SRL Archive - Senior News and General

Thanks for your continuing input on the subject guys. Here is what I think we should do:

Release SMART (V1) to the public.
Keep SMART (V2- Tilewalking) SSRL.

In that way, we are giving the audience a great bonus (Autoing while regaining control over your machine). It wont be neccesary to maintain SMART V1 (as long as Jagex dont change their webadresses). We can embed SMART V1 with SRL rev#10. That way there wont be any need for different typesend and activateclient fixes. Moreover we can put a stop to the ongoing discussion about leaking (though the next level will be leakage of V2… *sigh*)

SMART V2 will stay behind bars. TileWalking scripts will be for SSRL only.

I think this is a nice tradeoff. We can keep developing V2 scripts (arent many of those around yet…make me a firecrafter!) whilst the audience will be in awe for some time with SMART.

Please vote in the poll. If you vote But.. I expect a good reason :)

BTW: Ben is the only one that will have a decisive voice in this matter.

Hmm, I will have to think more about my vote. Definitely keep v2 in SSRL, that is to powerful to be leaked. But I like the idea of v1 being released, however their is runescape to consider, having that many people running at least 1 SMART all day is probably way more than what was happening before the release. Also, keeping it in the SRL member section gives the Junior members something to work towards as most of them know about SMART. I will sleep on my vote and give it out at another time.

I vote, yes. I've already explained my reasoning prior to the follow up.

Yes, but….

program New;
procedure SmartFPSH4x(fps : integer); external '_SetFPS@4@Smart.dll stdcall';
begin
smartsetup('nl3', false, true);
SmartFPSH4x(10);
end.

Fix that one first, then release a Smart v1 WITHOUT ANY FPS HACK SOURCE to pub, so no risk of some wizkid figuring out how to enable the FPS hack.

About Firecrafter, I made some colourwalking for it a while back, worked flawless. How does the fire altar look from the inside? Just like air or is it more like mind?
Smart v2 with tilewalking can safely stay behind bars. If we want tilewalking, we still got KYAB ;)

From: WT-Fakawi
(though the next level will be leakage of V2… *sigh*)

Nahhh

Everyone here is trustworthy enough.

Maybe with the exception of that Sumilion guy…he seems like a shifty character to me :p

But yeah, release v1 to the masses. Without any possibility of a FPS hack.

I guess releasing SMART would give people a new toy to play with. But I'm not sure it will accomplish a whole lot. Most people that left did so because of the new trade rules. If people are going to start autoing on fewer characters, SMART doesn't benefit them much. It allows them to auto while using their computer for other things, but they could do that just as well or better with a VM.

I think the potential for causing trouble is greater than the potential benefit.

I've posted my opinion already, on this thread. I moved it from developers to SSRL.

I see reasons for yes and no, so I'm not sure what to vote. I guess it depends on SRL's current goals. If we want to be about learning, we need something to work for. If we want to gain new users or being more popular than other cheating methods, we need something available to the public.

I like it.

V2 would be neat if released, would push the community to heights never seen before (partial lie; KYAB), on the other hand, it has a great potential to do damage, too.

Anyways, I'm fine with this, but I think the public release should be capped at a higher framerate, too. 80%?

If things go well, it could be lowered later on; since it will be distributed through SVN, it will be easy to change everyones' at once.


Side thought: SSRL SRL/smart.scar SVN? Now that there's so much we can do with V2, everyone is going to start to deviate in their includes. For example, I've implemented the new boxsolver, changed some minimap color checks (flag, etc) to IsMoving (, etc), and switched most of my walking to TPoints. Thus any scripts I release will need modification for others to run them. If we don't establish some sort of standard, whether a SVN copy, or a thread that someone's in charge of updating, all V2 scripts will be shared very little, slowing possible innovations.

From: Smartzkid
Side thought: SSRL SRL/smart.scar SVN? Now that there's so much we can do with V2, everyone is going to start to deviate in their includes. For example, I've implemented the new boxsolver, changed some minimap color checks (flag, etc) to IsMoving (, etc), and switched most of my walking to TPoints. Thus any scripts I release will need modification for others to run them. If we don't establish some sort of standard, whether a SVN copy, or a thread that someone's in charge of updating, all V2 scripts will be shared very little, slowing possible innovations.

Yup. I've been wanting to give you guys at least access to the SvN. But let's discuss that on an other topic. Not here. ;)

"SMART v1 Released To Public!"

What would happen if a title like that were to be in the Registered Users section? I think the easiest way to determine this is with a simple PROS / CONS list…

PROS

• Brings more people to SRL.
• Stops "leakers" from having anything over our heads.
• Keeps people occupied w/ something new.
• Gives some people a new reason to learn how to script.

CONS

• May bring "The Eye of Sauron" to us.
• Doesn't give Registered Users as much of a reason to get into SRL Members.
• Will cause a lot of hassle w/ people not understanding it.
• repeat LeecherCount:= LeecherCount + 1 until(false);
• People will inevitably try to sell it for RL Cash.

IDK but I think the PROS outweight the CONS but I think a few things need to happen to SMART before its released.

• BIG BOLD LETTERS SAYING "Free Software" & "By BenLand100 @ www.srl-forums.com".
• Framerate Increased… "Already Talked about".
• No Framerate Hax… "Already Talked about".
• Limit it so only 1 copy can run @ any given time.

I'm sure people have more things they'd like to add and some things they'd like to dispute but this is just "IMHO".

Perhaps embedded into SCAR, that would virtually ensure that no selling could be allowed

From: Special Ed
CONS

• May bring "The Eye of Sauron" to us.
• Doesn't give Registered Users as much of a reason to get into SRL Members.
• Will cause a lot of hassle w/ people not understanding it.
• repeat LeecherCount:= LeecherCount + 1 until(false);
• People will inevitably try to sell it for RL Cash.

Did you read my thread?
What we are achieving by releasing it is actually the opposite of selling it for RL Cash.
Selling for RL cash is what is happening, now.

From: Wizzup?
Did you read my thread?
What we are achieving by releasing it is actually the opposite of selling it for RL Cash. That is what is happening, now.

I know this, I'm just saying right when it is released someone "probably someone stupid" will get the bright idea… "Oh this is brand new and no one knows about it, lets see if I can sell it!". I know we're trying to prevent that, but I'm sure it will happen.

If they succeed in selling it IDK, probably not.

If we REALLy want to stop any selling of smart, release to pub and advertise at other forums.
And I don't want to see it in F4A, at least jr membs, maybe with little higher reqs (like 25 posts, 14 days registered).

From: WT-Fakawi
Thanks for your continuing input on the subject guys. Here is what I think we should do:

Release SMART (V1) to the public.
Keep SMART (V2- Tilewalking) SSRL.

In that way, we are giving the audience a great bonus (Autoing while regaining control over your machine). It wont be neccesary to maintain SMART V1 (as long as Jagex dont change their webadresses). We can embed SMART V1 with SRL rev#10. That way there wont be any need for different typesend and activateclient fixes. Moreover we can put a stop to the ongoing discussion about leaking (though the next level will be leakage of V2… *sigh*)

SMART V2 will stay behind bars. TileWalking scripts will be for SSRL only.

I think this is a nice tradeoff. We can keep developing V2 scripts (arent many of those around yet…make me a firecrafter!) whilst the audience will be in awe for some time with SMART.

Please vote in the poll. If you vote But.. I expect a good reason :)

BTW: Ben is the only one that will have a decisive voice in this matter.

All sounds good to me, I've got bigger fish to fry at the moment anyway ;)

From: BenLand100
All sounds good to me, I've got bigger fish to fry at the moment anyway ;)

Have you gotten yourself reordered then?

From: BenLand100
All sounds good to me, I've got bigger fish to fry at the moment anyway ;)

Yes! I was waiting for a responce from the Doctor…:) Will probably release this weekend, if I can find the time.

Aye, yes, no release until it's fixed, please.

# BIG BOLD LETTERS SAYING "Free Software" & "By BenLand100 @ www.srl-forums.com".
# Framerate Increased… "Already Talked about".
# No Framerate Hax… "Already Talked about".

Ah well, I dont want to push Benland100 to yet another release. If he wants to do that, fine, if he doesnt….also fine with me. I think the majority of the user will be happy with SMART the way it is now. Only some people will actually know about and use it. And even so, this wont do much harm, since cheating is rather dead anyways.

From: WT-Fakawi
since cheating is rather dead anyways.

No offense, I hate that attitude.

From: WT-Fakawi
Ah well, I dont want to push Benland100 to yet another release. If he wants to do that, fine, if he doesnt….also fine with me. I think the majority of the user will be happy with SMART the way it is now. Only some people will actually know about and use it. And even so, this wont do much harm, since cheating is rather dead anyways.

That way it's better to release it with an FPS bar. That little nifty piece of code could be sold… ;)

From: Bobarkinator
No offense, I hate that attitude.

your confusing attitude with a factual statement.

CONS

* May bring "The Eye of Sauron" to us.
* Doesn't give Registered Users as much of a reason to get into SRL Members.
* Will cause a lot of hassle w/ people not understanding it.
* repeat LeecherCount:= LeecherCount + 1 until(false);
* People will inevitably try to sell it for RL Cash.

- I guess Jagex might look at us more but I doubt it, cause as Fawki said cheating is pretty much dead. Jagex probably wont worry about a small minority of people still autoing since we dont really harm the RS community.
- No one is meant to know about it outside members anyway, people dont try to get into SRL Members to get SMART.
- Nah, leechers in the cheating scene are gone for good. The only people left autoing are the ones who do it for fun, not for profit like the leechers. What is there left to leech from RS?
- Covered by Wizzup.

From: Renax
your confusing attitude with a factual statement.

The attitude is that one of the leaders at the best rs cheating site as well as a highly respected character on the rs cheating scene doesn't have much hope for rs cheating ;).

That is what I was thinking pwnaz0r.

i say yes, release it.

we wont get the "The Eye of Sauron" on us (by the way, thats a great expression, <3 fawki)
heres why..

jagex has stopped real life trading, hence many of the botting people and gold farmers have left. Im quite sure most of the leechers here used to auto only to sell gold.
even if something big was released, it wouldnt get nearly as much abuse as it would before.

theres a few people saying "I'v found a way to transfer gold easily!!", no you haven't, your way is slow, tedious and predicted by jagex.
face it, unbalanced trades are over, jagex didnt knock this out in one afternoon, they've been thinking about it for months, they discussed it with other makers of MMORPGs, they carefully made their plans and spend weeks honing them to perfection.

this would make less people intrested in autoing, so anything you release would get a very limited amount of abuse.

i just logged into runescape to check, after going around the popular autoing places, i only saw one level 3 person chopping oak trees, they werent in the default clothes, they might not even have been a bot.

jagex have even taken less effort into stopping autoing. Normally they release a new client version every week, to force client-hacking bots to update. But the last update was 11-12-2007, thats 4 and a bit weeks ago.
you are all enjoying a very tranquil period of the client, you have been using smart v2 without updating for more then a month.
how long will this halt in updating last? I dont know, I have a suspicion it will last for a long, long time, until jagex makes a new graphics system, or changes the interfaces.

the way i see it, the The Eye of Sauron has passed us by, crushed the real world trading under it boot, and is focusing on new things, making runescape on consoles, developing their new MethScape game.

I paint a gloomy picture dont I :redface: but dont worry, SRL was never really about selling gold, we can still auto for skills. I for one have never owned a level 85 mining account, I would like to have one of those by training it up myself (with an auto)

by the way, someone before said something about jagex sending a negative UID to aryan users, this is slightly misinformed, it was one of aryans own developers to made the UID be -1, and tipped jagex off about it.
if you knew some java you could go to the source code and make it correct again, like moparisthebest says he still has about 20 level3 miners from the aryan era, but most of the leechers did not, so they were banned.

From: Yakman
it was one of aryans own developers to made the UID be -1, and tipped jagex off about it.

Out of free will? Ouch didnt know that. I hope he got a lifetime membership award <jk>

Good one. You are probably right. It is very quiet in runescape space and no updates whatsoever. Maybe Jagex forgot about us after all? Appearantly we are insignificant in the current storm Jagex is in.

Ok. Lets do it. ( Weekend has passed, so I dont know when I will have the time to release, sry… busy times for me.)

If Ben sees this, and only if he has the time, and only if he feels like doing so…..could you remove the SmartFPSH4x for the sake of peace?

From: Yakman
by the way, someone before said something about jagex sending a negative UID to aryan users, this is slightly misinformed, it was one of aryans own developers to made the UID be -1, and tipped jagex off about it.

I don't think you are right there. As far as I remember it was Nerice.

Yakman has a very good point. I think now would be the time to release

From: Wizzup?
I don't think you are right there. As far as I remember it was Nerice.

I thought it was regex, which is why we dont see much of him around anymore…cause so many people hate him cause they lost their mains from it, so hes lying low

wasn't regex addicting to WoW ? i remember him making an appearance to advertise "phoenix" a bot coded by a him and a group of WoW programmers, but it didn't go over so well.

It was regex, I believe I've got a chat log where he discussed it ;)

From: WT-Fakawi
If Ben sees this, and only if he has the time, and only if he feels like doing so…..could you remove the SmartFPSH4x for the sake of peace?

I didn't plan on rewriting parts of that SMART, so I didn't back up a copy of the source code for that release. That being said, removing that would require removing all of the other additions that I added. I'll try to get to it some time this week, but if I haven't said anything about it by next weekend I most likely won't have time to do it. I don't see it as a big deal now… Since there is no real profit in running multiple accounts at the same time anymore, I don't think people would need to lower the fps below what it already is.

Also, I personally like this autoing environment a lot more. The focus is now back on beating the system rather than making a buck. I've done some autoing myself over the last week or so, made about 7m by thieving gems (That SafeCracker is amazing ;)), crafting nature runes [pure essence from aryan days], making jewelry [had gold bars/ore from way back], and alching, in addition to smelting and smiting 20k iron [part of what I collected with aryan] into nails and selling ;) I can see how the rest of you might be a little pissed now that raw materials are hard to get, but I've got more than my fair share saved up, and never had any drive to use it :rolleyes:

I vote yes to releasing SMART v1 to the public. This move will certainly keep our forum alive (I'm not saying it will die if we don't).

I must say though that I don't not have a good feeling about what we are doing in v2. I fully support Fawki when he says we create scripts that will allow us to auto for hours at a time but I'm sure that is possible through our current methods. I've seen a number of scripts that are capable of doing this.

I do believe we are being rather two-faced about this. One one hand we criticise KYAB and iBot for using their knowledge of Java to make scripting easier and making the scripters lazy but on the other hand we are doing (or will be doing) the same thing. I know you guys might say the situation has changed, its different now but it still isn't right in my opinion.

We are changing the rules to suit us.

Well, I hexeditted smart a bit, and made it a bit harder to use the FPS hack: I renamed the _setRefresh function to all spaces, and removed the number of bytes the args have, so you'll at least need to do some hex editting to make it usable again.
I also changed the caption to: "S.M.A.R.T. by BenLand100, SRL-Forums.com FREE SOFTWARE @ SRL-FORUMS"

Plugin is attached to this post. I renamed it to smrt.dll, but that's only for local testing purposes.

@Zeph: 100% agreed, I posted it too in the other thread.

So is it time to release now?

From: Markus
Well, I hexeditted smart a bit, and made it a bit harder to use the FPS hack: I renamed the _setRefresh function to all spaces, and removed the number of bytes the args have, so you'll at least need to do some hex editting to make it usable again.
I also changed the caption to: "S.M.A.R.T. by BenLand100, SRL-Forums.com FREE SOFTWARE @ SRL-FORUMS"

Plugin is attached to this post. I renamed it to smrt.dll, but that's only for local testing purposes.

@Zeph: 100% agreed, I posted it too in the other thread.

hmm. Leave out the SRL-Forums please. The fact it is freely available here @ SRL could get us in trouble. After all, it is a hacked client, no?

From: WT-Fakawi
hmm. Leave out the SRL-Forums please. The fact it is freely available here @ SRL could get us in trouble. After all, it is a hacked client, no?

Actually, it only runs the client, and gets the canvas it uses.

But to what should I change it? I got 71 characters to mess with…

edit: How about: "SMART, by BenLand100. Free Sofware! Bought this? Ask for a full refund!"?

what a shame it isn't open source then we wouldn't have to resort to hex-editing with a limit of 71 characters ;)

the word hacking is vague, hollywood movies and the media define it as "breaking into banks and finding passwords"

but the proper definition is someone who takes thing apart to see how it works, look arounds and know a lot about linux, and
the one who breaks into banks is a cracker

source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hacker http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=script+kiddie

so in this context, smart is client-hacking because Benland needed to learn about how the client works.

i guess the best phrase is client-editing, that is what smart is not, but many other java programs about runescape are.

Ben doesn't want to share because 'the way he gave SCAR control of the JVM is *uber sexy*' or something along those lines :p