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http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm - very interesting article

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941

Interesting but i have a very hard time believing some of this stuff like the above quote, and big companies being scared of it is bullshit, because they would just use it to their best interest… it is a very useful plant and i think it has lots of uses and would bring incredible tax revenue to the government and making it legal might lower the use of it in negative ways, if it was legalised it is the only "drug" that should be, and it should have an age limit and treated much like alcohol…

Bibles were made from cannabis lol.
I actually believe this could have happened though.
There's no other explanation for how something so good could actually become illegal that i can think of.

well its just perception, and the 60's didnt help at all… The problem with pot however is it is an entrance level drug and people can never get enough of things so naturally it would lead to other drugs, pot by itself isnt bad, even though i have never done it and dont plan to…

From: sirlaughsalot
well its just perception, and the 60's didnt help at all… The problem with pot however is it is an entrance level drug and people can never get enough of things so naturally it would lead to other drugs, pot by itself isnt bad, even though i have never done it and dont plan to…

thats a HUGE mis belief. The reason why the government labeled pot as a "gateway drug" is because once people try pot the think " that wasnt so bad, what else has the government lied to me about " and they MIGHT want to try other highs. Most people are fine just smoking pot.

another thing is most people try booze or ciggerates before weed. So wouldnt those be the real gatewa drugs?

Booze and normal cigs are "door opener drugs" - they start you usually thinking Marijuana is okay, because your normal cigs were okay.

Just what I'v heard.

hmm, I agree with some points in the article however there are some things that are a little bit off.

In the article it says that smoking pot ONLY HELPS the body. It does have positive effects, but it does not excuse the fact that the smoke going into your lungs is having a negative effect. It also doesnt talk about the brain-cells that it kills when you use it.

I really dont like to look at extremist articles like this because they are very unrealistic. The same goes for extremist articles against pot…

I like to find myself in the middle agreeing with points in both sides. Realistically America would be better off if we legalized it for certain amounts. Well thats my 2 cents worth… ;)

hemp isnt only used for smoking. theres many usefull things you can do with it, like make rope etc. the government is morons, and doesnt realize this. i THINK it can even help solve the fuel problem.

From: gerauchert
hmm, I agree with some points in the article however there are some things that are a little bit off.

In the article it says that smoking pot ONLY HELPS the body. It does have positive effects, but it does not excuse the fact that the smoke going into your lungs is having a negative effect. It also doesnt talk about the brain-cells that it kills when you use it.

I really dont like to look at extremist articles like this because they are very unrealistic. The same goes for extremist articles against pot…

I like to find myself in the middle agreeing with points in both sides. Realistically America would be better off if we legalized it for certain amounts. Well thats my 2 cents worth… ;)

Brain cells im not worried about, not sure about the amount but you can do something like smoke pot every day of your life without becoming retarded…

Lungs on the other hand is bad, but it is not as bad for you as tobacco…

From: oliver1205
hemp isnt only used for smoking. theres many usefull things you can do with it, like make rope etc. the government is morons, and doesnt realize this. i THINK it can even help solve the fuel problem.

lol "the government is morons" priceless XD

Btw for a lot of people it is an "entrance level" drug, my brother did pot quite often, then did speed a couple times… He has quit now, it was never a big deal but he did get in trouble for the speed…

@hy
That seems to make sense… "doesnt hurt me right now, so this wont either" kinda messed up logic…

Hah, somehow my English class got on the topic of Marijuana and kids were talking about how it's "not actually that addictive" and my teacher countered that by saying, "It does make you sterile though."

About half the class got HUGE eyes and started talking all at once, "Are you serious???. It was so funny. You have to do it a lot to be sterile, but it freaked the class out. I know a few of them in there are on drugs regularly.

It's possible that Hemp could be such a super plant or that it is very over estimated. Most sources there are very old and are more there for effect than evidence. If it had modern sources from qualified doctor's and scientist's then I would find it more believable. Oil, for example, was seen as a super liquid when plastics were made and even when they just found it was highly flammable; now we know that it's killing the planet. There's a chance that Hemp could have a side affect to the environment as well. Of course, there's a good chance it doesn't, but you never know as it was last grown industrially a generation or so ago before scientists knew about these radical new global warming theories etc.

I don't think pot will bring you to other drugs alone.
If you were going to smoke meth one day, you were going to do it weather you found pot or not.
You won't smoke pot and then just be like "wow now im totally ready for some hard stuff"
I think some people are just crack heads.

And even if this is not true, that means this is-

another thing is most people try booze or ciggerates before weed. So wouldnt those be the real gatewa drugs?

So they can't blame poor old mary jane

From: oliver1205
hemp isnt only used for smoking. theres many usefull things you can do with it, like make rope etc. the government is morons, and doesnt realize this. i THINK it can even help solve the fuel problem.

ok, get things right lol…hemp is not a drug, it cannott be smoked and does not get you high, however it is a type of cannabis plant(the male) …hemp was used to make money, proving that the government is not morons lol…cannabis for products such as rope and hemp are good and so it should be seen as good by everyone :)

the female cannabis plant is the one containng the thc (the stuff that gets you high and kills brain cells)…in my opinion, its a good thing, but to some people (generally the ones that claim to have never tried it) its a bad thing lol

every1 is entitled 2 their own opinion, im just trying to show you the good, and the bad :)

If they made it legal, then it would be like alcohol, you would have to be a certain age, but the gov. could make a lot of money of the taxes, also then it would open up a lot more jobs for farmers to grow it, and possibly some industries to make the hemp into stuff, but it's been legalized in Denver Colorado, you can have up to an ounce (28 grams) but you still get a fine though (about price of speeding ticket), it's just more tolerated in Denver now. They should just legalize it throughout the whole country, I really don't think anything bad would come out of it.

My personal oppinion is that it might not be legalized because people already get it for medicine and that would be the main reason to legalize it, but since it already is legal to use it medically it's hard to say if it'll be leaglized (like tobacco), but I think eventually it will be, but probably not for a few years, until people wake up and realize it's not so dangerous.

and also people have died from drinking to much and from drinking while driving, you can't smoke to much, you would fall asleep before that happens, and most people wouldn't even have enough money to buy that much anyway because you need your weight plus some pounds (forget how many) but it's too impossible to smoke to much, and people usually get paranoid after smoking marijuana and get pulled over for driving to slow, so there wouldn't be as many deaths from driving under the influence of marijuana compared to the amount of D.W.I.'s, but some people probably have died or been injured badly from driving while high, it could happen.

From: ben600006
ok, get things right lol…hemp is not a drug, it cannott be smoked and does not get you high, however it is a type of cannabis plant(the male) …hemp was used to make money, proving that the government is not morons lol…cannabis for products such as rope and hemp are good and so it should be seen as good by everyone :)

the female cannabis plant is the one containng the thc (the stuff that gets you high and kills brain cells)…in my opinion, its a good thing, but to some people (generally the ones that claim to have never tried it) its a bad thing lol

every1 is entitled 2 their own opinion, im just trying to show you the good, and the bad :)

i know thta….

im saying even if smoking it was iilegal they can still use the hemp plant. so it would be bennifical to grow on a large scale but they are morons

Funny

Smoking pot definately has a negative effect on the brain. Not only does it inhibit learning and short term memory, it alters brain chemistry and kills brain cells. I have personally seen a very smart person turn very stupid from smoking pot over several years.

From: SonOfSheep
Smoking pot definately has a negative effect on the brain. Not only does it inhibit learning and short term memory, it alters brain chemistry and kills brain cells. I have personally seen a very smart person turn very stupid from smoking pot over several years.

tell that to my 3.612 gpa. its possible to smoke pot in moderation. this is also not just about smoking but how the hemp plant can be usefull

From: oliver1205
tell that to my 3.612 gpa. its possible to smoke pot in moderation. this is also not just about smoking but how the hemp plant can be usefull

Yeah, however his addiction got out of control and he would skip school to smoke weed and play world of warcraft.

I couldn't stand reading the article to be honest. Reminded me too much of those "9/11 is fake!!!!" conspiracy articles.

Well Marijuana itself isn't that bad, but I'm not about to try it.

My cousin is about 22 now. He got involved with marijuana at first and knew it was relatively harmless. But then he started moving towards cocaine and other more serious drugs. He spent 2 years in jail after he was caught dealing, and was on meth among other drugs.

After doing marijuana a person is much more likely to try other more dangerous drugs, and that's where the risk lies.

From: alach11
Well Marijuana itself isn't that bad, but I'm not about to try it.

My cousin is about 22 now. He got involved with marijuana at first and knew it was relatively harmless. But then he started moving towards cocaine and other more serious drugs. He spent 2 years in jail after he was caught dealing, and was on meth among other drugs.

After doing marijuana a person is much more likely to try other more dangerous drugs, and that's where the risk lies.

if your going to do coke, your going to do coke. if your gunna try meth your gunna try meth. if your going to sell drugs your going to sell drugs. since a lot of people try pot it usually gets blamed when they do stupid shit later on. smoking weed isnt going to make you sell drugs.

It doesnt make you but it helps the process

That's entirely true, but the reality is that I read in this article that marijuana actually has MORE tar than in cigarettes. Many people say it's not addictive (scientifically speaking), but psychologically, socially, and even physical dependence are factors that usually bind them to weed. However, it truly is the "gateway drug" (at least from my experience). I've seen it all too many times. Oliver, it may be that the government is blantantly denying the obvious facts of the matter, but it doesn't mean that they are entirely wrong. Half the people in society (at least in high schools and colleges) today lack the abstinence from drugs and self-respect to not smoke weed. There is a lot of ignorance on both sides of the case going on at once. The only way we can get a fair report is from Wikipedia :D

^ yes marijuana DOES have more tar then cigs. but in my experience ( both my parents some cigs ) people smoke A LOT more cigs then marijuana. if you try other drugs you would try them even if you never smoked weed before. you dont get high and then go decide to try coke. you do different drugs because YOU WANT TO. your right though, there is a lot of ignorance, but weed is no where as bad as the government would like us to think it is.

Thats true about the lengths that the government will go to cover it up, but its statistically proven that marijuana leads to other drugs. Of course, it is the user's choice if they want to go straight from "being clean" to a "cracky", but has anyone heard of a person that has made that jump?

All the more reason to love weed :)

And 4.0 GPA I might add :P

From: freakymonkey
That's entirely true, but the reality is that I read in this article that marijuana actually has MORE tar than in cigarettes. Many people say it's not addictive (scientifically speaking), but psychologically, socially, and even physical dependence are factors that usually bind them to weed. However, it truly is the "gateway drug" (at least from my experience). I've seen it all too many times. Oliver, it may be that the government is blantantly denying the obvious facts of the matter, but it doesn't mean that they are entirely wrong. Half the people in society (at least in high schools and colleges) today lack the abstinence from drugs and self-respect to not smoke weed. There is a lot of ignorance on both sides of the case going on at once. The only way we can get a fair report is from Wikipedia :D

Tar isn't the problem, its the chemicals they put in cigarettes which make them worse. Which is 999.999 to 1 btw. Not a social addiction *from my experience* Ive been off of it for lets see…. 5-6 years? No social, physical,or psychological dependence here my friend. Gateway drug? thats just an excuse for people that want to TRY harsher drugs. Hemp is and could be More
useful in todays world. Btw the people that tell us this crap is the people from the 60's-70's generation. Do they know what they're talking about? Suuure but how could they remember if they were stoned 99.9% of their lives.
Anyways life is what you make of it. You make the choices, not the substance. Thats todays problem.

Thats my 2 cents on this subject.

oh im in college btw with a 3.8 gpa.

No offense against you Freakymonky, i just saw discussion and debates thread so i felt like debating xD.

-peace

btw its not really the weed itself thats bad for you, but the actual smoking of it. Some things you smoke it in ( like blunts ) already have a tobacco paper on it. If you say ate it or used a vaporizer then you wouldn't get the health effects of smoking it, witch makes it ALMOST harmless.

when you are high you are still intoxicated. BUT its not as bad as being drunk. I would rather be in the car with stoned people then drunk people any day. When your younger IT COULD take away your drive in some things. Personally this hasnt happened to me but i have seen it happen. Really the only negative side effect iv'e seen on myself is my short term memorys been effected.

the pros out weigh the cons. Marijuana also can help out a lot medicinally.

Again I relize this is an old post but I think its a good one to bring back.

I gots a plan make smoking hemp illegal ohh wait it is and legalise the growth for other good things like FOOD or legalize pot I know most kids where I live smoke because its illegal you know I will not respect your autoritie

From: SonOfSheep
Smoking pot definately has a negative effect on the brain. Not only does it inhibit learning and short term memory, it alters brain chemistry and kills brain cells. I have personally seen a very smart person turn very stupid from smoking pot over several years.

Over SEVERAL years. Alcohol Kills brain cells much faster, and you dont lose your memory. You may not remember anything from when you are high, but you do not remember less than an average person when you quit.

From: sirlaughsalot
well its just perception, and the 60's didnt help at all… The problem with pot however is it is an entrance level drug and people can never get enough of things so naturally it would lead to other drugs, pot by itself isnt bad, even though i have never done it and dont plan to…

From: oliver1205
thats a HUGE mis belief. The reason why the government labeled pot as a "gateway drug" is because once people try pot the think " that wasnt so bad, what else has the government lied to me about " and they MIGHT want to try other highs. Most people are fine just smoking pot.

another thing is most people try booze or ciggerates before weed. So wouldnt those be the real gatewa drugs?

Both of you are wrong… Ive been smoking pot for 2 years and i am just fine with smoking only pot. Ive tried Ice, ane(sp),coke, and the only reason that i ever even tried them was becuase the people who i hung with were my general stoner friends and one day they were like dude try this so i did. My point being most people who smoke pot get drawn in to other drugs becuase pot itself is illegal.therefore drawing you into people who do illegal things. If pot was legal i would have only smoked pot and never even tried those drugs. i dont think im making any sense atm becuase im tired but you hang around people who dont only smoke pot but they do a differnt drug like ice, and when you hang out with them and niether one of you have pot but you friend has somthing else your more willing to try it.

That's entirely true, but the reality is that I read in this article that marijuana actually has MORE tar than in cigarettes. Many people say it's not addictive (scientifically speaking), but psychologically, socially, and even physical dependence are factors that usually bind them to weed. However, it truly is the "gateway drug" (at least from my experience). I've seen it all too many times. Oliver, it may be that the government is blantantly denying the obvious facts of the matter, but it doesn't mean that they are entirely wrong. Half the people in society (at least in high schools and colleges) today lack the abstinence from drugs and self-respect to not smoke weed. There is a lot of ignorance on both sides of the case going on at once. The only way we can get a fair report is from Wikipedia

You sir fail. it isnt socially addicting at all. Ive smoked weed for 2 years as stated above and havent smoked in prolly 2 weeks and im perfectly fine. Its all about your personality! A person who has an addictive personality (like the chainsmokers and binge drinkers) are the ones who are going to be addicted to it…the drug itself DOESNT make you become addicted! And whats this bullshit about selfrespect and not smoking pot? self respect has nothing to do with smoking pot. Most people who i talk to about smoking pot tell me its immoral becuase it is illegal i bring up the fact that it is more heathly than cigs and the only comeback i ever hear is "its still illegal" the reason i smoked pot was to relieve stress and to relax. Whats the difference from me taking some pill that does the same thing? would i have no selfrespect becuase i was taking the pills?

d most people wouldn't even have enough money to buy that much anyway because you need your weight plus some pounds (forget how many)

Its 2x your body weight :D

From: Harkonnen
Again I relize this is an old post but I think its a good one to bring back.

I gots a plan make smoking hemp illegal ohh wait it is and legalise the growth for other good things like FOOD or legalize pot I know most kids where I live smoke because its illegal you know I will not respect your autoritie

not really people smoke weed because they want too,..they like the affects.., they get some inspiration when there high to do something that could make you rich or something or write a cool song and next time learn how to spell authority please and learn some proper spelling

firstly STOP GRAVE DIGGING…this is months old

and secondly, dont complain about peoples spelling right after you spelt effects with an a at the begining

affects

HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY TOBACCO

Erm tobbaco is used in spliffs,

joints have no filters on them cigges do!

so joints are bad for u as they have no filter!

From: djcheater
joints have no filters on them cigges do!

so joints are bad for u as they have no filter!

u clearly have never smoked a joint in your life…you make a thing called a roach which filters out a percentage of tar, and seing as theres less tobacco, theres less to filter which is why people do not use proper filters they use a roach

so, joints do have a filter and, no, a cigarette is not better than a joint, its worse

how many people die from smoking too much weed ? (less)
how many people die from smoking too many cigarettes ? (more)

lol i smoked for like 3 years! how dos roach filter any tar? its a little rolled up bit of paper!

Lul, the roach is so you don't burn your lips im pretty sure, I don't even use a roach when i smoke :s

Erm tobbaco is used in spliffs,

joints have no filters on them cigges do!

so joints are bad for u as they have no filter!

Now Sir, that is just called being idiotic. It doesn't necessarly matter if it has a filter, but what would go through it if it had one.

Ex: Smoke tobacco with hundreds of carcinogens with a filter == Cancer.
Smoke pot with only a few == lesser chance of getting it, even if it doesn't use a filter.
The chances of the hundreds going through the filter are more of a chance than the few in marijuana. Kiathxbai.

From: ben600006
how many people die from smoking too much weed ? (less)
how many people die from smoking too many cigarettes ? (more)

That is also idiotic tbh, sorry, lol, you must consider the ratios between how many people actually smoke marijuana, instead of normal tobacco.
A lot less smokes marijuana than tobacco, because it is easier to acquire tobacco. Compare the ratios!!

From: Hy71194
Now Sir, that is just called being idiotic. It doesn't necessarly matter if it has a filter, but what would go through it if it had one.

Ex: Smoke tobacco with hundreds of carcinogens with a filter == Cancer.
Smoke pot with only a few == lesser chance of getting it, even if it doesn't use a filter.
The chances of the hundreds going through the filter are more of a chance than the few in marijuana. Kiathxbai.


That is also idiotic tbh, sorry, lol, you must consider the ratios between how many people actually smoke marijuana, instead of normal tobacco.
A lot less smokes marijuana than tobacco, because it is easier to acquire tobacco. Compare the ratios!!

Depends how much tobacco is being used in a joint!

when i said that less people die from smoking weed i mean if there was say 100,000 people that smoked weed all there lives and 100,000 people that smoked cigarettes all their lives, the chances are that the people that had smoked weed would be healthier than the people that had smoked cigarettes

maybe it does give you long term mental difficulties, but i have never herd of anyone that has ever suffered from smoking weed

It makes u paranoid my mate killed himself, coz he went crazy on it,

then someone else i knew tried stabbing his parents , all he did was smoke that dirty stuff!

so thats bulls**t when they say its harmless

From: djcheater
It makes u paranoid my mate killed himself, coz he went crazy on it,

then someone else i knew tried stabbing his parents , all he did was smoke that dirty stuff!

so thats bulls**t when they say its harmless

PLZ pot does NOT make you go fucking crazy and be all paranoid…they were prolly tweaking.. tweak would make them paranoid and go crazy. pot will not. Ive smoked for almost 3 years now and havent gone crazy AND im one of the top athletes in my state. My aunt and uncle have been smoking for like 25 years and they've never flipped out and tried doing any stupid things like stabbing someone..


BTW when i smoke joints i put 0 tobacco in my joints (matter of fact im going to smoke one right now) :f:

I am sure it effects some people more then others , maybe genes etc

maybe but im 100% sure it doesnt make you do crazy things like you said.

From: SonOfSheep
Smoking pot definately has a negative effect on the brain. Not only does it inhibit learning and short term memory, it alters brain chemistry and kills brain cells. I have personally seen a very smart person turn very stupid from smoking pot over several years.

tell that to my A+'s and A's in year 12 chemistry and physics

From: The Claw
tell that to my A+'s and A's in year 12 chemistry and physics

:o, hmm interesting , you smoke pot?

From: NiCbaZ
:o, hmm interesting , you smoke pot?

Seems like everyone does on these forums >_<, but imho pot should be legal, need to get taxes off the stupid people who will smoke it anyway…

From: djcheater
It makes u paranoid my mate killed himself, coz he went crazy on it,

then someone else i knew tried stabbing his parents , all he did was smoke that dirty stuff!

so thats bulls**t when they say its harmless

one word for you.

lier.

fuck u , u fucking hoar!

From: djcheater
fuck u , u fucking hoar!

Wow o_o

From: oliver1205
one word for you.

lier.

Its prolly not best so say someone is a "lier" about something that serious…

From: djcheater
fuck u , u fucking hoar!

Oh, and lul @ your friend.

sems to be the ppl that dont smoke weed say its bad nd the ppl that do smoke it say its gd

y dont the people that have never tried it just shut up (sorry, but theres no polite way to put it imo)…..you cant make judgement of cannbis unless you have smoked it before

how can people say that it makes you go crazy if they have never tried it themselves ?
how do you know that people dont just blame there problems on the fact that they smoke weed ?

you cant judge it till youve tried it !

From: [-jesus-]

Oh, and lul @ your friend.

your mums a dirty hoar!

From: djcheater
your mums a dirty hoar!