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SRL is growing at an alarming rate.

Yesterday alone, we had 116 new registrations, bringing our total to nearly 30k members. (Currently 29,756 but at this rate, it will only take another 2-3 days)

However… Active Members: 5,790

Only 19% of the total members at SRL forums are active.

Whilst this is not a bad thing, i feel this forum is becoming less and less of a community, and the forums i have grown to love are slowly being destroyed from the inside.

I propose we close SRL forum doors for a while with the release of SRL 4, but still allowing guests to download the official SRL include from this site. This way we can revive the SRL spirit by showing existing members we do care about what is happening to the forums and we are doing our best to protect it.

Unfortunately, i feel this needs to be done as there has recently been a huge influx of members all wanting "cheats and hacks" for a game they play… something called RuneScape… They are not looking to help us, but are instead looking to help themselves and with so many leechers entering the doors each day, morale of existing SRL contributors are falling. Eventually this will lead to no one contributing anything anymore and SRL will eventually die out.

I feel this can be done because posts are being made every 2 minutes… open iSpy and you'll see what i mean. I mark forums as read at night, sign on in the mornings and there are 400 new posts for my to read. We can teach our existing members how to being SRL members, and give them something to feel special about… that they are in such a strong and friendly community which is only accessible to them.

Even if you don't want to voice your opinions, please vote in the poll. I think this is an important issue to be discussed.

Thanks

Starblaster100

Unfortunately it is not my decision, though I do agree, but there is a commercial issue at stake here. Dankness is running this forum and it is in his greatest interest that income matches serverrent. I think (not sure though) at the moment we are doing break-even. I know that once we close registration income will freefall. That is not what Dankness wants, I can assure you that. As far as I know he is not in the financial position to donate 100$ per month, neither am I for that matter.

Once again, I do agree, but that is entirely Dankness decision to make.

Yea, thats a good point.

I think we could limit the SRL Public forum, but not totally close it, that would be such a waste of the new talents who might want to join, but can't.

Who has amazed you recently with their talent? Probably no one.
I wouldn't have suggested it if we were getting a huge influx of talent into the forums, but unfortunately thats not the case… they are all here to use what we provide; not contribute.

About the finances: if we closed registrations, assuming that everyone who is active stays active, and that we have a separate page for the non-registered who want srl, wouldn't the financial situation stay nearly the same?

Also, Google only pays per-click; maybe we need to find another advertiser who pays per view?

Meh, open a private server community and have 100k noobs flood the forums, thats what Mopar did…

Grumpy old git part of me wants to close regs, ban 90% of srl members, and 99% of registered users. Realistic part of me may have a compromise solution.

I see noobs as water: you need em, but too many and you drown. Let's build a dam, keeping most out, letting a small flow through. I talked to Dank, and he said a usergroup can be created that you automatically be upgraded to with certain post count, longevity, etc. Below SRL member there will be 2 usergroups, outsider and insider (we won't call em that). Outsiders get upgraded to insiders automatically, so no apps, have access to tuts, SRL, autofighter, wheat/cabbage banker, power miner/chopper, basically just enough to show that SRL works. It would be great if posts from the outsider section didn't show up in New Posts or iSpy, but IDK if that's possible.

On a related note, as I have said before, I do not believe great scripters are born, they are made. So we don't need to let in 10000 noobs to get the next Fawki. We let in some (or what we have now is enough), and we teach registered users up to the SRL member levels, SRL members to SSRL, SSRL to dev. Also, we can always reopen regs, it happened before and SRL survived. Voting yes (duh :p).

How hard would it be to prune 0/1 posters….Every damn one of them. It would clear up the numbers, which would be nice…

I posted about this a while ago in the Dev section..
Keep in mind it is still summer, when school starts up again registrations may slow down a lot. I'm all for the idea, but as posted, it's really Dank's decision.

11345 Users have not been active over 2 months. Below are the forum registration stats:

Administrator  	5  	2  	
Moderators 	3 	7 	
[B][COLOR="Red"]Registered Users 	24,647 	19 	
Users Awaiting Email Confirmation 	4,386 	- 	[/COLOR][/B]	

Banned Users 	159 	- 	
Best Newcomer 	- 	- 	
Communists 	- 	1 	
Misrable 	2 	12 	
Mostly Harmless 	- 	- 	
SCAR AlphaGroup 	a- 	11 	
SR Helper 	- 	39 	
SR Tester 	- 	11 	
SRL Developer 	31 	5 	
SRL Master 	- 	17 	
[B][COLOR="Red"]SRL Member 	447 	43 	[/COLOR][/B]
SRL Scripter 	- 	73 	
SRL Senior Member 	- 	12 	
SRL Tutorial Writer 	- 	27 	
Suspended Users 	115 	- 	
Village Clown 	1 	-

Overall I dont think we are doing a bad job at all. 500 members in one and a have year. The filter is doing an excellent job. Although I would like to see more groups and flow, like more SSRL members, Masters, stackable avatars, reputation. Uptill now this has mainly always been my job, and it takes a hell of a lot of time and vision filtering the good from the bad.


EDIT: I would love to have approx. 50 SSRL members (10% of SRL-population)

I like this idea, however we should have a outsider section with very little scripts, and some tuts, if they can show us a simple script, maybe a snippet of theirs, they become a insider, where they get access to more scripts, and tutorials, with a more-helpful group of people, then eventually they will make it to SRL Member (same way as it is now).

For the finance issue, keeping a outsiders group should work perfect, as they will be still surfing the forums as they are clicking the ads at the same time. Heck, i will click the ads 3-4 times a day if you guys did this. Not like I do it already(sometimes).

i click the ads (by accident sometimes.) and click when im interested.

beside that i like Boreas's idea.

Closing of registration may become a financial problem yes and if that happens… we are screwed XD.


but if we do as Boreas says we will be victorious XD.

From: Starblaster100
Who has amazed you recently with their talent? Probably no one.
I wouldn't have suggested it if we were getting a huge influx of talent into the forums, but unfortunately thats not the case… they are all here to use what we provide; not contribute.

I disagree. I still see a steady flow of new talents like Rogeruk popping up out of nothing at least once a week. I was like that too. I leeched and leeched until I finally got it. It was only then I started to post. There is lots and lots of slumbering talent, as long as you keep things clear and organised. Whatever it is that we do, I propose we do it fast.

• Lets go for Boreas proposal. Subdivide the registrees, but not on basis of rep or postcount (remember Kaitnieks?), but on longevity and activity.
• Also lets prune the real inactive one, I say we prune half, it wont matter for serverload at all, but will give the community a good shock.
• Rearrange the forum according to Star's proposal, thread on mod forums :)
• Reset Stats?
• Use our influence on other forums to "promote" SRL, with stuff we organize like
• Star's Competition (I will donate one month member to next competitionwinner) or
• stats/sigs/wiki/bug/svn add-ons which makes this community really unique.
• And all free of charge.
• Good mature atmoshpere
• Actual content
• Backbone of Cheating

Stuff like that. Sorry not much time tonight, but action must be undertaken indeed. We cant seem to keep morality up with the forums in its current state.

Well right now i think we have too many good scripts in the public section. I know it is normally the scripters choice whether they want to release it to everyone or just members, but releasing such powerful scripts to these people just encourages leeching.

I think we should only release a few scripts to the public, and make the public work hard to get SRL member status and hence the better scripts.

Right now, i think we have better scripts in the public section rather than the members section.

Boreas, the only problem with that is that noobs would spam to get their post count up to get the insider status. Unless we do it by time registered, post count and a tiny bit of rep?

EDIT: OK i like Fawki's suggestion about longivity and activity. Maybe we can implement this soon?

Sounds good to me. If so, are we pruning inactive SRL Members, and such legendary accounts as Stupid3ooo's?

Yea I agree, but Dank said he's not sure about activity.

Monkey- Stupid stays :p Also any other impersonation blockers. Just the 0 post 1month+ etc.

As Fawk said, let's act fast. I'll make a thread to decide what to be in outsider section.

Lets try to get things done this weekend, ok?

Things to do:

1. Subdivide registrees.
2. Reorder Forum.
3. Get the Public svn going!!!!
4. Prune? (Dankness <-?)
5. Reset Stats? (Poll?)
5. Issue a renewed mission statement, extended rules, focussed on learning.
6. Have this statement pop up at least for a week ar first login. I will work on the new statement, and I will post here for review.
7. Mass add SSRL-members (25 - 40), based on longivety/activity/behaviour.
8. Enable reputation maybe? (without concequences offcourse)

And in the near future, renew infraction method. I usually dont hand infraction cause it is too much work right now. I want to simply click a button and not be redirected to a new thread where I need to fill in a reason (but maybe I dont understand infraction)


EDIT: The forums will need to be closed down for a couple of hours. I propose SaturdayNight 00:00 GMT (approx. 18:00 EST)

Whats stats would be reset?

I don't think we should mass add SSRL members, i reckon how the voting system works atm is good, and it shouldn't change.

Rep is not enabled? I've been handing rep out to people since the start of the forums … :(

I though forum reoder was going to be done with SRL 4 release? Scrap that idea and do it now?

From: Starblaster100
Whats stats would be reset?
I though forum reoder was going to be done with SRL 4 release? Scrap that idea and do it now?

• rep is enabled yes, but not evident for the mass.
• The script stats.
• At least lets build a list of peeps that are SSRL-meat.
• Totally forgot about that. Can we release SRL 4 this weekend through svn? Is 3.12 ready? Not sure what the status of the publlic svn is at the moment, nor the state of SCAR 3.12

I think it would be quite a shame to reset script stats. I mean, your goblin scheduler working for 1 year. Thats quite an achievement… you want to get rid of that?

Yea, i agree, lets build a list and poll them all soon

3.12 is not ready yet, Freddy still wants to release beta 4 before the actual release (or so I'm told?) Still some bugs from beta 3 to fix as well…

SRL 4 is basically ready IMO, just maybe a few of the skills.scar have to be updated, but thats about it.

For a number of your points we really need Dankness… but does anyone even know if he still wants to help / check out SRL ? I haven't seen him in ages.

C0de, just script stats.

Sum, you're right, but i haven't seen him around in a while. Signs onto MSN occasionally though…

From: WT-Fakawi

• At least lets build a list of peeps that are SSRL-meat.

I like that idea a lot. Maybe even a php page with people who have, say 50% longevity, 75% activity, etc/w/e; that'd let us see some names who we could then keep tabs on for ssrl-ship….but it'd also take a lot of time, and can wait for further discussion until srl 4 is out and the forums 'revamped'.

From: c0de
Just script stats or user stats aswell?

just userstats, sorry, I was unclear. I dont even know if that is possible. Bit if it is we could split up the user stats in Leagues that last for a period of time. We just ended League #1 and RAM is our League winner! (Cup!) We now enter the second League, and everybody has a fair chance again. That will be fun :) Sorry for being a little offtopic here.

Whats really sad, is theres SOME SRL Members, that arn't exactely ready to be them. Some were voted by other voters, but also by getting in how I did (Registered at certain point, got in automatically?). I'd be happy to make another script. Either you de-membertize un-member matierial, or you make everyone re-apply. This will really be work for admins, but I think it will REALLY be a good idea, and also needs to be done quick. These are my feelings about voting:
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16229?p=200009#post200009
I think it is EASY to become a SRL Member. Sounds good to some people, but not to me. People think they HAVE TO vote, but I really think that is a bad idea. People should be encouraged to vote, but also TAKE THEIR TIME DOING IT. We need to grade harder on applications. Sounds good from my perspective, I didn't have to go through an application. However, I'd be happy to reapply. I think SRL is being infested with leechers/immature people, and that means it's way too easy to leecher, etc..

From: The_Rs_Monkey
Whats really sad, is theres SOME SRL Members, that arn't exactely ready to be them. Some were voted by other voters, but also by getting in how I did (Registered at certain point, got in automatically?). I'd be happy to make another script. Either you de-membertize un-member matierial, or you make everyone re-apply. This will really be work for admins, but I think it will REALLY be a good idea, and also needs to be done quick. These are my feelings about voting:
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16229?p=200009#post200009
I think it is EASY to become a SRL Member. Sounds good to some people, but not to me. People think they HAVE TO vote, but I really think that is a bad idea. People should be encouraged to vote, but also TAKE THEIR TIME DOING IT. We need to grade harder on applications. Sounds good from my perspective, I didn't have to go through an application. However, I'd be happy to reapply. I think SRL is being infested with leechers/immature people, and that means it's way too easy to leecher, etc..

I completely agree with you, but I think that belongs in a different thread because it is such a big matter and would require lots of input and debate before any action is taken.

Maybe SSRL members with broken arms could be spared for a while? :)

YAYYYYYY, I'm a Weiner…. :) …I don't understand what the point in resetting them is, but sure OK….[offtopic]Um, can we have some more individualized reports..how much time and which script is used for each person, displayed on their total page, in addition to randoms…and resources gained…IE, ess,logs,ores,hides,etc…. ?[/offtopic]

Monkey- I had the same thoughts, but maybe we could go the other way. Make more people SSRL, and move more stuff to SSRL.

From: Sumilion
For a number of your points we really need Dankness… but does anyone even know if he still wants to help / check out SRL ? I haven't seen him in ages.

He will come back later.

why is it when i started to auto and get turns of srl stats i knew this was going to happen XD.

well atleast i made it into top 20's :p (in about 2-3 weeks?)