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Well, if this article isn't the most wrong, prejudiced thing i've read in my 14 years then i really don't no what is. If you agree with this article, then please read what i am about to say and please open your eyes. This is the article.

http://caucasiannation.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/but-you-call-me-a-racist/

Now first of all the main point of this article is a bunch of assumptions. Lets spell out the word assume. ( ass - u - me ). So when you assume you make a - ass -out - of - you - and - me . This article goes on to assume minoritynamehere that "Nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-Nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chinks". witch adds up to blacks, Jews, Muslims, Mexicans, and Asians just to name a few. The article assumes that all of these races/religions are racists. It also assumes that there isn't a racists white person living on the world today.

To the people that only think black people when they read this and post the most smartassness thing ive read in my life " no one who had slaves is alive today !!!shift1 " lets look back at the 60's. In the 60's black people couldn't use the same water fountain as white people. I am pretty sure a lot of people from the 60's are alive today.

If you agree with this article think about when your watching BET. All your thinking is wtf wheres the white people. ( I don't really agree with BET either but its an example in the article, and I am here to show you how dumb you are if you agree with this. ) I have seen plenty of shows without minority's in them. Don't you think those people might think wheres insertminoritynamehere.

If you agree with this article open your eyes. Your just as racist and wrong as anybody else. Agreeing and supporting this bull shit won't help anything. If you agree with this article please read everything, and let's have a smart debate.


To show you that im not biased I am 75% white, and 25% Puerto Rican. If i could vote it would not be for Obama but for Mcain. The only thing Obama would be good at is selling used cars, but thats a different thread for a different day. I live in a working middle class area, and my city is a huge melting pot of every race imaginable.

well…."I'm not racist, I hate everybody equally"
thats my personal saying :)

I read the article, some of it is kinda true, but its taken far out of context…..
I mean…thats just a rant of a neo-nazi, go watch American History X itsa good movie

I think people have a natural, inborn instinct to associate with people that look like them. That doesn't make them a racist, it just makes them a human being. Decades ago most people were raised to reinforce those instincts, so that they became cultural norms. Today some kids are still being raised that way, whether caucasian, black, brown, yellow, whatever. But I would say that most people now are being raised to try to suppress and overcome their natural instincts and be more inclusive.

Black people were oppressed, no doubt. But many, many other groups have been as well. Native Americans were the first slaves to Europeans here on this continent, and they had their entire continent stolen from them by force or trickery. The Irish were viewed as sub-human when they came flocking here after the potato famine, as were the Chinese labor used to build the transatlantic railroad. Religious groups have been severely persecuted, like the Mormons who had a government extermination order enacted against them, and were subjected to numerous barbaric attacks by mobs organized into government militias.

So I really think there's enough persecution and prejudice to go around.

What bothers me most is actually the ease with which people throw the 'racist' term around. I think it's really an unfair attack on someone. People usually can't defend themselves because it's an attack on their beliefs or motives, rather than their outward actions. It's very difficult to prove, and it's very difficult to disprove, and it can be very damaging to people, so I think it should be used much less. I think calling someone a 'racist' is the moral equivalent of calling someone the "N" word, just in reverse.

From: tarajunky
I think people have a natural, inborn instinct to associate with people that look like them. That doesn't make them a racist, it just makes them a human being.

yes, that is quite true, I read about it in my psychology class (college level)
If need be, I could go and look for it, and take some screenies of the online text book. But that pretty much summarizes the lesson. It's instilled in us at an early age, pretty much a survival mechanism, so if someone who doesn't look like someone we know tries to take our baby selves, we would throw a fit.

From: tarajunky
I think people have a natural, inborn instinct to associate with people that look like them. That doesn't make them a racist, it just makes them a human being. Decades ago most people were raised to reinforce those instincts, so that they became cultural norms. Today some kids are still being raised that way, whether caucasian, black, brown, yellow, whatever. But I would say that most people now are being raised to try to suppress and overcome their natural instincts and be more inclusive.

Black people were oppressed, no doubt. But many, many other groups have been as well. Native Americans were the first slaves to Europeans here on this continent, and they had their entire continent stolen from them by force or trickery. The Irish were viewed as sub-human when they came flocking here after the potato famine, as were the Chinese labor used to build the transatlantic railroad. Religious groups have been severely persecuted, like the Mormons who had a government extermination order enacted against them, and were subjected to numerous barbaric attacks by mobs organized into government militias.

So I really think there's enough persecution and prejudice to go around.

What bothers me most is actually the ease with which people throw the 'racist' term around. I think it's really an unfair attack on someone. People usually can't defend themselves because it's an attack on their beliefs or motives, rather than their outward actions. It's very difficult to prove, and it's very difficult to disprove, and it can be very damaging to people, so I think it should be used much less. I think calling someone a 'racist' is the moral equivalent of calling someone the "N" word, just in reverse.

Yes, but we are in a time and age, where we should overcome those instincts. This article puts down every race imaginable expect for pure white. jews, asains, blacks etc.

its also impossible for women to be sexist.

ghettos arnt dangeous because of black people, they are dangerous because of unemplyoment and simply no money going through the area.
if it was a ghetto of white people or any other people, it would be the same.

instinct isnt an excuse, its instinct to reproduce, so why do most people wear condoms?

I don't think I'm much of a racist, but I can be if I'm given a reason, for example gypsies which happen to piss me off on daily basis by asking to borrow something or just call me gay for some reason, if they actually go to school to do other things than eat the free food and walk around the hallways going through other peoples jackets. And they've stolen from me and many people I know, so I'm kind of racist againts them, but it's only because all of them are like that.. But generally I don't call people "n***ers" or some other racist names..

But still, I'm not 100% sure why only white people can be racist, but I don't even really care, as I'm not one, atleast I don't think I am, and generally people from other countries and cultures are nice people and don't cause trouble around here.

From: Yakman

its also impossible for women to be sexist.

ghettos arnt dangeous because of black people, they are dangerous because of unemplyoment and simply no money going through the area.
if it was a ghetto of white people or any other people, it would be the same.

instinct isnt an excuse, its instinct to reproduce, so why do most people wear condoms?

I love reading your posts in this section =)

From: GoF
I don't think I'm much of a racist, but I can be if I'm given a reason, for example gypsies which happen to piss me off on daily basis by asking to borrow something or just call me gay for some reason, if they actually go to school to do other things than eat the free food and walk around the hallways going through other peoples jackets. And they've stolen from me and many people I know, so I'm kind of racist againts them, but it's only because all of them are like that.. But generally I don't call people "n***ers" or some other racist names..

But still, I'm not 100% sure why only white people can be racist, but I don't even really care, as I'm not one, atleast I don't think I am, and generally people from other countries and cultures are nice people and don't cause trouble around here.



I love reading your posts in this section =)

thats not true at all. any race can be raicsts. this just happens to be an article i found.

From: Yakman
instinct isnt an excuse, its instinct to reproduce, so why do most people wear condoms?

No, the instinct is to have sex. The reproduction part takes care of itself.

It's instinctual for men to sleep around and cheat on their wives/girlfriends. That doesn't make every man an adulterer, though.

Going around calling every man a cheater and an adulterer because they have instincts doesn't accomplish anything. Just like going around calling people racist because they have an instinct is unfair and counter-productive.

If someone is overtly racist through their words or actions, then call them a racist. But don't pre-judge people. That's no better than a white supremacist pre-judging a black person. I see more blacks showing prejudice against whites by calling them racist than the other way around. Perhaps that's because for some strange reason it's culturally acceptable, but it's not a good thing.

From: tarajunky
No, the instinct is to have sex. The reproduction part takes care of itself.

It's instinctual for men to sleep around and cheat on their wives/girlfriends. That doesn't make every man an adulterer, though.

Going around calling every man a cheater and an adulterer because they have instincts doesn't accomplish anything. Just like going around calling people racist because they have an instinct is unfair and counter-productive.

If someone is overtly racist through their words or actions, then call them a racist. But don't pre-judge people. That's no better than a white supremacist pre-judging a black person. I see more blacks showing prejudice against whites by calling them racist than the other way around. Perhaps that's because for some strange reason it's culturally acceptable, but it's not a good thing.

I am not calling people racists because I have instincts. Did you read the article? I'm calling everyone who agrees with that article racists. That article not only puts down blacks, but jews, middle eastern people, mexicans, and asians and every race imaginable that isn't pure white.

this article also acts like white people aren't drug dealers, carjackers, etc. There are some crazy white people out there too, not just mexicans, blacks, etc.

There's no excuse for using hateful racial epithets like he does. He's arguing like a child. His point seems to be that there is an unfair double standard when it comes to using racial epithets, and perhaps this is true. But it seems that he wants to call other people these names and get away with it. That's just stupid and racist.

All these terms should be as stigmatized as the N word. If there is a double standard for calling some people racist and excusing other people for similar behavior, that should be changed. But this is not the way to go about arguing for it.

From: tarajunky
There's no excuse for using hateful racial epithets like he does. He's arguing like a child. His point seems to be that there is an unfair double standard when it comes to using racial epithets, and perhaps this is true. But it seems that he wants to call other people these names and get away with it. That's just stupid and racist.

All these terms should be as stigmatized as the N word. If there is a double standard for calling some people racist and excusing other people for similar behavior, that should be changed. But this is not the way to go about arguing for it.

i agree with you. but, what do you mean " this is not the way to go about arguing for it ".

So?



Just ask yourself that. Why does it matter? Once we get that out of the way, then we can go on with this.

From: R0b0t1
So?



Just ask yourself that. Why does it matter? Once we get that out of the way, then we can go on with this.

it matters because its wrong….

From: R0b0t1
So?



Just ask yourself that. Why does it matter? Once we get that out of the way, then we can go on with this.

It does matter.

I've seen people change just because of stereotypical comments or racists terms used against them. And when i mean change, i MEAN change. Their actions and their mere way of living changes. Things such as the way they talk, walk, or the way they view their own heritage completely changes. I've had friends who no longer speak their own native languages just because of this.

I'd provide a specific example to further my point but it would turn into an essay so i'd rather not give a detailed explanation.


*and remember reading somewhere that,technically, you can only be racist if you are of a majority race and "whites" seem to be of that race in the US…however, its been demographically proven that Hispanics have surpassed the population of Whites in the US. Dont remember where i read it from but it's definitely true.

P.S. i'm of asain descent so dont call me a racist :D

From: legendaryhero90
It does matter.

I've seen people change just because of stereotypical comments or racists terms used against them. And when i mean change, i MEAN change. Their actions and their mere way of living changes. Things such as the way they talk, walk, or the way they view their own heritage completely changes. I've had friends who no longer speak their own native languages just because of this.

I'd provide a specific example to further my point but it would turn into an essay so i'd rather not give a detailed explanation.


*and remember reading somewhere that,technically, you can only be racist if you are of a majority race and "whites" seem to be of that race in the US…however, its been demographically proven that Hispanics have surpassed the population of Whites in the US. Dont remember where i read it from but it's definitely true.

P.S. i'm of asain descent so dont call me a racist :D

im not saying its only white people that can be racists. if i found an article with any other race i would post it and argue against it.

This article is true and just. Why should there be double standards for different races?

For example, how come I am not called Caucasian American?

And you know that If there was a mens history month of White History month, that would be sexist/racist

And if there only was a white college, wouldn't they be called racist?

How come there is Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, African American Chamber of Commerce, and just the Plain old chamber of commerce ….. Wonder who runs that?

So yes, this article is pertinent and makes good points. A must read for anyone that wants to call anyone else racist.

From: ba3
This article is true and just. Why should there be double standards for different races?

For example, how come I am not called Caucasian American?

And you know that If there was a mens history month of White History month, that would be sexist/racist

And if there only was a white college, wouldn't they be called racist?

How come there is Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, African American Chamber of Commerce, and just the Plain old chamber of commerce ….. Wonder who runs that?

So yes, this article is pertinent and makes good points. A must read for anyone that wants to call anyone else racist.

im sorry but your full of shit. who said it would be racist? name me some body who said it would be racist. you can't.

but if you want to play this game ( i really don't but if you want to i will ).
up until about 40 years ago, black people couldn't use the same WATER FOUNTAIN as white people. or the SAME BATHROOM. or the same RESTAURANT.

when the Irish came here after the potato famine they were treated like the dirt on the bottom of some body's shoe. they were the ones stuck with jobs like rebuilding the roads.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3844699896127381386&q=neo+nazi
watch that documentary on skinheads.

when people first came to American the Native Americans were TRICKED and kicked out by the white man. we stole their country and turned it into what it is now. so are you going to say it's raicsts because they are the only ones that can get casinos?

i said i didn't want to play this game but if you want to, i will.

From: oliver1205
this article also acts like white people aren't drug dealers, carjackers, etc. There are some crazy white people out there too, not just mexicans, blacks, etc.

It's probably the image given to people by hmm.. Let's blame it on the media?

Around here most criminals are white and other races don't cause much trouble, except for romanians (correct term? or are they just gypsies or :confused: ) and in Helsinki there's alot of useless somalians that live off of the social security and do crimes, I think some have even been sent back to somalia cause they couldn't act like normal people here..

From: GoF
It's probably the image given to people by hmm.. Let's blame it on the media?

Around here most criminals are white and other races don't cause much trouble, except for romanians (correct term? or are they just gypsies or :confused: ) and in Helsinki there's alot of useless somalians that live off of the social security and do crimes, I think some have even been sent back to somalia cause they couldn't act like normal people here..

Exactly.. I get atleast 2 - 3 somalians fucking with me EVERYWEEK… last week the one i remember very well and which was pretty funny he said something like this:
( in Finnish: Mitä vittua sä teet? Tunnen puol kaupunkii, Yks puhelu!)
What the fuck are you doing? I know half town. One phone call.

I answered:
(finnish : jahas, on sulla vittu hyvä numero palvelu. … (myöhemmin) mitennii oon rasisti onhan mulla väri telkkari ..)

right, you have a good service number ( u call and u give name etc and they give phone nr.) later … after we fought a bit..
Wtf u call me a rasist. I have a colour TV!

gypsies.. they're the REAL problem i think.. They're always showing off how high they can kick etc..

there was this one gypsy he tried to kick me in the head i went a little back grabbed his foot and flipped him over (we were standing on ice) he hit his backhead in the ice and started bleeding. One hard kick to the ribs and he was done.

mostly drunk when i do this but w/e

From: JuKKa
Exactly.. I get atleast 2 - 3 somalians fucking with me EVERYWEEK…

Mmmm… I have the same problem with gypsies :p It's sad how people act like that although they're offered a better place to live, work, school etc. Extremely disrespectful and kind of like backstabbing in my opinion, and that kind of people are the reason why some people tend to be racistic.

From: GoF
Mmmm… I have the same problem with gypsies :p It's sad how people act like that although they're offered a better place to live, work, school etc. Extremely disrespectful and kind of like backstabbing in my opinion, and that kind of people are the reason why some people tend to be racistic.

Gypsies are annoying though. You do something to one gypsy and u have the whole family after u.

The word gypped is still part of the normal English vocabulary because gypsies had such a reputation for stealing, cheating, and defrauding people through the years.

The article to me comes off as pretty pro-racism, but a lot of it is true. It doesn't matter who you are, or who you're against. Racism isn't good. If you hate another group because of they ethnicity you are a raciest no matter what race you are.

What I believe was true :

It's wrong to be raciest against anyone with the exception of white people?
"Nigger" and "Cracker" are about the same word, but only for different races. Why is Nigger raciest and Cracker isn't? Aren't they people too who deserve to be treated fairly? Black people WERE oppressed in the past, but that doesn't give them a right to be raciest against other people of any race. An eye for an eye only ends in the world being blind.

Slavery is OVER. Unless someone walks up to a black guy and tries to buy him you can't blame present day people for slavery. I've seen age 20ish people (One white and one black) where the black guy was yelling at the white one for slavery. Neither one of them was alive then, the white guy doesn't own slaves so how is slavery his fault?

Other than that it's just raciest. The article seems to believe that white people are some sort of master race above all kinds of crime, which isn't true at all. In one of my textbooks there is a chart of races that get arrested, and white people are in the lead.

If the article had admitted to white people doing anything wrong it could have been more effective. Instead of pointing out the few facts it has in an intelligent manner it seems to be more interested in attacking people of other races with stereotypes. They way a ghetto is has nothing to do with the race of the people, black people are not the only people who commit crimes, and it's pretty well misinformed on the million man march.

(Okay, I'm getting tired of ranting about racism. I assume you get my point by now.)

From: richk1693
(Okay, I'm getting tired of ranting about racism. I assume you get my point by now.)

I'm afraid I don't :confused: Mind explaining?

Theres a video on youtube, which explains racism in Finland and the problem. Mostly skinheads history etc. stuff like that, but too bad its in Finish. So most of u wont understand. Also a good racism band is: Mistreat.

The article brings up good points, though in a traditional "white" way. In this modern age, people (though mainly white people) are terrified of being called racist. I'm sure that if there was a 'white pride month' then no one would have a problem with it, but people are just too afraid to be called racist to do it. It's very similar to people saying Christmas isn't politically correct and offensive to people who don't celebrate Christmas, even though the whole origin of it was an article written by a Caucasian writer born and raised in Oxford (a very posh, mainly white area in England) and there were also a few surveys with the conclusions being that people who didn't celebrate Christmas thought it was stupid and shops etc should be able to put up Christmas decorations if they want and that it wasn't racist at all.
In conclusion: The article has "good" points, but is very biased in it's view and contorts information unfairly to support his radical view.