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What to do?


EDIT: I will post my opinion later.

If he commits the truth and can promise it will not happen again, temp ban, otherwise perm ban.
"Everybody deserves a second chance"

What did I miss?

From: The Un-Named
What did I miss?

The search button?

Ok there was some app with passes in them, he stole the chars, but the guy recovered and send RAM some PM with the login screens (with IP). IP matched Hey321.

I don't see the other side of the argument other than a permanent ban, whether or not his excuse was true.

I say temporary.

Perm ban. Scammers are scum and we want to avoid them at all costs

I dont believe that code.

Anyway I say Temp Ban, People Dont Always make the right choices. Happens every day. thats how life is… Doesnt mean there necessary bad.
Nobody is perfect.. Especially at a young age… "thats when you learn".
Believe it or not people actually learn from there mistakes…
Iv'e Seen this work before. My mom takes care of teenagers that have a bad life. with drugs and ect.. However, I Strongly disgree Once A Theif always a thief. Its called Temptation. Many People including my self have done somthing we may have not wanted to do. Doesnt mean im always that kind of person.

I do however, Believe that its not as easy to over come temptation the second time. I just give them credit for trying to over come ther force of habbits.

However, I shouldnt have to say this because i think anyone can have a second chance ;)

Lol i never really like hy321 in the first place….


I think you may have to perm ban him for that though…

Thinking back for a second…

MOB (Mage of Begu). He got permanently banned. Why? Because he hacked accounts?

Why should Hey321 get off the hook easy for hacking accounts just like MOB did?

IMO, if we punish somebody for doing something under about the same circumstances, we should punish all for doing that same thing.

I think we should perm ban him. He scammed, and wasn't he messing with SRL stats?

I'm having trouble finding a reason to keep him around.

wow… Me and Hey321 had been friends for a long time, he used to be one of my best friends here. If he did that I say perm ban the bitc*

Well if this was a democracy i guess he is going to be banned :p However. The final decision (whether you like it or not or think its true or not) will probably lie with fawkster or danky. I have no problem banning him. I cant see any reasons to not other then that he is remorseful.

WTF… I just read through his whole thread… and I've got some problems with it…

1 - Yes you can take a dump for that long, I know for a fact.
2 - He needs to get some better friends.
3 - Stop talking about Ronny M.P.
4 - He does not have a good explanation.
5 - His story seems consistent although he keeps adding to it little by little each time he posts, so that makes me feel his is guilty.
6 - Could someone post the screenshots, I'm pretty good with photoshop / photo editing I could check to see if its fake.
7 - How would he get Hey's IP if he did fake it.
8 - 20 Minutes is not long enough to take stuff from 7 accounts and transfer all of it to a single account.

Thats my side of the evidence so take it as you will, I think a temp ban is good enough, although I think that would just give him incentive to either (a) Try and Ruin the Forums, or (b) Fix his attitude. I hope its (b) although I fear that it will probably be (a).

Ok, first off, this situation makes me pretty sick to my stomach… search and old KYAB post, and I wrote something to the effect, that sure…we are all cheaters here, but I don't think the MAJORITY of us would cheat, or rob people in real life….

I'm all for second chances…provided the situation warranted it….If he were to admit his faults and refund the stuff…approx 7k iron ores and willow logs…. Otherwise…No way..Perm ban, same as any other scammer….even if his pathetic story was true, he is still liable for his account…he understood when he went through the application process, that it was an honor to have that status…he has seen enough other people banned for the same things…..So common sense would say to safe guard his account…and it's this mentality, to have cookies enabled when a "friend" is visiting, that says he would leak stuff anyways….

Very ironic that he was the first person to post in Paul's application, right after he mentioned the screen shots…..

As far as me mentioning Ronny MP…Did I just decide to pull that name out of my ass ? …No, obviously I had a reason…and the reason being…that Damn Roger's IP Address again, that keeps haunting me….Still investigating that situation a bit, but does anyone know where HEY321 is from ?

~RAM

its unlkely as I have explained here. I will give him one more post, before this gets out of hand. After that we will decide what will happen to him.

admin: please temp ban him when he has replied and lock the thread please, when I am not online.

EDIT: ah, the Dramah! (sry, had to say that :) :) :) )

RAM I know you had a reason for it but that is in that past. I do agree with you however that he is liable for his SRL account. Maybe we should really make that statement adamant and add that to a "Terms and Conditions" for the SRL site?

How far in the past ?

Who is "The 1337" ( 1 2 3 )
BenLand100

I meant in the past, a literal term, that happened then, and this is now… You don't need to associate one bad seed with another, although it could be that you are right and they are associated. No need to attack me I was just trying to put at least a little bit of a positive outlook on this, and keep your judgment focused and the case at hand not experiences in the past.

Not attacking, sorry if you thought otherwise …this whole thing just seems out of context for Hey321 , and when I saw the Rogerøs ISP a red flag went up

Oh I see, I must've missed that part somewhere. I take it Heys' ISP in the Screenshot was the same as Ronnys'? Or am I missing a piece of info somewhere?

This guy Paul seems like a straight shooter, I see no reason not to believe him….

Well IMO Hey321's explanation was a horrible one. It doesn't all add up. Unless he has undeniable proof he didn't do it or he confesses, I say Perm.

From: c0de
No, no one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. That's true.

Smart people should learn on other's mistakes, not their own ;-). But then again it's true that people learn on their mistakes. When talking about the good and bad decisions, there is something called MORAL.

Tempted to loose friends, over pixels? He may think he wasn't going to be caught, but did he think about the guy who is loosing stuff… Even tho that stuff is illegally made but it's still his.

Did you ever repeat an action, that someone has done already and was punished with really harsh punishment? Ronny M.P. for example.

Taking drugs, smoking cigs is doing damage to your health, not other people's health. It's your own decision, it's bad one but it's not hurting anyone in case of loosing property. Of course when they run out of money for drugs, they have the need to steal, but being provoked by nothing to steal something is plain stupid IMO.

The once thief always a thief thing, well look it this way, there are 100+ drug users, they all want to stop because they realized what they were doing is bad. They won't do it again, but inside a community, there are RULES which prohibit scamming. It clearly says that scamming will result in ban. He was aware of rules and he did it consciously, he knew what the result will be in case of him getting caught. If we let one get away it would only make more of them come, because the punishment will be just temporary, letting them to scam even more. We must stick to the ''Once a thief, always a thief'' because if we don't we will get swarmed by scammers.

Drugs are addictive, scamming is pure greediness… you can do well without scamming, but if you're addicted to drugs you have some serious health issues and it's certain that you won't get the crisis of not scamming someone, like you would get if you didn't take certain drug.

Ok, When i said my mom has to take care of teenagers. I mean they have a Bad Life Because of Drugs (like Family Issues Many Things that can be the cause from drugs)… The Reason why i find this bad.. is because i dont think that there parents were very happy to see there own kids going through big trials, Believe me Drugs change people's life.
I have things that can relate to that as well… To be honest i would rather find somone Stealing Pixels over Somone destroying them selfs Physically and Mentally… Also I See More of an addiction in Drugs by far.

Many people Dont relieze what there doing is bad because they are only stealing pixels right? So As a Result People Think its Ok. Which may not be smart Yes. but its a Natural Thing that occurs.

Rules Yes, I see.. Just Like the no Speed Rule. You Speed You Get a ticket i See. So then… How Come Some Break them? Well So many reasons. (Not Counting Teens :p). Im Late for Work, My Son Is Hurt, Sorry Sir I didnt see the sign. But really lets get to the point here. I think We dont need to be so strict on this… You Might Get A Ticket from a cop on Average. However, to
me its like a Cop Pulling you Out of the car Saying "Once a Speeder always a speeder!". A Few minutes later you find your self Died. Because you speeded.
Basically What im trying to say.. I understand the Rules Say you break this so and so then you will be banned. Well i think thats a little harsh.
Somthing like a Ticket would be a little more professional.

However, I Now Can See That If somone was to break them twice in this Case then it can be a result of perm ban…

I Think, Many People Think That its not that bad so they keep doing it, I think a Fair Warning Saying "Hey! We know your doing that, Continue, and you will be perm banned" Would be more professional to do. Look at most other large communities

Like RuneScape for example : they give you black marks or whatever.
Giving you warnings.. Its nice for rules however, people always break them. and they regrit them when there punished however, being banned for ever.. is somthing that might harden there hearts. And i can understand why too.

From: SKy Scripter
Ok, When i said my mom has to take care of teenagers. I mean they have a Bad Life Because of Drugs (like Family Issues Many Things that can be the cause from drugs)… The Reason why i find this bad.. is because i dont think that there parents were very happy to see there own kids going through big trials, Believe me Drugs change people's life.
I have things that can relate to that as well… To be honest i would rather find somone Stealing Pixels over Somone destroying them selfs Physically and Mentally… Also I See More of an addiction in Drugs by far.

Many people Dont relieze what there doing is bad because they are only stealing pixels right? So As a Result People Think its Ok. Which may not be smart Yes. but its a Natural Thing that occurs.

Rules Yes, I see.. Just Like the no Speed Rule. You Speed You Get a ticket i See. So then… How Come Some Break them? Well So many reasons. (Not Counting Teens :p). Im Late for Work, My Son Is Hurt, Sorry Sir I didnt see the sign. But really lets get to the point here. I think We dont need to be so strict on this… You Might Get A Ticket from a cop on Average. However, to
me its like a Cop Pulling you Out of the car Saying "Once a Speeder always a speeder!". A Few minutes later you find your self Died. Because you speeded.
Basically What im trying to say.. I understand the Rules Say you break this so and so then you will be banned. Well i think thats a little harsh.
Somthing like a Ticket would be a little more professional.

However, I Now Can See That If somone was to break them twice in this Case then it can be a result of perm ban…

I Think, Many People Think That its not that bad so they keep doing it, I think a Fair Warning Saying "Hey! We know your doing that, Continue, and you will be perm banned" Would be more professional to do. Look at most other large communities

Like RuneScape for example : they give you black marks or whatever.
Giving you warnings.. Its nice for rules however, people always break them. and they regrit them when there punished however, being banned for ever.. is somthing that might harden there hearts. And i can understand why too.

a "ticket" here would be the equivalent of an infraction, which I actually gave to hey321 a week or so ago for flaming. the equivalent of what hey321 did in the real world is breaking into someones house because you found their front door keep when you were visiting and they werent home. in the real world, this is punished with returning the equipment and community service/jail time. so if we want to take a "real world" view on things, we have to relate it back to things which are similar. and since we have no community service that means jail time for him….

but no one learns anything from a temp ban anyway. sure, they know not to do it again but it doesnt compensate, and is no real punishment or compensation for the victim. unless he returns the stuff and shows remorse, then the perm would be the only thing to do, really. if he does show remorse and returns the stuff, then a 1 week ban or so.


edit, also if hey321 is such good friends with this guy, supposing that his story IS legit (which i highly doubt). it wouldnt be too much of an effort for hey321 to give us his email, msn or something so we can contact him, or even for him to get the stuff back right? could an admin point that out on the thread, please.

Ah, the ever present drama in RS cheating, I've always said If I wanted to deal with this much drama I would just try to juggle two or three girlfriends who don't know about each other at the same time, at least that would be more fun.

Scammers can come back to the light side, but not if they don't admit and take blame for their wrong doing. This has happened a few times on moparisthebest.com as well, and in cases where the member was respected, admitted his wrongdoing and felt sorry for his actions the ban was temporary, and in all cases so far they are still respected members. In cases where they blame it on 'their friend' or some other stupid excuse the ban simply remains permanent until they confess.

In this case that is the worst story I've ever heard, akin to 'sorry teacher, my dog ate my homework', I don't even know this guy and already I know he is guilty and a liar. Permanent Ban.

Taking a dump while having guests over is just rude. Ban him for that.

Oh Well, We All Have Diffrent Positions…

poor kid. XD.
too scared to tell the truth.. even though he did it.. still think he should get another chance..

Another one Bites the dust :(

So A Perm Ban it will be.

SKy, I love you, but you are too kind for this world. We are big men now, we need to set examples. We cant afford to be warmhearted, as much as I would prefer that to be. We need to be clear.

The decision is already made, but I'll post my opinion anyways..:p

Scamming is and will always be horrible. His excuse was horrible, I 100% believe it was him who did the scamming. I won't go into detail on that, because it's obvious he was lying. A lot of people scam, and I do believe everyone deserves a second chance. However, as Mopar pointed out, unless he admits up to it, that chance should not be given. We can't risk have a lying, cheating scammer in the SRL Members forums.