SRL Archive - Discussions and Debates

Have any significant discoveries been made with running SCAR minimized (besides VMWare/tinyxp)? Or is it completely impossible and solar's rant a few months back was BS?

iBot can do it, KYAB is getting a lot closer, not too sure about other bots at the moment though.

You would need some type of image reflection(not like hacking reflection). Also someone really good at canvases like Yakman. However I don't even know if it's possible.

first it was done over 1.5 years ago by me + Cruel. IT exists today ina very differenet form done by Benland , and according to many statements, many people enjoy it. You have to be a high up person in scar to get it

Haha yeah, I knew something like that is up there with the devs. Benland has figured out how to minimize scar.

From: kikwit
Have any significant discoveries been made with running SCAR minimized (besides VMWare/tinyxp)? Or is it completely impossible and solar's rant a few months back was BS?

It is very real.

From: ruler
first it was done over 1.5 years ago by me + Cruel. IT exists today ina very differenet form done by Benland , and according to many statements, many people enjoy it. You have to be a high up person in scar to get it

Haha ruler is funny :) I forget now, what was it that you and Cruel made?

From: BenLand100
Haha ruler is funny :) I forget now, what was it that you and Cruel made?

UBI, I think.

Hold up… Ben didn't deny anythign there… 0.0

There are actually several threads with Boreas/Benland arguing about the secrets of the devs… :P

Solar says it can be done and I dont doubt it. I am sure we will see it soon enough now they have a dev team over there.

From: ~alex~
Hold up… Ben didn't deny anythign there… 0.0

I didn't did I… Also, I wouldn't expect great things out of Solar's team until they get more experience.

From: BenLand100
I didn't did I… Also, I wouldn't expect great things out of Solar's team until they get more experience.

OWNED:spot:

Aww special dev priveledges……

From: tim0suprem0
Aww special dev priveledges……

Funny how things tend to move down the line after being thoroughly tested… ;)

You guys should see my SRL SCAR setup. It's so unstable I don't even auto lol. Being a dev isn't all flowers and puppies :p

But if you really wanted to auto, you would be able, cuz ur a bright guy :D
If i had an SRL i screwed around with, I would put it in a different scar… :D

From: BenLand100
Funny how things tend to move down the line after being thoroughly tested… ;)

Wootness? Soon SCAR with minimization?

But my special version is much more powerful, I just need to finish fixing it :p

For some reason I get the feeling Ben doesn't believe in the developers having so many secrets… :S

Lol, There arnt very many secrets.. ( that i know of ) XD

It's not a secret, theres just no point in getting lots of questions when he's not ready to answer them yet.

From: BenLand100
I didn't did I… Also, I wouldn't expect great things out of Solar's team until they get more experience.

From: Dark_Sniper
OWNED:spot:

Why owned? Because I said they have a dev team over there? There are some extremely intelligent people and excellent scripters there. Trust me I am not getting involved in this war that exists for some unknown reason to me. I could care less about peoples attitudes towards one another. I am here because I like to cheat at runescape and to make friends.

Scar will be minimized there I am sure of it and open scar will become a reality. It may take awhile yes and people here may hate it. I could care less. I will use it and I will use scar and srl as well. Just as I used aryan and scar when they were both available.

We will have great things at kyab forums. Just because you dont want to use kyab does not mean you have to attack everyone who does want to. Its getting pretty pathetic like the war between those other forums. If you cant find a better reply than just "owned" or cannot express your personal opinion for yourself and instead follow everyone elses then just dont post.

From: justkidding
Why owned? Because I said they have a dev team over there? There are some extremely intelligent people and excellent scripters there. Trust me I am not getting involved in this war that exists for some unknown reason to me. I could care less about peoples attitudes towards one another. I am here because I like to cheat at runescape and to make friends.

Scar will be minimized there I am sure of it and open scar will become a reality. It may take awhile yes and people here may hate it. I could care less. I will use it and I will use scar and srl as well. Just as I used aryan and scar when they were both available.

We will have great things at kyab forums. Just because you dont want to use kyab does not mean you have to attack everyone who does want to. Its getting pretty pathetic like the war between those other forums. If you cant find a better reply than just "owned" or cannot express your personal opinion for yourself and instead follow everyone elses then just dont post.

Well said JustKidding. My thoughts exactly.

From: BenLand100
Haha ruler is funny :) I forget now, what was it that you and Cruel made?

Cruel Client + UBI integrated in one project.


I handled all the java, cruel handles the windows API, delphi, and SCAR.
Demo of him running Cruel Client + SCAR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgwJwvRwkO0

We gave up on it because we could not get a hook into SCAR, every image had to bounce off the Hard Drive.

Meh i have asked freddy for a hook many times.

Also it was VERY CPU intensive. Too Limited in the number we could run.

reason = owned is because i can say whatever i want :)

no one here has yet to stop me!

From: BenLand100
Also, I wouldn't expect great things out of Solar's team until they get more experience.

I'm pretty offended.

i also have my own thoughts about those srl dev privileges, but stop that batlle between the different forums, let's grow up?
I think i have to agree with justkidding about that though..

It has long been my belief that if it wasn't Solar who made KYAB it would be welcomed here…more welcomed perhaps. I mean they were happy to take a minimizeable SCAR but as soon as something to do with Solar comes here it's the freaking anti Christ….I mean really I don't get it, minimizeable SCAR could hurt rs so much more than KYAB…..

From: rkroxpunk
It has long been my belief that if it wasn't Solar who made KYAB it would be welcomed here…more welcomed perhaps. I mean they were happy to take a minimizeable SCAR but as soon as something to do with Solar comes here it's the freaking anti Christ….I mean really I don't get it, minimizeable SCAR could hurt rs so much more than KYAB…..

I've thought that some to. About the first part. I think one of the reasons Solar got Ben to help was that he had to stick a trusted name on the bot.

@Boreas: When do you think that l33t minimise thing will be out? :D

mmm but I also think Solar couldn't have done a lot of the stuff….

Hy: not up to me.

rk: I'm not just against KYAB and not against Ben's thing because of the authors. Ben's thing (Ben correct me if I'm wrong, and can I say the name?) won't hurt RS as much as RSdemon or aryan, because he can't run as many clients at the same time, and it probably won't be as widely available. Also, it does not hurt scripting. Scripting will not change, in fact, while its minimized you can be improving your scripting skills. KYAB on the other hand, I do not welcome because it is about lazy scripting.

Also, for the record, we (devs, or at least most of us IIRC) were against a minimizeable SCAR until Ben assured us of it not being like aryan/RSD.

Remember as I have said somewhere else: as well as being worried about hurting RS, I am just as much (even more so) worried about hurting SRL's collective scripting talent.

Yes, solar has an attitude he is working on, and has made many mistakes. But don't think that's the only reason we think it's the 'freaking anti christ'.

Remember as I have said somewhere else: as well as being worried about hurting RS, I am just as much (even more so) worried about hurting SRL's collective scripting talent.

But please I am slowly becoming very confused when people talk like that, how does it hurt scripting talent if you can play counter strike same time you auto?

It wouldnt affect my scripting in any ways.

And to people who replied to JustKidding, and to JustKidding, the KYAB is so much smaller size than SRL, KYAB Developer doesnt match (Tell me one) an SRL Dev.

And by the way WTH is minimizing anti christ?

Like, no offense to anyone, but I am pretty sure He would use minimizable SCAR.

EDIT:

Mature approach
The Developers are all well-known and respected members of the cheating community. They are well above petty include wars

No offense devs, this actually even isnt about you, but everyone.

This is pretty much an include wars, was it about a .jar or .scar

Dont start talking "no nub diz is no inkluz varsz" , point is the same.

If someone doesnt like KYAB, couldnt we just keep it as our own business?

I just dont get is it even worth one post (As a legendary spammer I do know :p) to start flaming someone, or talking about how you dont like KYAB or anything, that belongs to BBQ pit.

~n3ss3s

I bet ruler writes to the systems event queue with Java… I've done it :p. (But haven't been able to make it imaginary click on a certain window…).


BTW: Will this minimizable SCAR have Java or pure Delphi?

@ruler: Is that what you do? Sorry for prying into you're secrets…

From: r0b0t1
I bet ruler writes to the systems event queue with Java… I've done it :p. (But haven't been able to make it imaginary click on a certain window…).


BTW: Will this minimizable SCAR have Java or pure Delphi?

@ruler: Is that what you do? Sorry for prying into you're secrets…

I'm guessing C++

I'm thinking if you are worried about killing runescape like rsd did then don't release it to public. I have no problem using vmware so i have no need for minimizable scar. Although it would be extremely convienent to not have vmware use 1/8 of my ram at all times, it is not a necessity therefore does not need to be released to public.

From: n3ss3s
But please I am slowly becoming very confused when people talk like that, how does it hurt scripting talent if you can play counter strike same time you auto?

It wouldnt affect my scripting in any ways.

And to people who replied to JustKidding, and to JustKidding, the KYAB is so much smaller size than SRL, KYAB Developer doesnt match (Tell me one) an SRL Dev.

And by the way WTH is minimizing anti christ?

Like, no offense to anyone, but I am pretty sure He would use minimizable SCAR.

EDIT:

No offense devs, this actually even isnt about you, but everyone.

This is pretty much an include wars, was it about a .jar or .scar

Dont start talking "no nub diz is no inkluz varsz" , point is the same.

If someone doesnt like KYAB, couldnt we just keep it as our own business?

I just dont get is it even worth one post (As a legendary spammer I do know :p) to start flaming someone, or talking about how you dont like KYAB or anything, that belongs to BBQ pit.

~n3ss3s

No no. The minimizing doesn't hurt scripting talent. The KYAB walking does. Read my post again please.

Nobody said minimizing is anti christ, read the whole thread.

If you don't like KYAB, keep it to yourself on SRL forums. If you do like KYAB, keep it to yourself on SRL forums. Since this is SRL forums, and not KYAB forums, by definition, any KYAB thread is Off topic. It will generate lots of posts which will lead nowhere, piss off a large number of people, and is SPAM.

Ah ok now I understand your point of view Boreas, also where did anyone say that minimizable SCAR was going to be released? I havn't seen anyone say that yet but all the members are assuming it is?

Read Bens posts…

@r0b0t1
no i dont do anything at the system / os level.

The java virtual machine AWT GUI has its own System Event Queue, i simply control it.

You could do it outside of the JVM you can do it inside the System Event Queue like SCAR does but you run into the rules that it imposes. To get around the rules you can modify the operating system.

I am a Ring 4 solution.

If your looking for a pure Ring 0,1 solution your best bet is modifying a Linux Stack (Event System, Video Driver).

Ok don't get me wrong i'm not against anyones opinion just trying to figure things out for myself.
does this use Java because:

Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi
We do not use any illegal methods. We do not infringe any copyright, we do not use our knowledge about the java code, we do not break any laws.

I assume this was put in place so we could get rid of KYAB but we need to stick to our rules…>.<

Actually it was there a looooong time ago.

I look at it this way: One of the fields I may go into, or at least a hobby, is robotics. The most advanced thing I have made is pretty simple, it could go around a table, avoiding objects and the edge, and heading for a green light. I want to be able to make 'thinking' robots (technically its not thinking, but reacting). If I wanted to make a maze solving robot, I could install a GPS system, and program in the whole maze, and have it figure it out that way. But that's lame. I want to be able to have it figure out where it is, not just 'know'. This is SRL's spirit, and always has been. SCAR is like a human, it can see with 'eyes', and it can control the keyboard and mouse with 'hands'. You fill in the 'brain'. That is SRL's goal, to be as human as possible.

Frankly I am appalled that you would think the SRL staff would change the rules like that just to get rid of KYAB, prolly because you think we don't like KYAB because of solar. From the very beginning KYAB went against the SRL spirit.


Somebody give him 'Brainwashed by Solars nonsense' Noob Points.


Edit hugo
Cybugs, lego mindstorms (the old school kind). There was also this virtual thing, and there was another kit, forgot the names.

From: Boreas



Somebody give him 'Brainwashed by Solars nonsense' Noob Points.

rofl!!!!

hahha

and Boreas wer do you buy all the equipment?

and like how do you do the programming etc?

From: Boreas
Actually it was there a looooong time ago.

I look at it this way: One of the fields I may go into, or at least a hobby, is robotics. The most advanced thing I have made is pretty simple, it could go around a table, avoiding objects and the edge, and heading for a green light. I want to be able to make 'thinking' robots (technically its not thinking, but reacting). If I wanted to make a maze solving robot, I could install a GPS system, and program in the whole maze, and have it figure it out that way. But that's lame. I want to be able to have it figure out where it is, not just 'know'. This is SRL's spirit, and always has been. SCAR is like a human, it can see with 'eyes', and it can control the keyboard and mouse with 'hands'. You fill in the 'brain'. That is SRL's goal, to be as human as possible.

Frankly I am appalled that you would think the SRL staff would change the rules like that just to get rid of KYAB, prolly because you think we don't like KYAB because of solar. From the very beginning KYAB went against the SRL spirit.


Somebody give him 'Brainwashed by Solars nonsense' Noob Points.


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Cybugs, lego mindstorms (the old school kind). There was also this virtual thing, and there was another kit, forgot the names.

That was a delightfully wonderful post

From: Boreas

Frankly I am appalled that you would think the SRL staff would change the rules like that just to get rid of KYAB, prolly because you think we don't like KYAB because of solar. From the very beginning KYAB went against the SRL spirit.

Actually I thought they MADE(I don't think I said they changed the rule) the rule so it wouldn't happen again(which doesn't seem to have worked). And Yes I know KYAB was "against the SRL spirit" and I agree it should have been gotten rid of, but I also think it would have been treated a bit differently if it wasn't Solar who made it, Ben's thing has been treated differently. Part of my point is that Ben's thingy mabob is made in Java…..No i'm not brainwashed just not as into SCAR and SRL as I used to be or KYAB for that matter. There is nothing wrong with that….

EDIT: ah yes I see I worded this wrong:

I assume this was put in place so we could get rid of KYAB but we need to stick to our rules…>.<

I meant to keep it out…that's not a bad thing btw :S

K well it was there the whole time. Shows you didn't read it :p

Differently, probably. But it will still have ended up on another forum. Even if it was made by all the SRL admins. And you don't know what Ben's thing consists of. And it does not look into Jagex's coding, it could be applied to other stuff.

Well can you tell me it's not made in Java? :p

No jar or java files.

What about .class?

Nope.

From: ruler
@r0b0t1
no i dont do anything at the system / os level.

The java virtual machine AWT GUI has its own System Event Queue, i simply control it.

You could do it outside of the JVM you can do it inside the System Event Queue like SCAR does but you run into the rules that it imposes. To get around the rules you can modify the operating system.

I am a Ring 4 solution.

If your looking for a pure Ring 0,1 solution your best bet is modifying a Linux Stack (Event System, Video Driver).

Gotta go and make everything so complicated don't you :p I'd imagine using the harddrive to transfer the rs image at any respectable frame rate would be next to impossible, surprised it worked at all to be honest. Also, why modify the os when you can just add in what you feel the need to. At the very least you could override the windows procedure for java, or even hook the api as needed (almost required for that method if you want the image, BeginPaint and EndPaint). But by far the easiest way to do it is run it all from the same process and save yourself hundreds of lines of code just to transfer data. ;) I've also got troubles about incompatibilities with Scar's color functions however, no standard way to override them…

Edit: @r0b0t1 Currently its all in one plugin, written in c++

Hi guys,

There is always the possibility of using the jawt/jvmti native interface to create a native library that is loaded simultaneously as a Java Agent (configurable for applets in the Java configuration utility in the Control Panel), and a SCAR plugin.

By using this approach it is possible to have direct access (as in, a memory pointer) to the off-screen memory buffer (so in effect, the SCAR application will have a TIntArray (or whatever it is :D) pointing directly to the pixels, for memory is memory) , as well as being able to send events to the AwtCanvas without locking the hard input devices.

I don't know if such an approach is acceptable in your eyes, but there is no Java hacking involved per-se (getting the pointer to the offscreen buffer may require some JNI tinkering), but after that stage SCAR will be reading directly the applet screen from memory …

I've also got troubles about incompatibilities with Scar's color functions however, no standard way to override them…

This is one of the long-term outstanding issues, and should be considered as a high priority change to SCAR if these sorts of approaches are to become viable.

I love the idea of SRL being minimizable!

@boreas - humanlike? That is silly. You don't anywhere in the RS Cheating world if you don't hang with the best of 'em. (RSDemon, iBot) Those users are the ones making the money and actually doing something on RS. There is no point being human if you get banned just the same as being RSDemon. I like solar's idea, but he said he 'mutated' it so that it has nothing to do with srl. I am worried about that, but I think it would be cool.

I say, spit out as many bots as you can. Cheat as much as you can. Don't act human. You still get banned. I really don't see the purpose in that. I guess ya'll say that because it makes scar, unique? I love scar, I just think it needs to open its eyes. Every other bot, almost, has silent mouse. iBot, Ares?, soon xKyab + OpenSCAR, RSDemon, and others that I have not heard of…


This is just my opinion…

~Travis

From: born2code
I love the idea of SRL being minimizable!

@boreas - humanlike? That is silly. You don't anywhere in the RS Cheating world if you don't hang with the best of 'em. (RSDemon, iBot) Those users are the ones making the money and actually doing something on RS. There is no point being human if you get banned just the same as being RSDemon. I like solar's idea, but he said he 'mutated' it so that it has nothing to do with srl. I am worried about that, but I think it would be cool.

I say, spit out as many bots as you can. Cheat as much as you can. Don't act human. You still get banned. I really don't see the purpose in that. I guess ya'll say that because it makes scar, unique? I love scar, I just think it needs to open its eyes. Every other bot, almost, has silent mouse. iBot, Ares?, soon xKyab + OpenSCAR, RSDemon, and others that I have not heard of…


This is just my opinion…

~Travis

Thats like against one of the basic rules of SRL, we DONT ruin the game. Oh, scar is really less detectable than rsdemon… If you cheat well in scar, you might never get banned. Scar IS humanlike, thats the power of scar, you can make it look like there is a 7 years old child playing.. thats the power of scar and always will be.

Get banned anyway???? Have you even heard of SRL Stats???? Do you have any idea what Fawk/Wizz's army is like??? A lot of them are better than my main and been around a while.

If you think there's no point in being human like because you will get banned, you obviously haven't read the how to auto tuts.

I still like the thought of minimizing.

From: born2code
I love the idea of SRL being minimizable!

@boreas - humanlike? That is silly. You don't anywhere in the RS Cheating world if you don't hang with the best of 'em. (RSDemon, iBot) Those users are the ones making the money and actually doing something on RS. There is no point being human if you get banned just the same as being RSDemon. I like solar's idea, but he said he 'mutated' it so that it has nothing to do with srl. I am worried about that, but I think it would be cool.

I say, spit out as many bots as you can. Cheat as much as you can. Don't act human. You still get banned. I really don't see the purpose in that. I guess ya'll say that because it makes scar, unique? I love scar, I just think it needs to open its eyes. Every other bot, almost, has silent mouse. iBot, Ares?, soon xKyab + OpenSCAR, RSDemon, and others that I have not heard of…


This is just my opinion…

~Travis

Just one time, think before you open your mouth !

OMG! The dreaded stupidity virus! Quick! Before he turns into a… …thing… … with no mind.

And other bot communities don't have a family relationship. One of the things I like about SCAR is that it isn't a "die-hard get your free GP's" type of macro. It's a "beat the system" macro. Not everyone comes here to auto.

From: Boreas
Actually it was there a looooong time ago.

I look at it this way: One of the fields I may go into, or at least a hobby, is robotics. The most advanced thing I have made is pretty simple, it could go around a table, avoiding objects and the edge, and heading for a green light. I want to be able to make 'thinking' robots (technically its not thinking, but reacting). If I wanted to make a maze solving robot, I could install a GPS system, and program in the whole maze, and have it figure it out that way. But that's lame. I want to be able to have it figure out where it is, not just 'know'. This is SRL's spirit, and always has been. SCAR is like a human, it can see with 'eyes', and it can control the keyboard and mouse with 'hands'. You fill in the 'brain'. That is SRL's goal, to be as human as possible.

Frankly I am appalled that you would think the SRL staff would change the rules like that just to get rid of KYAB, prolly because you think we don't like KYAB because of solar. From the very beginning KYAB went against the SRL spirit.


Somebody give him 'Brainwashed by Solars nonsense' Noob Points.


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Cybugs, lego mindstorms (the old school kind). There was also this virtual thing, and there was another kit, forgot the names.

From all the posts you've made in this thread, I get the picture that you are defineitely anti KYAB (which is fine by me, it's your choice). But I know that you are a GLOBAL MODERATOR at KYAB forums, and frankly, I am appalled that you would have the indecency to get immediate gmodship over there, do almost nothing over there, get all the KYAB stuff, then come over here, put KYAB down, and basically dis Solarwind, who, BTW, has done nothing to you (that I know of). If this is really the way you think of KYAB, then I think you know what you should do over there. I'm not even gunna say it.

AHAHAHA. I have asked a few time to have my modship removed, as I do not use it. The first time I asked, it got taken away, but then got put back. I don't have KYAB on my computer at all. I tried it once in the early versions, during the development of PathFinder, and PathMaster etc, before KYAB forums existed, and that was only on my test acct with 7.5 blackmarks that I don't care about. Do some research before getting appalled.

Yes Boreas has asked me to remove his modship from KYAB but I didn't because I thought it best if someone from SRL stayed over their, in the higher ranks. And Doofy I don't think Boreas uses KYAB ;). I haven't even used KYAB to do anything in at least a month.

From: Boreas
AHAHAHA. I have asked a few time to have my modship removed, as I do not use it. The first time I asked, it got taken away, but then got put back. I don't have KYAB on my computer at all. I tried it once in the early versions, during the development of PathFinder, and PathMaster etc, before KYAB forums existed, and that was only on my test acct with 7.5 blackmarks that I don't care about. Do some research before getting appalled.

AHAHAHA

1- I was mocking you when I said I was appalled (in case you didn't understand that, cuz it seems to me you didnt).

2- Ok, good, that's better that I know that you do not want your modship.

3- How the fuck would I research that?

4- WHEN THE HELL DID I SAY YOU USED KYAB?!?! I dont think I did, and you and bob have been saying that i did.

5- I figured you'd have KYAB, seeing that is what the forums are about, but I guess not.

6- You didnt mention anything about not being rude to Solar…

7- Why are you members of the forums still (at least semi active) if you dislike KYAB?

… I have never used KYAB, but maybe he wants to talk to people over there that do not regularly come here?

Cool your jets guys, have opinions, just respect others opinions. Anyways, this topic isn't about KYAB vs. SRL in a cage fight, it's about RS + SCAR minimized (of which I believe I've found the answer I was looking for).

Doofy, I suggest you look at the posts made by Boreas..and myself there…I don't use KYAB either, but I tried to help out, by contributing information to the random data base, same as Boreas did….I think you are digging to hard, for something that isn't there…

~RAM

From: RAM_RUNE
Doofy, I suggest you look at the posts made by Boreas..and myself there…I don't use KYAB either, but I tried to help out, by contributing information to the random data base, same as Boreas did….I think you are digging to hard, for something that isn't there…

~RAM

Ah! Why does he have to have that name? It made me imagine you talking to the disney character, and Doofy digging with a broken shovel. Kikwit, wow, you are really mature. Sorry, but you are :p (That is a good thing)

From: RAM_RUNE
Doofy, I suggest you look at the posts made by Boreas..and myself there…I don't use KYAB either, but I tried to help out, by contributing information to the random data base, same as Boreas did….I think you are digging to hard, for something that isn't there…

~RAM

i appreciate that you're being nice about this, but I don't understand why Boreas would help there and he is fairly nice there when he posts, and then come here and basically put KYAB down, and be rude to Solar. It just really annoys me, and you're doing nothing wrong (that i see), so I'm not interested in anything about you (no offense:p ). And honestly, I'm not digging anything, especially nothing tha isn't there. I am trying to find out why Boreas is acting the way he is. It is clearly there, if you read all his posts here, the way he puts KYAB down and isn't that nice to Solar. I think it is sort of ridiculous.

EDIT: and bourdou, the disney one is Goofy. And its a sick name. Thats why I have it.

If you think you're not digging, talk to Solar.

From: Doofy
i appreciate that you're being nice about this, but I don't understand why Boreas would help there and he is fairly nice there when he posts, and then come here and basically put KYAB down, and be rude to Solar. It just really annoys me, and you're doing nothing wrong (that i see), so I'm not interested in anything about you (no offense:p ). And honestly, I'm not digging anything, especially nothing tha isn't there. I am trying to find out why Boreas is acting the way he is. It is clearly there, if you read all his posts here, the way he puts KYAB down and isn't that nice to Solar. I think it is sort of ridiculous.

EDIT: and bourdou, the disney one is Goofy. And its a sick name. Thats why I have it.

honestly, does it concern you? if you cant figure it out then you probably shouldnt know.

From: Boreas
If you think you're not digging, talk to Solar.

What the hell is that gunna do? You want me to tell on you? No, I'm not like that. I'm trying to find out why you're being such a dick towards KYAB, seeing that you are a member of it (and dont give me that "I don't really want to be shit" , you have the ability to delete the account).

And Claw, yeah it does concern me, as it should you. He is putting down something I support (as well as you do), and I'm not gunna be a little suck-up about it. And if you're so damn smart then why don't you tell me why he's acting like this? Otherwise keep your ass out of it.

Doofy, I'm not exactly in the position to tell you, but need to cool it and watch your language.

From: Bam Bam
Doofy, I'm not exactly in the position to tell you, but need to cool it and watch your language.

I don't need to cool it. I am very calm, I don't understand why when somebody makes a psot and they are angry, they are supposedly going crazy. I am simply mad is all. And watch my language? What did I say bad? Shit, hell, dick? I've seen a lot worse on these forums, and I think that most of us should be able to handel them if we are mature enough. But sorry if I scared you are anything because of all those naughty, evil words. And if you're not in the position to tell me something, don't.

From: Doofy
I don't need to cool it. I am very calm, I don't understand why when somebody makes a psot and they are angry, they are supposedly going crazy. I am simply mad is all. And watch my language? What did I say bad? Shit, hell, dick? I've seen a lot worse on these forums, and I think that most of us should be able to handel them if we are mature enough. But sorry if I scared you are anything because of all those naughty, evil words. And if you're not in the position to tell me something, don't.

Ok it seems like your mad that he says things in a negative attitude towards KYAB at SRL and not at KYAB. Not only does that make sense, but it isn't like he tries to hide it. I understand that you aren't "crazy" with rage and completely incoherent, so understand that sometimes people disagree. If you think that Boreas doesn't deserve his KYAB account because of his attitude, then PM him and tell him so because by doing it in this manner you let everyone in and then people start taking sides and it creates conflict where there doesn't need to be any! Let's just be friends! Even friends have disputes, but these seem to be getting out of hand. You have a valid reason for being angry, I'm not disputing that, however, even though you said you were calm, it still seems like your letting this bother you more than it should.

Ok, since no one really cares what he's doing besides me, I guess I'll end this. I could care less if ppl take sides, because most of them (almost everyone here) takes Boreas' side (suck-ups). Even ones from KYAB *cough* The Claw *cough* But whatever, I respect Boreas, he's a great, talented scripter, but I think he's an asshole. 'Nuff said.

BTW: I love how everybody here is trying to be all mature and "keep the peace" and stuff like that. I think it's funny.

From: Doofy
Ok, since no one really cares what he's doing besides me, I guess I'll end this. I could care less if ppl take sides, because most of them (almost everyone here) takes Boreas' side (suck-ups). Even ones from KYAB *cough* The Claw *cough* But whatever, I respect Boreas, he's a great, talented scripter, but I think he's an asshole. 'Nuff said.

BTW: I love how everybody here is trying to be all mature and "keep the peace" and stuff like that. I think it's funny.

Exactly, enough said.

And I'm kind of tired of arguments like this, so it's not a will to "be all mature", but it definitely is one to try and keep the peace, because we have better things to do than argue. But don't listen to me, I'm just a suck-up because I didn't take your side :rolleyes:

From: tim0suprem0
Exactly, enough said.

And I'm kind of tired of arguments like this, so it's not a will to "be all mature", but it definitely is one to try and keep the peace, because we have better things to do than argue. But don't listen to me, I'm just a suck-up because I didn't take your side :rolleyes:

Lol. No. I didn't say you were a suck-up cause you didn't take my side. But here is the deal. I know that you could care less if Boreas and I argue over something. You cannot deny that. It affects you in no way. You came out of your way to come here and post. Alright? And I'm sure you know what KYAB is, i think you just registered (am I right?), but it's obvious that you are gonna side with the admin (I mean, I'm crazy not to but idc). So don't say anything stupid, because the real deal is that there is only my side, and Boreas is just trying to defend his actions. Unless, like most of you did, you side with him in putting down KYAB. Whatever, your choice.

BTW: I was arguing with Boreas but ended up arguing almost every person after my post (wonder why that is?)

From: Doofy
What the hell is that gunna do? You want me to tell on you? No, I'm not like that. I'm trying to find out why you're being such a dick towards KYAB, seeing that you are a member of it (and dont give me that "I don't really want to be shit" , you have the ability to delete the account).

And Claw, yeah it does concern me, as it should you. He is putting down something I support (as well as you do), and I'm not gunna be a little suck-up about it. And if you're so damn smart then why don't you tell me why he's acting like this? Otherwise keep your ass out of it.

Because if you talk to solar, he will tell you I'm not being a dick and there's lots you don't know. Solar and I are on good terms. Before you try defending someone/something, make sure they need it.

[WAR] Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends…….[/war's greatest song]

From: Boreas
Because if you talk to solar, he will tell you I'm not being a dick and there's lots you don't know. Solar and I are on good terms. Before you try defending someone/something, make sure they need it.

Ok sure, if he thinks you're not being a dick, so be it. That doesn't mean I don't. I'm not defending him, Jesus. I'm saying that you are being a dick. But apparently you take that as a defensive stance. I never said you weren't on good terms. I am saying that I think you are being a dick. I'm not defending Solar, he doesn't need me to in any way, understand? So next time, before you try telling people what they are doing, make sure they are doing just that.

BTW: There is lots I don't know. There is a shitload more than lots. I'm not afraid to say that. But if you're gunna say you now everything, that's a load of bullshit.

From: Doofy
It affects you in no way. You came out of your way to come here and post. Alright?

BTW: I was arguing with Boreas but ended up arguing almost every person after my post (wonder why that is?)

It does affect me because I'm sick of all these arguments, but maybe your right and I should have just stayed out of it and let you flame Boreas. He can more than handle himself.

From: Doofy
And Claw, yeah it does concern me, as it should you. He is putting down something I support (as well as you do), and I'm not gunna be a little suck-up about it. And if you're so damn smart then why don't you tell me why he's acting like this? Otherwise keep your ass out of it.

From: Doofy
Ok, since no one really cares what he's doing besides me, I guess I'll end this. I could care less if ppl take sides, because most of them (almost everyone here) takes Boreas' side (suck-ups). Even ones from KYAB *cough* The Claw *cough* But whatever, I respect Boreas, he's a great, talented scripter, but I think he's an asshole. 'Nuff said.

BTW: I love how everybody here is trying to be all mature and "keep the peace" and stuff like that. I think it's funny.

Just to make it known..I only drop by KYAB once in a while to read up on stuff, I am hardly even active there. I am not "from KYAB", as you put it. I definately dont "support" what everyone on KYAB forums are working on. yes, I have ~100 posts there but they were all from months ago, when I was scripting KYAB, when I was updating my script, and before I decided to stick with SRL. So speak for yourself, ok?

And heh..you want to know why Boreas is acting like this? Like I said if you dont know then you probably shouldnt. I'm not going to be so naive as to say I know 100% about what is happening, but mate this stuff with solar goes back a long long long way. There is a lot of past history.

And kindly dont tell me to "keep my ass out of this". Like other people have said, "my ass" was in this from the moment you posted your shit on the forums, for all too see. You claim we are not being mature, when the mature thing for you to do would be to PM Boreas, instead of making a public attack on him. If you had any clue, you would know that Boreas isnt being a "dick".

And why the fuck would I suck up to Boreas? rofl. BTW, no one here is taking sides, at least I'm not. Its the internet, not a football match. My opinions are my opinions, formed on what I see. It just might happen that my opinions are similar to other peoples opinions - in no way does this mean I am taking sides, or "sucking up". Just consider, for one minute, the possibility that you are wrong, and that everyone here posting isnt "sucking up" or "taking sides". Wow what a different perspective that gives you on life, hey.

Please, either take your shit to PM, or take it to KYAB. I dont have the time or want to read crap like this.

~Cheers

Nicely said The Claw. As for Doofy, Boreas isn't attacking Solarwind, he just doesn't support bots like KYAB…since you're not too active here Doofy, you don't know that Solarwind was de-membered and turned into Village Clown all because of his flaming on these forums.

Now think about that ;)

BTW: I was arguing with Boreas but ended up arguing almost every person after my post (wonder why that is?)

We are on at different times.

From: Doofy
Ok sure, if he thinks you're not being a dick, so be it. That doesn't mean I don't. I'm not defending him, Jesus. I'm saying that you are being a dick. But apparently you take that as a defensive stance. I never said you weren't on good terms. I am saying that I think you are being a dick. I'm not defending Solar, he doesn't need me to in any way, understand? So next time, before you try telling people what they are doing, make sure they are doing just that.

BTW: There is lots I don't know. There is a shitload more than lots. I'm not afraid to say that. But if you're gunna say you now everything, that's a load of bullshit.

My point is that you think I'm being a dick because you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't care if you still think that, but don't insult others that don't agree with you on a problem that exists in your head, that doesn't make them suck ups.

It seemed like you were defending because being a dick is an action, and actions are performed on something/someone by the one 'being'. The way you put it, it seems that you think I am being a dick towards KYAB/Solar. That action, would be closely regarded as an attack. And if you are upset about the 'dick being', therefore you are defending an attack. Or maybe my grammar is wrong.

As Claw said, the only reason you posted this here instead of pming it was so that you could get other people on your 'side'. And so when they don't, you insult them. I wouldn't say that's being a dick, but it's definitely very immature.

If you would like to continue making unfounded opinions, please do so in the BBQ bit. This thread has gone offtopic enough.

@Santa I would have banned him by now if this was actually serious, but it's not.

Because if you talk to solar, he will tell you I'm not being a dick and there's lots you don't know. Solar and I are on good terms. Before you try defending someone/something, make sure they need it.

Confirmed.

EDIT:

I'm saying that you are being a dick

The ice is getting weak…

From: SantaClause
Nicely said The Claw. As for Doofy, Boreas isn't attacking Solarwind, he just doesn't support bots like KYAB…since you're not too active here Doofy, you don't know that Solarwind was de-membered and turned into Village Clown all because of his flaming on these forums.

Now think about that ;)

This was the stupidest post I've seen. I did know that, so where the hgell is it coming from. And because I'm not active doesn't mean IDK wats going on. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I called anybody immature. I said they were acting all "mature" and sucking up. Now, I agree that some people weren't sucking up, I did not mean all of you.

@The Claw: I'm not making you read this, so you can go take your time somewhere else. I'm not gunna stop posting just because you don't want to read it. It doesnt mean you have to. And I wasn't sure if you were still an active member of KYAB. Now I know you aren't. Thanks for clearing that up.

@Timo: Nicely said.

@Everyone, I am not attcking anyone. I was having an argument with Boreas.

@Boreas: I didn't do this publicly to have people join my side, because as you know, I wouldn't assume them to. The only time I sent a PM to you, you were very rude and angry. I wasn't gunna PM you again. And I'm not defending anything. And I'm not making random opinions. The rudeness towards KYAb is in your post. Reread it maybe. And what I meant about arguing with everyone else instead of you, was that rather than having a normal argument with you, a bunch of other people came in and "posted against me" (seeing that there is obviously no sides in the internet, only in football games according to The Claw).

So anyways, it's over, I couldn't care less now about what you did. I just have a different perspective of some of the people at this community. The only person I am sorry towards is Boreas, if he feels that I "attacked" him in public. I was just arguing, but some people thought more of it. So sorry Boreas, I just don't appreciate what you did.

And to everyone else that posted, having something to do with this argument, I'm not sorry at all because you all made statements (most were random, made no sense, or were stupid). So to those of you that were in this boat, I think nothing of you anymore (not includeing n3ss3s).

Oh right. Now calling me stupid for trying to help. Dude, Boreas hasn't done anything. Get it through your head.

From: SantaClause
Oh right. Now calling me stupid for trying to help. Dude, Boreas hasn't done anything. Get it through your head.

lol ur an idiot. I said your post was stupid. you were telling me that i didnt know what i really did. u werent trying to help lol. I don't understand why no one sees the way he was talkking about KYAB. Its not a big deal, but its obviously there. Get it through your head.

And to everyone else that posted, having something to do with this argument, I'm not sorry at all because you all made statements (most were random, made no sense, or were stupid). So to those of you that were in this boat, I think nothing of you anymore (not includeing n3ss3s).

That hurts me real bad, I really care alot about your opinion of me.

Why does this keep happening! Hot damn people! Let's just take a deep breathe and realize that we script for a macro to cheat on Runescape! Lol I think SRL's flaw might be taking itself too seriously :p

People want to cheat but dont want to feel dirty about it.

wow… now that's a quote to remember, ruler

This thread has gone far off-topic. Take your debates into the BBQ pit, not in this thread. As others have said (fawki?), we're trying to be a family here - not divided into two sides about I hate you, or he's a dick. This isn't just about KYAB, so don't blame it on that - it's about grudges between people (based on KYAB.. I guess).. reminds me of the shitty gossip at my middle school (yes, I'm almost 14). Either stop your bickering, take it to MSN or PM, or i'll just delete this thread (and I'm pretty sure I can… can I?).

From: kikwit
This thread has gone far off-topic. Take your debates into the BBQ pit, not in this thread. As others have said (fawki?), we're trying to be a family here - not divided into two sides about I hate you, or he's a dick. This isn't just about KYAB, so don't blame it on that - it's about grudges between people (based on KYAB.. I guess).. reminds me of the shitty gossip at my middle school (yes, I'm almost 14). Either stop your bickering, take it to MSN or PM, or i'll just delete this thread (and I'm pretty sure I can… can I?).

I believe a family should have open discussions.

From: ruler
I believe a family should have open discussions.

Interesting point, but even at the expense of highjacking the thread?

From: tim0suprem0
Interesting point, but even at the expense of highjacking the thread?

I tried to understand the argument above, i failed.

Can someone make a summary of the arguement above i think its a few pages???

Then we can get back on top on topic.

LOL

i am tired

From: ruler
I believe a family should have open discussions.

Wow. That is probably the best statement I've seen on SRL. Totally right. And I'm not gunna sum up the argument, because everyone will freak out if I do it, but if Boreas or someone else would like to, go right ahead. But actually now that I think about it, I haven't check if you have an MSN, ruler, but if you do, could you PM it to me? I will tell you about this, and I would also like to aska few Java questions.

From: ruler
I tried to understand the argument above, i failed.

Lol I just meant that yes I think families should have open discussions, but not ones that are completely irrelevant to the original topic :p

Summary.

Somebody was talking about KYAB and if it had minimizing, and then somebody else was talking about if KYAB was good enough to create minimizing clients. Then another person posted about how great things are being done at KYAB, they argued about it and about solar's attitude, and comparing KYAB to SCAR - the usual arguments. Then Boreas posted about KYAB going against SRL spirit, as fawki said on the main page that 'we don't use our knowledge of java code'. Then Doofy came and quoted Boreas, was offended about his thoughts on Boreas being anti-KYAB, and how Boreas is a global mod there (according to Doofy) and Boreas being a hypocrite (I'm not saying I think this). Boreas was offended that Doofy would say such things, they called each other some names, dicks, assholes, etc, fighting continued, got more personal, and here we are right now.

Correct me on anything.

As for the arguements as a family, I was referring to what I said about personal fighting, not KYAB vs SRL.

Fawki has the attitude 'we don't use our knowledge of java code' because he has no knowledge of java code.

And anyone saying it goes against SCAR, kaitnieks was never anti-java. Even Freddy even dabbles in Java at times.

Java <-> SCAR Bridges pre-SRL were embraced by the SCAR community.

From: ruler
Fawki has the attitude 'we don't use our knowledge of java code' because he has no knowledge of java code.

And anyone saying it goes against SCAR, kaitnieks was never anti-java. Even Freddy even dabbles in Java at times.

Java <-> SCAR Bridges pre-SRL were embraced by the SCAR community.

I'm sure he knows more than he lets on, Even if he doesn't…I'm sure if he put his mind to it, he could learn..No Offense…You Did…and you Sir don't appear to me as being the sharpest knife in the drawer…..

edit: that was a pretty low blow…but it appears to me,the only reason you come to these forums is to start shit….BTW….I only live about an hour from you…anytime you want to give me a proper education…

From: RAM_RUNE
I'm sure if he put his mind to it, he could learn…no offense…You Did…and you sir don't appear to me as being the sharpest knife in the drawer…..

Snap.

I tried to make that the least inflammatory exclamation possible.

From: RAM_RUNE
No Offense…You Did…and you Sir don't appear to me as being the sharpest knife in the drawer…..

you,sir, just got pwned

From: RAM_RUNE
I'm sure he knows more than he lets on, Even if he doesn't…I'm sure if he put his mind to it, he could learn..No Offense…You Did…and you Sir don't appear to me as being the sharpest knife in the drawer…..

edit: that was a pretty low blow…but it appears to me,the only reason you come to these forums is to start shit….BTW….I only live about an hour from you…anytime you want to give me a proper education…

address?

But really, I just don't like the idea of making it so easy its not a challenge. I've scripted I-Bot before, and it is ridiculously easy.

"i dont usually threaten people over the net..but if you want to start something then im 6 ft 1, and covered in tatoos…you will run as soon as i come to your front door"

RAM once said something similar to that i believe

Polk County, but I know you have my IP…my point is…before you get carried away making any big internet threats, I just want you to understand, I'm not an underage Fanboy…I seriously would like to sit down with you, and see what you have to teach..I find people are very different, than the internet persona they try and portray ,however..what you see here is what you get…i will give you the shirt off my back here, the same as in real life…but you had better not cross me or the ones around me….

You seem intelligent enough to me, but as far as common sense…that you are lacking in…

You are entirely driven by money and greed, and I understand your resentment, with the SRL community (Fakawi in particular) for not wanting to help you with your projects due to this fact…..but I am really getting sick of having you come here, and make your petty comments….I don't have to say how you would react, if someone were to come to your forums and do the same…I already witnessed it when i was defending SRL there…. and your minion brother , nor yourself, could even bother to reply, with more than a few simple words…that is when I lost all respect for you….

Its good to see the BLIND FAITH you all have.

I also enjoy the OWNED BANNER.

Well i am on 40 hours without sleeping working on homework before deadlines.

I will protbably regreat posting hits.

I have pointed out many times when he has been WRONG.



He has constantly gone against anything related to Java. He has constantly worked to hurt anyone that has contributed to my community. "neonknight", and the latested being "solarwind" being banned form this community and given the rank "clown"

Here is my address, how long do you think it will take to drive to your place?
4000 Southwest 23rd Street
Gainesville Floridaz

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16438?p=201829#post201829
Here is his latest:
"C'mon guys. Regecks has been around for a very long time already and has made a lot of useful posts. He prooved me that mousemovements are not checked by jagex, just the clicks. Anyways, now you all know the guy is in town, he will be instamembered."

THAT IS FUCKING BS^. Also i checked with regex, regex did not tell him that.

Lets also not forget his lies.
http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8459?t=9619&highlight=fawki+credit+card

"the creditcard business was a figure-of-speech,"
FUCK YOU BANNING NEONKINGIHT EVERYWHERE SAYIGN EH STOLE YOUR CREDIOT CARD

FUCK YOU FOR BANING SOLARWIND TWICE

FUCK YOU STARBLAST FOR TELLING FREDDY I AM CRACKING SCAR SCRIPT ON MY SITE AND GIVING TO MY MEMBERS IT TOOK ME HOURS TO CONVICE FREDDY I WAS NOT. I MADE THE FUCKING OBFUSCTOR YOU USE>

RAM_RUNE your address?

YOU LET YOUR STAFF THREATENED ME , i demand de-mod.

let me finsih this homework.

I demand you read our Rules and stop double / triple posting.

I demand you stop posting useless posts such as your previous posts on this forum.

I demand you stop advertising your products here as this is not a java community, and no one really cares.

Does any of this ever happen?

No.

You've said it yourself ruler, you can't SCAR script. So why bother staying…

My forums are free-speech. You can come on them and talk all the shit you want.

Unforntaly i got some friends coming up from Orlando tommorrow so if i can not see you tonight then i wont be seeing you till next weekend.

From: Starblaster100
I demand you read our Rules and stop double / triple posting.

I demand you stop posting useless posts such as your previous posts on this forum.

I demand you stop advertising your products here as this is not a java community, and no one really cares.

Does any of this ever happen?

No.

You've said it yourself ruler, you can't SCAR script. So why bother staying…

your lies have gone to far. Accusing me of cracking your SCAR scripts. Accusing neonknight of stealing credits cards from fawki. Your right i can not script in SCAR. However i understand alot of its lanuage fundementals. Check out my posts on the multi thread thread. I come here to defend Solarwind, give advice, and i guess now i come here to have my life threatend by staff members.

Actually, RAM_RUNE seems to be having an intelligent discussion with you. Also, we are not keeping you form finishing you're homework. That is your personal problem.

I must resist the urge to give you noob points for demanding, but I fear that would only make the situation worse. Please stop blaming your life's troubles on us, as we are only people you have no physical relation to, yet you continue to post inflammatory remarks.

Actually, RAM_RUNE said the very reason I do not like, nor use, I-Bot. I do not like the way you are running your forums, or your bot. Some more may agree to this, but you continue to brag about I-Bot here. This is a SCAR forum. You seem to be getting no one.


Please, be more mature, or I stop capitalizing all affilitaded with you.

I was being mature till the staff threatened me. Set me off, i am calming down.

Also homework is not a personal problem. I go to a hard college and course work takes more time then you think.

Also this "noob point" sounds like a very sad hobby.

I run my forums openly, noobs do not get the ban hammer, they dont get "noob points", they dont get yelled at when the complain.

Also my staff does not threated members.
Nor do we say people stole our credits cards.
Nor do we spread rumors.

Actually, you missed a few things.

1). I don't care you go to a hard college, you're homework is your problem still. Thus, personal problem. If you don't have it done, that is your fault.

2). You apparently have a very shallow sense of humor.

3). Hypocrite. It may be different, but I have seen threats.

4). They were inferring. The information they had lead them to believe that it was so. What does this have to do with anything, anyway? Its useless accusation.

5). Please, tell me of these so called, "rumors".

I'm not even going to bother ruler, we've had enough discussions about this in the past.

We all have hobbies. You sitting and coding a bot for 20 million hours on end sounds like a very sad hobby to me.

In case you haven't realized ruler, this is not your forum. We allow free speech, but as long as it complies to our rules. New users don't get the "ban hammer" or "noob points" as long as they can read what we lay out for them. They get noob point for breaking rules, as we see this as a "nooby" act.

Here's some advice ruler:

Turn off the computer.
Get some sleep.
Finish your work after you have some rest, otherwise it will be half the quality you could make it.

Some advice for the for the future:
Don't browse the forums whilst doing important work.

This has gone off topic enough. Start a new thread in the BBQ pit if you must.