SRL Archive - General S.M.A.R.T.

I will make it a poll, though Ben will have a decisive say in this.

No, I think Smart Should stay within the "bounds" its already! abused as it is :)

From: SKy Scripter
No, I think Smart Should stay within the "bounds" its already! abused as it is :)

It can't be abused.. :)
Yes from me.

No. it gives SRL members something to work towards.

very strongly against this

Hmm release to public.
Completeley out of the question.
Releasing smart= another Aryan (almost)
Smart will be
The level of privacy it has now is perfect, 20ish or less people.
If we let all SRL members have it, it will DEFINITELY get leaked too.

I say no for two reasons:
-Not ready for it; SCAR needs to fully support SMART before any releases; By fully, I mean 100% 'Drag & Drop'.
-Abuse

It may be abused but…. how?

you cant run more than one at a time right?(or was that changed)

all it does is give the user access to his computer while scar autos…

…. they can auto longer yes … but isnt that what we are working for?

if they auto 24/7 they will get the results yes :p (duh ban)




but on the other hand there would be so much : "how the fuck do you use this" "this shit dont work" "this is retarded" "this is detectable!" … i mean so much complaining…

i can garuntee that… even if they are SRL members.
look at SSRL we complained a little bit like that mostly "this shit dont work".. but atleast we post what are problems are.




if we do not give it to public we would look selfish (who cares).

If we do release it we will get leaks + 1000x more apps and members a day.


im not voting yet :p is there a set date on the pole?


also

is it fair not to release to members?
not really, they may quit early with scar and leave us because they dont feel welcomed enough or that they will ever be good enough to get it.

is it fair to release to members?
it would not be fair to the SSRL members who have been here and actually learned something and exceeded expectations.


so what do we want? the fire or the flame?

This poll will close on 10-22-2007 at 09:13 PM

No for me, just because it doesnt really work flawless yet for everyone, and all that would happen is we would get 1000's of noob questions about it, about things we cant fix.

remember its bens final decision …

but going off what i read(you can use more than one client) and how its not ironed out all the way… i think in my honest opinion that it should stay private for now.

What makes you guys think this will be abused?
You can't even run 2 smarts at the same time, try it.
Smart's heavier for your comp than normal RS with SCAR, try it.
SRL Members only, No, this is a beatiful thing made by Benland, nicely integrated in SCAR and should definately be availabe for the public.

I do agree with Smartzkid though, we should make sure it is 100% integrated in SCAR before releasing.

So, not with initial release of SRL 4, but after some time, to the public.

EDIT: 100% integrated as in, a fully working plugin.

you can run 2 at the same time, I tried it out about an hour ago and it worked fine, just it lagged so much that it wasn't worth it, cause it went so slow and often the chars lagged out. but my computer isnt really high-end, so maybe someone with a really really good comp might be able to do it, but I cant see them running more than 2. I voted no because I have had a lot of trouble running it minimized (radial walking..) but in the new version that seems to be fixed.

the only thing that could be done now is probably getting all the chars right, like enter and shift and stuff, everything else seems to be running wonderfully.

You told me it didn't work well, The Claw.

You guys still don't get this is a cheating community, even SRL Members = Free.
Only 1 has to leak, and it will be on all forums and every leecher can get it…

yea in that post i meant it worked fine, as in it actually worked. but then i said it lagged too much for it to actually work (who wants there chars lagging out). theres a difference between working fine and working well :p sorry if i didnt make myself clearer.

I say No, never release it to the public. It truly gives SRL members something to work towards.

If we release this, what really separates SSRL from SRL? The odd script…? Whats the point in having SSRL then?

I'm not bothered how much this could be "abused", i just think we should give SRL Members something to work towards, so they (and we) feel like they truly deserve the bot when they get it.

We don't have to release absolutely everything someone creates you know.

I hate the idea completely. If completely defeats the purpose of SSRL

Thats actually a pretty good point star..we would need to make an announcement about us having it though, if it was going to be something to work towards. But then again, I thought that SSRL wasnt meant to be something to work towards, rather a suprise bonus for working hard in the first place?

Well thats what it originally was going to be, but it got out and now everyone knows about it.

As for the announcement…

The so called "Hidden" secrets of SRL

We created that a long time ago…

From: The Claw
Thats actually a pretty good point star..we would need to make an announcement about us having it though, if it was going to be something to work towards. But then again, I thought that SSRL wasnt meant to be something to work towards, rather a suprise bonus for working hard in the first place?

You cannot apply for SSRL, it's mainly for discussions, fun and testing stuff that cannot be release to the public because of it's BETA stages.

I mean, hype it up a bit, make it known that it now works near perfect, to get them excited a bit about it. Cause if I was going to be working towards something, I wouldnt really care about a half finished, very buggy program that doesnt really work - which is what everyone was saying when the secret got out

edit - wizzup, i know :p you can work towards it by trying to get noticed as a good scripter, etc, thats what i meant.

From: Wizzup?
You cannot apply for SSRL, it's mainly for discussions, fun and testing stuff that cannot be release to the public because of it's BETA stages.

I disagree.

I see SSRL as the elite of the community; the best scripters; the true SRL Members; the people who actually put in effort and deserve something in return.

I think their hard work should be rewarded with something only they have access to. It makes it special.

Claw, you are correct, we should hype it up a bit. We can all rephrase that thread i posted here, and then I'll modify my post

Well, it should be Members at least and in my opinion even Juniors. Why?

1. Secrecy. You cant keep this a secret! You may try, but you will end up with a lot of people freaking out. You all know what I am talking about. Took a lot of energy to get that straight.
2. Abuse. S.M.A.R.T. is not such a big deal compared to any other bot. It like having SCAR 's silent mouse back, if Freddy made a silent mouse to SCAR, nobody would complain. You can't possibly run more then one and thats a good limitation.
3. Image. It will be a very nice gesture from this community to the audience. It will be welcomed with a lot of enthousiasm. It will be good for SCAR, and thus good for us. Finally a major scoop for us thanks to Ben!

But, as I said I think Ben should have the final word on this, but my advice would be: Juniors.

I say No, never release it to the public. It truly gives SRL members something to work towards.

SRL Members aren't supposed to know about SSRL.

If we release this, what really separates SSRL from SRL? The odd script…? Whats the point in having SSRL then?

The point of SSRL to have a closer, more trustworthy community to operate from.
Also for fun, and serious projects, but not to keep projects from it's final stages, like becoming public.

I'm not bothered how much this could be "abused", i just think we should give SRL Members something to work towards, so they (and we) feel like they truly deserve the bot when they get it.

Again, SRL Members have nothing to work towards except for developer.

We don't have to release absolutely everything someone creates you know.

As far as I know it was meant to become public.

I'm not saying keep it secret, I'm saying keep it private. I don't mind how many people know about it, I just think it should be a reward and privilege to use instead of a given which is only leeched again and no feedback is given… again.

As i said before, I'm not worried about abuse, I know you can't run more than 1 (possibly 2) from what i have heard.

The release of SRL 4 isn't a good enough gesture to the community from us? As i said before we don't have to give out absolutely everything.

Its Java based (I think looking at an old source)… Won't that cause an uproar with … *certain* … people???

Not all Registered Users and SRL Junior Members know how to edit their scripts and SRL to have Smart work correctly. I'm against releasing it because this is really the lowest usergroup I know of that is leak-free. Releasing it to anything below SRL Members would be alot of work in step-by-step guides and answering complaints.

I don't have anything against releasing it, but if you guys don't want it released, I also have no problem keeping it here. But, if you're worried about leakiness, plug ins are REALLY easy to add authentication to. It could, if you were so inclined, be linked to the SRL forum name/pass so you can keep track of who uses it where.

From: BenLand100
I don't have anything against releasing it, but if you guys don't want it released, I also have no problem keeping it here. But, if you're worried about leakiness, plug ins are REALLY easy to add authentication to. It could, if you were so inclined, be linked to the SRL forum name/pass so you can keep track of who uses it where.

yes. when its released, i think that authentication should definatly be added

I totally disagree with auth.

From: BenLand100
I don't have anything against releasing it.

Well then I guess thats settled! I knew you'd say that. Lets all stop being selfish here and let everybody enjoy the benefit of a minimizable SCAR. There have been talks about this for years (literally!), and finally we are getting there, and now you all want to keep it for yourselfs, lol. Thats just utterly unfair now, wouldnt you all agree? I know I am playing the Devils Advocate here, but we need to have an argument.

From: WT-Fakawi
Well then I guess thats settled! I knew you'd say that. Lets all stop being selfish here and let everybody enjoy the benefit of a minimizable SCAR. There have been talks about this for years (literally!), and finally we are getting there, and now you all want to keep it for yourselfs, lol. Thats just utterly unfair now, wouldnt you all agree? I know I am playing the Devils Advocate here, but we need to have an argument.

It should either stay here or be released to everyone. What I see is that if people can't get Scar to work correctly or can't extract the SRL correctly, how the hell are they going to add 5 lines of code to their script and then edit TypeSend. It will just lead to more complaints and a bad atmousephere. On the other hand, people will come from other communities back to Scar because they can do more with it. It gives them another path of scripting with more opportunities. I don't have a great opinion of the general population so my opinion may look at 'the glass is half empty' side of things. If you think you can keep it so the good outwieghs the bad and answer the majority of the complaints then there shouldn't be a problem.

I totally disagree with an auth system being put in. Either it should be released where everyone gets it or it should not be released at all. If everyone has access to it then there is nowhere for it to be leaked.

Wow, If you cant run more than one I do not see a problem (as stated in my first post).
Ben (knowing him) probably meant this to be public after a while.
I have no problem ether way Ben.
As of right now I think we should keep it here until we get the bugs worked out.

From: Town
It should either stay here or be released to everyone. What I see is that if people can't get Scar to work correctly or can't extract the SRL correctly, how the hell are they going to add 5 lines of code to their script and then edit TypeSend. It will just lead to more complaints and a bad atmousephere. On the other hand, people will come from other communities back to Scar because they can do more with it. It gives them another path of scripting with more opportunities. I don't have a great opinion of the general population so my opinion may look at 'the glass is half empty' side of things. If you think you can keep it so the good outwieghs the bad and answer the majority of the complaints then there shouldn't be a problem.

I totally disagree with an auth system being put in. Either it should be released where everyone gets it or it should not be released at all. If everyone has access to it then there is nowhere for it to be leaked.

Var
   useSmart: Boolean;

I can easily implement that in SRL.
Indeed, no auth.

Noobs asking for help? Yes, do they not ask for help right now?
Indeed, they do, noobs will always be there, and they will ask for help, may it be with Smart or with normal SRL.

Fawki, are you just going to disregard the poll completely???

3 votes for yes, 10 for no.

I mean come on, what was the point in even asking for our opinions if you don't value them and are just going to do whatever you feel like anyway…

I'm not being selfish and I am not being unfair; I think, infact, it is actually the other way around.

I agree with start completely.
The poll is clear black and white. 76.9% DO NOT want this to be public. I wouldn't call us greedy as none of us use SMART 'hardcore' yet. I just fletch now and then, and the minimized doesn't work completely yet also. Releasing this will just screw up autoing.

Most kids auto only at night because they use their computers.
Others cant even auto at night because their parents, so they auto for a few hours in the day.

Releasing this will enable ALL of the 1K+ people who auto do it as long as their computer is on. And this will just add onto the 'Chinese' autoers and create more chaos, and this will be in more than just cutting yews.

Releasing this will also terminate the point of SSRL and giving SRL Members something to work towards SSRL will be a rank with no benefits.

Its cool that this is a huge breakthrough and will be cool for all people to know about and they do. Starblaster posted a sticky about SMART and its powers, and many SRL members are working to obtain it. Its obbvious that in interest in scripting is dying fast, and we are getting way too many leechers and not enough scripters. By having smart private, but telling everyone about it, it gives all people a WONDERFUL prize to motivate them to script and excel further than just FindObj and simple clicks.

I think SMART is the only motivation left, and by displaying it out of their reach (not as greedy people but to show what good scripting can get you) is a good thing to do. If we just release SMART, so many people will just stop scripting or not care as much, as they already can auto minimized with it.

Overall, i am EXTREMELY against this and believe SMART is fine where it is, releasing will just cause harm to SRL, Runescape, and enthusiasm to script overall. The people of SSRL have already spoken though the poll results, so please consider it. I say to keep it private, not out of GREED, but out of COMPASSION for the sake of Runescape and SRL Scripting Community.


K Thx Bai,
YoHoJo

For the last time; IMO a SRL Member CANNOT work his way towards SSRL!!

Shee…

From: YoHoJo
I think SMART is the only motivation left, and by displaying it out of their reach (not as greedy people but to show what good scripting can get you) is a good thing to do. If we just release SMART, so many people will just stop scripting or not care as much, as they already can auto minimized with it.

You got be kidding me..

From: Starblaster100
Fawki, are you just going to disregard the poll completely???

3 votes for yes, 10 for no.

I mean come on, what was the point in even asking for our opinions if you don't value them and are just going to do whatever you feel like anyway…

I'm not being selfish and I am not being unfair; I think, infact, it is actually the other way around.

As Fakawi posted, ben's vote is final in this. Remember?

well im not really sure what to think, i know you can only run 2 at most, on the other hand, it gives something for people to work for.

i think right now, im for releasing it, cause it would make Scar more popular,
but im quite weak on that opinion, i guess i could be easily convinced, so maybe its better to count me as neutral

From: Yakman
well im not really sure what to think, i know you can only run 2 at most, on the other hand, it gives something for people to work for.

i think right now, im for releasing it, cause it would make Scar more popular,
but im quite weak on that opinion, i guess i could be easily convinced, so maybe its better to count me as neutral

The point is, before Smart there already was a SSRL section, was it at that point not worth to 'work towards to'?

From: Wizzup?
The point is, before Smart there already was a SSRL section, was it at that point not worth to 'work towards to'?

I was thinking the same thing. Though I voted no, I'm leaning more to yes now. Smart can run max 2 rs windows, and many people will just run 1 due to lag, no more abuse then scar already does.

I really don't know what to think…

Maybe if we where to release it to SRL members SSRL could get one with proxy support or something…just an idea.

Then everyone is happy :)

From: Starblaster100
3 votes for yes, 10 for no.

I mean come on, what was the point in even asking for our opinions if you don't value them and are just going to do whatever you feel like anyway…

If it makes you feel better, I could just edit the poll… :p
Think about it this way, what if we took a poll about you releasing your [insert script here] free? Would that affect your decision to make it a pay script or not? In reality, if I was so inclined to post the source to it in the General section, I could. I believe that Fakawi was just curious about what you all thought, not that he was going to act based on what you thought, especially since it would be my decision in the end anyhow.

Furthermore, almost everyone starts out as a leacher. Why make it hard for them to get things and turn them away when they could have possibly contributed later to the community?

I'm in favor of it being implemented into SCAR… Just a reintroduction of Silent Mouse, Right ?

~RAM

From: RAM_RUNE
I'm in favor of it being implemented into SCAR… Just a reintroduction of Silent Mouse, Right ?

~RAM

I can see that you've used it :p This isn't something that should be part of scar I don't think. Look at how often I release a new version :)

I'm all for that :p.

Just work out all of the bugs first.

I beat almost everyone can agree on that.

Oh, Also make a tutorial that covers everything so we get less questions on how yo use it.


then releasing it public would not be a problem for me.

I ask one question, how is this any different from a Virtual Machine? I think all of you who don't want it released are going to shoot down pretty much any steps to go forward anyway, so why hold back ;)

I've given this a little bit of thought and decided that even though I voted "no" I am for whatever BenLand wants to be done with S.M.A.R.T; after all, it is his.

Hey Ben you should get a 24 hr + report with S.M.A.R.T. before you release it :p

Other than that I think it should be released to members with a very detailed tutorial.

From: Dark_Sniper
Hey Ben you should get a 24 hr + report with S.M.A.R.T. before you release it :p

Other than that I think it should be released to members with a very detailed tutorial.

I made a 'bug' tut, tutorial shouldn't be too hard.
It's easy to implement a wait until SMART has fully loaded. :)

Repeat 
  Wait(1000);
Until WelcomeToRunescape;

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16060?p=219005#post219005

The only thing that should be changed, however is the prefix I think, just a worldnumber is better. :)

From: Wizzup?
The only thing that should be changed, however is the prefix I think, just a worldnumber is better. :)

Whee!

procedure SmartSetupEx(worldnumber: integer; hiDetail, signed: boolean);
var
  prefix: string;
begin
  prefix := ReadINI('World' + IntToStr(worldnumber), 'Prefix', AppPath + 'includes\SRL\SCSS\worlds.ini');
  if(prefix = '')then
  begin
    writeln('Invalid world number or corrupted world list. Please review your settings');
    TerminateScript;
  end;
  SmartSetup(prefix, hiDetail, signed);
end; //~SK~\\

From: Smartzkid
Whee!

procedure SmartSetupEx(worldnumber: integer; hiDetail, signed: boolean);
var
  prefix: string;
begin
  prefix := ReadINI('World' + IntToStr(worldnumber), 'Prefix', AppPath + 'includes\SRL\SCSS\worlds.ini');
  if(prefix = '')then
  begin
    writeln('Invalid world number or corrupted world list. Please review your settings');
    TerminateScript;
  end;
  SmartSetup(prefix, hiDetail, signed);
end; //~SK~\\

Wut, nice.
I'll def add this (or Ben) to Smart.scar.

Add it, but remove the FPS slider, as it allows you to run like, uhm, 10 smarts at every old crappy comp?

From: Markus
Add it, but remove the FPS slider, as it allows you to run like, uhm, 10 smarts at every old crappy comp?

Well I can't.. Maybe you can but my 2.66 Ghz can run 2 smarts max.

2.0 ghz 256mb ram anyone?
With cherokee I could run at least two, I think around 4 with SMART, slider at 6%

From: Markus
Add it, but remove the FPS slider, as it allows you to run like, uhm, 10 smarts at every old crappy comp?

Be warned that various things (the BoxSolver for instance) requires that the fps be set really high in order to work, so regardless of the slider, you still can't run very many.

If SMART were ever to be released to the public it seems more logical to just include it with SCAR rather than SRL

From: Freddy1990
If SMART were ever to be released to the public it seems more logical to just include it with SCAR rather than SRL

How about neither? Plus, the nature of SMART is not to be easily embedded into anything. You'ed have to rewrite at least some of it in delphi to get the resources right, and to do that, you'd need a working jni in delphi… I'm not against it being in the Scar distribution, or in the SRL distribution, but it should not pe a 'part' of scar. Really, nothing should for all intensive purposes. Thats my opinion however…

From: BenLand100
How about neither? Plus, the nature of SMART is not to be easily embedded into anything. You'ed have to rewrite at least some of it in delphi to get the resources right, and to do that, you'd need a working jni in delphi… I'm not against it being in the Scar distribution, or in the SRL distribution, but it should not pe a 'part' of scar. Really, nothing should for all intensive purposes. Thats my opinion however…

I meant as a plugin just like it's now :) But just if it'd ever be released to the general public which I hope it won't…

i dont like it. not at all.

this should be ssrl only like it has been.

now, if you want to add an auth system into it, that would be cool and dandy.

but i dont like being reliased t more people.

EDIT:
Wizzup chalanged me and forced me to actualy think and figure out why i dont like it.

it boiuls down to this.

this is nice, is easy, and it is a convenience.

i dont think that we should give this convenience to pople who dont work for it, or desever it.

im not saying it should be a goal, it just shouldnt be given out.

we get plaenty of leachers and all without making it this easy, let them be, this wont help much.

From: Freddy1990
But just if it'd ever be released to the general public which I hope it won't…

Because?

From: BenLand100
I can see that you've used it :p This isn't something that should be part of scar I don't think. Look at how often I release a new version :)

Actually, No, I haven't used it yet :redface:… I was just playing Devil's Advocate…SCAR was released with silent mouse…this is basically the same thing…or could be if it was implemented into SCAR as such, it would be…. I really don't see what the big deal is ?

~RAM

From: RAM
Actually, No, I haven't used it yet :redface:… I was just playing Devil's Advocate…SCAR was released with silent mouse…this is basically the same thing…or could be if it was implemented into SCAR as such, it would be…. I really don't see what the big deal is ?

~RAM

Silent mouse was limited by your screen size.

SMART isn't.

Yes ram, smartmouse just made you be able to atuo and use your mouse also, but the RS screen HAD TO BE VISIBLE, so it wasn't used too much unless you high a very high screen resolution/dual monitors. SMART is minizeable and soon you can run more than 1 at a time. IMO it will totally ruin autoing if released to masses (i dont auto much, but i remember the arayn days, and i know you auto lots RAM :p, i dont think yourd like having to fights 20 people for one ore =) )

From: LordGregGreg
i dont think that we should give this convenience to pople who dont work for it, or desever it.
im not saying it should be a goal, it just shouldnt be given out.
we get plaenty of leachers and all without making it this easy, let them be, this wont help much.

I guess I should point out that the only reason anyone lower than the few people that I share stuff with even knows about SMART is because I decided to slowly release it out of the goodness of my heart ;) Going off of your logic it seems that SRL Members should have to earn the right to use the anti randoms as they are created, which of course is not the case, as almost anyone can use the SRL anti randoms if I'm not mistaken. To be honest, I'd be willing to bet money that the Boxbreaker alone allows more autoing which otherwise wouldn't happen than SMART would if its released. :rolleyes:

Antirandoms and BoxBreaker and NECESSITIES to autoing, its nice that people give them free, but we pretty much NEED them to auto for elongated periods. SMART is a benefit and is not NEEDED to auto, its an extra which should be hoarded to ourselves like the greedy monkey maggots we are!

From: Wizzup?
Because?

Because of every reason that's been mentioned in this thread, you know how I feel about stuff like this

From: YoHoJo
Yes ram, smartmouse just made you be able to atuo and use your mouse also, but the RS screen HAD TO BE VISIBLE, so it wasn't used too much unless you high a very high screen resolution/dual monitors. SMART is minizeable and soon you can run more than 1 at a time. IMO it will totally ruin autoing if released to masses (i dont auto much, but i remember the arayn days, and i know you auto lots RAM :p, i dont think yourd like having to fights 20 people for one ore =) )

Again, you guys forget we at SRL have NO real impact on RS cheating, not even when you can run 3 (wow!? lol) SMARTs.
My scripts eat CPU, so I can not run more than 1 actually, maybe with a good (low CPU) WC'er you can run 3, max..

Aryan was at least 7.
Aryan had alot of mining, which is as stated as above (for scar) a CPU eating process.
SMART has no impact on RS cheating.

From: Freddy1990
Because of every reason that's been mentioned in this thread, you know how I feel about stuff like this

No I don't in fact, I won't quote you, but you told me you didn't know what to think, that you had no opinion. ;)

Here is what i think :

It is ENTIRELY Bens creation thus it is ENTIRELY Bens decision. In my opinion we have absolutely no right to 'want' something to be done with SMART. If Ben wants it he can, no questions asked…

At Ben : Go ahead and do what you want to. I'm fine with anything you decide.

I don't want anything :) I just wouldn't like if… There's a difference :)

From: Wizzup?
Again, you guys forget we at SRL have NO real impact on RS cheating, not even when you can run 3 (wow!? lol) SMARTs.
My scripts eat CPU, so I can not run more than 1 actually, maybe with a good (low CPU) WC'er you can run 3, max..

Aryan was at least 7.
Aryan had alot of mining, which is as stated as above (for scar) a CPU eating process.
SMART has no impact on RS cheating.



No I don't in fact, I won't quote you, but you told me you didn't know what to think, that you had no opinion. ;)

How do you know SMART has no impact on RS Cheating? You can't know, because its not released to the mass…..

5 guys using Aryan has no impact to, but when 300 people run it, it HAS got impact..

From: YoHoJo
Antirandoms and BoxBreaker and NECESSITIES to autoing, its nice that people give them free, but we pretty much NEED them to auto for elongated periods. SMART is a benefit and is not NEEDED to auto, its an extra which should be hoarded to ourselves like the greedy monkey maggots we are!

You could auto without them, you only perceive them as being necessities because you are used to them. Take DTM and DDTM for example. Essentially, you could auto without them, but no one is going to say that they don't make things a hell of a lot easier. Also, no one is going to suggest that DTM's be something that must be earned.

From: mastaraymond
How do you know SMART has no impact on RS Cheating? You can't know, because its not released to the mass…..

5 guys using Aryan has no impact to, but when 300 people run it, it HAS got impact..

The people who use SCAR are limited, just look at the srl-stats.
A month/week of RS Demon can produce the same amount of ess, I'm sure of that.

SCAR scripts don't run for ever, SCAR scripts don't ruin RS Cheating, SCAR + SRL Scripts are undetectable, a good script will not even be noticed by the average player.
This is a big difference, as long as the legit's don't notice it, it doesn't matter. ;)

From: Wizzup?
The people who use SCAR are limited, just look at the srl-stats.
A month/week of RS Demon can produce the same amount of ess, I'm sure of that.

SCAR scripts don't run for ever, SCAR scripts don't ruin RS Cheating, SCAR + SRL Scripts are undetectable, a good script will not even be noticed by the average player.
This is a big difference, as long as the legit's don't notice it, it doesn't matter. ;)

That's the problem.

We're mature enough to respect jagex, other players, and our armies. We level our bots, use good names, etc.

Leechers come here, see srl - 'undetectable'; 'OMG YAY'; then run scripts with few players, low levels, and for long amounts of time.

SMART would just multiply the problem.

Oh, and we'd get a veritable flood of new leechers.

And not everyone uses SRL stats you know, so it is a very poor representation of the number of people who actually use SCAR

From: Starblaster100
And not everyone uses SRL stats you know, so it is a very poor representation of the number of people who actually use SCAR

Freddy should make a counter, of individuals opening scar…

From: mastaraymond
Freddy should make a counter, of individuals opening scar…

I open about 3 at once, with 7 tabs at once, and my IP always changes. (No kidding)

From: Smartzkid
That's the problem.

We're mature enough to respect jagex, other players, and our armies. We level our bots, use good names, etc.

Leechers come here, see srl - 'undetectable'; 'OMG YAY'; then run scripts with few players, low levels, and for long amounts of time.

SMART would just multiply the problem.

Oh, and we'd get a veritable flood of new leechers.

The whole idea is that they have no idea of us auto'ing, so there is no problem.
5 x 0 = 0 problems.

Low levels - I think not, but maybe I am wrong.

Maybe a poll?
'do you really level your characters to 20+?'

From: Starblaster100
I open about 3 at once, with 7 tabs at once, and my IP always changes. (No kidding)

Well you're just difficult now aren't you ;)

From: BenLand100
Well you're just difficult now aren't you ;)

well i have a lot of things to look at

From: Wizzup?
The whole idea is that they have no idea of us auto'ing, so there is no problem.
5 x 0 = 0 problems.

Low levels - I think not, but maybe I am wrong.

Maybe a poll?
'do you really level your characters to 20+?'

I've pondered this many times also…I doubt the people that don't level them would be honest…personally, I have spent the last year leveling my army to 50+ combat and just as of lately have begun seeing a "return on my investment"….perhaps we can try to implement what The Un-Named had suggested here ? …. Anonymous data collection?

~RAM

I voted no, however I do feel if it should be released, it would be capped(no more than x clients, even 1?(1+ = abuse?)), and closed sourced, but that's just me.

I'd like to change my opinion a bit.
Definately not for the leechers (at least, not yet).
I never realized you could actually run more than 2, but now nielsie's running 5 Smarts at cpu ~60%, we might indeed have an impact on RS2 cheating. :p

EDIT: As metioned before, maybe just (even for members) remove the FPS bar?

After talking to nielsie my view on releasing it further than here has been pushed even further towards no. I mean, he can run 5 easily..prolly a max of 9 or 10, if he killed all the other processes running. This definately could be aryan all over again, very easily.

The only reason that my scripts are in free section atm is because of the limitations of SCAR, if smart was released to members i would have all my scripts moved to SSRL, cause hey I dont want irresponsible people raping rs with them, which WOULD happen. my lumby miner, gets about 1k coal in 8 hours on LVL 50 miners. imagine that on level 65 miners…running 5 at the same time. you could say thats 5k coal, in about 6 hours. which is way too much for the economy to handle…20k coal a day, not to mention wizzups VEM, tara's scripts, cows would get raped too, along with some other scripts.

my point is, we have seen that this can easily be aryan all over again and i wouldnt trust anyone in srl members or free section with the responsibility of not raping rs.

I have 6 running now without lag, I probably can run 7 or 8 when I terminate all unneeded trash.. But that wont happen :p
Yes, SMART is a great tool. Yes, it can be abused. But if Ben wants to release it for free; I have no problems with it.

From: nielsie95
I have 6 running now without lag, I probably can run 7 or 8 when I terminate all unneeded trash.. But that wont happen :p
Yes, SMART is a great tool. Yes, it can be abused. But if Ben wants to release it for free; I have no problems with it.

What? Ow man, no wonder your stats are boosting! If that is really the case (I cant run more than 1, I can, but one of them always crashes ) then I will be forced to adjust my views on this. Now I say, do not distribute!

But nielsie95, how on earth can you run 6 - 8 S.M.A.R.T. 's, you must have a very powerfull mobo. Whats your secret?

My new computer which doesn't crash every 15 minutes :D
And you need to create a separate folder for each SMART (got that from MastaRaymond).

From: nielsie95
My new computer which doesn't crash every 15 minutes :D
And you need to create a separate folder for each SMART (got that from MastaRaymond).

Hehe, yeah im running 2 when I am behind my pc ( can run 3 without lag, but i dont have got enough accounts). When im away i can run 4\5 SMARTS…. So yeah you could abuse it badly….

SRL <> Abuse..

Yep, My Opinion has definitely changed also…I will say, I am a bit jaded with the stats being reset…I just wanted to see what the top level looked like, then depart for awhile…I am going to finally check out smart this evening, but I will be removing my stats id and give some other people a chance at being in the top ranking…and maybe I can disappear into obscurity ;)

~RAM

From: RAM
Yep, My Opinion has definitely changed also…I will say, I am a bit jaded with the stats being reset…I just wanted to see what the top level looked like, then depart for awhile…I am going to finally check out smart this evening, but I will be removing my stats id and give some other people a chance at being in the top ranking…and maybe I can disappear into obscurity ;)

~RAM

You will recieve the Nr.1 Award anyway :) . Its nice to have stats. I am hoping Dankness will find time to make a Grand Total Header, SUM of all scripts, plus a Grand Total Autoed. Dont disappear…Its wonderfull to have someone to look up to in stats :)

Thanks Fakawi, I was in a bit of an EMO mood lately :redface:….Ok, back on topic……I was able to get 4 SMART s running at the same time..I didn't try to open more than that…it was just a simple test script…..and now I know if i wanted to, I could wipe Nilse off the face of the Stats board :p…So, yeah,I never realized just how simple SMART is…GREAT GREAT WORK BEN !!!!!…but this is definitely a bit more than just silent mouse revamped…it would be nice if you and Freddy could work together, to create a way to implement it into SCAR as a silent mouse replacement, but as far as releasing it…I truly see how powerful a tool you have created….I'm glad you are responsible enough to discuss it at least..

~RAM

From: RAM
Thanks Fakawi, I was in a bit of an EMO mood lately :redface:….Ok, back on topic……I was able to get 4 SMART s running at the same time..I didn't try to open more than that…it was just a simple test script…..and now I know if i wanted to, I could wipe Nilse off the face of the Stats board :p…So, yeah,I never realized just how simple SMART is…GREAT GREAT WORK BEN !!!!!…but this is definitely a bit more than just silent mouse revamped…it would be nice if you and Freddy could work together, to create a way to implement it into SCAR as a silent mouse replacement, but as far as releasing it…I truly see how powerful a tool you have created….I'm glad you are responsible enough to discuss it at least..

~RAM

I dont think SMART will ever be build in SCAR, basicly because SCAR would become a runescape only cheat^^.

4? Aww man, what are your computers stats? I still can't run more than 1, even when they're in different folders :(

I've got an AMD Sempron 3000+, and 512mb of ram. Maybe i need more ram?

From: The Claw
4? Aww man, what are your computers stats? I still can't run more than 1, even when they're in different folders :(

I've got an AMD Sempron 3000+, and 512mb of ram. Maybe i need more ram?

I've got an Dual Core E6400(2.16 ghz) and 3gb ram. With new computers you can abuse SMART heavily, with old ones you only can run 1 xD.

From: mastaraymond
I've got an Dual Core E6400(2.16 ghz) and 3gb ram. With new computers you can abuse SMART heavily, with old ones you only can run 1 xD.

My comp isn't old.. :redface:

From: Wizzup?
My comp isn't old.. :redface:

Oh, wait, Old\Cheap computers can only run 1 :rolleyes:.

From: mastaraymond
Oh, wait, Old\Cheap computers can only run 1 :rolleyes:.

Hey, my computer is 4 years old, has 12 times less memory then yours, but it can run at least 2 smarts (lame and newbminer, didn't test more but I'm sure it can run 3), so it should be
"Crappy computers can only run 1".
*Increases his army and tests how much smarts he can run*
edit: Running two now, and yes, it does use 85% cpu, but I still got 15% cpu power left.
Sorry Wizzup, your comp just sucks.

1,5gb RAM.
2,66 Ghz P4…

wtf?
1. My comp is full of crap (99% sure I got a shitload of adware)
2. Het is een klote aldi apparaat van november 2002
3. It got a oc'ed processor (2.0 @ 2.1)
4. It got 256mb ram, you got 6 times as much. (Ok I got a lot of swap, but my hd is very slow (16mb/s))
O.o

I might be able to run 2, but my scripts (like VEM) just take up alot of CPU… :P

/me rapes rs, but properly :p
*Trains chars to 40+, dresses with full addy and starts mining

From: nielsie95
I have 6 running now without lag, I probably can run 7 or 8 when I terminate all unneeded trash.. But that wont happen :p
Yes, SMART is a great tool. Yes, it can be abused. But if Ben wants to release it for free; I have no problems with it.

How in gods name did you get 6 running? I demmand a screenshot ;)
Edit: You might get 6 open with little lag, but try to run a script or two and watch it crash and burn XD

From: BenLand100
How in gods name did you get 6 running? I demmand a screenshot ;)
Edit: You might get 6 open with little lag, but try to run a script or two and watch it crash and burn XD

Why not calculate how many he's running by looking at his stats?
BTW, I can run two smarts (with scripts, lame and chickenkiller) and my cpu hasn't burned yet :f:

From: BenLand100
How in gods name did you get 6 running? I demmand a screenshot ;)
Edit: You might get 6 open with little lag, but try to run a script or two and watch it crash and burn XD

He is running 6 all the time, look at the SRL-stats. ;)

But What scripts ? Do auto Dancers count ? :rolleyes:

From: RAM
But What scripts ? Do auto Dancers count ? :rolleyes:

Chicken Killers.

From: BenLand100
How in gods name did you get 6 running? I demmand a screenshot ;)
Edit: You might get 6 open with little lag, but try to run a script or two and watch it crash and burn XD

I have 6 scripts running.. (+ MSN, FireFox and a legit RuneScape ^^).
I'll edit with a screenie later today.

From: RAM
But What scripts ? Do auto Dancers count ? :rolleyes:

Im running 3 ^^, Vem and 2 Chickenkillers, Firefox and msn. Works allright ;).

As promised:

From: nielsie95
As promised:

Dual monitor or extreme widescreen?

From: nielsie95
As promised:

Comp stats?

From: nielsie95
As promised:

Very nice, strangely thats the same number of aryans that I ran per computer back in the day…

From: BenLand100
Very nice, strangely thats the same number of aryans that I ran per computer back in the day…

I could only get 5 running on my 512mb machine. :P

Oh well, from desktop to laptop and I could probably get 6 running(ran out of accounts).

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7730/5smartsod8.png

2 screens, yes.
Intel Core Duo 6750
2gb Memory :)

Un-Named, how high's the slider there?

From: nielsie95
2 screens, yes.
Intel Core Duo 6750
2gb Memory :)

Un-Named, how high's the slider there?

Pretty low, not at the bottom though. http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2938/70883137wu6.png

^About that on each.

My pc stats:

1919mb Ram(graphics card pinches some so it can go as low as 1750mb), AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-56 @ 1.80 GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache for my processor. (Dual core).

I'm sure if I modify the scripts I use ever so slightly(faster mouse movements when clicking ect, remove a lot of wait's) I could probably get 7-8 in with the slider at the bottom.

My question is does the box solver work at those low speeds? If not I believe there is an option to reset the frame rate, which could be done after the box is found, but before you attempt to solve it… ;)
Edit: SmartGetRefresh and SmartSetRefresh to change the slider from the script.

From: BenLand100
My question is does the box solver work at those low speeds? If not I believe there is an option to reset the frame rate, which could be done after the box is found, but before you attempt to solve it… ;)
Edit: SmartGetRefresh and SmartSetRefresh to change the slider from the script.

I'm not sure, I got a few Ricks(check my stats, that's from an hour of running them) and a frog(didn't solve) but they seemed to respond pretty well. Like I said, there was hardly any lag, I've had worse lag running only 1 RS on my 512mb machine.

Although, it doesn't take long to modify the AntiRandom procedure to set the refresh rate at about 20-30FPS.

EDIT: Well one of my ricks got teleported, so yeah, not too bad.

EDIT2: I was running around 5FPS.

Box works great on my machine (check stats) :).