SRL Archive - S.M.A.R.T. General and Q/A.

Look, I know that everyone is really exited about SMART. Even though I'm about to argue against SMART, Its not to say that I want it gone. I am just pointing out an idea. Don't take this in any way as me being "anti-Smart" (wow lol)


I few days ago, SCAR and SRL took a huge step forward in Runescape Macroing, but there is one question we need to ask ourselves. Is SMART for the better? One of the SRL rules is respect Jagex. Are we doing so by using SMART? Or are we becoming RS Demon? SMART is only open to SRL Members, but wont some SRL Members eventually take advantage of it? Some may seek a great amount of money though selling SMART to leechers. Some may just want to help their friends. How can we be sure SMART will not lead to corruption? I urge all my fellow members to consider this thought.

(this paragraph may make no sense at all as I am extremely tired.)

So what do you think? Post your opinions and or possible solutions to this problem. Remember that I love SMART and do not in any way want it to be taken away.

reserved for possible solutions

we still arent abusing jagex IMO, we dont have 80 characters running at 1 given moment of time…ill tell you this…all that having SMART now does it gives me more computer to work with on my pc, and allows me to test my scripts and watch while having another version of it open to edit as things go wrong (that on my laptop), my pc would have 2-3 VMs running and that would take up almost all my pc so i couldnt use it at all…now i run 2-3 SMARTs and i can still freely work on my pc (even though i do most of my things on my laptop) it may be abused, it may not, but its for the better for the majority. IMO

It is not abused now, but will it be abused?
Edit:wow Im a king black dragon, cool

well it may be abused soon, it has officially been leaked to the public on sythe…

[offtopic]i thought king black dragon was at like 700-800 posts[/offtopic]

already leaked into the public!!!! It seems we have more evil SRL Members than I suspected.

Off Topic: I guess King Black Dragon is also based on posts/Longevity

Personally, I am just using one client all the time. I don't have a need for MASSIVE amounts of bots. Just one is all I care about :D

I respect your ability to do that

Even I have great difficulty turning down multiply players at once

Well other then leakage. I agree with HyperSecret its not like we are running a server of 40 scar scripts at the same time, in a collective probably but nothing compared to the "chinese" farmers.

Also its nice that it takes only like half to a third of ram now, as well runs faster. The majority of us serious army runners had VMs anyways, now we don't have to rely on them.

lol you may be able to run like 3 smarts at one time…
if you have 10 computers like myself and other people… this is a huge step… you can have like 25 players online at one time.


Will it be abused?
only as much as scar :p.


there is a limit to how many you can run… ( not embedded but your hardware cannot keep up after so much ).

need any other info on it :p

Have you checked your CPU usage after opening SMART? You can't really run 30,000 SMARTs

If we abuse it, it would be one person, which would reflect SRL as a whole. In my opinion, there are only, what 50 members that visit weekly, so around 100 people using smart, counting dev's etc. As long as we don't release to public and keep it a members thing, I think it is something that members deserve.

If you think about it, tripling is a lot

we also dont want people to sell SMART to leechers. People making a profit off of Benland100's hard work, thats just wrong.

We think its just 100 ppl using SMART but it has already been stated that it has leaked out in Sythe (already!)

Smart is bound leek out and fall into the wrong hands

I dont know, maybe Im just paranoid

From: Macrosoft
Look, I know that everyone is really exited about SMART. Even though I'm about to argue against SMART, Its not to say that I want it gone. I am just pointing out an idea. Don't take this in any way as me being "anti-Smart" (wow lol)

You know what that makes you (anit-SMART)? A retard :)

From: Macrosoft
I few days ago, SCAR and SRL took a huge step forward in Runescape Macroing, but there is one question we need to ask ourselves. Is SMART for the better? One of the SRL rules is respect Jagex. Are we doing so by using SMART? Or are we becoming RS Demon? SMART is only open to SRL Members, but wont some SRL Members eventually take advantage of it? Some may seek a great amount of money though selling SMART to leechers. Some may just want to help their friends. How can we be sure SMART will not lead to corruption? I urge all my fellow members to consider this thought.

OMG NEWSFLASH, what about all those stoopit people using Scar! I mean come on, it could be like sold to people for money and stuff!!SHIFT_1 I really think that by CHEATING on their came with SCAR you are not respecting Jagex AT ALL! In fact, I think you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing. How about this, I take SMART away and label you as the reason? That would make you LOADS of friends :)

From: Macrosoft
So what do you think? Post your opinions and or possible solutions to this problem. Remember that I love SMART and do not in any way want it to be taken away.

Then why post at all? I see no reason or logic in your post besides wanting to argue/be known for starting the SMART wars, on the anti-SMART side :) G'day to you Sir.

Come on Ben, don't be too harsh. He was just pointing out his ideas… without breaking any rules.

From: bullzeye95
Come on Ben, don't be too harsh. He was just pointing out his ideas… without breaking any rules.

True, and if I was too harsh I apologize. However, drama goes both ways does it not? Its pure speculation to say SMART will be like anything else simply because its only been out for a day. So, how can you raise questions about its 'validity' without knowing what it does?

sorry?

I just saw a relation with RS Demon and got scared. Respecting Jagex and Runescape is a factor, otherwise we would not be restricting SMART to members. We dont want it to be abused. Think about all the people who abuse scar. Now multiply that by 3. Basicly, the point of this thread was to collect suggestions about how we can keep smart from falling into the wrong hands.

oh yeah and, please dont take smart away, i think Id be murdered :redface:

From: Macrosoft
sorry?

I just saw a relation with RS Demon and got scared. Respecting Jagex and Runescape is a factor, otherwise we would not be restricting SMART to members. We dont want it to be abused. Think about all the people who abuse scar. Now multiply that by 3. Basicly, the point of this thread was to collect suggestions about how we can keep smart from falling into the wrong hands.

oh yeah and, please dont take smart away, i think Id be murdered :redface:

Naw, I was just kidding around with ya to make a point. The last two major things I've released have both been compared (wrongly I might add) to RS Demon. Its just a stupid comparison. Scar is still Scar, you can just minimize it and do other things now, end of story :)

ok;)

glad you dont want to order my death sentence :)

PS: just learned C++ File streams, IM trying to make a script that does all the stuff needed for using SMART ;)

This thread is tl; so i dr. But basically as long as we still follow the 7 golder rules of srl then we are not becoming rs demon, or anything else. :)

It's getting late here…but I wanted to point out a few things…Ben made this to be released to the public…it has undergone extensive testing, and even when it was ready to be released, their was a big discussion on the "morality" of it….I won't say I single handedly stopped the release, but I was one of the last to give it my blessings …..We (SMART test group) have discussed every possible angle and scenario that may arise from releasing this… as was mentioned in this post…the people here that are "serious" about autoing, have more than 1 computer already and/or VMs installed on their computers…the technology has already been in place, to use multiple instances of SCAR, it just happens, that SMART now makes it more convenient….

My mindset is now this…. most people autoing, have a limited amount of time that they can use their computer…the actual autoing and creating a script have competed for priority of their free time…I am hoping, that the best case scenario is, that the majority of people, will now be able to use their time autoing in the back ground, while they can concentrate on learning to be more efficient at scripting as their priority…

Also, as mentioned…it was evident that this was going to be leaked….Ben created it to be released to the public…It was thought, that it should be given to SRL Members first, for a few reasons….First and foremost, because you guys deserve it most…most everyone active now, has made great attempts at becoming proficient at scripting with SCAR, and what better a reward, then being first to try this out….Second…think of how many people have had questions in the last 24 hours of this release..now, multiply that, by the entire registered user list, in addition to other communities that will refer people here to get this utility….it makes it much easier, when there are more people that are able to help answer questions….

I guess no one expected it would be leaked so soon, so I'm sad that the gift to the SRL members wasn't a bit longer lived…

~RAM

Smart wont hurt anybody, I mean its not that much different that the normal client, i can just do some other things on the computer while autoing, which in my case is awesome.

From: Macrosoft
already leaked into the public!!!! It seems we have more evil SRL Members than I suspected.

Off Topic: I guess King Black Dragon is also based on posts/Longevity

URL, please? There is always something you can do about things like these. There are higher powers from other boards here too. You could always ask for it to be removed. Just keep your ears and eyes open friends, and we will beat this.

it was released at Sythe someone was selling it for a price and they said they had sold 4 copies of it, prolly more but said only 4 were being sold, sythe has removed the thread already though

here the link on these forums

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21326?p=274939#post274939

SMART just gives us back control of our own computers that we auto on.

its more of an evolution than a revolution to me, but thats just my opinion.

i don't no about you guys ( i have a decent computer, not the best not the worst ), i can only run 2 smarts at once without getting major lag on my computer. all this does is enable us to auto and do other things on the computer. no different from VM's just more convenient, like someone else said.

From: legendaryhero90
SMART just gives us back control of our own computers that we auto on.

its more of an evolution than a revolution to me, but thats just my opinion.

Exactly..

I cant even run 2 SMARTS :(

Exactly, the possibility of running 10+ S.M.A.R.T's isnt really going to happen.

All i want is to be able to bot while doing other stuff. Yea maybe i want my autotalker to sell the goods that my other character is mining right now.

The only abuse it will cause is when Non SRL Members get their hands on it.. which i hope they wont

Ok guys you have me convinced

lock?

yeah, lock

I my opinion, if you don't agree with it, don't use it. It's like saying you hated Aryan and what it did too RS, but you would pump 20 bald-heads a night.

If you think you are some how more ethical using cheats that are more limited in terms of the number of client, you are delusional.

I would not be too concerned about tons of users runnings tons SMART. It has a CPU bottleneck (SCAR and the Runescape Client).

I would only be concerned with the number of users not the number of scars per user.

I got it guys, read the previous posts

BTW, if your concerned about the number of users, triple it, that is SMARTS effect

Im not suggesting that SMART is bad, im just saying that it can be abused and that we should try our best to prevent leakages (yep my thoughts have altered)

anyways, the previous posters have convinced me that there is nothing wrong with SMART

I meant you as in the general population, not actually "you." Sorry, should have clarified.

oh lol :)

Anyways, this thread should be locked, the discussion is over

From: BenLand100
I really think that by CHEATING on their came with SCAR you are not respecting Jagex AT ALL!

Finally, someone posted something above the whole "we respect Jagex" bullshit, someone finally said something honest for a change. I don't respect Jagex at all, I respect the game. Most people here don't want to run around in runescape and make as much cash as we possibly can then sell it on an auction site, we just want to test what we can do. Point being autoing is not respecting Jagex, not raping the game like we could is respecting the game and it's players, not the people who collect $5 a month.

I am not that active member, but me and Munky (on this forum he is S wishes) got a layout on some good scripts.

Yet there are not that many good procedures for SMART anyhow < which limits this.

Also you need to remember that SMART will not really do much damage, since these types of programs (Playing RS without using your mouse) are out in public already
like IBOT.

i like SMART and all but idk =S i havent really used it =p and anyways we are disrespecting jagex already lmao we MACRO/WE MAKE SCRIPTS!

~ and for those noobs who leaked the SMART go to hell lol =) ~

guys do you ever read the posts? the discussion is over, i got it

From: Dreadsthegreat
Yet there are not that many good procedures for SMART anyhow < which limits this.

All SCAR colorfinding functions and stuff work with smart, as long as you called settargetdc(smartgetdc);

Contrary to crap like KYAB, SMART still relys on skilled scripters to write scrips…

Even considering that SMART got out to the public, we will still be, by far:
The least raping
The most intelligent
The most undetectable

In my opinion at least. Now, I don't even know what KYAB is except for something with walking and java, but I love SCAR and SRL as it is, and I just see SMART as a much better replacement to a virtual machine.

From: King of Knives
Even considering that SMART got out to the public, we will still be, by far:
The least raping
The most intelligent
The most undetectable

In my opinion at least. Now, I don't even know what KYAB is except for something with walking and java, but I love SCAR and SRL as it is, and I just see SMART as a much better replacement to a virtual machine.

u forgot "The Coolest" :)

I think that S.M.A.R.T being released to the general public is definitly not a good idea, not only will we have a complete tidal wave of people wanting help to install it, but I believe it is best used so that you can continue testing out your scripts WHILE you write / edit one. Thats all I use SMART for. One SMART only. Run the script, when it finds a bug, I edit it, and next time i click run it will run better. It is definitly the best way to test, and means I can get really got Progress Reports while working, reports are no longer limited to how long I have to sit there and watch without doing anything else, but they last as long as I ask of the script or until it encounters too many randoms (or possibly an error, but SMART is fixing them hehe!)

I would like to thank BenLand100 so much, I don't even play runescape anymore, I merely write scripts to help out the community. I enjoy this, and it greatly improves my skills, especially having all the awesome scripters in this community, your tutorials are 100% awesome!

Thanks everyone again,
Fr0zN_S0uL.