agency in the world has leaks, it's a fact of life. We will never be air tight, but most of the good stuff is in members and the best stuff is only known to devs. At the rate rs and srl change, even if they did reverse engineer stuff, by the time they did it wouldn't be a big deal anymore. The 9/27 update was fixed in 2 days, how long did it take jagex to code in java? Probably a lot longer. Jagex's best strategy is to just make the game require more human like thinking on your feet, and our best strategy is to make scripts more human like. So I would say go ahead with you human like project, but don't pull your hair out over jagex spies like Star:tongue:


Thanks for the support, I'll continue on my secret project.

YoHoJo

2006-10-26 16:51:50

everyone knows jagex is all arround
they have been forever
they dont wate their time analying or doing antyhnig to our scripts unless its a real problem in rs
arayn was a real problem so they completed remade the engine
scar right now inst much of a problem their men priority is proably the chinnese bot
jagex wont changed their game just for a few scripts that arent doing too mcuh to the game.
(beside all the GOOD scripts are in SRL member section i doubt any jagex people are in thre)

I v posted a topic like this in SRL membersecion saying that we are too open sourced but everyone said its not mcuh of a problem.

you are just too psyco..

They then take it back to their labs and analyze it to see what it does. They create detection algorithims and spot and ban people that are using those scripts.


its a script now an animal. they arent going to need a "lab" to disect it =p

solarwind

2006-10-26 16:55:19

From: yohojo8
everyone knows jagex is all arround
they have been forever
they dont wate their time analying or doing antyhnig to our scripts unless its a real problem in rs
arayn was a real problem so they completed remade the engine
scar right now inst much of a problem their men priority is proably the chinnese bot
jagex wont changed their game just for a few scripts that arent doing too mcuh to the game.
(beside all the GOOD scripts are in SRL member section i doubt any jagex people are in thre)

I v posted a topic like this in SRL membersecion saying that we are too open sourced but everyone said its not mcuh of a problem.

you are just too psyco..



its a script now an animal. they arent going to need a "lab" to disect it =p



Lol, I meant take it back to their HQ. And by the way, all the good scripts are accessable to SRL members only?

Boreas

2006-10-26 16:57:20

There are good and bad in members and good and bad in non members, but yea pretty much.

solarwind

2006-10-26 17:01:21

But the best are in members… *sigh*

Boreas

2006-10-26 17:02:18

Work on your human like project and you'll get in.

solarwind

2006-10-26 17:16:06

From: Boreas
Work on your human like project and you'll get in.


Ok. All I need all you SRL members is tell me what exactly to do.
Like… what functions would you like to see?

Boreas

2006-10-26 17:31:39

Being able to get colors while moving mouse like in your othe thread.

Continuous human like mouse movement with uptext scanning: Right now, I go to random points in a box, checking the uptext at each point, and the movment between the points is benmouse. What I want is the mouse to move continously checking the uptext the whole way like I do when I'm playing legit and looking for an uptext.
See attached for a crappy pic.

I think we have human typing pretty good. But maybe a better spelling and sentence engine.

I can't really think of much stuff that wouldn't be down to individual scripts.

lardmaster

2006-10-26 17:37:27

autoresponder that determines questions asked!

ruler

2006-10-26 18:30:29

you have won the joke of the day award.

lardmaster

2006-10-26 18:39:16

it would be cool…

solarwind

2006-10-26 18:50:57

From: ruler
you have won the joke of the day award.


Sorry, Ruler.

ruler

2006-10-26 19:26:08

you bring much needed humor into the community.

solarwind

2006-10-26 19:41:58

From: ruler
you bring much needed humor into the community.


Edit: Sorry for my rudeness.

Ruroken

2006-10-26 20:09:09

From: solarwind
Shut the hell up. Your ignorance obviously proves your level of intelligence.


You do know thats ruler right? As in the ruler from impsoft….the guy who made(?) iBot..thats who your calling a idiot….have YOU ever made a auto PROGRAM? I didnt think so…

lardmaster

2006-10-26 20:31:16

i have to say, ruler was impolite, but he is not stupid, he made ibot…

solarwind

2006-10-26 20:46:43

Ruler, I'm sorry.

solarwind

2006-10-26 20:49:33

From: Ruroken
You do know thats ruler right? As in the ruler from impsoft….the guy who made(?) iBot..thats who your calling a idiot….have YOU ever made a auto PROGRAM? I didnt think so…


Um… Actually, I helped make GCC (the GNU C compiler, which is one of the most (if not the most) widely used C compilers in the world.)

Amen.

ruler

2006-10-26 21:30:26

From: solarwind
Um… Actually, I helped make GCC (the GNU C compiler, which is one of the most (if not the most) widely used C compilers in the world.)

Amen.

http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Contributors.html ?


Did you know jagex never tried to directly detect aryan? They dont have the time or resources to go thru scripts.

They run algothrims that dectect cheaters logically.
e.g. never losing focus for hours on end
e.g. mouse never leaving the applet.
e.g unhuman playing hours
e.g. they stream your mouse x,y coordiantes to their server then they analysius looking for a non human pattern. (speed,x,x^2,x^3)

Then their are internal traps that look for modifications to the client.

YoHoJo

2006-10-26 21:39:39

overll i belive this thrad is 100% pointles
we knwo jagex has acces to our stuff. its not new news
and how are u developing scar if its not open source.
make something useful then ill belive you =)

ruler

2006-10-26 21:44:24

whos developing scar? what? where?

solarwind

2006-10-26 22:00:06

Guys thanks for checking the gcc contributors list but It's kinda obvious that my real name isn't solarwind and therefore isn't on that list (which has real names). Lol.

Ruler, do you think that SCAR or iBot is less detecable?

YoHoJo

2006-10-26 22:05:18

scar is less detectable no doubt

ruler

2006-10-26 22:08:10

scar lets you do things that are dectable like key down and mouse down more then once. My system doesn't. However dectablity weivers when comapring the two systems on mouse functions and scripts/randoms.

I take it you know alot of c since you helped make gcc?

solarwind

2006-10-26 22:13:46

From: ruler
scar lets you do things that are dectable like key down and mouse down more then once. My system doesn't. However dectablity weivers when comapring the two systems on mouse functions and scripts/randoms.

I take it you know alot of c since you helped make gcc?


Yes, I do know a lot of C. I have started exploring your iBot, Ruler. So far, I love it much more than SCAR. I have no trouble with Java and iBot has no lag on my system and with that, I can do almost anything. Ruler, can you please explain to me the advantages/disadvantages of SCAR/iBot in terms of detectablilty please? If iBot looks more appealing, I will port over J.E.S.S.I to iBot Java code in no time.

Bebe

2006-10-26 22:16:25

Jagex has always been here, and in ever large cheating community. Live with it.

solarwind

2006-10-26 22:28:12

Ok people, listen, I'm not a noob, you all sound like you hate me a lot. All I'm trying to do is get my J.E.S.S.I project up and running and contribute to the community. I want to share my scripts with everyone so they can benifit from it as well. The theory behind J.E.S.S.I is simply: DON'T GET BANNED! So far it's doing well, and I have found out about iBot. Can you all help me please? Please? Please?

Ruler, can you please explain to me the advantages/disadvantages of SCAR/iBot in terms of detectablilty please? I'm really interested in iBot and I believe it has great potential.

Boreas

2006-10-26 23:14:48

I don't think anyone is flaming you for wanting to make human like stuff and not getting banned etc. It's just the whole paranoia jagex thing, and people see the title and don't read the rest. Or people don't read the whole thread. I hate that.

solarwind

2006-10-26 23:29:17

Oh, sorry about that.

Please see this thread for iBot vs. SCAR.

http://www.villu-reborn.com/showthread.php?t=3884

dwas-woot

2006-10-27 14:43:13

solarwind seems way excited. kind of weird… he just became a member and hes been posting and threading like crazy…

solarwind

2006-10-27 15:55:15

From: dwas-woot
solarwind seems way excited. kind of weird… he just became a member and hes been posting and threading like crazy…


Lol, I'm just interested to make a nice script. And who just became a member?

ExplosiveMan

2007-03-15 18:31:20

LOl well very interesting topic we have here. I think there has been Jagex mods that have read this. They have been around cheating forums forever! They are trying to find who using SCAr, but they never will. Want to know why? because we are always finding ways to beat them at their own game. We keep getting more and more human like. I doubt they will ever destroy all runescape cheating.

legendaryhero90

2007-03-16 08:10:01

this topic is pretty old… why bump it?

Kingofptw

2007-03-16 21:24:13

From: legendaryhero90
this topic is pretty old… why bump it?


I don't know,some people here grew paranoia,myself having jagex bothering coming to check my website i would be happy,they don't even bother giving support to their players.

Smartzkid

2007-03-17 02:04:44

From: ExplosiveMan
…I doubt they will ever destroy all runescape cheating.



Nah, They'll destroy their own game first!!! All the stupid randoms and annoying things they've added in; they might not realize it, but they are slowly ruining their game instead of stopping us…

Jason2gs

2007-03-17 04:09:30

Mmhmm, the second they add "Type this set of letters in to continue playing" in the game, it'll be all over… For everybody. Autoers and legits alike.

eddie

2007-04-08 07:47:45

From: Jason2gs
Mmhmm, the second they add "Type this set of letters in to continue playing" in the game, it'll be all over… For everybody. Autoers and legits alike.


Don't Give them Ideas!

*Runs off and tells jagex to take every random out and put this IN*

Lol.

Synthroids

2007-04-09 18:21:47

From: Jason2gs
Mmhmm, the second they add "Type this set of letters in to continue playing" in the game, it'll be all over… For everybody. Autoers and legits alike.


If they used a font to do this, it would be easy as hell. Verification images, like found on forums, that would be a different matter. Man, that would suck badly.

Don't Give them Ideas!

*Runs off and tells jagex to take every random out and put this IN*

Lol


-Cocks Shotgun-

luugimees

2007-04-09 20:39:01

From: Jason2gs
Mmhmm, the second they add "Type this set of letters in to continue playing" in the game, it'll be all over… For everybody. Autoers and legits alike.


Have you ever used a sleepingbag?

syberium

2007-04-10 04:12:17

a varifiaction image like found on forums would do the same thing scaperune does. so, i dont see how they would be that much of a threat.. theyd be more a problem to the players with bad eyesight.. as long as we could detect that we did get the verification image thingy in rs we could just log and switch players.. hence the beauty of srl. <3

YoHoJo

2007-04-10 04:19:02

Guys stop bumping this.
Its OLD stuff and its OVER.!

CorbLimey

2009-09-01 18:02:47

Come on you lot! Isn't half of the fun in defeating the randoms and not getting caught autoing? It would soon get pretty boring if Jagex weren't bothered.

Just a thought from a newby…

The Claw

2009-09-01 18:13:09

Please dont gravedig CorbLimey. It's just standard forum etiquette although you do have a good point