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This looks bad for us. Discuss.

As the game has grown, the demand for gold has grown with it, so it is worth gold-sellers' time to make smarter bots. "We keep developing technologies to combat bots, but it's like an arms race – we stop bots, they improve their macros, we stop them, they improve again," says Andrew. The longer we keep doing this, the harder it's going to be to keep stopping bots. "If we don't break that vicious cycle now, it would just keep getting worse and worse. It could reach a point where macro software becomes undetectable."

Who ya gonna call?

We have various Customer Support units set up to deal with the problem. Two of these are the Snapshot and Ban Appeal Team (SBAT), which investigates player-submitted Abuse Reports, and the Community Management team. Community Management's Jagex Moderators regularly root out and instantly ban as many bots as they can find - we call this bot-busting. The Player Moderators and Forum Moderators help us to identify bots in game and on the Forums, respectively.

Another is the Investigations into the Community Unit (ICU), which looks into account theft, macros, bugs and exploits, takes down gold-selling websites and more. ICU's Mod Chris81 says, "All Customer Support teams combined, we're banning tens of thousands of accounts each month that belong to real-world traders. Most of these are bots, but we also secure many accounts that real-world traders have stolen, and return them to their rightful owners." Every plausible idea mentioned on our Forums on how to remove bots, we have considered, tried or already use – for instance, we do ban IPs. We've also involved our lawyers and even talked to certain governments!

During 2006, we banned bot and real-world trader accounts carrying RuneScape gold and items worth over 200 billion gp. During 2007, so far, we've banned over 525 billion, which has a real-world value of over $2.6 million US - that's an increase of over 250%. At that rate of growth, we'd be looking at banning over 8 trillion gp in 2010 - that's 8,000 billion gp - which has a real-world value of over $40 million US. It's an almost unbelievably high number, but it hammers home the sheer size of the problem we are facing and why we have to take action against it.

Finish the fight

"The Player and Forum Moderators, and other legitimate players, have put in a lot of effort and deserve recognition."

Mod Paul M
Community Management - Player Moderator Unit

Community Management's Mod Paul M says, "For a long time, players have thought we're not doing anything, as they don't see everything we do. We've been working on this problem every single day." Bot-busting is our most visible method, but not the most effective. If we ban one bot, it's easy to create a new account to take its place. It's better to take the time to track that account and find every other account it's linked to, then ban all of them at once. Mod Rob, Customer Support Operations Manager, adds, "We still regularly go bot-busting, though, so players can see we are doing something."

Mod Rob continues: "We have automatic and manual systems in place to identify bots, but limited resources to deal with them. It isn't possible to find and ban every single one." Mod Paul M follows with, "The Player and Forum Moderators, and other legitimate players, have put in a lot of effort and deserve recognition. They see more than we ever could, so we follow up on as many Abuse Reports as possible."

Unfortunately, these methods are reactive – find a problem then solve it – and if we just react, we'll always be chipping away at a larger problem. Even if we spent every penny we earn on staff and systems to ban bots – which would mean no game updates – gold-sellers would still massively outnumber us. Mod Hobagoly says, "Every time we double our efforts, gold-sellers quadruple theirs. We can't continue only using our current methods, throwing more and more resources at it." The only way we can win is to be proactive and take the fight to them.

Removing unbalanced trade

Taking into account how serious this issue is and knowing that reactive methods could never completely stop real-world trading, what are the proactive solutions? Well, considering how much money is involved, one solution would have been to allow real-world trading. Why not just let players sell their RuneScape gold and items and take a small cut of the profits ourselves? "We've seen other MMOGs take that route and it works, but only to a limited extent. Some players would sell gold through their own website to avoid paying the developer a cut. Worse than that, the demand for gold was still mostly being met by players using bots and scams, ruining the experience for legitimate players," says Mod Chris81.

Mod Hobagoly says, "It would be very difficult to find a way of allowing players to buy RuneScape items for real money that doesn't cheapen the game." There might be some way of doing this, and without all the negatives, but it wasn't the right solution for ridding RuneScape of real-world traders and bots. Andrew follows with, "We looked at any number of different possible solutions. We've read independent studies and spoken with other people in the MMOG industry. Ultimately, the consensus is that the only way to remove the real-world trading market is to develop your game so you cannot make unbalanced trades."

An unbalanced trade is where one player trades something of value to another player, but does not receive something back of roughly equal value. Real-world traders have used this method to trade millions of gold pieces in exchange for nothing in game, as they will already have been paid in real money. Removing unbalanced trade will mean real-world traders can't do this, so there is no way for them to deliver gold to buyers - and if you can't sell gold, why bother farming it in the first place?

These gold-sellers are businessmen. They're in it for the money and are going to be looking at the bottom line: their profits. Mod Mark says, "The key phrase is 'not profitable'. We're changing our game in a way that doesn't negatively affect its gameplay, but which makes real-world trading not worth the effort." It's a bold move to make, and one that no other MMO developer has attempted. We are fully aware of how the RuneScape community will react to such a change, which is why we been worked hard to find the best way to implement it.

This looks really bad i can't see anyway around it but i'd love to see if anyone else has ideas and such about this.

I am at the bounty place right now and its fucking pathetic this game is totally ruined!!!!!

As I posted in another thread:
With all due respect, I think Jagex is destroying the game. For legits aswell as cheaters.

I'm glad this isn't fully affecting SCAR, since we have more reliable methods than other bots.

-Knives

The thing is whether we still auto or not it is for nothing because we can't give our stuff to our mains to be rich which is why we make new accounts to auto anyway.

What the hell? You mean this will make me unable to even help out my friend…?!

Crap, Jagex, crap.

Ya, it looks like autoing on my main in a safe way is the only way to get those resources I need. I am hopeing we can find a loop-hole around this situtation.

Someone please lock the other threads regarding this ?

very bad news, jagex killed all cheating with these updates

No, it just blocked getting your main TONNES of RSGP.

You can still:
1) Auto for own characters skills
2) Auto for own characters resources
3) Auto for own characters money

Still, this limits horribly much, and maybe even more for legit players. But I think Jagex are too naive and too blind to really see what they are doing.

-Knives

Jagex cant be so dumb to let the unbalance trade to 3K GP, thats SOOOOO stupid…. I bet the will increase that amount couze there will be a lot of players that are goin to stop playin

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?!!??!?!?!?
SHIFT + 1 ffs!!!shift+1!111!!

Now, what is going to happen to pking?

Not that I wouldn't enjoy going to rape the wilderness armed to teeth, but when the guy dies no, I am not gonna get any loot!

As Knives said ''they are killing RS'' i think same thing… if they destroy autoing, well its good for them BUT! how about some poor guy that wants to buy a Flax and he sees its 500 ea… this is just fucked up… give it a few months with these updates and we gota find a new game to use Scar at :( but still :( :p well thats my thougts… gota go home from school xD cya soon all visit sp0rk-eh!!!! :P:P:P:P

even though my thread was posted over an hour before this one…..=\

Meh, you can still auto train ur skills, that's the most important thing imho… And get ur macroing accounts money…
Jagex just seems to want to lose all of their players, legit and non-legit

From: King of Knives
As I posted in another thread:
With all due respect, I think Jagex is destroying the game. For legits aswell as cheaters.

I'm glad this isn't fully affecting SCAR, since we have more reliable methods than other bots.

-Knives

Yea, they just dug their own grave. ;)

Well jagex are just dumb and also

"It could reach a point where macro software becomes undetectable."

No shit sherlock we are almost there, Jagex need to get a brain and make real macro detection. Firstly it would benefit legit people. Secondly it will give SRL and Scar a challenge to beat there mechanism things, Which is basiclly which is what is on the main page of SRL forums.

From: The Claw
even though my thread was posted over an hour before this one…..=\

Yes but Fakawi made this one ;)

I think this is one of the most idiotic way Jakex could possibly stop the goldselling. They really outdo themselves this time.

If I get this correct all that they will change is the unbalanced trades ? Such a long news item for that …

no, they have ruined pking as well. and they have ruined being able to sell scripts, unless you want to sell your script for 3k. and they have basically ruined the point of macroing. whats the point in autoing, if your goods cant go anywhere? "levels". yeah, well thats all well and good. if you want to go through every single autoer you have, starting at a bronze sword, sell every feather to get a mith sword, etc etc, on EVERY SINGLE autoer, since you cant have banking account to just trade the gear over now.

It will kill most of the bots, except us.. Because we don't auto for real world money.. Ofcourse trading between accounts will be a little harder..

To be honest, ofcourse this will ruin macroing.. But hey, isn't that smart from runescape? They finally took some serious action..

We must develop scripts who are way smarter than human.. A single report can be your death..

~Raymond

And who wants 8 accounts with good stats tbh what is the point of it.. For me I auto to get money to then sell for real money to then buy membership but I was planning to do all that but instead of buying mems this time was gona buy somethin of ebay cuz I am over RS.

well they aint really eliminated drop tradeing 100% soooo i would keep on the bright side of things

This is a sad thing for me to hear…

But I see where Jagex is comming from. They have realized that the battle they have been fighting is useless, and un-winnable, and It is, with bots like RSDemon using lvl 3's how they are.

This truely is the only way that they can possibly save their game, although it is hurting it quite a bit…

Makes me sad to see them pushed against the wall so hard…

I suppose this may tirgger a new era of scar scrips… more skill oriented, much more importance on anti randoms, and less of a multi-character thing…

there are riots at all major w's…….. join there and spam :D

MEMBERS: W66 fally riot: hell of a spam :O

We are aware that many of you will want to prepare for this change. So, initially, we are just going to make the trade system WARN about unbalanced trades, but it will still allow the trade to go through. This seriously reduces any opportunities for scamming, but still gives you a chance to get used to how it works, organise your items, hand back borrowed stuff, and give Christmas presents. Then, in the first week of January, we will change it to simply not allow unbalanced trades outside of the 3,000gp limit. We will be reminding you when the January date approaches, so that you can be best prepared.

For certain categories of account (mostly new accounts) we are actually implementing the trade restriction immediately. This allows us to stop a large chunk of the cheating immediately, since most of the real-world traders are using new accounts due to their previous ones being banned. For the vast majority of players, the trade restriction will come into effect in the first week of January.

You can still trade until the first week of January. Anyone making new accounts now, they are effected.

I see all your points this should kill off all the rsdemon bots but i can continue to auto in secrecy on my main :D even though theres not much point as they took a lot of the fun out of the game when they removed staking and pking

I now declare war on Jagex! Blood and revolution I say! Get the pitchforks and tourches! FUCK EM :sasmokin:

I still say that we will be able to drop trade via wildy/bounty hunter…like as long as teleports are still ok to use there…

just go in and kill your autoer, run in grab the goods and tele your ass outa there…unless im missing something

From: gerauchert
I now declare war on Jagex! Blood and revolution I say! Get the pitchforks and tourches! FUCK EM :sasmokin:

I still say that we will be able to drop trade via wildy/bounty hunter…like as long as teleports are still ok to use there…

just go in and kill your autoer, run in grab the goods and tele your ass outa there…unless im missing something

"No non-combat items may be taken to the wilderness."

Edit:

2) No legitimate PKer would have any reason to take unnecessary non-combat items into the PKing area. After all, who in their right mind would take millions of gold into the Wilderness? It doesn't help win a fight and there is a large chance that you might lose it! Therefore, we've changed it so that you can only take in items that you would have a good reason to take in. Again, this makes things considerably more difficult for the cheats who took these items into the Wilderness, purely with the intention of losing them, but this should not affect normal PKers at all.

From: Narcle
"No non-combat items may be taken to the wilderness."

those lil bitches…

cmon we gotta find a way somehow to stick it to em

lets develop a macro for the bounty hunter and just rape bounty hunter with bots until they decide…oh yeah i remember that i have my finger up my ass and im gonna chage wildy back

Muahahah! PKing died, instead free players can use the Duel arena! WOOT! No need for member anymore :)

Btw,
Runescape is becoming a SINGLE player.. No need for others anymore..

Quite funny how they killed PKing, it was the only reason why i would play runescape sometimes..

And you can't tele… :(

well lets get all the antirandoms solved perfectly…i dont care it its scar or not and lets just go back to one char autoing for a few hours per day…

still effective imo as long as the randoms are solved

From: gerauchert
well lets get all the antirandoms solved perfectly…i dont care it its scar or not and lets just go back to one char autoing for a few hours per day…

still effective imo as long as the randoms are solved

Yes indeed, new avenues must be discussed. Unless they re-open trading later this year. Armies are not worth it anymore.

From: Narcle
Yes indeed, new avenues must be discussed. Unless they re-open trading later this year. Armies are not worth it anymore.

i think that, for those people who are like me and just auto to PK…will find that if they make "pure armies" they will still be effective via macroing.

Just build up your stats through autofighting…then make your money through normal army macroing…over time your resources will build up and you will have about 8 different pures all with a few mils on each…

As long as you still enjoy pking in the bounty hunter area lol i havent seen it yet :eek:

Naw no matter what this is fucking shit no pking no rs I am so fucking pissed off I will never play this once I sell my accounts. Rioting is fun.

I don't see this "Limited trading" staying like this for long… I trade items to my friends a lot for various things back and forth. I for one will complain if there is a petition. I'm guessing after a couple months they will have to lift it or lose players that do pay for membership.

I will continue leveling and macroing my large army until the day comes… I'm just going to bide my time.

The bounty thing is absolute shit you just get teamed by heaps of nubs..

Well, a good player always needs a good provider when training a skill for longer periods of time. I'll, for example, still train 4 accounts to 60 WC'ing so they can cut Yews and sell it to my main account when he needs fletching XP.

But still, they destroyed the final hope for the genius merchanters.

Let's make a small list of what Jagex have destroyed:

1) PK'ing
Reason: Bots killing each other to transfer items
2) Merchanting
Reason: Making selling easier (??????)
3) Friendliness, Speed-selling and items on discount
Reason: Err… ?

All who have just a bit of logical sense can see that the positive things (if there are any) never can outweigh the annoying things tied to all these new updates.

-Knives

You know I was thinking… after this to switch to another game lol

edit
On a positive note, I made most of my scripts based on single-player use.

But doe'snt this work, when i attack with my cmb 20 like some high lvl npc. But when i have died i pick up those coins or items with my main?

From: King of Knives

3) Friendliness, Speed-selling and items on discount
Reason: Err… ?

that made me laugh ;)

im not going to worry too much…i will follow the path as narcle says, just build up my army until i have mass amounts of goods, and when there is an opening I will take it…

on another note i have an idea…

maybe make a bot that will drop trade exactly 2999 gp every 15 minutes kinda like LAME…

so if you have your army with like all your coal or yews…then first sell it all on the exchange for $

second run the program and have one account log in drop the stuff…log in the next account pick it up…log in the next account and drop…and have the same account pick it up… ECT

so that would work and just have the script take breaks when it is been less than 15 minutes

From: Rencuz
But doe'snt this work, when i attack with my cmb 20 like some high lvl npc. But when i have died i pick up those coins or items with my main?

–>

Items Dropped on Death Changes

For the same reasons as mentioned above, we have made changes to how items are dropped on death.

When you die, (unless in the Bounty Hunter area - more on this later), you will leave a temporary gravestone behind. While the gravestone remains, your dropped items will not despawn, giving you a bit of time to run back and collect them. Other players will not be able to see or take items from your gravestone.

Your friends can make your gravestone remain for longer, either by repairing it when it starts to crumble or by expending Prayer points to bless it. Your stone can be maintained this way for up to a maximum of an hour. This will give you more time to return and pick up from where you left off.

Please read the Knowledge Base article to find out more about gravestones and how to purchase a variety of gravestone types.

From: gerauchert
that made me laugh ;)

im not going to worry too much…i will follow the path as narcle says, just build up my army until i have mass amounts of goods, and when there is an opening I will take it…

on another note i have an idea…

maybe make a bot that will drop trade exactly 2999 gp every 15 minutes kinda like LAME…

so if you have your army with like all your coal or yews…then first sell it all on the exchange for $

second run the program and have one account log in drop the stuff…log in the next account pick it up…log in the next account and drop…and have the same account pick it up… ECT

so that would work and just have the script take breaks when it is been less than 15 minutes

Drop trading = ban..


I dont think Jagex will hold this.. Rants being multiplied by 2 every hour.. (Not rly :p)

We will have to wait..

From: gerauchert
on another note i have an idea…

maybe make a bot that will drop trade exactly 2999 gp every 15 minutes kinda like LAME…

so if you have your army with like all your coal or yews…then first sell it all on the exchange for $

second run the program and have one account log in drop the stuff…log in the next account pick it up…log in the next account and drop…and have the same account pick it up… ECT

so that would work and just have the script take breaks when it is been less than 15 minutes

Way to time consuming. I thought of this as well. But for the next couple days I will be juggling goods slowly over to my main to sell.

I just thought of something…. The prices of goods will be going up gradually now. *Ponders the opportunities*

96K users are playing only and a lot of ppl will problaby quit :D

And i should p2p my acc and go back to rsc :S

Well, there goes Law running :(

Haha fuck I got banned on forums xD

If the wildy aint gonna change, im gonna start raping rs(lvl 3 macros ftw)

This is horrible!

They've limited us to autoing on our mains!

I have a strong feeling this update will not come to use, go check the rs forums -> recent updates -> "RuneScape v Real-world Trading" about 25% of posts people complain that jagex ruins the game, pking killed, merchanting killed etc.

That was thought, autoing in a safe, secure way on my main now. But I know someone will figure something out amoung us. If not, I like the idea of autoing a bunch of goods just as resources to sell to your main for the cheapest price possible. It sucks, but at least you'll be getting the best deal and always have the resources.

I don't know, this is lame.

There is nothing to play only RSC and there is not many players, RSCD dead RS2 dead :S

Guys I think really the only way to transfer items is to die in a discreet location that is not in the wild. For example go to like the security dungeon and die in there somewhere and have your banker be read to pick up the stuff.

well, i guess i will gonna auto like hell till x mass
then trade all the auto stuff to my main on Christmas
hopefully i will not get banned (they may think, it's an xmass gift lol)

if i get banned, then i will quit :)

From: supersain
well, i guess i will gonna auto like hell till x mass
then trade all the auto stuff to my main on Christmas
hopefully i will not get banned (they may think, it's an xmass gift lol)

if i get banned, then i will quit :)

Can we atm trade items without 3k limit?

From: cheetahnub
Haha fuck I got banned on forums xD

If the wildy aint gonna change, im gonna start raping rs(lvl 3 macros ftw)

yeah lets do it just in spite of jagex…

there would be no monetary gain from it, however it would piss all the legits off enough to make Jagex be like "oh im sorry we were acting like dumbasses heres your game back"

nah probably wont work though… :D

w00000000000000000000000000000000t


THEY ARE CHANGING BACK!

But…. What is the method they invented to prevent it?

glad im not that only one headed for these forums ; )
i tihnk we could still use the wildy to trade our goods via mith/addy arrows but this way it wouldn't be worth gather all your stuff from autoing after 2-3 days and it's only 700k as trading form autoers-to mains is going to be extreemily hard now..

From: Rencuz
Can we atm trade items without 3k limit?

yes i believe u can trade (with no limit) till first week of January

I think this is the end for SRL..?

From: hugolord
I think this is the end for SRL..?

No, check the last 5 pages of recent updates, drop trades, wildy, pk etc. all rants.

Example.

this update really peeps!!@@@ the worst update ever
the whole idea of merchanting is gone.
make it like the grand exchange up to
5% EITHER SIDE OF THE MARKET VALUE AND NOT 3.000 GP
that 5% will stop the real world traders too and we can keep the merchanting

Wow. Some updates was good like GE. But ruining staking & merchanting is just stupid. In a few months I think 10% of runescape p2p has left rs. I dont think any would like to pay for something like this, when theres not much working for**** having ur budget up.
rs players: \
\
\
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0 players \______

runescape R.I.P. Dec 10th 2007,,,jagex ruined runescape

Over 95% of the most recent posts are rants, I'm guessing Jagex will undo the update sooner or later. (Later = after 30% of membs leave.)

This is the end to getting your main rich VIA other accounts.

Only those who are pessimistic, say that this is the end of SRL. It isn't. I bet the admins and Developers will agree.

I'll rape RuneScape like the worst piece of shit in history until the harsh day comes. Our mains will be biting the Economical Apple until Jagex realize that they've done something stupid.

SRL SHALL CONTINUE!

-Knives

From: n3ss3s
w00000000000000000000000000000000t


THEY ARE CHANGING BACK!

But…. What is the method they invented to prevent it?

Lol when did they say that?

I hope you are right, because this was a very poor move on their part and I hope they learn from this…

jagex wont change anything, since when did they listen players,
3 weeks time to auto with multiple accs until its over :(

This is not the ent of macro. this is the begin of letting you're scripts act like human.
iam nog saying i like this update. i have to trade 30k coal (flagged) to my main before 1-1-2007. but jagex is fanily doing something real against bots. that they do this by killing there own game is a other story. but we got a new coal now. act like human.

From: codx1
jagex wont change anything, since when did they listen players,
3 weeks time to auto with multiple accs until its over :(

Well then there will be no point for people to pay for this game…

when they lose all their p2p players then they will have to change something. They might as well just make a universal shop that has every item for a fixed price at the rate they want control over the economy. There is no point to merchanting with that 3k bullshit and there is no point to PKing with the bounty hunter bullshit.

In a business it is all about the customers…so the customers virtually can get whatever they want within some boundaries. So when Mr Andrew feels his paycheck is threatened he will bend over and take it from his little members. However he may only change certain things for the actual members as they dont care about f2p…

NOOOOO!!! GOD!!! NOOOO!!!

I thought first that "removing unbalanced trade" meant that they are removing the unbalanced trade protection :(

act like human.

That doesn't get the stuff from the other accs to our mains.

From: n3ss3s

That doesn't get the stuff from the other accs to our mains.

that means we auto with mains with ultra humaness scriptz ;)

From: gerauchert
that means we auto with mains with ultra humaness scriptz ;)

But I auto for money as I already explained.
Jagex killed my hobby :(
How I'm supposed to get the money for the components now? :(

What is the point of autoing now?!?!

Actually We can still auto, let's just make fighting scripts now ;)

but I'm serious this is a major blow to us and I might quit, I mean what's the point now -,-

From: PwNZoRNooB
But I auto for money as I already explained.
Jagex killed my hobby :(
How I'm supposed to get the money for the components now? :(

you could always rob a bank :D

im really interested in Fakawi's official statement regarding all of this…im curious about what he thinks :confused:

Bye Runescape, Bye Jagex, Bye SRL.
I gonna quit runescape and cheating, unless they revert this.

Byebye

Markus

From: Markus
Bye Runescape, Bye Jagex, Bye SRL.
I gonna quit runescape and cheating, unless they revert this.

Byebye

Markus

I'll probably quit too -,-

or set up a new community for a different game to script -,-

this sucks..

Aww crap guys, don't go.

Read my comment in the last post in members news…

HOLD THERE FOR A MOMENT

We are going to find away around this one way or another. They have have given us a nice little bit of time to figure out a way around this when it takes a effect. So what methods of transferring items are done for?

Drop trading, Staking, Trading

Now we might still be able to do this, if when you die in non-wild area all your items besides the 3 you keep fall on the ground no 3k limit. There is also the wild, if we transfer the items into combat items, the best might be arrows and runes. Anyone have any suggestions?

Please remember we will still be alive, as jagex said.

EDIT: Another idea, bows are combat items, we could all make our autoers members and fletch the logs we cut into bows.

From: aran armath
HOLD THERE FOR A MOMENT

We are going to find away around this one way or another. They have have given us a nice little bit of time to figure out a way around this when it takes a effect. So what methods of transferring items are done for?

Drop trading, Staking, Trading

Now we might still be able to do this, if when you die in non-wild area all your items besides the 3 you keep fall on the ground no 3k limit. There is also the wild, if we transfer the items into combat items, the best might be arrows and runes. Anyone have any suggestions?

Please remember we will still be alive, as jagex said.

EDIT: Another idea, bows are combat items, we could all make our autoers members and fletch the logs we cut into bows.

Yes, but it will only make them fix the last way of trading we have, the wildy, once they do that it's a definite goodbye.

But they cant really fix that can they? We still have to take items into the wild to fight each other. We all would carry different amounts of runes and arrows into the wild dont we?

never mind trading by using your accountrs being killwhile hold 10' or thousantds of arrows won't work because the boundie hunter place isn't in all worlds so there are no non busy worlds to trade at…..

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2796/newtradeqn2.png
^^
picture of the new trade screen its just a example!.

well,, now you know how much the items you're selling are worth?:p

wow wat that 8 mill there??/… gettin 8 mills worth to ur main will be impossible.. no more buckets of water for u…

~Spaz

From: rikjess
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2796/newtradeqn2.png
^^
picture of the new trade screen.

well,, now you know how much the items you're selling are worth?:p

lolz!

RS cheating for profit is dead.

Auto-trade seems to be the only way around..

Trade money 3k at the time to your main using a script that controls both traders. Crappy solution, but the only thing I can think of..

From: MeKillsYou
Auto-trade seems to be the only way around..

Trade money 3k at the time to your main using a script that controls both traders. Crappy solution, but the only thing I can think of..

and jagex will just think you've been trading 10000 times in a week and not ban you eh?

Aran, read careful, there will be only a part of the drop visible to other users.

Though yea, don't know about dying in non-wilderness…

w00t this is c000l!:

0.1 blackmarks out of 10 (advertising irc channel, what the fuck?)
appeal: apologise: no pk no rs

+ 1 day mute + ban at forums

From: cheetahnub
w00t this is c000l!:

0.1 blackmarks out of 10 (advertising irc channel, what the fuck?)
appeal: apologise: no pk no rs

+ 1 day mute + ban at forums

;p;z haha owned

I think I may quit the rs scene all together. All I did was pked, and they ruined it. If it's not fixed within a week, I'll be saying my goodbyes.

From: Sp0rky
I think I may quit the rs scene all together. All I did was pked, and they ruined it. If it's not fixed within a week, I'll be saying my goodbyes.

same here, except I will rape rs until ip-ban lol

Wooto ppl are protesting over 1,5k posts :D

http://forum.runescape.com/forums.ws?15,16,750,54685599

From: Rencuz
Wooto ppl are protesting over 1,5k posts :D

http://forum.runescape.com/forums.ws?15,16,750,54685599

bah there were 20 times more for the duel arena and they didn't change much..

The biggest problem with this update is that it makes the game much, much less fun for 90% of the players. They destroyed the 'end game'. Sure, you can still try to kill some of the strongest monsters in the game, but then what? You log in for an hour each week to do a new quest? More likely you quit because there's nothing left to do, I guess.

I'm most surprised that they rolled all this stuff out so quickly. They definitely should have let each of these major nerfs work its way through the system before dropping another bomb.

I think 6 months from now, RS will look like a completely different game. In some ways it will be better, and in some ways it will be worse. There will absolutely be fewer players. I don't plan to stop autoing over this. I was never a geepee junky in the first place. And I've never spent money buying mills or paying for membership, so that really doesn't affect me either.

If anything, this should make our autoers more profitable, since most of the bots were only in it for cash, and will just quit. The price of ess, ores, and logs should go up quite a bit, since the supply will dry up. Of course, the real question is whether people will even want to BUY that stuff anymore if the prices of all the finished goods are in the toilet too. The economy is in pretty bad shape now, and I'm not sure it will recover.

How long will it take Jagex to realize that they totally killed Fishing skill? It's pointless now. Who's going to spend 5k worth of lobbies trying to win a 3k drop? Nobody. Who's going to spend 20k worth of sharks to win a 3k drop? Nobody. PKing has been a HUGE sink for money in the economy, until now. And fishing was one of the EASY skills to control autoing on. The only real money was in lobbies, swordies, and sharks, for which you need extremely high levels, plus membership for the sharks. It's not like chopping willows with a bronze axe. They killed it for no good reason.

Who knows? Maybe Jagex will crack down for a few months, then let up a bit once the cancer is gone?

From: hugolord
bah there were 20 times more for the duel arena and they didn't change much..

Merchanters-pkers-autoers-RWT groups have toghethered powers against Jagex!

From: tarajunky
The biggest problem with this update is that it makes the game much, much less fun for 90% of the players. They destroyed the 'end game'. Sure, you can still try to kill some of the strongest monsters in the game, but then what? You log in for an hour each week to do a new quest? More likely you quit because there's nothing left to do, I guess.

I'm most surprised that they rolled all this stuff out so quickly. They definitely should have let each of these major nerfs work its way through the system before dropping another bomb.

I think 6 months from now, RS will look like a completely different game. In some ways it will be better, and in some ways it will be worse. There will absolutely be fewer players. I don't plan to stop autoing over this. I was never a geepee junky in the first place. And I've never spent money buying mills or paying for membership, so that really doesn't affect me either.

If anything, this should make our autoers more profitable, since most of the bots were only in it for cash, and will just quit. The price of ess, ores, and logs should go up quite a bit, since the supply will dry up. Of course, the real question is whether people will even want to BUY that stuff anymore if the prices of all the finished goods are in the toilet too. The economy is in pretty bad shape now, and I'm not sure it will recover.

Who knows? Maybe Jagex will crack down for a few months, then let up a bit once the cancer is gone?

bah, I still think that the only way SRL can go on making nice scripts is really to make Advanced fighting scripts, since it's just one type of script we could really perfect it and who knows auto to 99 str ^^ :P

I'm still trying with your fighter tara :D

66 str and 40 atck on my pure so far :D

Hopefully that will work if you die in non wilderness with stuff
theres a way around the trading update :)

just read the update… I could have been making all that money?

i see what they are trying to do, but i'm more than sure they did it the wrong way. this just shows how lazy Jagex has become.

:[

Ok, this update ruined like everything, for cheaters, and for legit players, as tara said about that prices for logs and stuff will get up is a real good point, there will be ALOT of players quitting runescape just cuz of this damn update…
I don't think they killed bots, people will just now bot on there mains, and (I hope), people in this community will start make scripts for single player, and focus more on the safe aspect of the whole botting sequence, Jagex just makes it harder for themselves…

From: Drunkenoldma
Ok, this update ruined like everything, for cheaters, and for legit players, as tara said about that prices for logs and stuff will get up is a real good point, there will be ALOT of players quitting runescape just cuz of this damn update…
I don't think they killed bots, people will just now bot on there mains, and (I hope), people in this community will start make scripts for single player, and focus more on the safe aspect of the whole botting sequence, Jagex just makes it harder for themselves…

No. this community is based on account switching and it will remain so.

i jst tried the ok thing with the arenas… its shit… u dint get any drops and finding the damn arenas is hard enough…. this fucked over all legit pkers..

~Spaz

From: hugolord
No. this community is based on account switching and it will remain so.

Why would we do so, it's pointless…

to not get banned? but I do see your point

ROFL! This is the gayest thing ever! It barley even affects me, or other macroers! The only thing who it affects are paying members. Jagex are going to lose A LOT of cash off this update. And I mean A LOT. (over a few million dollars per month I am guessing)

Edit: And my caver still works, people will still get rich off of scripts like that ? :)

Edit2: FFS I am PISSED! I just bought soooo many runes to get 85 mage (so I could be the Teleblocker in my PK clan, but NOOOO there is no TB spell now!) :f:

From: Hy71194
ROFL! This is the gayest thing ever! It barley even affects me, or other macroers! The only thing who it affects are paying members. Jagex are going to lose A LOT of cash off this update. And I mean A LOT. (over a few million dollars per month I am guessing)

It does affect us..?

From: Drunkenoldma
Why would we do so, it's pointless…

I agree, but you could account switch just to allow your main to auto for long periods of time, while you have your other accounts just autoing ffs

From: Hy71194
ROFL! This is the gayest thing ever! It barley even affects me, or other macroers!

Hows is that?
Whats the point of macroing if u cant trade the goods to ur main or sell for mils?

When Jagex fully implements 3k trade difference (on all accounts) in January this will turn runescape in a singleplayer game, not that it isnt already, due to pk-ing and staking.
I just hope something till then will change their minds, quitters, rants, etc.

From: Drunkenoldma
Why would we do so, it's pointless…

If you've already got a lvl 126 main, then yeah it's kind of pointless. But my main isn't that great. It's very high level smithing, and has moderate levels in other areas, but the combat skills are kind of messed up. I'll continue leveling smithing just to have done it, but I could easily make one of my army my new main.

My average army member looks something like this:

40 Att
60-70 Str
1/10/20/40 Def
31+ Pray
37+ Mage
50+ Cooking
75+ Mining

And they all have several million GP in the bank from all the mining. And the nice thing is I have about 20 of them so I can continue autoing them without worrying if one of them gets banned.

I could easily start using one of these as my main. So it's almost like autoing on my main without the paranoia.

meh come on fellas .. what's the main reason most of you got involved in SCAR/SRL to begin with? Because Jagex presents you with a challenge that you, the scripters, have embraced with open arms. This is a whole new set of challenges - I have no doubt in my mind that the collective effort of this community, along with others, will find inventive ways of staying one step ahead :) it's what y'all do best.

(Tho I will be honest and admit that I am quite pissed off about what they have done to PKing .. I mean c'mon .. that was one of the few things I still enjoyed .. did they REALLY have to get rid of it?!)

:p

Tara when you mentioned spending 20k of Sharks to get 3k of loot, you are right. That's a huge damper on pking and a reason to stop if you're a pker. And whoever else mentioned this game is turning into a One player game, I understand what you are saying. They want to limit interactions with others to a safe and secure means it seems completely disregarding the side effects as well.

When it comes to autoing…
I still plan on autoing with all my miners/choppers/ect. and just selling the items to my main for the cheapest price possible until some way better is figured out.

This is harsh, but I will keep playing. If I could make the change from classic to rs2 I can do this as well. I've been playing far to long to just quit for another shitty update. Something will be figured out. This is an inconvience till we gather our combined knowledge to work something out on transfering goods.

Couldn't you just send your noob down to lesser pits in karmy with all items, and have him die, and have your main wait around till his gravestone crumbles, of course on a somewhat empty world, but still…it could work.

From: xxmynameisjohnxx
Couldn't you just send your noob down to lesser pits in karmy with all items, and have him die, and have your main wait around till his gravestone crumbles, of course on a somewhat empty world, but still…it could work.

I don't think players will be able to see the items..

*light bulb above head* try drop trading :D?

Sozz if someone has already sed that

From: Craig-
*light bulb above head* try drop trading :D?

Invisible to other players

I think i have a way@!@!!!!!!!!!

You will have to make 100 bankers give them the 3k ea then by the time you get back to #1 you can trade with him again and transfer the money. Yes this will take awhile but you can still transfer autoed money!!!!


By the way I just might quit Runescape

If they were really smart, they would remove the trade limit on member accounts. So more money for them.

For those posting the same things over and over here is a low-down:
-Trade limited to a 3k difference in worth
-Dropping items makes the items invisible (to other players) if worth over 3Kgp in a 15 minute period
-PKing a person has a limited drop amount
-Major changes in PKing (read the official post on RS.com)

Man there goes pking. Man fuck jagex and their gay fucking game that they suddenly changed all around!

what about raping the new tournament system?

just log on with 64 accounts and pay the fee, and your main wins it all..


kinda hard, but it IS a way to transver a vast amount of geepee

damn :(

Oh god!

No we're gonna have to auto on our mains or we will NEVER get any of the items to chop/mine/get

Great, just as I get both of my autoers to chop yews, ill just sell em..

they ruined pking!!!! i cant believe it, just when im about to finish my pure. im quiting game right now and sellin my account. i cant believe they doin this…the only reason i play is to have fun pking. jagex is doin a big mistake, going to lose real players and macroers. good luck jagex

I just went to world 66 fally, everyone's spamming over there, even Pmods, and I think if alot of people quit rs because of this update (esp. members); I think (hope) they'll reroll this update, so they wont loose soo much of money (like hy says)

is that stilll goimg on? i mite join them if it is

ahem..
lolz?

From: hugolord
ahem..
lolz?

lolPhotoshop?

I just send this to RANTS. I dont have the slighest ilussion it will help, but I am anxious to see whether they will remove it or not.

Dear Jagex,

This update is directed to prevent abuse of the Game if I am correct. I have tried to be helpful by reporting 10000's of level-3 bots hatching below Port Sarim non-stop over three weeks. I have even tried sending Customer Support a huge list of all the names I collected of those malicious game-rapers. Over time, I came to realize there are actually only a few hackers controlling massive amounts of bots. Zengh0003 for instance also controls Zengh6430 and he has probably all numbers in between too. This narrows down the amount of hackers to a bare minimum. I have done some field-research and discovered those bots are simulated in a clientless environment that enables them to control 100+ bots on 1(!) computer, thus explaining the massive exploit all over f2p. Every update these bots are temporarily disabled and this HALVES the amount of Players in f2p.

Over the weeks of reporting i have never, I repeat, NEVER seen any moderator supporting my actions. I am sure I alone have reported over 1% of all bots. I have no powers in the game except for reporting, but I am convinced that if the Golden Mods (that have the ability to ban on the spot)would have stepped from their ivory tower and massbanned those abusers, none of this would have been necessary. Zengh would have been utterly disappointed knowing all of his 5000 bots dead.

The Game lacks leadership and wisdom. Instead of beating this with a collaborate effort, the staff has chosen the easy way out. Instead of IP-banning, hunting down and suing hackers they choose to affect EVERYBODIES GAME.

And you know what?

This wont stop bots at all. If there is one thing bots have over legitimate players is: time. Bots have all the time in the world. They dont mind trsading 3k goods once every 15 minutes or so. I bet they are already adepting the new rules in their pity applications.

This update transformed the Multi-Player (MMORPG) into a Single-Player (MSORPG). Bad decision.

Sincerely Yours,

Hugo is that true? or ur just kiddin:)
Eerik.

BTW Rs forums are down for me!

http://forum.runescape.com/forums.ws

lolz!

And Fakawi FTW you did that?

Thanks Fawk!

why didn't you ask for our help!

If you had the fixed Bot catcher i would have ran it 24/7 -,-

Can you not just drop trade?

From: WT-Fakawi
I just send this to RANTS. I dont have the slighest ilussion it will help, but I am anxious to see whether they will remove it or not.

Keep us updated. I wanna know what they do with that.

From: richk1693

I wanna know what they do with that.

Nothing as of now. The forums are closed. Jagex can't handle an uproar. They had expected massive backup. Now, they're falling on the hard floor. I hope they break their back from the fall.

Not metaforically speaking: I hope Andrew turns the key tomorrow.

EDIT: WT-Fakawi: Can't you delete the SRL Rule about respecting Jagex? The rule's giving me a hard time showing my opinion :S

-Knives

Looks bad for us, yes, but looks worse for legits; IMO they're the ones who'll suffer; they actually care about the game.

Atleast we're not addicted to 'teh l3et pixlz' like some legits are.


<3 it Fawki

Mine, in Compliments:

Well Jagex, you've done it!

Finally, after having to put up with a player controlled capitalistic government for so long, you've succeeded in implementing a completely communistic government. Congratulations, you can now completely control every aspect of the game.

I look forward to the day when I will be able to sit back in a chair and watch one of your employees play the game for me.

Oh, if you get a chance, please remove all NPC drops. Now that all avenues of player trading are shut, you really should finish up the job and and stop all NPC's from 'trading' valuable items.

Again, congratulations!

Sincerely,

Tell me if this would work- Use autoed money to buy expensive armor with Grand Exchange, bring that armor into the wild in the middle of the night when n one is on, and die with the armor to your main who can then sell it. Would that work if no one else is playing?

yeah I agree with Smartzkid.

They gona be pissed lolz

From: King of Knives
Nothing as of now. The forums are closed. Jagex can't handle an uproar. They had expected massive backup. Now, they're falling on the hard floor. I hope they break their back from the fall.

Not metaforically speaking: I hope Andrew turns the key tomorrow.

EDIT: WT-Fakawi: Can't you delete the SRL Rule about respecting Jagex? The rule's giving me a hard time showing my opinion :S

-Knives

Temporary exception FTW?

Lmao. I can't get in either-.-
Eerik.

So let me get this straight. Most people on SRL use their macro armies just to get good stuff for their main? I personally advance each character individually, gaining personally stats an skills to make each self sufficient. When I do periodically trade, I am trading something in close worth, like some cooked fish for 200 willow logs.

Honestly, this wont hurt me at all.

From: cbris
So let me get this straight. Most people on SRL use their macro armies just to get good stuff for their main? I personally advance each character individually, gaining personally stats an skills to make each self sufficient. When I do periodically trade, I am trading something in close worth, like some cooked fish for 200 willow logs.

Honestly, this wont hurt me at all.

Hmm..and what goods u get?
have 20 players with 1m on all of em?
Isn't it a bit boring?
Well i've earned like 20$-100$ by RS.
And i was just beginning again in SRL forums cuz i got my own room so i can play 24/7… This Fu**ing update!! :duh:
Eerik.

Maybe this is a bit much to ask, but since they basically made autoing pointless they could probably get rid of all those annoying as hell randoms that waste all legits time?

TITLE SHOULD BE RUNESCAPE DIED 12/10/07

IM A PURE AND IM PISSED SO IS MY CLAN!

sorry for caps but im ticked!
i may just quit ffs wtf reason of playin rs with a pure now ffs
bull shit
ISNT OUR FAULT .. WE NOT THE NERDS WHO BUY CASH IRL!

WOOT

now its time to have some fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im making a bot that complains to jagex

A few comments….

Personally, i think they killed PKing as of the release of RS2, so the changes in PKing don't really affect me.

This will almost completely stop noob beggars from asking for free stuff.

You can still transfer wealth via combat items, aka Saradomin armor, Trimmed Rune, etc.

Buy as many logs as possible, since the supply will be going down a ton.
(just bought 40k Willow at 22 each.)

Get An Auto Talker And Come Riot At World 34 Fally Square!

Now As Many As We Can! Alot Are There Already!

the script will be:

program ScrewJagex;
{.include SRL/srl.scar}
const
JagexISStraight = false;
begin
activateclient;

repeat
TypeSend('flash3:We dont need no education');
TypeSend('red:We dont need no bot control!');
TypeSend('Hey Jagex!');
TypeSend('Leave the trade alone!');
until(JagexIsStraight);
end.

From: thephanatik


You can still transfer wealth via combat items, aka Saradomin armor, Trimmed Rune, etc.

No, you can't. You can only get 3k worth of items from a kill I believe. And theres stupid gravestone things that let people get their stuff back for almost and hour. BLAh. 4 years of my life gone with this stupid update.

w66 fally for riot. It's mad. Pmod leading the riot. Zezima is there. Bunch of famous pkers too.

damn it's full! i'm still trying to get in

GET SCREENSHOTS PLEASE!

Everyone:
spam the hell out of [email]advertising@jagex.com[/email], [email]business@jagex.com[/email], [email]lawcontact@jagex.com[/email]. I've already sent like 30 of the exact same message. Enough people would just kill their mail server.

Game over Jagex, you killed yourself.

I had to work this morning so I didnt really get the whole story til I got home. but before I left I saw rs was updated, so i skimmed over it, but i had to leave.

I was thinking about it, and yes, the game is ruined. Kinda makes me sad, but i do think it was in some way sort of necessary with the amount of gold-farm sites being spammed, trees and rocks being raped, and all that stuff. Im in some way happy because I wanted to get my life away from runescape, and this will make it alot easier. I will be checking on the status of this though because I do believe they will reverse this in some way, if not improve it so that it doesnt affect legits and simple autoers like us.

but for now, 1 word….potatos!! right now there worth approx. 15 ea at the grand exchange, lets make the price skyrocket so you can eventually trade like 500 potatos for 1m:D

From: munk
but for now, 1 word….potatos!! right now there worth approx. 15 ea at the grand exchange, lets make the price skyrocket so you can eventually trade like 500 potatos for 1m:D

Creative :)

i made an auto spamer

program uberspam;
{.include srl/srl.scar}

procedure spam;
begin
Case Random(15) of
1:TypeSend('i hate jagex')
2:TypeSend('jagex sucks')
3:TypeSend('whats stupid dumb and ******* all over - jagex')
4:TypeSend('jegex runed this')
5 :TypeSend('WWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT')
6 :TypeSend('wave:__________________________________________________________________')
7 :TypeSend('im switching to world of warcraft')
8 :TypeSend('how do you spell fucktard j-a-g-e-x')
9  :TypeSend('im quiting')
10 :TypeSend('yes im a macro you retarded jagex what are you goona do ban me?')
11 :TypeSend('SSSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!')
12 :TypeSend('BOOOOOOO!')
13 :TypeSend('jagex is a ********')
14 :TypeSend('die runescape')
15 :TypeSend('runescapes ucks')
end;
end;

begin;
repeat
spam;
until(false)
end.

OMG they just dug their own grave… and they say they were able to deal with bots the first few months of rs lol BS

I THINK ITS A TRICK TOO, they left about a week inbetween the true update assuming all the macroers will sell their gp this week and they will be able to tell how much money we really have under out belt and then they will cry and the total players online will go from 200,000 to 0.

I agree. We should all spam, every world too. Spam all of jagex's emails, send them messages. Do whatever it takes to get the message over.

1st staking now PKing

whats next to ruin???

From: legoluke182
1st staking now PKing

whats next to ruin???

A little off topic, what is staking?

I guess you can never have too much of a good thing… I think we can still manipulate the system… By just trading 3k over and over and over…

I hope they change this because its going to kill my Pkers banks :(

@munk- Great idea :D

~Stupedspam

From: Birfday_Cake
A little off topic, what is staking?

staking = the dual arena

Wow…. F*cking Dumb*sses….. There goes ALL of there players and ALL of there money off of memberships… This stops us from trading our gold but ALSO if we stop autoing(idk bout you but I'm gonna keep doing it for fun) then there will not be massive amounts of goods such as flax, ess, p ess, ores, logs, bowstrings, etc… The prices on these goods will skyrocket and no1 will buy them anymore. Also I think they have now completely secured the Runescape economy so that they can control it for themselves… They have killed many things other than just autoing and Real-World trading… Some of the things they have killed:

Drop parties
Lvl 99 parties
Christmas
looting
dueling
pking
merchanting
and many other things I can't think of.

These updates just F*cked there game. Buy WoW Is all I can say…

Just so you guys know. I've been spamming a world so much that I stopped the bot about 5 minutes ago and RS is still processing all my text now. I try to type something and it comes out in 2 minutes. Its pretty sweet except now I'm gonna get banned.

they reopend the forums and theres thousands of people ranting lol, btw riot in w66

From: natinsatin1
they reopend the forums and theres thousands of people ranting lol, btw riot in w66

er.. it's still offline..

This is soooo crazy. Still trying for 66.

From: hugolord
program ScrewJagex;
{.include SRL/srl.scar}
const
JagexISStraight = false;
begin
activateclient;

repeat
TypeSend('flash3:We dont need no education');
TypeSend('red:We dont need no bot control!');
TypeSend('Hey Jagex!');
TypeSend('Leave the trade alone!');
until(JagexIsStraight);
end.

Haha, brilliant :)

Oh, anyone know if there's a free world protest anywhere?

Edit: *Joins mick*

"They are to busy
worrying about themselves
and they seem to have
forgotten about all of their faithful
players who just want to have
fun on the game."
Bullseye3850–Runescape Player

world 1 riot walking around. not as big as 66 though.

program uberspam;
{.include srl/srl.scar}
 
procedure spam;
begin
Case Random(15) of
1:TypeSend('i hate jagex')
2:TypeSend('jagex sucks')
3:TypeSend('whats stupid dumb and ******* all over - jagex')
4:TypeSend('jegex runed this')
5 :TypeSend('WWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT')
6 :TypeSend('wave:__________________________________________________________________')
7 :TypeSend('im switching to world of warcraft')
8 :TypeSend('how do you spell fucktard j-a-g-e-x')
9  :TypeSend('im quiting')
10 :TypeSend('yes im a macro you retarded jagex what are you goona do ban me?')
11 :TypeSend('SSSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!')
12 :TypeSend('BOOOOOOO!')
13 :TypeSend('jagex is a ********')
14 :TypeSend('die runescape')
15 :TypeSend('runescapes ucks')
end;
end;
 
begin;
repeat
spam;
until(false)
end.
 

….I'm still in shock. I'm saying to myself "Did jagex really just do this?"
I never thought about the end of rs, especially not this soon. People thought the grand exchange ruined rs but THIS? It has now gone way too far, but hey I don't think we can do much about it. Its jagex's call. :(

Awesome, im happy to see legit runescape players protesting after they have done nothing about the stupid pc update and dual arena.

Quote from Ben Adam at Rant forum.

Well…You have done it again Jagex…You let your ego ruin runescape. If you don't undo the damage your 'real world trading' tirade has caused you will lose a lot of members. Do you not see that the motivation behind these updates is not to improve the game for legitimate players, but to restrict everyone in the hope you will stop the few real world traders.
First of all…its now against the rules to be generous and give items to friends for free? The Grinch..I mean Jagex is stealing christmas! Stopping unballanced trade will kill merchanting. It will negatively impact on many other skills.
The wilderness…I don't even know what to say…stupid maybe? It was fine the way it was.
When will the 'cotton wool armour' be available? There is no risk left in Runescape. There is no freedom. There are too many warnings, everything is censored…Now thanks to these updates, you won't just be warned anymore, you will be restricted. Yes, I agree autoers and real world traders are annoying…but these updates…they are far worse!
Do something to stop the autoers making the money, rather then restricting trade of any sort on everyone…

*There will be more to come as I think of it!*

lol i just started my own riot but accidentilly pressed back button so i forget the world. START YOUR OWN RIOTS WITH AN AUTO SMAPPER TAKES 3 SECONDS LOL

man i thought the Grand Exchange idea was bad…

now look what jagex HAD to do…

I cant believe they would take out the 2 funnest things in the game. Make it three. Merchenting, Staking, and of course Pking!

Logg Out At 8:00pm Gmt For 10 Minutes For Official Protest

For histories sake, I got some screenshots from about 3-4pm Central Time- world 66 Fally-
Lots of P-Mods supporting the riots!
Drop party where quitters were dropping several million worth of items at a time!
"RS = BS! Down with Jagex! We pay to PK!" Everyone hates them now-a-days.

oh nice pics…

goes to show that Jagex really screwed it up this time around

We need a roit for non members! And then fuse it together. I believe those pmods wont be mods for long=/.

I like seeing a few pmods taking part in the protest…

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I want to start an F2P protest, we'll need a good amount of people to start it off though. Suggest a world and place (Falador?) and we can begin.

World 32? Im in!

321 Urdead0

hmmmm theres not really anyway to make money now…..think i might hav to go buy some gold……

OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

World 32…I'll be right there.

EDIT: Nvm, World 1 seems to be where it's at.

Yay, I'm in a protest! We're in Draynor and heading for Lumby @ 7:36 EST.

I'm fine with W32…

oh man i wish i can join but dang the worlds are all full

I'm there.

User: Letzagomario

Use myrune.com/world or down load EliteSwitch

im in w 32 fally

Guys come to World 1, Varrock. You'll see us passing by in a minute.

Wait, I'm in World 1.

kk stay at varrock for a lil.

From: IEatJ00erBaybees
Guys come to World 1, Varrock. You'll see us passing by in a minute.

Wait, I'm in World 1.

where is the riot

From: dr.quantumphysics
where is the riot

Indeed, i cant find the riot.

From: Trevor3443
my post on offical "rant" thread.

i dont think they care.

neither about legit players nor people committing suicides.

I love this.

By Jagex Mod:
There is no excuse for posting inappropriate ASCII art. Doing so does no good, and certainly doesn't help solve this problem. Please keep in mind that RuneScape is made up of players of all ages, genders, and nationalities; anything posted on these forums must not be offensive or upsetting.

If you have something valid to say, feel free to type it out. All else is not welcome here.

For posting inappropriate ASCII art, you(Nfinite-Nf) have received a Forum Ban.

I highly suggest you read the Forum Code of Conduct and Forum Specific Rules before you use the Forum again. Such behaviour is not tolerated here.

Thank you.

This was posted on page 1848, just look and see how many ASCII art things are on the forum even 10 pages before that, and they can only ban one person at a time. Funny stuff.

Edit: Woohoo, my main account just got temp forum banned!

Your user account *******
has been temporarily banned from the forums for breaking the forum rules.

Please read the Code of Conduct and make sure you are familiar with what is and isn't allowed.

Edit 2: My account isn't Nfinite-Nf, it's something different.

DUDE JAKEX SUKS!!! I hate them so much now. i was a level 46 99 mage person now i have no friken way to pk those noobs!! I think some pmods are quitting because i just got a message from jakex asking to be a pmod! lol now im going to go riot!!! AHHH!!!! I think they will soon change it back because of all the riots!!!!
I say we should keep autoing but just keep all the goodies on ur account until they take it away. Or you can auto on ur main, not a good idea…

im in world 1 varrock

From: IPwnz
I love this.



This was posted on page 1848, just look and see how many ASCII art things are on the forum even 10 pages before that, and they can only ban one person at a time. Funny stuff.

Edit: Woohoo, my main account just got temp forum banned!

boy does jagex love screwing themselves over.

did they forget that all the forum-users on RS2 are all P2P!

Holy cow, a Pmod or Forum Mod changed my original post on the forum to this:

I'M A ******* *********!

Any guesses as to what it stands for?

From: IPwnz
Holy cow, a Pmod or Forum Mod changed my original post on the forum to this:

Any guesses as to what it stands for?

im a fucking ass hole

Lemme guess. IPwnz, "Nfinite-Nf" is your main's username ?

And we officially passed 20k posts in roughly 12 hours, good job ranting.

From: Hy71194
Lemme guess. IPwnz, "Nfinite-Nf" is your main's username ?

Nope, I posted ASCII art after I saw this guy go down b/c of it.

What was the art of? A naked woman? ;)

From: Hy71194
What was the art of? A naked woman? ;)

lol most likely since its the most popularly searched atm… :p

This would be the art that I copied from someone else and posted:

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From: IPwnz
This would be the art that I copied from someone else and posted:

did you get banned on the RS forums for that?

From: legendaryhero90
did you get banned on the RS forums for that?

Sadly yes, that's how desperate they are.

From: IPwnz
Sadly yes, that's how desperate they are.

or how ignorant but who am i to judge :f:

oh no my friend… ignorant is when they dredge up an almost 2 yr old offence on my main only after i posted a legit complaint on the forums. they are grasping at straws and losing ground. 6 years of playing and they pull this shit? sad…
:'(

nah i like this one better i think

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I like this new post by the Jagex mods concerning people making petitions to reverse the update:

Monster1556,

Please do not encourage "support lists". These do not offer and constructive feedback concerning the updates and are merely spam. This makes it harder for Jagex to locate the helpful posts to make this update better.

Consider this a warning.

Heres a nice one found on the forums:

Yeah 4 years of membership wasted on this stupid game. You won't see a single cent from me until you change it back. The wild was what made runescape fun. Now there is just a dull shell of its old glory left. There are no changes you could make to this update to save my opinion of you. In your quest to get rid of all the real world traders you have alienated your games legit players. To what point? Your game will die due to this. Even if it does not die you will lose a massive amount of your income. I hope you are prepared to fire your precious employees, all in the name of stopping real world trading. Perhaps you should just better manage your java code instead of trying to control every aspect of your game. This will certainly change runescape into basically a single player game. People will not be able to help friends out. All group aspects of this game died with this update. I would wish you good luck with this, but I feel you do not deserve it, as you failed to forsee the results of your actions. The capitalist markets so carefully developed by players have been violently converted into a pointless system of restrictions. Shame on you.

worst update in rs history. i hope rs dies!

wow so im guessing after reading all those posts…

RS is going to die?

i no so many people have quit
if any one on srl forums is quiting pm me

Well I made a small youtube video I think I am the first to do it so :D but yeh runescape is fucking gone. (duno why but I just bought a santa :P)

I might have a way to transfer goods on members accounts…. but i don't feel all that comfortable with just saying it on the forums where everyone can see… Is there maybe an SRL member that I could pm to see what they think on if it would work or not? Because I see no reason why it wouldn't and if its the only loophole that Jagex left open it would more then suck for someone to leak it. who knows they might just fix it soon…. but i don't think they would have thought that far through…. I mean look at the update they put out. they didn't think that one through very well…

this fucking blows. We just got fucked in the ear by the jagfags. wtf. what do we do now?!

@noob on the go:

I'm open to suggestions on bypassing these stupid updates. PM me with your idea and I can tell you how feasable it actually is.

world 1 varrock, is that ultimatum jr guy any of u?

guys relax, jagex will roll back the changes

have you seen the sticky on the rants forum, its increasing by a page every 2 seconds, were already at 2.5k pages in less than one day (not joking, check it out for yourself here.)

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I think they just destroyed the 'R' in RPG.

I'm going to be different.

I actually agree with Jagex about someparts. If you look at from their perspective. They did a pretty nice job. Because they don't care about us old players, other DUMASS noobs will still like rs becuase they never tasted the old style and they will still get members.
"Don't know what freedom is unless you taste it"

My opinion?

i. FUCKING. HATE. IT!
Stages of rs.
Stage 1: noob, looking around
Stage 2: questing, skilling
Stage 3: members
Stage 4: making money
FINAL STAGE: PKING
RS IS ALL ABOUT PKING.

Mod Mat K - "Things will change, we are not going to leave everything like this."

At least something positive.

This is the first time in 6 yrs i dont know if they will back down or not… this could seriously go either way, or come to a compromise that doesnt suck as bad, but still blows.

I almost completely agree with Jagex, bots are getting better and better, finally they can't detect them…legit players problably won't take time to report all autos…If 1 auto will be banned, there will be replacement for it in 5 min… - time to create account and complete tut island.

Only thing i don't like is unbalanced trading - this will reduce it's multi-playering worthness…able to team and help your friends…(For lending money to friend i may get banned)

Yeez, i gave rune scim to my friend yesterday, now i'm getting banned :(

:p

P hat worth 1 gb - peoples offering over 150 bil for it - Yups, unbalanced trade := Ban

So, yes, overally it will destroy game…but bots are doing it slowly and long…

Better than they "try" to destroy bots themself…

Someone mentioned they should upgrade they Java code etc…
- it has been done thousands times…It won't help if some Nexus newbs are using modified clients, as i said bots are getting better and better..

I can still auto for fun and skills…:) Overally doesn't affect me much about autoing…

Edit: And this communicity won't die, big percent of scripters are autoing for fun:)

I can't believe this update happened. I wonder what it will mean for the future of Runescape.

Wow i keep refreshing the page on the rs forum and within a 3 seconds time at least 30 new pages have come up the average amount of pages every time refresh is like 10… thats crazy and well looks like we need to stop playing for a month or two and when they notice that over half the cumunity stopped playing they might switch it back… cause well even they are not that stupid to go out of business over this… remember it's all about the money and if they aren't getting any money then that are going to go back the when they were… i mean c'mon money wins every time isn't that why they created this game to make money… looks like they are going to have to look for new jobs mwahahaha…

From: cheetahnub
there are riots at all major w's…….. join there and spam :D

MEMBERS: W66 fally riot: hell of a spam :O

Haha I was just rioting in world 66 before I got board and logged out.

From: Jason2gs
Haha, brilliant :)

Oh, anyone know if there's a free world protest anywhere?

Edit: *Joins mick*

It's made by Drags btw

Now is your chance to trade your autoed things to main go to bounty hunter and kill them because even the bounty hunter worlds are empty now !

From: awesom
Now is your chance to trade your autoed things to main go to bounty hunter and kill them because even the bounty hunter worlds are empty now !

Better, if you plan on making new Players, now is the time to transfer all to the them, armour, picks, money :)

From: WT-Fakawi
Better, if you plan on making new Players, now is the time to transfer all to the them, armour, picks, money :)

but the new accounts allready contain the new system? with the 3k limit.
or did i understood something wrong?

For certain categories of account (mostly new accounts) we are actually implementing the trade restriction immediately. This allows us to stop a large chunk of the cheating immediately, since most of the real-world traders are using new accounts due to their previous ones being banned. For the vast majority of players, the trade restriction will come into effect in the first week of January.

otherwise,,, isn't jagex axpecting us on doing this? in the comming 2 weeks all the macro's will put there suff on there main. aka banned spree??

From: rikjess
but the new accounts allready contain the new system? with the 3k limit.
or did i understood something wrong?



otherwise,,, isn't jagex axpecting us on doing this? in the comming 2 weeks all the macro's will put there suff on there main. aka banned spree??

I think the new trade system will be added in january 2008 they said..

and yeah it may well lead to a banning spree.

Fux jagex. im muted for 2 days for rioting.

first of all, what is bounty hunter?
secondly, how are we going to be transferring auto-ed goods to our mains now?
as soon as I clear out my old members stuff, I can't get my money back on it. Great.

*chuckle*

I guess this brings the SRL team to a standstill for a few months if Jagex does not back down. You guys could use a break anyways. You have been working nonstop since Scar was discovered.

And the update really does ruin a huge part of the RuneScape game. The PK system is really bad, because people just group and kill single players. The trade system is uncomfortable because it really breaks up the merchanting.

Good thing I quit early.

We can only hope for jagex to make this update better, or to just remove the new update, and go on with the "good ol' runescape", there isn't much of a chance tho, jagex never removed an update, whatsoever…

Just as I was so happy and content with my army and had soo many plans ;( this fuckers screw it all up they better take this BS back.

From: Drunkenoldma
We can only hope for jagex to make this update better, or to just remove the new update, and go on with the "good ol' runescape", there isn't much of a chance tho, jagex never removed an update, whatsoever…

Well, I don't think EVER there was this kind of protest against it, this is just unbelievable for them. I don't think they could've thinked of this…

Just, like 10 min ago, (I was running scar), and I came back, and I saw RS has been updated, please reload this page, in the hope that everything would be back to normal, but when I looked at the frontpage, nothing got updated there…

From: Drunkenoldma
Just, like 10 min ago, (I was running scar), and I came back, and I saw RS has been updated, please reload this page, in the hope that everything would be back to normal, but when I looked at the frontpage, nothing got updated there…

To bad

From: RuinedScape

System Update…

This is to fix an urgent bug with the game client where it could crash whilst a player was trying to login. Thank you for your patience.

Where did you see that?

on the forums -> recent updates

Wow this is long and growing hella fast!

So… I have a few questions:
-Does "non-combat items" include NOTED lobbies/food?(sell all your goods on autoes and buy lobbies)
-When you die by an NPC and you have a gravestone: when your gravestone goes away will others be able to take your stuff?
-Did jagex really think they would have ANY players, legit or not, after this?

Unbalanced trade


From the 10th of December, anyone creating a new account will find themselves unable to make unbalanced trades. From the first week of January, this will apply to everyone - so it's a good idea to familiarise yourself with the following process!

Because all trades must be 'balanced', you may be unable to complete a trade unless the value of the items you are exchanging is approximately equal. The bar at the bottom of the trade window will show you how balanced the trade is. The closer the arrow is to either end of the bar, the greater the wealth one of you will earn from the trade.

When unbalanced trade is removed (on one of the dates above), you will be able to earn or lose up to 3,000 coins' worth of wealth from trading in a fifteen minute period. If you have already earned or lost items or money in this time, you will only be able to earn or lose a reduced amount. The amount you can earn or lose is recalculated every minute to add 200 coins to the total, up to the maximum of 3,000 coins. Your trade partner's previous earnings or losses may reduce the amount you can trade with each other. The amount you can earn is connected to the amount you can lose, so you can complete a number of trades in quick succession.

For example, if Player A earned 1,500 coins from a trade, they could then complete another trade that lost them 3,000 coins. If they did so, they might immediately trade again to gain 2,000 coins. In this example, Player A has gained 500 coins overall and can trade again to earn another 2,500 coins.

Note that staked duelling and the Rat Pits affect the amount that you can trade.

You can find out more about why we regulate trades in this way by reading the RuneScape vs Real-world Trading Development Diary.

That is just about the gayest thing I have ever heard… Have they ever played their own game? 3k is nothing! You can't do shit for 3k!


EDIT: Well… I guess Andrew could suck my balls for 3k…

From: kingarabian
Mod Mat K - "Things will change, we are not going to leave everything like this."

At least something positive.

i think what he means is we will ban all spammers and we are not going to leave everything like this :) lol

From: supersain
i think what he means is we will ban all spammers and we are not going to leave everything like this :) lol

It makes sense, they banned me from the forums for posting ASCII art telling them "pay to pk". :duh:

There was 1 update whAT they changed:
It was when new interface came and run buttons was so small so they had to remake the run button.

when there where new prayer and magic spels there was a scroll bar in the prayer and magic tap. pkér went crazy. after a few hours there was a update. they do change updated because players want to. but they only do its sometimes..

edit
lol @ sumilion!! :)

From: nething
EDIT: Well… I guess Andrew could suck my balls for 3k…

Wow your cheap :eek:

Time to see how persistant Jagex is with this update of theirs..

well, they already ruined the economy (those damn commies)
now they're ruining the membership (I like it but nobody else does)

They should un-update to about a month ago, and it would be good.
All they need to update are graphics! the gameplay is fine!

From: Drunkenoldma
Just, like 10 min ago, (I was running scar), and I came back, and I saw RS has been updated, please reload this page, in the hope that everything would be back to normal, but when I looked at the frontpage, nothing got updated there…

Same happened to me.
I got all excited when I saaw "runescape updated"
Went to the front page
and was just let down

So, is there any chance of jagex taking back the changes so rs is back to normal? Or should I just start transfering my items to my main now…

Transfer your items NOW, just to be sure.

From: Wizzup?
Yea, they just dug their own grave. ;)

thats kinda funny cuz they just added graves too :p

only thing that might possibly be good is that dueling is available to non-members.

OHH!! u can still kill people in castle wars!!!!. may not get any lott but still…hmm would it be that hard to make a castle wars script?lol

Here's a serious suggestion for you Jagex.

Every company is about making money, if your CEO isn't thinking like that, you better kick him out, lol.
Anyways, This update will kill your little moneymaker for sure, banning people from the forum or muting them ingame cause they riot, will only put oil on the fire.
So there are 3 options that i see:

1) Up the trade/drop limit to for example 100k, maybe even make it every 30 minutes. It still would stop the goldsellers.

2) Sell gold yourself for a lower price as those RWT do, makes you earn more money.

3) Stay hardheaded and sell your servers

Number 2 isn't a bad suggestion, there are many games that handle it like that and it works

I recon they'll give in, they have to or they'll loose loads of pkers and jst generally get a bad name for themselves with not being "democratic" coz at teh end of the day its all well and gd trying to get rid of all these "bad" people but at the end of the day whats the game with no players left??? sept some 5 year old who stumbles across it!?!??!!?! I'm fucking disgraced at what they've done and i hope they rectify their mistakes….
or else! :f: im leaving!!!

From: ashman
I recon they'll give in, they have to or they'll loose loads of pkers and jst generally get a bad name for themselves with not being "democratic" coz at teh end of the day its all well and gd trying to get rid of all these "bad" people but at the end of the day whats the game with no players left??? sept some 5 year old who stumbles across it!?!??!!?! I'm fucking disgraced at what they've done and i hope they rectify their mistakes….
or else! :f: im leaving!!!

I doubt they will change it back..

LOL http://forum.runescape.com/forums.ws are offline again!

LOL!!! its cause its evening,, and Europa will start flame'ing :p

btw,, look to the amout of players current playing….
even the world 50s (dutch) servers aren't full.

Most of the posts in the thread I see are, "Wow Jagex you suck because you destroyed macroing". That's the whole point I believe. Sides, the reason they are doing this is because of the massive amounts of bots. Bots aren't suppose to be allowed to be used in the game. So if macroing and real life trading wansn't applied to Runescape they wouldn't be doing this.
I don't auto for money anyways, just for the skills. And I also really don't think many people would decide to leave Runescape for the new update too.

well there lots of people quitting because of the pking, its useless, and merchanting is gonna be destroyed, everything that was good sucks now

and i dont see why they wont change it back. I doubt that they will keep it gone if enough people stop playing.

That "update" this morning got my hopes up, but as everything else JAGEX, let me down again. :(

http://10-12-2007.com/ :)

From: rikjess
LOL!!! its cause its evening,, and Europa will start flame'ing :p

btw,, look to the amout of players current playing….
even the world 50s (dutch) servers aren't full.

Really good point!. (it's evening:f: )

some guy in rs that has a skillcape and is really rich just said this…
no point in training, cause you can't fight other people
no point in skilling, cause you can borrow other peoples skills
he's right

Pking Is Comming Back December 18thh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No Waiiii!!!! Waiii!!

How would you know, mister andrew gower?

? How do you know s1cky?

that's what i heard
it's coming back on 18

not completely sure if this is true, but mah bud in rl said he saw a mod spamming it, hpefully its true :S

From: s1cky
not completely sure if this is true, but mah bud in rl said he saw a mod spamming it, hpefully its true :S

-.-

it could be a big lie…

that's why ahhh izz not completey suree

O M G, holy PEEP what the PEEP is their problem! Those little PEEP! Now we cant auto and drop-trade stuff to our mains! Ok people, you know, lets get our scripting powers and make the ultimate anti-ban that wouldnt let the jagex PEEP ban us! Lets make some PEEP code that those PEEP wont ever forget! Now we have to work double hard, because jagex is finnaly pushing us to the wall, they had done something we didnt like at PEEP all!

Another thing i had noticed there arent that many people in runescape now havent you people noticed? There is like only 500 people in each normal world now! They are seriously ruining the game, i bet alot of people quit already!

Dont count on it, it could be that so every one calms down and shit and by the time the 18th comes by every one would have forgotten about it.

possiblity, but lets hope not :P plus, you can't forget abou those pissed off euors lol

December 18th is when the Team Hardcore play-list on Halo3 comes out!

It's times like these when I turn to my good old friend, WoW.

What kind of mod? If it was a player mod then don't get your hopes up…

Notice how they made Dual arena free and stuff at the same time they destroyed pking. So they can try to take off people mind about the pking. And also notice that in january they are gonna release summoning, same month they take off unbalanced trades….

And also notice that in january they are gonna release summoning, same month they take off unbalanced trades….


they jsut keep ruing the game no?

Couldn't people who sell gold for real money still do it through the duel arena? The seller could stake 1m (or however much the player bought) and the other player stake nothing or any items. Then the gold seller could just let himself die and the person who bought the gold would get it without a problem! The same thing could be done when you trade between your own accounts since the duel arena is F2P now! It would be very hard for Jagex to stop this unless they took out the duel arena all together. I haven't tried this yet but it seems like it would work :)

Kinda pissed by the new trade balance thing. I can't even give presents or loans anymore to my friends :(

TBH I don't give a rat's ass about PK'ing, but something tells me they won't change it back.

From: Pballplayer0
Couldn't people who sell gold for real money still do it through the duel arena? The seller could stake 1m (or however much the player bought) and the other player stake nothing or any items. Then the gold seller could just let himself die and the person who bought the gold would get it without a problem! The same thing could be done when you trade between your own accounts since the duel arena is F2P now! It would be very hard for Jagex to stop this unless they took out the duel arena all together. I haven't tried this yet but it seems like it would work :)

I don't think they are allowing unbalanced stakes either.

I guess you could make the stake balanced by having both of your accounts stake the same but still allow the account that you want to have the money win. It would be kinda long but you'd still get the money from your macroing accounts. The only problem would be if Jagex makes a limit to the combat level between dueling accounts. Its not much, but its a start for how we can keep macroing and get the money to our other accounts.

um, I'm fairly sure that the max stake between two players is 3k max now. soo, staking is out of the question.

yup

3k staking limit
3k trading limit
and something about a 3k drop limit too

Wow so they completely destroyed way of making money through staking. They may be stopping real world trading but they're ruining the game for everyone….

From: Pballplayer0
Wow so they completely destroyed way of making money through staking. They may be stopping real world trading but they're ruining the game for everyone….

Which is the point that people have been complaining about since the update. :)

I find this a great summary XD (somebody on rs forums posted it):

T'was two weeks before Christmas, and all through Runescape Not a player had known what would soon be their fate.

The updates were posted on the website with care, In hopes that all players would like what was there.

I logged onto Runescape and what did I see? Four new updates were listed, Wonder what they could be?

Real world trading is bad, its evil they say A new Jagex fight against cheaters today! Real money for gold, their raking in lots.

Kill all the autoers, kill all the bots! Removing unbalanced trades, *What the heck is that? Means all those merchants will never get their phat!

Farewell birthday gifts, no more helping a friend. No more running nats, *Just where will it end?

This 1st post was painful, yet I just pressed through. But I held my breath as I opened number 2.

Trade and drop changes, seems like lots of chatter. I clicked on the link to see what was the matter. 3k gold pieces is now the trade limit.

No more getting Barrows, unless millions are in it Drop parties are out, drop transfers are too. A gravestone is left if a Fire Giant kills you. No more getting rich when a noob makes a mistake. Those items are no longer yours for the take.

I could not believe, in what was to be With an unsteady hand, I clicked post number 3. Wilderness changes? Please say its not so! Revenant ghosts? Now thats a low blow! Bounty Hunter, Bounty Hunter, Why is it multi? If you go solo, you surely will die. I PKd for a living, I guess thats now done. Jagex, you ruined it, its no longer fun. No more PKing, no more easy dough. No more Runescape, it's time to go.

wow, thats good.

T'was two weeks before Christmas, and all through Runescape Not a player had known what would soon be their fate. The updates were posted on the website with care, In hopes that all players would like what was there. I logged onto Runescape and what did I see? Four new updates were listed, Wonder what they could be? Real world trading is bad, its evil they say A new Jagex fight against cheaters today! Real money for gold, their raking in lots. Kill all the autoers, kill all the bots! Removing unbalanced trades, *What the heck is that? Means all those merchants will never get their phat! Farewell birthday gifts, no more helping a friend. No more running nats, *Just where will it end? This 1st post was painful, yet I just pressed through. But I held my breath as I opened number 2. Trade and drop changes, seems like lots of chatter. I clicked on the link to see what was the matter. 3k gold pieces is now the trade limit. No more getting Barrows, unless millions are in it Drop parties are out, drop transfers are too. A gravestone is left if a Fire Giant kills you. No more getting rich when a noob makes a mistake. Those items are no longer yours for the take. I could not believe, in what was to be With an unsteady hand, I clicked post number 3. Wilderness changes? Please say its not so! Revenant ghosts? Now thats a low blow! Bounty Hunter, Bounty Hunter, Why is it multi? If you go solo, you surely will die. I PKd for a living, I guess thats now done. Jagex, you ruined it, its no longer fun. No more PKing, no more easy dough. No more Runescape, looks like its time to go If you liked this post, and I hope that you might. Copy and paste it, LETS PUT UP A FIGHT! We can get our Wildy back, if we all stick together. If Jagex don't listen, we'll all quit FOREVER

basically same thing but little bit different

From: Runescapian321
I find this a great summary XD (somebody on rs forums posted it):

Who was the maker of that ? That is soo good.

this pisses me off so bad i didnt realize till now no more law running or any kind of rune running? will law and airs be crossed off the list too?

i dont give a shit about the 3k update i give more about the wilderness :(… they messed the whole game up n i hope they die

I loved this post

I am still awed by the incredible, coherent update we got today from our benefactors at Jagex towers! Finally today we get a glimpse at what has been the motivating drive behind all the controversial updates of the past months. My fellow Runscapers, finally today we get a FINAL and TOTAL SOLUTION to the economic woes of the game.

What are the crucial components of this awesome solution, you might ask.

We can focus on five key components, which have been, of course, present in every self-respecting fascist movement in the last century:

CENTRALIZATION!!! In the name of increased control we have been provided with a single, official, and approved site of exchange &#8211; the monumental and Mussolinesque Grand Exchange. Not only is it propagandized by our benefactors as superior to human to human exchange, but we are being encouraged to use it through the provision of serious economic incentives. Whereas price differences in player exchanges will be capped at 3k coins, the Grand Exchange will continue to operate at a 10% leeway ( to make it explicit: at the G.E. a 25m dragonfire shield could sell for 23.75m- 26.25m while between people the price could only be 24.997m to 25.003m). A FASCIST HURRAH FOR CENTRALIZATION!

OFFICIAL REGULATION AND CONTROL!!! While Jagex is calming the fears of troubled players with empty assurances that Grand Exchange prices &#8220;actually move&#8221; according to the principles of supply and demand, we haven&#8217;t really seen anything of the sort. Yew longbows continue to have a low price of 700 coins even though nobody is buying them, while obby knives still have a high price of just over 50k even though nobody is selling them. In fact, what we have here is a classic example of a PLANNED ECONOMY: officials set prices and then create the conditions which make those prices extremely difficult to change. A FASCIST HURRAH FOR REGULATION!
LEADERSHIP PRINCIPLE!!! Our benevolent benefactors keep telling us that they are making the world safe for us and that they have our best interests in mind. I am sure I speak for all loyal citizens of Runescape when I thank Jagex for relieving us of responsibility and the civic decision-making process by leading us in the name of the people, in the name of our best interest, towards a brave new world. A FASCIST HURRAH FOR THE FUHRER!

SECURITY OVER FREEDOM!!! As Dostoevsky showed in the Brothers Karamazov, people prefer security over freedom. Why should we bother with the dangers of a flexible liberal economy when Jagex is so providential. With the overbearing control that Jagex is exerting over interpersonal exchanges in Runescape, we never have to be free again. A HURRAH FOR FASCIST SECURITY!

EVIL, ANTISOCIAL VERMIN!!! Yes those apparently are the &#8220;scum&#8221; as Jagex likes to call them: the real world traders, gold farmers, and the lot. They are responsible for all our woes and troubles. They have to be eliminated and apparently our benefactors will stop at nothing until they are eradicated. A HURRAH FOR A PURE FASCIST POLITY!


But where did the inspiration, the genius for this come from? To me only one explanation seems possible. That our benefactors in Jagex Towers paid attention in history class and learned from the German Chancellor of 1933. He too centralized the German economy, he regulated its every aspect in the interests of the people and for a glorious 1000 year Reich. Through his leadership he promised security as long as people obeyed, and of course was willing to tackle the problem of the &#8220;economic exploiters and backstabbers&#8221; by eliminating them. Jagex, you couldn&#8217;t have been more true to the model!

HEIL Andrew

@ Psychor: Who said that! I'd love to have him on my friendlist :)

The riots on world 66 are still going on in fally. I cn't believe it. Its bin like 2 days now of constant rioting…last night at 1am i decided to go on thinking that the world would be empty so i could have a rant and suppot anyone that was there…however i couldn't get on the world it was FULL!!! at 1AM it was full!? Crazy

This must be having an effect and jagex will have to listen, or they will loose out in the long run!

I tell you what its a good job that they are not floating on the stock market or their stock price would have plummited…

They aren't on the stock market are they? :confused:

From: WT-Fakawi
@ Psychor: Who said that! I'd love to have him on my friendlist :)

Someone named Alcaholical

not sure if it's true, someone posted this on fagex

Cambridge, UK - A 14-year-old teen was arrested in Cambridge on Tuesday morning for throwing several bricks through office windows. The teen, who was not identified by police, was charged for property destruction and will be due to appear in court on December 14th. According to police, the office belonged to Jagex Ltd., a company that specializes in Java computer games

Cambridge, UK - A 14-year-old teen was arrested in Cambridge on Tuesday morning for throwing several bricks through office windows. The teen, who was not identified by police, was charged for property destruction and will be due to appear in court on December 14th. According to police, the office belonged to Jagex Ltd., a company that specializes in Java computer games

Lol thats sad nolifer :D Problaby hundreds of ppl think now they should kill andrew and take all Jagex Ltd team to hostages and say"REMOVE THE UPDATE"

We dont auto for Gp any more we auto for cash. That is about the only way I can come up to make money. Transfering gp to another account is out of the question except for "pking", which IDK if it will still work. But the world of runescape cant get gold anymore, nor can they really transfer items to another account. So we can take advantage of this and create pures and mains. They will have gp on them when they buy for cash. Mains could have over 10m+ in gp on them. But the key thing is runescape has shut down RWTs that sell gold. So the next best thing to be able to get gold is to get another account with gold on it. What do you think? I was just brewing this up :stirthepot:

The key thing in runescape isn't RWT, I think who RWT's (buyers and sellers), are pathetic

Lol they deleted the old thread and made a new one rofl!

Edit it aint coming back

Jagex has been working hard on a number of ideas to remove the threat of RWT from the game.

I am sure you will have seen several "bots", or other automated tools, in-game. This is simply the &#8216;tip of the iceberg&#8217;. We receive hundred of reports each day of many bots and sweatshop workers gathering resources for these RWT sites. Each day we receive many letters complaining of the threat that these macroers pose and how unfair it is that that they are "getting away" with it. These cheats devalue what is most important to the game: the efforts of our players.

Jagex has taken a stand against these rule-breakers. We are taking the fight to the RWT sites by removing their ability to do business. In doing so we are also adding new and exciting content for our loyal players, so that they know we care about them.

I would like to encourage you to read the &#8220;Development Diaries&#8221; which detail our battle with RWT, and are available on our main page (www.runescape.com). It is only through partnership with you, the loyal and good players of RuneScape, that we will be able to bring RWT to an end. If you place your trust in us, and support these initiatives, we promise to deliver a better RuneScape experience over the years to come.

We take pride in that no other online game has the depth of communication that we do with our players. We want hear from you, so please express your feelings here on the RuneScape Forums. While we are not able to change things back to the way they were before, we welcome any ideas you have.

~ Popstar

Thanks for reading.

lol what a load of rubbish. He lied aswell…

While we are not able to change things back to the way they were before, we welcome any ideas you have.

Course they are able to change it back they are just being idiots.
They should have worded that like it is….
"We are not going to put back the changes because we don't care what you think."

From: Rencuz
Cambridge, UK - A 14-year-old teen was arrested in Cambridge on Tuesday morning for throwing several bricks through office windows. The teen, who was not identified by police, was charged for property destruction and will be due to appear in court on December 14th. According to police, the office belonged to Jagex Ltd., a company that specializes in Java computer games

Lol thats sad nolifer :D Problaby hundreds of ppl think now they should kill andrew and take all Jagex Ltd team to hostages and say"REMOVE THE UPDATE"

thats amazing.. lol if i knew where that was i might have done the same.. maby not that extreme .. lol maby they can take a hint.. we dont like the update

~Spaz

Well unfortunately, they dont care if we like the updates or not.

From: kingarabian
Well unfortunately, they dont care if we like the updates or not.

exactly, which is why i think the rants and such arent doing anything. this pisses me off so bad. but i think i have a solution to the trading between our bankers and our mains. any mods willing to hear me out?

I saw this on the development diaries by jagex, which made me laugh really hard due to the fact that they think that people will actually stick around after this update.

And wait until you see some of the other things we've got planned – it's far too early to reveal anything, but we're very, very excited about them.

From: nhstarter10
I saw this on the development diaries by jagex, which made me laugh really hard due to the fact that they think that people will actually stick around after this update.

Oh boy jagex happy about there own updates! It must be good.

i repeat if any mod would be so kind as to pm me i have an idea about how we can get our goods from account to account after the update. pm me please? im dying to let this out but i dont want it to get leaked and patched

i auto on my main while im at my computer… so this doesnt affect me too much because i can still skill

but no more armies now huh :\

Holy shit man first time I been happy bout that gravestone thing.. I went to dragons and forgot about the dragon breathe lawll… -.- got hit like 20 30 then 25 or something and lost santa full zammy 2k ruby bolts and few more things and I was like rofl I quit… then I saw "party pills has blessed your gravestone it should stand for 5 minutes" and I was like HOLY SHIT teled to varrock got full inv of energy pots and anti sheild ran back to edge and got all my stuff woot haha!!

I'm for sure not quitting. Atleast until I play a little bit when the new update is in affect. Who knows? It might not be that bad. And instead of starting up my own army, I'm just going to auto on a skiller. But first I'm going to have to start learning to make my own scripts. :)

Well if u look at it,
Jagex ruined-
1.the wilderness(no loots ,who will pk?)and there is bounty hunter where every1
wall hugs…
2.merching (merching is soo dead after grand exchange and the new trade rules(3k wealth exchange))
And now no1 can trans autoed goodds to main or gp to mains….
i heard HELL LOTTA people QUIT….

From: meus_vita
i heard HELL LOTTA people QUIT….

Yeah they did. But I think most of the reason why there isnt that many people playing is because like 50% of the people on where bots. Then you got another part that decided to quit.

Wow.

They are slowly killing their own game.

I feel that Jagex is ruining it for everyone. PKing is nearly completely messed up, we can't trade things to other accounts, you can't even help friends out! If Jagex want to make it up to everyone, they would need some GOOD updates like new skills. Good thing this doesn't involve most of us Scar users. It is to stop real-world trading. Most of my pure friends quit since the duel arena update and now the wilderness update.
Thanks for ruining it for everyone Jagex

Tazzie

I hate that it's so hard to help friends out by donating stuff to them now.

Well, the game sucks small spherical objects of course. But I'm gonna keep autoing just for the fun of it.

It's about time I got more involved with SRL development and scripting. phoenixlament is back

hmm.. I am just wondering if Jagex's updates and and the activity that they deal them out will be worse and slower than usual. As they will have less money because of all the members that they lost they may have to get rid of staff members, make less worlds, possibly even downgrade their equipment. I am just wondering this because I have NO idea how rich jagex is at the moment, I'm sure there won't be any drastic changes anytime soon but in time I think that the overall game may become worse as the years go on, as it is less entertaining and less people will pay for it. What are everyone else's thoughts on this, and does anyone have any idea how much money jagex has?

I Think that the Unbalanced trade is a temporary. ANd they will only keep it until the bosses leave. And not say anything. Those chinese will eat it!

Not sure if anybody discussed this, but there are randoms in duel arena!!!

It's over boys. It's over. Nice well it lasted. JagHax is keeping their stupid updates, and 50% of Runescape seem to be fine with it. 50% more will come in as noobs from Miniclip/AG/Google and fill in the rest.

Lets try to hack inside the Jagex RuinScape Server!

..Or find a way to trade the stuff to your main, theyre both hard to do..

So, when are the members scripts gonna be released to the public, seeing as they're useless now??? j/k :)

From: zytex
Lets try to hack inside the Jagex RuinScape Server!

have you read the main page before? there is a quote by fawki that is worth reading.

we do not, and will not use illigal means to auto runescape. Obvously any server hacking, would breach these laws, and SRL is not going to do that.

From: Atomic1221

So, when are the members scripts gonna be released to the public, seeing as they're useless now??? j/k

the only scripts that would be worthless are ones that automate your trading over 3000 gp to another character. Seince there arent any like that, all of the members scripts are still very usefull.

Do not be so blindly ignorant to think that this update makes any script worthless. In fact, this update does not even affect ANY of the scripts that are currently working. [suprisingly good compared to other stuff jagex has done]

Yeah, but you don't understand Greg. There is little point in having an army now, if you can't transfer goods. You can't even bet more than 3k in the Duel Arena. It's so stupid!!!

From: IEatJ00erBaybees
Yeah, but you don't understand Greg. There is little point in having an army now, if you can't transfer goods. You can't even bet more than 3k in the Duel Arena. It's so stupid!!!

it may be stupid, that's fine.

but all members scripts still do everyhting they are meant to do. they all work just fine, and auot many characters just fine.

Now, if you don't want allot of characters to have allot of money, or goods, and you ponly want your main to. then that is a personal issue that you will habve to either find a way to deal with, or come to terms with it.

but the scripts stil work, and I really don't mind having 10+ mains…

From: awesom
I am at the bounty place right now and its fucking pathetic this game is totally ruined!!!!!

omg!! that mini game along with clan wars sucks!!!!!!!:fiery:

1. Expect the first new single-way player-vs-player combat area to hit the game in the first half of next year, along with a number of other PvP updates in the future.

maybe they can make something similar to what was once pking? or dueling?

holy shit another 6 months

So…. We just macro on mains?

From: tysl2417
So…. We just macro on mains?

Yes, I would say so. For now anyway, or you can auto just for the exp. But hey look on the bright side, it may actually be easier to auto without getting reported now because not that many people will suspect someone to be autoing after the updates take effect.

From: nhstarter10
Yes, I would say so. For now anyway, or you can auto just for the exp. But hey look on the bright side, it may actually be easier to auto without getting reported now because not that many people will suspect someone to be autoing after the updates take effect.

they will not have to worrie about Rs demond and stuff now ( if they have stopped) they will focouse on mains and srl autoing :(

I have an idea for Jagex maybe they could allow the 3k limited to be voided with anyone that you have been friends with for over a set number of months. I understand that no one here wants to wait to transfer goods to and from their main but I figure that it is something resonable for Jagex to consider. And while you wait for that time to come you can just build up on goods.

Runescape is fucked up now. no more fun

Lol i get what you all mean.
Pking is dead, very tragic.
I'm done with autoing many different characters.
I'm going to risk my main.
Only fun reason to ever play was to auto up stats, to make money, to PK.

~Support.

From: oo00o
Lol i get what you all mean.
Pking is dead, very tragic.
I'm done with autoing many different characters.
I'm going to risk my main.
Only fun reason to ever play was to auto up stats, to make money, to PK.

~Support.

Ditto, nothing more needed to add.

But, I've allways wondered, what did they loose on RWT anyway? Please, someone answer?

From: EvilChicken

But, I've allways wondered, what did they loose on RWT anyway? Please, someone answer?

Money: Lots of legal issues. Basically, they arent insured for this, so they needed to get rid of it.

From: WT-Fakawi
Money: Lots of legal issues. Basically, they arent insured for this, so they needed to get rid of it.

wouldent it be better to get more lawyers and sue the conpanies that sell items. they would make money, get rid of the problem of rwt, and not lose millions in discontinued membership.

im sure new ones would just epear so they can keep sueing them.

or they can do what the u.s. did for drugs. they tax the gp being sold by makeing it so you can only sell their items with a pass for every… lets say 100mill gp they sell. then they just make the passes imposible to get and sue everyone for tax evasion. :)

From: dr.quantumphysics
wouldent it be better to get more lawyers and sue the conpanies that sell items. they would make money, get rid of the problem of rwt, and not lose millions in discontinued membership.

im sure new ones would just epear so they can keep sueing them.

or they can do what the u.s. did for drugs. they tax the gp being sold by makeing it so you can only sell their items with a pass for every… lets say 100mill gp they sell. then they just make the passes imposible to get and sue everyone for tax evasion. :)

Nice try but it wouldn't work because

A.) Lawyers, believe it or not, charge a shitload of money
B.) They are not losing millions in discontinued membership, unless you are multiplying the few thousand members they lost by many, many years, which is still not right since those members will be replaced by new ones in about…3 months.
C.) There would be illegal companies springing up who don't pay the "pass"
D.) Selling GP is not tax evasion…

im just puting ideas out there

That's fine, I'm just letting you know why Jagex wouldn't go that route.

nvm my mistake of not know the facts just ignore it sorry

That WOULD be awesome if macro software becomes undetectable.

Well it is. But only 1 Bot has the undetectable status.

yeh your right mate

lol gravedig much this thread is almost 1.5 years old

Flame me all you want, I'll say this anyways :

World of warcraft had a "balanced trade" system before. However, they found out that it stopped more people from being kind to each other than people real world trading.

Guess what ? They responded to the players' appeals and took it away. Now, you can give allllllll your money, wealth, items and there is no limit.

However, Blizzard investigates the "big giveaways" some players do. They find if there was any interaction and any hints of RWT while their chat and such.

Now the problems RWT'ers meet, are to find ways to sell gold without being considered RWT'ers.

In world of warcraft, you can transfer gold between your in game characters, and guess what ? Everything is perfectly fine ! Give me a reason to why you shouldn't be able to give your alt. (alternative character) a start money ?

Because it gives unfair advantage to other players ? Well if you can, they can aswell, and everybody can do secondary accounts, trade over some of their gold, and have fun on their new character.

Jagex seems to care more about the cry babies who just joined the game, being sad because they don't have all that shiny red stuff other people have ='3.

Pathetic.

I find it normal that, older players with more experience and more ancient players should naturally be given a favor when they start a new challenge with an alt.

Long post, sorry, you probably won't read it all. Just expressing my point of view.

Edit : damn, gravedig. Sorry. 10 minutes to waste with that. Oh well.

Sorry to grave dig but this thread marked one of the most depressing time of RS.

Edit: Seriously look at us D:

From: Narcle
I don't see this "Limited trading" staying like this for long…

And here we are now, 3 years later.

Nostalgia!

From: Hugolord
What is the point of autoing now?!?!

Actually We can still auto, let's just make fighting scripts now ;)

but I'm serious this is a major blow to us and I might quit, I mean what's the point now -,-

From: Hugolord
I think this is the end for SRL..?

Remember those days :redface:

I remember seeing this for the first time on kyab

GF Jagex? :D

I was at school, reading the forums and I heard about the update and that it was terrible. I was like: It can't be THAT bad until I managed to bypass the filter and actually saw it :eek:

From: kingarabian
Remember those days :redface:

Haha yeah ;)

Also, it's funny because we actually won this fight in the end.. (I'm pretty sure they will release the wildy and re-introduce free trade again). SRL never died and Jagex was forced to revert back the changes :)

The activity isn't the same like it used to be like 3 years ago, but it will rise again.

This update is the best thing that could ever happen to srl.

And with any luck they might take out java bots :) leaving less autoers.

But if they take out java bots won't smart be affected by it? And if smart gets affected by it won't most people here be affected by it? :'(

From: kongking
But if they take out java bots won't smart be affected by it? And if smart gets affected byt it won't most people here be affected by it? :'(

smart <> Java bot. Smart = client using java. Reflection, however, would probably break.

Despite the fact I don't really want free trade/wildy back, I am more than willing to sacrifice Reflection, for less bots…

From: Bad Boy JH
Despite the fact I don't really want free trade/wildy back, I am more than willing to sacrifice Reflection, for less bots…

I too hope that reflection breaks ^^
(My project will get more attention, lawl)

From: marpis
I too hope that reflection breaks ^^
(My project will get more attention, lawl)

Heh I hope my project is completed before reflection breaks so that it can be used after reflection breaks.

If they could 'remove reflection' they surely would have done it by now, they are not sun developers. please try not to be so naive people

From: lordsaturn
If they could 'remove reflection' they surely would have done it by now, they are not sun developers. please try not to be so naive people

I don't mean remove reflection permanently, I mean a major engine update like Runetek5 that knocked out reflection (for SRL at least) for 18 months.

From: Boreas
I don't mean remove reflection permanently, I mean a major engine update like Runetek5 that knocked out reflection (for SRL at least) for 18 months.

It got fixed within 3 days though :p

From: Boreas
I don't mean remove reflection permanently, I mean a major engine update like Runetek5 that knocked out reflection (for SRL at least) for 18 months.

A new engine might come hand in hand with what they claim to be a break though in bot catching :( Bad for reflection, if they managed to break Powerbot so they have to do back to day one, just think how big the flame war would be on their forums lol :p

From: Zyt3x
It got fixed within 3 days though :p

Maybe I'm thinking of something different, wasn't SRL without reflection for 18 months? I remember back in the day making a temporary GetMyPos that OCR'd the tile off the on screen display of RSBot.

Troll Man, yea I'm thinking that IF there will be an engine update in the next 12 months, it will be for the new and improved techniques they have been talking about.

From: Boreas
Maybe I'm thinking of something different, wasn't SRL without reflection for 18 months? I remember back in the day making a temporary GetMyPos that OCR'd the tile off the on screen display of RSBot.

Troll Man, yea I'm thinking that IF there will be an engine update in the next 12 months, it will be for the new and improved techniques they have been talking about.

Yeah it was without reflection for 18 months, but then when people actually started to think about maybe fixing it, they did it in like 3 days.
Timer says he managed to fix it too

From: Zyt3x
Yeah it was without reflection for 18 months, but then when people actually started to think about maybe fixing it, they did it in like 3 days.
Timer says he managed to fix it too

Yea that's right around when I was very active good times, glad to see it's fully running now



Also I love this thread, I was reading all the replies laughing at all the fear from years ago, good times.. glad to see them bringing back no trade limits

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