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Something doesnt add up with his script….

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17932

Look at the stats: http://stats.srl-forums.com/index.php?action=view_script&id=322

Worked for 9 1/2 months, with 249 logins. If i did my maths correctly thats an average of 70 hours per login. While its true that with a script like that you never log out, would it even last for 70 hours with the one character? Would anyone be stupid enough to risk it? Most of the proggies posted on the thread are 10, or MAYBE 15 hours at a time. Not one 70 at all, and going by the stats, every login has been just over 70 hours (on average).

Also, there has been talk of Hy123094130 scamming a Junior member of a members pin, on that thread. Hy1090988111111 has repeatedly told everyone that he has fixed a bug (using the pin that the junior member lent him), and that he didnt scam him at all. And yet, on nEG's fight caves killer, hy9823098 has asked if he can use nEG's function for getting out of a corner of the cave, because he hasnt got one. Even though that exact function is what he has been saying he fixed with that guys members pin, which indicates that he did in fact scam. I dont know the full story, read the thread to get a better understanding

And since when was his script in the top 10? I'm sure that a week ago it only had 2 or 3 months runtime….

I know that a few of you are friends with him too, so I ask that you dont say anything about this thread to him.

Thoughts on the matter?

Cheers.

An interesting speculation; I tend to trust him, but you have a point there.

Maybe an admin could check what IPs these long reports are coming from?

From: Smartzkid
An interesting speculation; I tend to trust him, but you have a point there.

It doesn't have to be him..
But yeah, 1 login per 70 hours.. =\

EDIT:
RS updated; almost every script stopped running..
Current:

Hy71194's Fight Cave Runner 424884 mins

Let's see in a few hours..

Edit2:

1,5 hours later:

Hy71194's Fight Cave Runner 425207 mins


Or someone has restarted the script very quickly, or it's messed up.

Yea, maybe someone edited his script and took the changing players out or maybe there is a little bug in his reporting for logins that doesnt allow them all to come through. I personally don't think hy would rig his stats or scam someone off a pin. But I will look into it as deep as I am able to look.

SRL reports logins, not the script.

Ok, then forget that idea..
But I still don't think he would do it.

I asked him this already.

From: Hy71194

From: Wizzup?
Hey,

How did your Fight Cave runner get that high in stats?
I don't recall it being number 6 in stats… 8 months seems darn long for 171 logins, too.
Do you have any idea what caused this?

~ Wizzup?

You are just jellous that I am gonna beat your VEM ;)
Hah, J/K.

Fight Caves is a Single Player thing. Here is my (mostly) main loop

procedure HandleCave;
begin
  if not LoggedIn then LoginPlayer;
  if not LoggedIn then Exit;
  if not InCave then EnterCave;
  if not LoggedIn then Exit;
  if InCave then
     begin
       AntiBan;
       FTWait(10+Random(2));
     end;
  if not LoggedIn then Exit;
  if TotalDone = TotalNeeded then Sleepy;
end;

See how on If not LoggedIn then LoginPlayer; ? LoginPlayer does NOT record SRL Logs. That is why it has only 171 logins. In my copy, I realised this bug and fixed it and made it so if not LoggedIn then LoginSetup, and login setup has nextplayer(true) then LoginPlayer in it- therefore recording Logs.

So, it is not my fault the stats are skyrocketing- it is just VERY simple, and simple actually is better in this case.

Well, thanks for PMing me, have a good day :)
~Harry

His story seems alright, but I still can't beleive it goes THAT fast.
It might not be him, though.

EDIT: His thread has only 12 pages..

I had talked with him awhile ago about this….

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Do an IP scan on this guy please, he has at least 3 accounts that I know of:

http://www.srl-forums.com/forum/member.php?userid=11275
http://www.srl-forums.com/forum/member.php?u=22704
http://www.srl-forums.com/forum/member.php?u=25429

I figued out about G Spotter and osmm because osmm told me his MSN is the MSN of G Spotter, and he posts a lot on my fight caves thread (which 99% of it is flame twords me :rolleyes: ).

Thanks RAM :)
~Harry

Indeed, all 3 same person…

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Users sharing the same IP Address User osmm wcmastery


So, what are you gonna do? ;)

Ooops, sorry for the late reply…1 acount is already banned and the other 2 haven't been active for a few months, but I guess i just ban one account and send him a message saying to only use 1 account, not sure why he was banned in the first place

Um, actually, i was the 1 that banned his account WCmastery in the first place…and I just banned g spotter also…and sent him a letter saying he was being watched…Thanks for the heads up,

~RAM



Sure, np, thanks for the replies!

Ok, without reading the flame war, could you please explain your side of the story regarding the allegations that you scammed this guy for a pin ?

Thanks,

~RAM

Yeah. Ok, so osmm comes to the thread when I say I need a members pin (cause mine ran out) He said he would donate one to me, and he did on MSN, for free. I said I would probably have the script 'bug' fixed within a few days. A few weeks passed. I could not get the bug he was talking about, so I abondended the idea. Later, he imed me saying 'you want to buy a guide for free members pins.
The guide which I bought for 5 mill (the guide is total crap, it just says how to scam people SMS pins) Read my post on page 9 I think- I posted it there for fun to show everyone how stupid it was.

So he ended up getting over 4 mill GP more than me in the end, and also a perfectly fine working script. :( :fiery: :mad: :duh: (woot, 4 perfect smilies in a row! :) )

So theres my simplified version of the whole thing, add my MSN/ask more questions here if you are still wondering something.

Well…I tend to believe you more than him, as you have been around the forums a bit more and a member, etc….but now you know why there is no buying or selling here on the forums :redface:…

Well, it is okay, I can get back 4 mill in about a week of autoing ;) So it is all fine with me, but I still think he should stfu about me scamming him; it is the other way around. xD

Now that you mention him…

My copy of SRL wasn't working a while back, and I couldn't for the life of me install it correctly (pyro couldn't figure out my problem ether). Anyway, I got a copy of SRL from YoHo.

Much to my surprise the copy of SRL I got had been SVN'd with this URL : http://www.srl-forums.com:8080/srl-repos/srl

I ran it by Yakman and he said that was the dev SVN URL. I looked around some more and found this note :

Just go to the SCAR folder, delete the WHOLE filder called includes, and also erase the files in the scar folder called: Chars(.dat), and ChatLog(.txt), then just extract this whole RAR file directly into the SCAR folder. And you better appricate me uppin this, it took me a long wile on dial-up X)
~Harry (hy71194)

Also, the auto responder is in there…according to Yakman thats a secret script or something.

There where also SMART files but I'm pretty sure thats just YoHo's work for personal use.

I've uploaded the .RAR for those of you who wanted to take a look. (I have however took out all the code from the autoresponder.scar because if that is as secret as its supposed to be…)

NOTE : There was a folder called "SRL" (it appears to be just a normal copy) and since I cant upload anything bigger than 1.95mb I removed that from the file because it wasnt SVNed.

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20408?t=22281

From: Ruroken
Now that you mention him…

My copy of SRL wasn't working a while back, and I couldn't for the life of me install it correctly (pyro couldn't figure out my problem ether). Anyway, I got a copy of SRL from YoHo.

Much to my surprise the copy of SRL I got had been SVN'd with this URL : http://www.srl-forums.com:8080/srl-repos/srl

I ran it by Yakman and he said that was the dev SVN URL. I looked around some more and found this note :



Also, the auto responder is in there…according to Yakman thats a secret script or something.

There where also SMART files but I'm pretty sure thats just YoHo's work for personal use.

I've uploaded the .RAR for those of you who wanted to take a look. (I have however took out all the code from the autoresponder.scar because if that is as secret as its supposed to be…)

NOTE : There was a folder called "SRL" (it appears to be just a normal copy) and since I cant upload anything bigger than 1.95mb I removed that from the file because it wasnt SVNed.

On the matter of the DEV SVN…Thats not a problem, that repository is closed. Only Devs have read/write access.

But as far as the autoresponder is concerned…Can you tell me whether you have my old responder, or is it the new one by masquerader? Both cases, consider yourself lucky, please keep it to yourself. That little include has lifted the ban on many many occasions and stopped legits from reporting us…

From: WT-Fakawi
On the matter of the DEV SVN…Thats not a problem, that repository is closed. Only Devs have read/write access.

But as far as the autoresponder is concerned…Can you tell me whether you have my old responder, or is it the new one by masquerader? Both cases, consider yourself lucky, please keep it to yourself. That little include has lifted the ban on many many occasions and stopped legits from reporting us…

You posted it yourself somewhere in this SSRL forums.. I have it to :rolleyes:. But i really don't see how that note came into there, maybe i don't get it.. But it was a Dev SVN send by Yakman to you, containing that note, or…. Im confused :duh:.

a yes. Forgot all about that. Age I suppose.

He also seems very cocky about the matter. His story does seem ok but realistically how many people would have a members account, and be willing to risk it by autoing?

Er…

Let's do some maths:
Gained 8000 minutes in 8 hours.
That is 1000 minutes per hour.
So approximately 17 people are running the script. 24/7.

12 pages in the thread.
Script has been downloaded 171 times.

Gaining about 4 times as fast as nielsie's stats.

From: Wizzup?
Let's do some maths:
Gained 8000 minutes in 8 hours.
That is 1000 minutes per hour.
So approximately 17 people are running the script. 24/7.

12 pages in the thread.
Script has been downloaded 171 times.

Gaining about 4 times as fast as nielsie's stats.

Seems highly suspicious. But then again this is a CHEATING community is it not? Therefore you must expect some cheating going on in everything, including the stats. I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done about it, just a little reminder as to why everyone is here in the first place, to cheat.

touche mopar.

But if he has been messing around with stats…as far as i can remember people have been banned for this kind of thing. I don't see why hes special enough not to get the same.

From: c0de
''Opportunity makes the thief.''.

I don't know whom to trust anymore, leechers come from all sides, they leech, later then they post keyloggers and shits without caring for what will happen to other one, the victim…

Why some people can't think before they act? What is SRL Community turning into? Big monster… new members sucks, and the existing ones are turning to scamming, as they see no joy and feel less rewarded for scripting.

Of course I'm not talking about all members, but we will never know who will be the next one… The next village idiot in SRL Community. Admin? Dev? SSRL?…

Well, thats sorta inevatible. Comes with growth, target audience and cheating mentality. We have been and always will be an ocean of tranquility amidst all rs-cheating violence.

Don't be sad. Things like that happen. It is natural. Overall, I must say, you guys have given me an optimistic feeling about the Future. A couple of years ago, I wasnt so optimistic about Earth-Future. Seeing you guys work, my mood has changed. (I just typed something similar at mopars :))

From: c0de
We need to make something new, any ideas?

You mean a new SRL Stats?

From: Wizzup?
You mean a new SRL Stats?

Whole new forums…

Update again..

Hy71194's Fight Cave Runner 447241 mins

Let's see in a few hours.

Hy71194's Fight Cave Runner 448606 mins

1365 minutes = 22,5 hours

in 5 hours time.. after an update.. still looks suspecious to me.

Closing regs and pruning old accounts maybe? This problem code is speaking of will only get worse

From: The Claw
Closing regs and pruning old accounts maybe? This problem code is speaking of will only get worse

Followed shortly by the community dying and then SRL is no more. Not a good idea at all.

You just need to button up SRL stats security more. :)

How would getting rid of old, unused accounts hurt SRL? Also I think closing Member Apps for like a week or so to get things fixed / closing the site down, except for the admins and give them like 2 - 3 days to just fix everything. Re-work the sites, fix permission errors, maybe prune old members, ect.

I think we need to start making a "To Do" list of sorts here… I think if we can get everything fixed up you know (not saying its bad now dank) just "clean" it up it would improve the sites bandwidth, and just make it run smoother, I'll think about that some more though later.

As Far as SRL Stats goes there is really know way to limit who is abusing the system or not, unless we can make all of the variables an un-alterable constant that is apart of SCAR, people are going to mess with them. If you could make SRL Stats into a plugin of sorts and encrypt it that would solve the problem as well.

Some thing's to do, or think about…

• Make SRL Stats Variables apart of an Encrypted include.
• Make SRL Stats apart of SCAR
• Make sure there are no holes in the Database

I haven't really delved to deep into how SRL Stats work (since I barely use them) so I can't tell you what to do, although I can give you ideas.

From: Special Ed
How would getting rid of old, unused accounts hurt SRL? Also I think closing Member Apps for like a week or so to get things fixed / closing the site down, except for the admins and give them like 2 - 3 days to just fix everything. Re-work the sites, fix permission errors, maybe prune old members, ect.

I think we need to start making a "To Do" list of sorts here… I think if we can get everything fixed up you know (not saying its bad now dank) just "clean" it up it would improve the sites bandwidth, and just make it run smoother, I'll think about that some more though later.

As Far as SRL Stats goes there is really know way to limit who is abusing the system or not, unless we can make all of the variables an un-alterable constant that is apart of SCAR, people are going to mess with them. If you could make SRL Stats into a plugin of sorts and encrypt it that would solve the problem as well.

Some thing's to do, or think about…

• Make SRL Stats Variables apart of an Encrypted include.
• Make SRL Stats apart of SCAR
• Make sure there are no holes in the Database

I haven't really delved to deep into how SRL Stats work (since I barely use them) so I can't tell you what to do, although I can give you ideas.

I don't see why you would want to encrypt that?
The only part you want to have fail safes is the PHP part.

Which is hard to do (in the php part) as you can't know what is legit and what is faked stuff. Limiting reports might cut down normal people with lots of comps/smarts/vms.

From: Markus
Which is hard to do (in the php part) as you can't know what is legit and what is faked stuff. Limiting reports might cut down normal people with lots of comps/smarts/vms.

True.
I made a PHP part, but I don't know how much it will cut down on the normal time.
Encrypting SCAR Stats might be a good idea, since the small protection that is in it now, is enough, and limited to each SCAR.

How about we do it in a plugin?
Set a starttime (in the plugin) when we load srl and also send the stats in the plugin..
You can only cheat banks + logins then, but not with the time.

From: nielsie95
How about we do it in a plugin?
Set a starttime (in the plugin) when we load srl and also send the stats in the plugin..
You can only cheat banks + logins then, but not with the time.

Until some smartass comes who uses WPE and figures out how the plugin works, and then hits the "replay packet" like crazy.

From: Markus
Until some smartass comes who uses WPE and figures out how the plugin works, and then hits the "replay packet" like crazy.

I doubt you will go that far for increasing you stats time =-\. The plugin would be possible, but if you ask me why protecting the stats that big? I like this rule more: Abusers get banned. If we protect everything there isn't much open source left.. Trust, thats where its all about.

From: mastaraymond
I like this rule more: Abusers get banned. If we protect everything there isn't much open source left.. Trust, thats where its all about.

Do you trust these stats?
No? Do you want to ban Hy for that?
The server side of this system is also closed source so why not the SCAR part?

I'd say let's try the plugin..

From: nielsie95
Do you trust these stats?
No? Do you want to ban Hy for that?
The server side of this system is also closed source so why not the SCAR part?

I'd say let's try the plugin..

I do not trust these stats, no. If Hy is messing with it, yeah ban.. Hugolord got banned to.
Yeah close source will fix the time, maybe. But still doesn't filter out false reports.. Run a lot of SCARs that only send proggies..

I'm just saying to make it so the variables are undefinable to the normal person, that only SCAR can read is so people can't change how many its sends. Basically I was saying to make all variables that you want to report apart of SRL, although that would mean you couldn't add to the variables unless it was a SRL Function.

Sorry, I didn't really explain it that well, It was a really, really, long day yesterday.

program New;
{.include SRL/SRL.scar}
begin
  SetupSRL;
  repeat;
    Wait(3000000);
    SRLRandomsReport;
  until(False);
end.

This will be in the top 10 within a day, no matter what protection … you could run X at a time …

Perhaps this is what Hy is doing too… or maybe something similar.

From: Sumilion

program New;
{.include SRL/SRL.scar}
begin
  SetupSRL;
  repeat;
    Wait(3000000);
    SRLRandomsReport;
  until(False);
end.

This will be in the top 10 within a day, no matter what protection … you could run X at a time …

Perhaps this is what Hy is doing too… or maybe something similar.

Exactly, Zzzum.
Or even worse, you could just check the GlobalStats.scar, and see what page it posts too, and make a html/php script which you can use to boost your vars…

I guess the only way to know for sure is to log every session that is used for every top 10 script, although that would take a lot of server resources, I suspect, hmmm. Would it be possible to do though? For every time a top 10 script stats is updated, the stats-account it was uploaded from and time that it added is logged. Then if we suspect something, we can look through the logs and see. For example if we saw a session uploaded by the user hy10883 and the session time was 300, 000 then obviously he is cheating. But if we saw a session by 20 users, each 500 minutes, then its legit. Then if we can prove that they are cheating, we would ban them from the forums straight up. This would only work if we kept this new system secret though…is it possible do you think?

The Trap: Set this system up. Ideally the logs would be ordered by script, then date of upload. So we could click on the script, then get a list of the username, the time and date that the stats were uploaded, and the details of the upload. We investigate the uploads and if he is cheating them then we interrogate hy, and tell him if he is cheating then to own up. If he doenst own up, ban him for good. Ironically liars and cheaters have no place here. We cheat jagex, not ourselves and our partners in crime. There is honor among theives (or is that no honor? lol.)

From: Hy71194
Sorry Tara :) In a few minutes I will pass you. :|

I'm liking this guy less and less every post he makes

45000 / 60 = 750 hours.
/ 48 (2 days)
= 15.625 people running 24/7.

I've been talking to WT-Fakawi about this.
Soooo.. I decided to make one myself, and see how popular it will become.