SRL Archive - Bot Information and Spottings

This following exerpt comes from a well respected source and is a very real mesage from RS-Staff.

As you know, over the last few weeks we've been gradually phasing in the [B]new offence system[/B]. ....
... You no longer need to report for Multi logging!...
...[B]login checks give us indisputable proof of players trading items between accounts that they own. [/B]....
....(To put your mind at rest, I should mention that this won't affect accounts owned by a multiple players in a single household).....

What could this possibly imply?

The only explanation I can think of is Jagex performs a subnode IP check. Lots of "household"s have a single IP, and the only distinction as far as Jagex can track imho is the IP's subnode. I have an IP/32, meaning I can connect 32 machines through a hub/router one the same I.P. My machines are labelled: 82.92.130.193:1 , 82.92.130.193:2 etc…. Using two accounts on one machine means I am trafficing data one the same subnodes between two Players, thus instant bannage.

Now, I am aware of the fact that virtually EVERYBODY has "shared" accounts, even the super legit players, and they trade items between those account. So I wonder what will happen once this system start collecting "evidence".

Just to warn you all:


Do drop/die trades instead, use two machines, or use friends to help you out.


Your thoughts please…

Would it be possible to use 2 diffrent computers using the same ip? (In other words, one uses a router)?

Create an account behind a proxy and always use it unsigned. This will provide you with a seperate ip. I personally and gonna let my brother kill me and take whatever I got and give to my main. We got many pk accounts that are legit so it should be no problem.

Sorry dialup lag double post.

Dosn't this mean that Impsofts bot is buggered. :confused:

how can jagex legally grab a sub-node list? thats why they have the uid the uid identifys computers. im highly doubting this.

Would this work with virtual machines? The virtual machines have their very own Hard drive and their own System IP's. These are my System IP's:

Router: 192.168.1.1
Main computer: 192.168.1.2
VM 1: 192.168.1.3
VM 2: 192.168.1.4

can someone answer my question on how they legally can get the sub node?

From: GenoDemoN
can someone answer my question on how they legally can get the sub node?

We don't have a clue, sorry. Well.. at least I don't. :)

Sure they have your subnode! They have your IP.'s logged, only they haven't done anything with them until the aryan hausse broke out. I know people that have been IP-banned from runescape on account of their massive massive abuse (24/7 with 12 or more bots running simultaneously.)
And although IP ban wont cure anything, relating IP's subnodes will offcourse. Most actions are serverside. Trading is one of those. The client only updates the graphics, but the server handles the changes inside the Player-Struct. Trading between same IP's happens a lot ofcourse, but trading between subnodes indicates a trade from one machine to the same machine….

Mind you, I am only hypothesising, I am unaware of their methods, but I think this is the only method of positively discriminating one machine…

If they have your IP, why not have the subnode, Geno?

Ubi=Fux0rd?

I think the only way ubi can run now is if it can interact with a proxy, witch will cause slower rs playing speeds. I guess this also means ALL BOTS from now on are screwed. Scar FTW ?!?!

DAM !!!! i was gonna do multiple trading

Fawki – show me one way to get that sub-node from accessing a site or in java. sure they have you ip but your ip is *.*.*.* not *.*.*.*/* or *.*.*.*:* thats why games like starcraft or warcraft3 if you behind a router with more than one computer conencted to it you cannot create a game it shoots request to an ip but the ip is spread over a few computes,, if the subnode i known then it will work but as you can see its not accessable especially if your behind a router cause the router takes the ip address and feeds a fake subnet one to everything behind the router for exaplme 192.168.1.1 There is no way for them to know.


and edit: if they did know how come none of my accounts are banned i've been running more than one account on the same computer for weeks using test verisions of UBI with very crappyscripts.

Maybe they've only finished the coding for trades :/

Or maybe they just watch computers on the same IP very closely… think about it.

>>Player 2: Focus Lost....
.....
>>Player 1: Focus Gained.....
>>Player 1: Puts up trade offer
>>Player 1: Focus Lost
.....
>>Player 2: Focus Gained.....
>>Player 2: Puts up trade offer

etc…
It would be ver suspicious, two computers on the same IP, trading, and alternating focus…
Just a thought.

thats more believeable iamadam – so then ubi would be better cause you'd never lose focus.

virtual machines will still be completely fine then… in my mind they can never stop VM's, since this would cut out too many legitimate players… like kids playing on school LAN's etc.

From: Iamadam
Or maybe they just watch computers on the same IP very closely… think about it.

>>Player 2: Focus Lost....
.....
>>Player 1: Focus Gained.....
>>Player 1: Puts up trade offer
>>Player 1: Focus Lost
.....
>>Player 2: Focus Gained.....
>>Player 2: Puts up trade offer

etc…
It would be ver suspicious, two computers on the same IP, trading, and alternating focus…
Just a thought.

I believe this could be true. It makes sense.

Or they could just do somthing like this:

Player1/ip1.1.1.1: trade Player2
Player2/ip1.1.1.1: trade recieved

Either way, Iamadam's idea seems more logical.

All my computers have the same ip! Wireless connection from a router.

From: WhiteShadow
All my computers have the same ip! Wireless connection from a router.

Mine too. :p

From: justkidding
Create an account behind a proxy and always use it unsigned. This will provide you with a seperate ip. I personally and gonna let my brother kill me and take whatever I got and give to my main. We got many pk accounts that are legit so it should be no problem.

for runescape to works u need a proxy that supports java script…so far i have tried at least 70 proxyes at my school to get around our stupid sonic wall…but so far i haven't found one that suports java…oh and if anyone know how to get around sonic wall other then proxyes please tell me…me and my freind already tried looking through our admin's cookies for the admin login url but we couldn't find it…he's so stupid he didn't enable url protection :P

Its called a socks 5 proxy. I made a thread about it in here in this forum. A normal proxy doesnt work with java. Just go to my thread about socks proxys. You can use them with 2 seperate internet browsers such as ie and firefox and multi login on unsigned easily.

I used to use a sock proxy and login on aryan all the time. And yes the socks ip you input in your browser or into the java control panel is the ip that shows up on runescape when you login.

Is there a way to find stable proxy servers 24/7? because I know of a swell program you can use to open up, Clients(Ie, swiftswitch, or normal RS client) as well as internet browsers, all the while behind a socks 5 proxy, I beleive its called.. Sockcap, If I am not mistaking. Anyways…more info later..

I don't use a proxy, and still haven't got caught.

Now i'm worried about trading over my comp with 2 accounts, or over mine and my brothers.:eek:

From: monkeyboy_2006
Now i'm worried about trading over my comp with 2 accounts, or over mine and my brothers.:eek:

All I do is go to a place where no one is and drop the items, and get it with the other account. I haven't been banned.

There are stable proxys. But you gotta usually pay for those. They are basically a pay service. I now just log internet explorer on a proxy and firefox on normal after deleting my uid and using unsigned on one of them and I dont have any worrys as its 2 serperate ips trading with ea other.

Ill have to look into this, but I am almost 100% sure that if you use the unsigned client that runescape cannot detect if you are running 2 accounts on the same computer

yes please do so. DropTrades are quite cumbersome…

From: moparisthebest
Ill have to look into this, but I am almost 100% sure that if you use the unsigned client that runescape cannot detect if you are running 2 accounts on the same computer

Yea, It can only prove that you're running them from same connection which they can't use to prove anything. You can just say you own internet caffe, or you have more computers in your house that are behind router (that should explain the same IPs) and since unsigned client doesn't save UID, they can't really determine are they on same computer unless they check for java app key or something that every computer has different.

What Iamadam was talking about would be a good way to catch us, we just unleashed good idea to jagex, let's hope they don't implement it. Anyway have your friend to help you with trading and try to find RL friend (maybe not even an RS player, just let him log on your account and do the trade) since other people might steal your char/stuff [Had some experience (lost few mills but hey.. I learned my lesson).

It's not such hard offence tho, you might get few day ban, it's not hard as macroing which usually gives perm ban if you had any black marks :) [My miner that I made with aryan gained like 70 lvls in few days. They weren't too hard on him, first they gave 7 days ban for macroing, and when I did offence again it was perm ban.] SCAR Autoers never got banned, they might not progress very fast like they did with aryan but it's more secure and bigger chances to keep it at high levels :)


So much from me,
c0de

I never use the same machine to multi log, i use 2 differnt comps and so do all my friends and none of us have ever been banned

I've been using scar for a week on my main mining, and I haven't been caught….hopefully never, but I accumulated over 500k worth of coal and something like 54 sapphires.

^^ I think you posted in the wrong Topic… And I suggest u calm down, cuz 500k in a week either ur exagerating or your gonna get banned soon…I mean u said ur using only one acount i.e. ur main^^..
Well back in the aryan days I use to not only multiple login with one computer and trade, but I also autoed on my main in the back ground and pked on my pure in the front.. Never got banned but that was before the big update…

Also Does anyone know if i could get banned for playing with 2 players on differnt worlds. Wht I mean is I am fishing on my main in a window in ..for example world 1.. and training pure in world 3.. both at same time.. Can i get banned for this?

so are you saying that the best way to log onto 2 accounts at a time is to log in at 2 seperate computers?

I'm sorry I don't quite understand alot of these technical terms.

2 computers wouldn't be a problem, I temporarily have 2 computers in my room :)

~Lucky

sorry guys, we've got off topic a bit, but….da_professa, I often log into 2 different worlds on the same computer and train, Always with my main and my best skiller, I usually stay at the same place and train the same skills at the same time, as it makes it a bit easier to concentrate, then I just drop trade to my main..I know this may not seem like alot to all of the advanced users of "autoers" here, but, gaining twice the resources at the same time is a plus to me. I have not had any problems with getting banned, I have been doing this for a 2+ years now, but not every day, maybe just for a few hours once a week or so…I have lost a few big trades do in WHOLE to my laziness not to find a more secluded place to do my trading "lesson learned there"….I'm not sure how this way of playing will look to RS and their new tactics though.

hey this gives me an idea.. I don't think I can script this, but wouldn't it be cool if we can have acounts logged into different worlds, and autoing on both … Like for example power mining.. we can have two acount power mining in different worlds.. Is that possible to script or it isn't..

{off topic} da_professa, I seen this thread, hope it helps you some, http://www.villu-reborn.com/showthread.php?t=2061&highlight=accounts {off topic} RAM

lol…My main just got banned today for macroing…Appealed it , waiting to see what happens

2 runescapes unsigned on same computer DOESN'T work, same error as with signed.

Can they detect drop trading then?

From: Kaldo
Can they detect drop trading then?

no not really…

if you just drop traded it…
things can get suspicious because i heard a rumor that everygp is flagged by jagex..


in this case just let ur noob acc kill u in wild then transfering done :eek: :eek:

Off course they can detect drop-trading! It is a transfer from one and the same UID! Player1 (With UID x) drops goods, and Player2 (with THE SAME UID x) picks it up again! Unless you use two clients with two unique UID's it is very very easy for Jagex to detect this.

I suggest as much as possible keeping you main and your autoing army separate. It's like 2 different games. Make your players independent.

From: WT-Fakawi
Off course they can detect drop-trading! It is a transfer from one and the same UID! Player1 (With UID x) drops goods, and Player2 (with THE SAME UID x) picks it up again! Unless you use two clients with two unique UID's it is very very easy for Jagex to detect this.

any chance to keep UID low?
or change?

:duh:

I think that they monitor the ips but if you trade quickly and don;t log in and out alot then im sure they will over look you .

actually, ijust traded withmyself today (before i read this) so i'll tell u what happenes…

i doubt i'll get warned even…

I beleive it detects the other computer as a network IP because i have two computers which are linked using simple ethernet adapters and a network connection.

From: Iamadam
Or maybe they just watch computers on the same IP very closely… think about it.

>>Player 2: Focus Lost....
.....
>>Player 1: Focus Gained.....
>>Player 1: Puts up trade offer
>>Player 1: Focus Lost
.....
>>Player 2: Focus Gained.....
>>Player 2: Puts up trade offer

etc…
It would be ver suspicious, two computers on the same IP, trading, and alternating focus…
Just a thought.

You could move the mouse with your other hand while "waiting" the other player to put the trade..:spongebob:

It doesn't matter what your mouse does, if one window is focused, that means all other windows aren't - that's what "focus" means.
Yeah, the focus idea might be viable. Probably not the best solution for them, though.

I still think that they are using the UID as the main source of detection.

To put your mind at rest, I should mention that this won't affect accounts owned by a multiple players in a single household

Seems glaringly obvious to me, by that quote. Perhaps they will no longer use a "random" UID in the future, but some kind of local computer identifier. Meh. I'd be pretty confident in ruling out any idea of internal network information or local hard-drive information. Privacy is an icky issue for somebody in Jagex's position.

I'm going out on a limb, but I'm going to say that this "news" is not a new implementation of "multiple login" detection, rather an internal change of the offense system to automatically ban in-between-accounters?

God, I really liked multi-logging…

From: GenoDemoN
can someone answer my question on how they legally can get the sub node?

Legally they can't…BUT they have your ip's so there is no stopping them if they wanted to…Jagex could destroy autoing if they wanted to…just alot of work and ALOT of player loss.

Can't we just delete the UID.dat ?

ok thanks

Damn, I just traded 70k ess from my autoer to my main. I'll keep you updated if anyone gets banned.

From: Exe
Can't we just delete the UID.dat ?

i was just going to ask that

i mean what if we delete regularly ? surely they cant find out then right?

i think that fakawi posted in a forum that he kept deleting his uid over n over again to fast world hop, but im not sure if this applies to anyting.

What is a subnode? do you mean subnet?

anyway

What else could they use to identify us, i agree with regecks i doubt they use thing such as hdd serial or mac.

But the website does say this:

Effective Date: 30th April, 2007

What other information is collected and stored?
We use cookies, collect and store IP-addresses, alphanumeric IDs and other unique identifiers in order to identify specific computers that access our websites.

How vague do they want to be? Could mean MAC etc etc

A cookie is a text-only string of information that a website transfers to the cookie file of the browser on your computer's hard disk so that the website can remember who you are. A cookie will typically contain the name of the domain from which the cookie has come, the "lifetime" of the cookie, and a value, usually a randomly generated unique number.

Possibly another location for a UID.

But if thats the case, what is the UID.dat for, it would be useless if they used any of the above.

I'm going out on a limb, but I'm going to say that this "news" is not a new implementation of "multiple login" detection, rather an internal change of the offense system to automatically ban in-between-accounters?

I just got banned for this on several accounts:

This account has been banned as it has received items gained from macroing on
another account.

Transferring items between accounts you own is in itself breaking Rule 8, reg
ardless of how they were obtained.

We have confirmed beyond doubt that this occurred, via our detailed records o
f in-game activity.

You have been deemed to have been in complete control at the time of the inci
dent.

The macroing account also got banned, but for macroing.

If they can ban you for trading with macroing accounts (regardless if you own the macroer or not) then multiple logging in is useless, you would have to concentrate more on not getting banned for macroing in the first place.

Also this trade happened about 1 month prior to the macroer being banned, 2 weeks later after the macroer was banned all accounts that traded with it was banned (which included a friends account on a totally different IP).

I know this for a fact because i only did one trade with the macroer (which was when i accumulated some number of essences, then went back to mining).

btw guys, this topic isn't new, look at the date fakawi posted this, last year.

But if I use 2 different comps behind the same router, if I want to DieTrade what Javas should I use? 1 signed & 1 unsigned or 2 signed so that Jagex sees they are 2 different computers?

They can track the trade regardless.

EDIT: Deleting the UID for trading doesnt work anymore, jagex now track where the actual item goes. If you trade from/to a macroer and that macroer gets banned, you will also get banned.

This was recently added to prevent RWT.

Thats scary….

Why has this topic limped on? The original post is from a year ago. I think we can let it die.

Why would you care, its still of importance, and nothing was solved.

And nobody has reported bannings of dual logging. I've never banned from it

From: bobarkinator
And nobody has reported bannings of dual logging. I've never banned from it

But people have been banned for trading between accounts, including me.

From: bobarkinator
And nobody has reported bannings of dual logging. I've never banned from it

There was just recently a thread made where hugolord stated his main was banned shortly after trading with one of his bots, and that same bot getting banned/He received macroed goods. How would they know that he was the same person that macroed the goods unless he was trading on the same computer he macroed on?
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12123
Could I (or anyone) get banned for trading with a lvl 16 in default selling logs/bars/ess?

I had a coal miner who got banned (same situation as hugolord, expect I didn't lose much) but before my bot was banned, I traded items with him using my main. The only thing I did differently than hugolord is I used two computers in my house. My main did not get banned, I still have it today.

I think this thread should stay bumped to warn people.

Hugo's thread also said that he didn't delete the UID in between the trade

From: bobarkinator
Hugo's thread also said that he didn't delete the UID in between the trade

He said he did.

no its just my bot got banned (negocio4) and i traded it one day before it got banned all its coal ot my main and jagex caught me

If he traded on one machine or macroed on one computer you don't think there'd be a possibility that his IP address would be the same? Meaning Jagax runs a background check to find the main to put an end to it? Losing a bot is one thing, but a main is something that'd make you stop forever.

People should start using tor. Tor is a program that is like a super proxy, when you run it with a program called prioxovy, there is no way they can tell you are using a proxy. The connection is noticeably slower, but its worth it. All of my auto are always running proxied, while my main/legit chars aren't. This allows me to use KYAB and RS (unsigned) at the same time, and safely trade. However, I haven't traded too much, as I rarely auto. (30 person army in tut, but none of the tut runners work for me :p)

I myself have NEVER used multiple logging… why use it when it's hell easy to just find a spot with no people and drop stuff? I know many member/free players that droptrade, with very high levels (100+) and never got banned… Everyone trades items to their other accounts, besides what harm does it have in giving items from one of your chars to another one? I highly disagree on that rule… If they implemented some system for drop trade or handing items to someone else to hold them that would ban thousands of players… if not hundreds. And I don't think jagex would want that…

I just run out in wild with all my goodies and let my brother kill me with his range pure in a secluded area. Screaming oh noes the whole time and then I trade him 1k rune ess for the junk to my main. Too easy and never failed me.

meh ive been drop tradeing

this scares me because after i think about it. jagex needs to make macros legal! this is bull crap. i hate always being brung down by the man!

well in other words it is always fun to have a challenge to try not and get caught.

i know this thread is super old and jmark u should have left it alone. But i never multi log in its way to detectable and by trading with each other and geting sometin for nothign it looks like u buyin gp online even if u not so i say drop trading is safiest way. the best way to do it is use 2 computers drop it on one acc and comp and pick it up on a diff comp staying logged in on the first this way u can pick it up fast if anyone comes along and then it dosent look so suspicious.

Multilogging has never failed for me.. And been doing that for years.

i thought that drop trading was dumb and you were supposed to multilog or have a friend help u trade…

EDIT: post 69 hehe

would it be possible to use a proxy + your own IP?

07-17-2007 This topic is old let it die!!!