SRL Archive - News and General

Ever heard the quote "Shoot for the Moon, even if you miss, you will land among the Stars"? So what are on these Stars? What is on this Moon? What do you gain from Shooting, what do you have to do to gain respect from it? For the fourth question, the answer is "Apply."

When SMART was made public, you know, it isn't really my business. It isn't my place to say what does or does not happen with the selection, I don't even handle it. When you were shooting for the Stars, were you shooting for SMART, or were you shooting for the great unknown, the great SRL Members?

What is it that is left for this SRL Members society? When this SMART was released, the first thing that popped into my head was that of the 'unexpected,' which gives lawyers such trouble when they're causing problems.

If you haven't guessed what I'm suggesting now, it's that SRL Members, theres nothing really left. Theres no pride in it, except having a yellow name and being occasionally looked up to by Greens and Teals. Our pride was being so trusted, that we would be given a program like SMART, even if I don't use it, even if I don't plan to use it, I'll be frank. I'm disgusted.

Now that we have lost our pride of being so trusted, what happens to the quality of SRL Members? There are only about 25 of us active? Maybe this was intended, I don't know. Wizzup and Fakawi have always been generous with their votes, maybe they figured we had too much pride being trusted with the work of Benland?

Regardless, I will make you four predictions…
SRL Members will grow, it will take only that which is in the beginners section to get in. There will be no creativity required, no sign of critical thinking.
SRL Members will no longer be trusted as they one were, since the selection will grow from 25 people to a liberal selection. As result from the liberal selection, no new material will be introduced to SRL Members…
Should there be no revision 'style' (Members and Nonmembers), then when SRL can solve everything as a normal player(Give it time.) SRL will be iBots 'farming' superior.
Jagex will crackdown further on RS Players.

This is my ten cents, love it or not. I'd put this in the BBQ Pit, but why tell the public SRL Members has just about nothing left? To encourage people to Shoot for the Moon?

when you applied for SRL members did you apply to get SMART or did you apply because you wanted to be a SRL member.

edit: i wanted to write a whole long thing but that never happened.

edit2: why is there no pride in Members? i dont understand that point.

From: XcanadamanX
when you applied for SRL members did you apply to get SMART or did you apply because you wanted to be a SRL member.

I wanted to see what little I was worth. What about you?

i applied because i wanted to be recognized and looked up to as a SRL Member. i wanted to be part of the community.

edit: another thing, before SMART was created or handed down to members, what did the members have to look up to getting in members? i say the pride of being a member.

From: XcanadamanX
i applied because i wanted to be recognized and looked up to as a SRL Member. i wanted to be part of the community.

edit: another thing, before SMART was created or handed down to members, what did the members have to look up to getting in members? i say the pride of being a member.

Will you be looked up to when the selection becomes as liberal as it will? I thought the average used to be '3 per month,' sometimes? We already got one kid who doesn't know variables, RadialRoadWalk, or if thens and he's already got over 50%..with half the community voting.

edit:SMART is private information. No one is really shooting for SMART, because everyone is on the stars now…SRL Members has been very inactive, most scripts are posted in the Junior Section. I was actually sort of disappointed when I saw this. Whats left to protect?

i dont see how this (SMART release) will change anything. the only thing different is that now we can use our computers while autoing.

why wont i be looked up to. i can still script and there are still people that want to script

From: XcanadamanX
i dont see how this (SMART release) will change anything. the only thing different is that now we can use our computers while autoing.

why wont i be looked up to. i can still script and there are still people that want to script

"April showers bring Mayflowers, and what do Mayflowers bring?" I'm saying the value of having a yellow name is dropping, just like the value of U.S. Currency. Now do you see what I'm saying?

From: JackLKrawl
"April showers bring Mayflowers, and what do Mayflowers bring?" I'm saying the value of having a yellow name is dropping, just like the value of U.S. Currency. Now do you see what I'm saying?

may flowers bring seeds for next years flowers:p no i dont understand at all. the value hasnt changed. just your point of view.

From: XcanadamanX
may flowers bring seeds for next years flowers:p no i dont understand at all. the value hasnt changed. just your point of view.

Then watch and see.

I 100% agree with you. SRL junior members have nothing good to shoot for anymore.

Once, SRL member meant recognition/reputation, better scripts/more intelligent discussion, and SRL member privileges such as SMART.

Now, scripts are being leaked everywhere, the conversation is degrading, SMART has been released. SRL Member status doesn't even mean anything anymore as some of the current SRL member are degrading the status.

The name of SRL is slowly being dragged through the mud. Its a shame to see

Sorry to say it to ya'll, but wrong points. I couldn't say it better than how Xcan is doing it.

When I applied, I didn't know about SMART. Heck, it wasn't even out. I applied to get recognized - to be a part of something bigger.
So those who wouldn't apply now (if they were Junior Members) are people who want in for the wrong reasons and can't see further than their own nose.

-Knives

Counter Attack!

1) What goes up must come down;

2) You're bound to hit something zooming through space.

From: King of Knives
Sorry to say it to ya'll, but wrong points. I couldn't say it better than how Xcan is doing it.

When I applied, I didn't know about SMART. Heck, it wasn't even out. I applied to get recognized - to be a part of something bigger.
So those who wouldn't apply now (if they were Junior Members) are people who want in for the wrong reasons and can't see further than their own nose.

-Knives

Reread. I'm saying that SRL Members is losing its point and pride.

SRL was once about teaching people how to script; about educating the community.

When a RS player came to SRL to find "cheats", he had to work his way up a ladder to download the better cheats. The only way he could work his way up? Follow our rules, learn about scripting, create something for the community.

Now all people have to do is download SRL. Once again, we are providing scripts and tool for people to cheat and they are giving nothing in return. We are not helping to educate them anymore; we are providing cheats and they are taking them. Psychology experiments have shown that people work so much better when incentives are given to them, they contribute more and that is better for our community.

Now leechers don't even have to follow the rules, and they get all of the top stuff. There is no incentive for them to learn if they are RS cheaters (which is about 80+% of the community), only if they actually come to SRL to learn how to program.

Well, then ask to be dememberized? Oh wait, you dont want to? You see, there still is something left that wants you to become/stay an srl member. How about you make something like smart and make srl member something worthfull instead of complaining?

From: Killerdou
Well, then ask to be dememberized? Oh wait, you dont want to? You see, there still is something left that wants you to become/stay an srl member. How about you make something like smart and make srl member something worthfull instead of complaining?

Thats for the admins decide. Honestly, I think it would be for the positive considering how much time I spend talking and having fun with this community.
82% activity?
Edit:
"The grass is always greener on the other side."
Thats how it should be…
Anyway, to answer the question thoroughly.
You know, my computer is broken. Theres not much I can do with SCAR, at this point, I'm only here to chat. You might as well, I will be useful until I can get this fixed. As for the rest, I'll start off by saying I don't like your attitude. SMART wasn't made with the SCAR programming language, I'm not at that level yet, and I certainly won't get to that level by staying with the SCAR Tutorials…
So I'll do you one more killer. Ban me for three years, but let my sister have another account. I'll do just as you suggested, give members the pride that was taken away.

alot of you new people dont no this but smart hasnt been out more then a few months….

Sorry but how is it losing its point? Because we decided to release SMART to the whole world? Instead of just giving it to you guys? You still have the SRL Member scripts, the help section which gets better responses than in the free section, as well as all the other forums. If you applied to just get SMART, maybe you shouldnt be here at all…

Dude/Gal you are totally wrong, you should be enjoying members, appreciate it! We did not apply for SMART, and there is no reason that you should suddenly decide that your rank is worthless. Leave if you want, but think of when we get to test something else before its released to everyone yea? Here we have our own special forum for discussions, with out all the nooby errors and such. AND, incase you forgot, we do actually have access to extra scripts, thought I don't know how many people use them lol, I have never even visited the mem scripts board. The jnr mems will always prefer a script by a member than anothr jnr yea? That is one of the best blessings we can have.

Stop being so stuck-up.

SRL members existed long before SMART :rolleyes:

I suggest the next person who posts reads the first post.

:fiery: I DID. And your saying about how members will grow? There is constant talk about culling them! So I hardly think that will eventually happen.

Read harder..

Ughhhhh…. I didn't know about smart when i applied. I applied so that the community would look up to me. Heck, I never even used smart. I have a different perspective. I think that it shouldn't have gotten released because it would get abused. Now that it is released, I am making my speculation.

Cut em2 it

Edit: You make one good point, we are not trusted anymore. I applied to try out a beta version of "rsbot", a bot made by speljohan (from sythe) I noted in the app that I was an SRL Member. Declined. Ummmm? Heck, if I ever do get it, I will leak it to the community for not trusting an SRL Member.

I personally joined to have the yellow name. And you talk like we have nothing left. The scripts in the members section are a ton better than the juniors forum. Tara's scripts, Wizzup's VEM, Fakawi's Hunter scripts. Name scripts that even come close to paralleling those.

Ok, what do we (meaning SRL Members) have left that Registered Users Don't?

• More responsive help section.
• More intelligent people (although personally I do think it is declining ;)).
• Better scripts.
• Less pointless topics.
• More say in what happens in the community.

Personally I think your upset most likely because you don't feel as "Special" as you did before.

Also for the not being accepted to test something…

From: cut em2 it

I noted in the app that I was an SRL Member. Declined. Ummmm? Heck, if I ever do get it, I will leak it to the community for not trusting an SRL Member.

Heck, if I ever do get it, I will leak it to the community for not trusting an SRL Member.

And you wonder why they don't trust some of us? Also what if they don't want some random person to help test something, or they're already full on testers? Now your just being egotistical.

EDIT: Why did I want to become an SRL Member? Because I wanted to be someone, I wanted to be looked up to and asked for help. I wanted to be apart of a group of individuals like yourselves, but from what I'm beginning to see maybe that last part was just a misunderstanding of who these people where.

I don't personally like the fact that SMART was given to the public. (See my thread in the BBQ Pit) However I don't believe there is anything less about SRL Membership because of this. I don't know about you people but I applied to SRL Members to prove that I wasn't just a leacher, and that I can do something. I wanted to prove that I can script, and that I'm not just another script snagger.

When I got into SRL members I found out about smart and about all the drama to go with it. I found the quote in my sig, and it was amazing to me. It made me feel as though I've achieved something great by getting into SRL members; That I am now a highly trusted and worthy member of the forums. The release of SMART has stricken my favorite quote on the forums of its meaning.

However people can't get to upset about it. SRL membership still proves that we are set apart from the general public as people who know how to script, people who are generally trustworthy and good. The fact that we no longer have our "Exclusive" program doesn't change what the SRL Members are.

I agree with you too; It was very silly to release it.

This all depends on what you are here for. The releasing of SMART has not changed my view at all on the community. I enjoy being here as well as teaching the newcomers how to script. I just enjoy scripting in general and just because we lost a bonus to becoming a SRL member, who cares?

People will want to become SRL members for the same reasons all of us became members. They will want to contribute to the community and script, not to see all the cool extras for being a member…they will do it for their own desire.

If you want to create more things for the junior membs to shoot for, then write some kickass SRL members only scripts, or create something really sweet that no one has even thought of yet. ;)

From: gerauchert
If you want to create more things for the junior membs to shoot for, then write some kickass SRL members only scripts, or create something really sweet that no one has even thought of yet. ;)

Exactly. Instead of being depressed that we lost one "Members Only" thing let's make up for it. We are the SRL Members, and we should all have good scripting knowledge. We can make content that is worthy of praise for SRL Members only.

Don't mourn the loss of SMART, everyone should make things that will allow SRL Members to have amazing content.

Sorry special ed. My temper got the best of me. ;) I really do believe that people don't know about us. They think we are mere scammers. SRL Members have to gain morale for something. We have to band together to make SRL Members important. That's all I have to say.

OHHhh my god, you people try to read and understand what I'm thinking and saying. This is why I told Frozen to reread twice…

For those of you who just can't seem to get it, I don't play RS. I'm almost completely unassociated with it except for when I get online to talk with old friends, and for when I try to script, even with a broken computer.

The reason I am 'upset' is because there was an +SRL-Members 'Jewel' that people were so worried about leaks, now theres nothing left to leak, and theres already an application where some kids getting in for not knowing standards, variables, or pretty much anything else except that which I am sure he posted about in the scripting help section.

I am upset because SRL-Members is no longer what it's 'Cracked up to be.' Do you understand now?
@Cut em, I'm not even reading your posts from now on. That last one you just wrote was dumb.

Well seeing as how we've all responded to something you put in your first post I don't understand what your going on about. If you think there's a problem with applications you should made a thread about that rather than complaining about the SMART release.

I've always thought that getting into SRL Members has gotten easier and easier and it may be because it has, but it also may be because I've (we've) become better scripters. I haven't looked / voted on apps in a while but it looks like I should probably start doing that again so we can bring the SRL status quo back up eh?

I think this conversation is going nowhere at all. I aknowledged that you have a point but you still shot me down. Why did you come here if you don't play RS? I completely understand that you posted it here, because, just like you said, there is no reason to be in SRL Members anymore. The only reason is to have fun now and be looked up to. I don't understand why you leave now then if you have such a strong feeling there is no reason to be in SRL Members.

Cut em2 it

From: Hugolord
SRL members existed long before SMART :rolleyes:

yeah thats the point im trying to make. smart hasnt been here for ever. we survied before and we surived now. dont be greedy…

From: Special Ed
Ok, what do we (meaning SRL Members) have left that Registered Users Don't?

• More responsive help section.
• More intelligent people (although personally I do think it is declining ;)).
• Better scripts.
• Less pointless topics.
• More say in what happens in the community.

Personally I think your upset most likely because you don't feel as "Special" as you did before.

OK yes we have a more responsive help section, but is it really needed? Surely members who are learning to script should be able to access all help sections ot them so they can use our search feature and find questionsto advancedproblems they are having. Who ever thought of a help section which people who are trying to learn can't access? Sounds like it is there so SRL members can askfor help without seeming like fools to the Junior SRL members who see them post.

The intelligence of the people is rapidly declining. We have people who are actively saying they will leak stuff, and spam is taking over the forums greatly. I haven't seen a high quality post exculsive to the SRL member section for a while.

The scripts will all be leaked eventually. Inevitable. It just means the leechers can't post decentprogress reports to us without being accused of leching andbeing banned. Really, it is our loss.

See point 2.

We actually get very little say. Did we vote on whether we should release SMART? Do any of our functions ever get put into SRL? very rarely. SSRL + get the say on what is happening. Maybe you cannot distinguish between the 2 because you are one.

and being an SRL member is supposed to be about feeling special. Thats what being a SRL member is all about; being respected and trusted. It is not the case anymore.

Everything isn't about what we have or don't.

We still have the pride you talked about.

Don't you know how much of pride or whatever it is, that unknown people, that owe you nothing, decide to accept you to their "level" or gang or group?

Seriously, even if it was only the yellow nickname, it holds much more beyond it than just the color of it!

From: JackLKrawl
OHHhh my god, you people try to read and understand what I'm thinking and saying. This is why I told Frozen to reread twice…

For those of you who just can't seem to get it, I don't play RS. I'm almost completely unassociated with it except for when I get online to talk with old friends, and for when I try to script, even with a broken computer.

The reason I am 'upset' is because there was an +SRL-Members 'Jewel' that people were so worried about leaks, now theres nothing left to leak, and theres already an application where some kids getting in for not knowing standards, variables, or pretty much anything else except that which I am sure he posted about in the scripting help section.

I am upset because SRL-Members is no longer what it's 'Cracked up to be.' Do you understand now?
@Cut em, I'm not even reading your posts from now on. That last one you just wrote was dumb.

I dont believe you applied to members with the knowledge of having SMART so there is no "Cracked up to be." because all you should have known is you would get more scripts. Releasing SMART to the public gives us a better community because instead of using the other bots b/c they could minimize now 'our' public community has the option and will come here now instead.

and if its not 'Cracked up to be.' then why dont you stop crying about benland and the admins choice to release it public and make something even better, then YOU have the ultimate decision in releasing? so that it can be wat its 'Cracked up to be.'

we just got SMART a couple months ago if even that so its not like SRL Member had it that long, so if you would have applied and SMART was NOT here you would have made a thread saying 'This isn't what it's 'Cracked up to be.'' or what? there still is the pride in being an SRL Member.

From: Daniel.Blaze
and being an SRL member is supposed to be about feeling special. Thats what being a SRL member is all about; being respected and trusted. It is not the case anymore.

your not a good SRL Member then that is all that is to it, why even come here and BOTHER us with your presence if you don't believe there is any trust or respect here, that is what a community 'above' the others is suppose to be

I have always been in favor of elite scripts being kept in the members section. Mine will always be there. Of course, some people are more in it for recognition and want their scripts open to leechers so it gets used more. That's their prerogative, but I think it's a mistake.

I can understand someone not wanting to post a script in members at first because they may get less feedback there. But once a script is more stable, leaving it out there for leechers doesn't really accomplish anything but to stroke the ego.

I hear a lot of people complain about SRL Members not meaning anything, and then some of those same people post all their scripts to the leecher sections. It always makes me shake my head in disbelief.

There still is a "jewel", but you're blind to it. And, oddly enough, you'll only be able to see when you get over the release of SMART.

I've never used it, I don't really care that it was released. But I'm still proud to be a member?

Everyone that talks about great scripts in the Members section…how many of those are there? Better yet, how many are used? 3 script: Wizzup's VEM, Tara's ChickenKiller and LAME. So now, all that's in SRL Members are 3 scripts and we get things released to us a couple of months earlier than registered users.

More intelligent conversation? 'Hehe'. Intelligence in SRL Members is going down, badly. Most of the applications we receive now, people say: 'Oh yes, it's better than my application, so I'll give you a yes'.

As for less pointless topics…I agree with you, but we still look through the Free section. SRL Members is too inactive for us to spend time in SRL Members section only, and neglect the Free section.

I agree that SRL membership is what its cracked up to be regarding actually getting "stuff", but if people are so concerned with that then they need not apply.

Part of the problem is people tell all teh leechers that SRL members is sooo sweeet and you get all these awesome scripts and *more* … not really true anymore considering what tara said about not releasing any members only scripts. Dont spread false hopes to people who are only interested in getting more and not helping out the community.

People who are interested in the community more than what they are going to "get" should become SRL members, not the people who are just looking for the cool "extras". If you feel we need the "extras" then start making kickass members only scripts or making really sweet add ons.

So sick of this whining about how SRL members isnt good enough anymore. Leave if it isnt good enough for you. *sigh*

From: cut em2 it
Ughhhhh…. I didn't know about smart when i applied. I applied so that the community would look up to me. Heck, I never even used smart. I have a different perspective. I think that it shouldn't have gotten released because it would get abused. Now that it is released, I am making my speculation.

Cut em2 it

Edit: You make one good point, we are not trusted anymore. I applied to try out a beta version of "rsbot", a bot made by speljohan (from sythe) I noted in the app that I was an SRL Member. Declined. Ummmm? Heck, if I ever do get it, I will leak it to the community for not trusting an SRL Member.

That's not the kind of attitude/maturity we need :rolleyes:

Yes I understand *looks up to Hugolord like my parent* My temper got the best of me. I don't think leechers should abuse smart. Remember, the last thing we want is for SRL people to auto on level 3's. We also don't want to turn into RS Demon kind of thing ;)

Cut em2 it

From: Santa_Clause
Everyone that talks about great scripts in the Members section…how many of those are there? Better yet, how many are used? 3 script: Wizzup's VEM, Tara's ChickenKiller and LAME. So now, all that's in SRL Members are 3 scripts and we get things released to us a couple of months earlier than registered users.

SL Variable Yew Cutter is another dont forget that for sure

From: HyperSecret

your not a good SRL Member then that is all that is to it, why even come here and BOTHER us with your presence if you don't believe there is any trust or respect here, that is what a community 'above' the others is suppose to be

Couldn't quite understand that, but here is the answer to what i think you are saying.

I'm here because I like the community, regardless of whether there is trust or respect. The people here are still nice. I am also here to learn some programming, not auto on Runescape. I would also like you to know that I did not apply for SRL member status, I was given it by WT-Fakawi. I never asked for it, but i appreciate him giving it to me.

So everything I say about SRL Members, i say in an unbiased way; more unbiased than most members anyway. I have nothing to gain or nothing to loose from SMART being released, i am simply stating my opinion. and my opinion is that releasing SMART is a bad idea. Now the leechers who are coming here because they want to auto on RS just have to download the program, run it and hey presto, they have 5 SMARTS on the go. SRL members have also declined as mentioned before as people are getting in who know very little about programming itself. and these are the people who are going to leak our so called private scripts to everyone else because they can, they get rewarded for it, they hate SRL etc.

SRL members and Junior SRL members are separated by nothing now except a few private general category boards. Scripts are everywhere, the trust and respect levels are the same, SRL members have no advantage over anyone anymore. That is what I hate to see, because SRL is the best community, and it shouldn't be destroyed from the inside.

and stop being condescending, it only makes you look bad.

I already said: The reason SMART was private was (most likely) to prevent mass autoing on runescape. That reason has been removed with the trade removal, thus the reason to keep SMART a secret has been removed. SRL was dying anyway, what reason was there to come here since the advent of junior members? OMFG! I have to wait a week! I better just buy Ibot and backcharge it and rape runescape for free.

From: Daniel.Blaze
OK yes we have a more responsive help section, but is it really needed? Surely members who are learning to script should be able to access all help sections ot them so they can use our search feature and find questionsto advancedproblems they are having. Who ever thought of a help section which people who are trying to learn can't access? Sounds like it is there so SRL members can askfor help without seeming like fools to the Junior SRL members who see them post.

The intelligence of the people is rapidly declining. We have people who are actively saying they will leak stuff, and spam is taking over the forums greatly. I haven't seen a high quality post exculsive to the SRL member section for a while.

The scripts will all be leaked eventually. Inevitable. It just means the leechers can't post decentprogress reports to us without being accused of leching andbeing banned. Really, it is our loss.

See point 2.

We actually get very little say. Did we vote on whether we should release SMART? Do any of our functions ever get put into SRL? very rarely. SSRL + get the say on what is happening. Maybe you cannot distinguish between the 2 because you are one.

and being an SRL member is supposed to be about feeling special. Thats what being a SRL member is all about; being respected and trusted. It is not the case anymore.

First of all the reason I say the help section in members is better is because there is a more concentrated amount of better scripters in the area which mean that a problem you have will most likely be solved sooner than in the Free section. Second, I do agree that the intelligence level and status quo of SRL Members is declining, but lucky for a lot of you, no changes where made. I've talked to some admins / other SRL Members about what we should do and frankly the only power there is to increase it is within us, the SRL Member population. As for scripts being leaked, that just goes back to who we let in to SRL.

As far as having a say in what is happening, maybe you haven't been around long enough to know of some of the things, and maybe you are just unaware of some things that you do decide that matter of. I know for a fact that admins and mods are a lot more cunning than they seem and may not directly ask the community "Do we want to do this?" but they can normally get a good and honest answer if they want.

it's fun to read this whole discussion. but here's what i think:
you think something is wrong do something about it. don't just sit, wait, and write about it. I agree with the way Tara does it, release the first version of the script out to public just to get it stable and then move it to members. The thing is there are many GREAT scripts out there for everyone, and if they were in members i'm sure more people would try to get in here, and more people would work hard for it. The Claw's every fish power fisher, was one script that i used for a while and it was amazing. MK's iron miner, Hy's cave runner, munks smelter, Xcan's smelter, Forefeathers, sporky's M.A.E, Ducels Air Crafter (and many others, don't feel offended if i didn't mention your script) these are all scripts that if they were in members some of those who feel like there's nothing left in here they would be all happy about it.

Now i have no intention of being mean to Jr. Members, i'd leave a crappier version of it in Jr M. Like a version with not as good walking, generally slower, messes up some stuff or has some limitation of any kind.

The problem of posting in members is we get the feeling it won't be used as much. Tara's scripts are in 4th and 6th place, and Wizzups VEM is in 9th, maybe not as much as they could be in Jr. Members they hell yeah they're used!

~RM

It's a conspiracy by the government.