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I have seen and used KYAB and have come to the conclusion that KYAB could well be the Ultimate Blow to Jagex. KYAB is a very powerfull and easy to use bot. Not only does it gather positional information, it also recognizes object and animation. It is 100% dependend of SCAR and thus SRL is the only choice. A bot with the powers of KYAB is a nice alternative for other pro-bots, albeit you are restricted to one client per computer only. BUT….The SRL-community will not support KYAB for the following reasons:

• The SRL-community's focus has always been on SCAR, and it will always be on SCAR only.
• Keeping KYAB alive is 100% dependend on the good works of Benland100 and solarwind. If either of them quit, KYAB will be dead.
• The SRL-community does not support their underlying central server controlled mechanisms.
• KYAB renders most if not all of SCAR/SRL's work useless. The SRL-community needs to keep its heritage clean and make sure it provides continuity in approach and vision in it's quest to conquer runescape.

I have attached a poll to see how our community reacts. Please answer the poll. Please feel free to discuss this, but only if you have anything sensible to add, and please keep it mature. Any flaming or otherwise useless response will be deleted and infraction added.

iv said it before but ill post it here for everyone to see

i think this KYAB represents the dumbing down around here,

we all used to spend ages perfecting our RRW, we've made complex methods of finding a new roadcolor, this makes us skilled and knowledgable.

with this utility, non of that is needed anymore, we only need to walk somewhere, write down a few numbers, and thats it, walking sorted. no more of that knowledge-growing activity.

this would be fine if we all had another activity to replace walking, but i bet non of you have any plans to learn how KYAB works, (especially since its closed source, and doesnt decompile very well)

look at what happened with aryan, most people didnt care how or why it worked, but there were some who did learn from it, and the original developers.

nothing against BenLand100 or Solarwind, but i think this is not good for us, not good at all. :(

so thats basicly WT-Fakawi's third point.

I agree fakawi. If we become to dependent on kyab, and kyab dies, we are basically stuffed. :eek:

if i may copy a quote from the homepage.

I would like to thank the people of Jackex for creating a wonderful game. We could not have done this without you. We honestly hold you in high esteem. Next comes Kaitnieks, who kept us together in a most remarkable community filled with extraordinary people. He enabled us to play the game with a different approach. A approach Jackex calls "cheating", and "against the rules", but for us it is an intelectual challenge: outsmarting the system, solving each trap they set out for us. Consider us Masterthieves. We do not use any illegal methods. We do not infringe any copyright, we do not use our knowledge about the java code, we do not break any laws. We merely play "against the rules". We cheat. Thats what we are good at, thats what we do.

I can see where you're coming from Fawki, and agree with that. I also however am appealed by the fact that KYAB can create scripts that are completely flawless by using UID and Type functions, which SCAR can never do. It can be a very powerful tool, and its not like its incredibly easy to make a good script, you still need the brains behind it to get the logic and math figured out.

So because I like the traditional values of SCAR and this community, I will use SCAR/SRL. And because I like the possible flawless script making with KYAB, I will use KYAB. I mean, I'm going to script in both. Like I've made my Lumby miner in KYAB, now I'm going to make a Clay miner or maybe an Al Kharid silver miner in SCAR/SRL.

I can see both sides of the coin, and both have their positives and negatives.

- the claw

I just stick with both.
For myself, I might script with KYAB, much easier to do. But a friend of mine asked monday if I could make him a seers flax spinner. As he isn't a member here and I didn't feel like leaking KYAB, I just created it with colour walking.
The flax spinner is almost finished and will be released to free in a few days.
Another reason I want to use both is to improve my scripting skills. Scripting without KYAB is a nice challenge :)
Oh, and one last thing. In order to use KYAB you still need to learn the old-fashioned methods, or else you won't get in the KYAB community.

I think it should now be required to have RRW, if an app doesn't have RRW then they shouldn't be able to get in at all. Or else they could make a really good script, with no walking, then use KYAB only when they got into members.

I like the idea of KYAB and I support it wholeheartedly, and the fact that it supports only 1 client makes world raping kept to a minimal. I also however support Fakawi's implications.

I think the solution to this is to move KYAB out of SRL and host it on another site, much like RegeX and his team did with Aryan. Kaitnieks was just kept to a discussion and help forum with download links. I think KYAB devs should start a new site, does not matter if its a free host or not. As long its there to download the bot and support its users.

From: VG_Kobra
I like the idea of KYAB and I support it wholeheartedly, and the fact that it supports only 1 client makes world raping kept to a minimal. I also however support Fakawi's implications.

I think the solution to this is to move KYAB out of SRL and host it on another site, much like RegeX and his team did with Aryan. Kaitnieks was just kept to a discussion and help forum with download links. I think KYAB devs should start a new site, does not matter if its a free host or not. As long its there to download the bot and support its users.

Solar already made a KYAB forums ;)

From: Mjordan
Solar already made a KYAB forums ;)

Lol yeah I just saw it under this topic :p

Ok so SRL doesn't support KYAB, that's fine.

It will be just like another private community such as RSR, Impsoft….

It's not that big of a deal I'll still being using both.:spot:

I've already finished half of my rune crafter in the old method, I just thought It would be cool to learn both, I mean having a good variety is never a bad thing…

Hopefully I will finish the other half of my runecrafter by the end of July (the old method one) :), btw: Thanks to everyone who made a tut on DDTMs :D.

I agree with fawki and yakman on this. Scar alone forces you to think much cleverly than kyab does. Most things iwth color picking don't work flawlesly, and you can get a much greater accomplishment by learning, and doing things the hard way. Every programmer knows that there are 50 ways to say "hello world", but with such a chalenge that rs and jagex give us, no only the most clever and well thought out methods will work. I LOVE looking at good scripters scripts, reading how they work, and thinking "this is genius!". Sure, a kyab script will be more powerfull, but I feel that the intellect that is utterly required at the bottom line to be able to script with scar is partially what keeps this community so healthy. If I start to auto more than script, I may consider making a nice kyab one, but right now, I want to script, and so I'm sticking with srl.

I still like the idea of using both, it just seems like 1 is good for learning and 1 is good for autoing… but some times it's just nice to see something new once in awhile like KYAB come around, it keeps things from getting DULL around here:cartman:, although they never have yet :D

But there is really no need to worry, it's not like KYAB will be around forever…

Sadly, I don't like KYAB…although it works very well. I believe that this forum should not be using KYAB and any further discussion should be closed.

I have supported KYAB since it came out. But I have supported SRL longer. Which is why I am doing both. To see SRL die would be devastating. You can still expect many good SRL scripts from me:D

offtopic First I'm not sure is this posted in the right section ? (shouldn't it be on members section)


ontopic

If i had a choice i would stick with both because no scar script is still flawless it ALWAYS at least gets the walking part stuck and i think KYAB would help improve our script and it would be easier so then we could focus on the other things instead of most of the walking (my opinion)


btw on the poll i meant i stick with both =/ not Scar/KYAB

I doubt KYAB will be the final blow to RS. Not enough people know how to script to make it a real threat. They wouldn't be able to use it if they have to apply for it.

Plus, those who use SCAR for the challenge of outsmarting Jagex will most likely always use it, as it's more of a challenge then KYAB. Which I've yet to use. . .Might be a while.

I'll stick with SCAR/SRL.

From: crossback7
I doubt KYAB will be the final blow to RS. Not enough people know how to script to make it a real threat. They wouldn't be able to use it if they have to apply for it.

Plus, those who use SCAR for the challenge of outsmarting Jagex will most likely always use it, as it's more of a challenge then KYAB. Which I've yet to use. . .Might be a while.

I'll stick with SCAR/SRL.

you're contradicting Fawaki :O :eek: :eek:

I have NEVER liked KYAB, I have NEVER used KYAB, and I never will. I think, and thought since it came out, that it was destroying our baby, our SRL include.

IMO, I don't think anybody should be allowed to link anything to the KYAB forums on here, or have any hearing of KYAB from this forums.

Thank you for doing this Fakawi! I was hoping somebody would before SRL was gone..

From: The Claw
I can see where you're coming from Fawki, and agree with that. I also however am appealed by the fact that KYAB can create scripts that are completely flawless by using UID and Type functions, which SCAR can never do. It can be a very powerful tool, and its not like its incredibly easy to make a good script, you still need the brains behind it to get the logic and math figured out.

So because I like the traditional values of SCAR and this community, I will use SCAR/SRL. And because I like the possible flawless script making with KYAB, I will use KYAB. I mean, I'm going to script in both. Like I've made my Lumby miner in KYAB, now I'm going to make a Clay miner or maybe an Al Kharid silver miner in SCAR/SRL.

I can see both sides of the coin, and both have their positives and negatives.

- the claw

From: markus
I just stick with both.
For myself, I might script with KYAB, much easier to do. But a friend of mine asked monday if I could make him a seers flax spinner. As he isn't a member here and I didn't feel like leaking KYAB, I just created it with colour walking.
The flax spinner is almost finished and will be released to free in a few days.
Another reason I want to use both is to improve my scripting skills. Scripting without KYAB is a nice challenge :)
Oh, and one last thing. In order to use KYAB you still need to learn the old-fashioned methods, or else you won't get in the KYAB community.

From: Icefire908
Ok so SRL doesn't support KYAB, that's fine.

It will be just like another private community such as RSR, Impsoft….

It's not that big of a deal I'll still being using both.:spot:

I've already finished half of my rune crafter in the old method, I just thought It would be cool to learn both, I mean having a good variety is never a bad thing…

Hopefully I will finish the other half of my runecrafter by the end of July (the old method one) :), btw: Thanks to everyone who made a tut on DDTMs :D.

I can only say this about using KYAB.
- You either don't want to improve on your scripting skills. (You can make flawless scripts with SRL too)
- You just want to macro for alot of money - that is sort a sort of leeching.

How did you think I learned programming SCAR and more advanced techniques, not by using RSDemon, Aryan, ARGA or KYAB.

BTW: I like one thing about the KYAB registration, noone will be able to join, because if they don't have KYAB then can't make scripts for it and as long as they can't join they won't have KYAB, nice thinking… lol. :f:

From: JAD
I have NEVER liked KYAB, I have NEVER used KYAB, and I never will. I think, and thought since it came out, that it was destroying our baby, our SRL include.

IMO, I don't think anybody should be allowed to link anything to the KYAB forums on here, or have any hearing of KYAB from this forums.

Thank you for doing this Fakawi! I was hoping somebody would before SRL was gone..

JAD, that isn't exactly fair : / …I think you may have crossed the line on a forced/ stated opinion.

Thank you for doing this Fakawi! I was hoping somebody would before SRL was gone..

Doing what?? All he is doing is polling the community and saying he doesn't support it anymore - nothing more, nothing less…

Trying to divide us into sides isn't the way to go.

From: Icefire908
What, have nothing at all linking?

How would you like it if people starting saying, "ok no linking to SRL."

That isn't exactly fair JAD… I think you may have crossed the line on a forced/ stated opinion.

Why don't we post links to RSDemon? Are we allowed to? I'm not sure if we are allowed to, but it just doesn't seem right linking to a sight that the administrators are against (or the program they are using).

And on what sites do people link to SRL? Only other scripting SCAR/SRL sites like Freddy1990.com moparisthebest.com….etc. I doubt RSDemon users link each other to SRL forums.

So people normally don't link to sites that use a different program like that…

And I did say IMO, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

From: Icefire908

Trying to divide us into sides isn't the way to go.

Too late, it just happened >.<

From: JAD
Why don't we post links to RSDemon? Are we allowed to? I'm not sure if we are allowed to, but it just doesn't seem right linking to a sight that the administrators are against (or the program they are using).

And on what sites do people link to SRL? Only other scripting SCAR/SRL sites like Freddy1990.com moparisthebest.com….etc. I doubt RSDemon users link each other to SRL forums.

So people normally don't link to sites that use a different program like that…

And I did say IMO, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

They never said they were against it they just said they weren't supporting it ;)
And 'IMO' RSDemon and KYAB are completly different aswell there's not really much of a comparison I think you should research that if you're going to have such a strong opinion at least enough to support it.

Well either way, you don't need to enforce your specific view points upon other people…

I'm not trying to fight anyone, like Fawaki said this is only a discussion.

From: Icefire908
They never said they were against it they just said they weren't supporting it ;)

Well either way, you don't need to enforce your specific view points upon other people…

I'm not trying to fight anyone, like Fawaki said this is only a discussion.

Like you said, this is a discussion, where everybody is stating there views, and I'm not enforcing it… You said I had a bad idea, and I was just stating why I don't think it's a bad one.

Well I never used the word bad, I said what is equivalent to 'unfair'.

Simply, I do not want to fight, I just want peace in between two different 'sides'.

From: JAD
I have NEVER liked KYAB, I have NEVER used KYAB, and I never will. I think, and thought since it came out, that it was destroying our baby, our SRL include.

IMO, I don't think anybody should be allowed to link anything to the KYAB forums on here, or have any hearing of KYAB from this forums.

Thank you for doing this Fakawi! I was hoping somebody would before SRL was gone..

JAD is officially cool :D

Lol, that was random

i agree with JAD i don't think this information should be discussed here since most of us don't know alot about KYAB and if people know about it they will get it even tho its on the members side of the forums

Well I'm not exactly scoring good points with old friends so I will leave this convo,

Please, no hard feelings anyone:D

I apologize to any one if I offended them somehow :(, I really just need time to think things over for a bit.

Peace,

-IceFire

From: Wizzup?
I can only say this about using KYAB.
- You either don't want to improve on your scripting skills. (You can make flawless scripts with SRL too)
- You just want to macro for alot of money - that is sort a sort of leeching.

How did you think I learned programming SCAR and more advanced techniques, not by using RSDemon, Aryan, ARGA or KYAB.

BTW: I like one thing about the KYAB registration, noone will be able to join, because if they don't have KYAB then can't make scripts for it and as long as they can't join they won't have KYAB, nice thinking… lol. :f:

Like hell I dont wanna improve my scripting skills, lol. Thats why I'm not scripting solely with KYAB. :) And have spent the whole day off school reading up on DDTM's and B4 and TPoint arrays and stuff. And am up at 1:40 AM getting help from nielsie with a couple of things.

And nah I dont auto for money lol, just levels. I dont even play rs anymore

From: hugolord
offtopic First I'm not sure is this posted in the right section ? (shouldn't it be on members section)
ontopic

Well, considering who posted this, I would easily say this is defanitly the right section!

From: hugolord
no scar script is still flawless

No, and neither is any kyab script either. Walking doesn't always fail in srl, and other things don't alawyas work in kyab either. No script will ever be flawless. And that's complelty ignorming randoms

Edit: Oh, this is not splitting the community, if you look at the post, it doesn't really look like anyones leaving. Also, Fawki is policing this discusion to make sure it stays intelegent. Also, this post isn't making people choose sides, as they shouldn't have to, thats why the biggest option is BOTH

From: Starblaster100
JAD is officially cool :D

You don't even know how cool that just made me feel! :D

And it's never random icefire when your talking about JAD's coolness.. ;) lol.

I've thought things over thoroughly,

…and I've come to the conclusion that BenLand100 and Solar have put forth enough effort I shall make 1 script available to their new forum as a small collateral/ contribution to them (my rune crafter).

It's dawned on me how much in the past weeks, that I've missed the way things used to be, the hard - but challenging way.

Like Wizzup? said, you don't become a 'pro' by taking the easy way out. And if it's one thing I've learned in the past 83 days of working my ass off on a project, it's that you can't ever quit/ give up or say you have learned it all…:sasmokin: even if at the end of the day your work has gone unappreciated/ unrewarded.

So I will stick with SCAR/ SRL, but I will still keep my rune crafter around at their forum:garfield: and try my very best to learn what ever it takes to make that much walking possible using DDTMs or what ever that challenge/ obstacle may be.

That's all I have to say and will say about this matter.

-IceFire

From: Icefire908
It's dawned on me how much in the past weeks, that I've missed the way things used to be, the hard - but challenging way.

Like Wizzup? said, you don't become a 'pro' by taking the easy way out. And if it's one thing I've learned in the past 83 days of working my ass off on a project, it's that you can't ever quit/ give up or say you have learned it all…:sasmokin: even if at the end of the day your work has gone unappreciated

You echo my feeling nearly exactly in this post.

OMFG, JUST STICK TO BOTH. SCAR/SRL is depended on by KYAB. WHY ARGUE OVER IT?

i have never used KYAB but i am working on a srl script.. my opinion is that the easier things are for ppl the more they like to use it… jsut like windows and linux…..who ever knows how to run linux will always use linux.. but ppl use windows becuase it is easier to learn with and use… all computer technology is that way… everything is getting easier to work with so lots of ppl are doing it… but i agree with wt fakawi… a bot like KYAB will kill all the "old fashion" ways of botting… i mean take anything about computers and it is this way… some one who spent years learning this thing… and perfected it .. like wt fakawi has done… (prolly several times with diff langs) and then it gets easier and more ppl do it and it works better becuase its easier to learn like functions and things.. makes all the hard work and studying go right down the drain…



PS.. if you cant decypher what i wrote… i havent slept in 3 days and im fixing to go to sleep and will decypher it later ….

From: solarwind
STICK TO BOTH.

Don't worry solar, we are. You can even look at the pool to see. We realy arent arguing either, fawki will delete any posts like that, people are just letting out their thougts about it all. The people who are staying with srl , you already knew about. It's ok, this isnt about side at all. Now,(not directed at you really solar)on the count of three everyody smile and its going to be ok)

From: solarwind
OMFG, JUST STICK TO BOTH. SCAR/SRL is depended on by KYAB. WHY ARGUE OVER IT?

First, keep your language down.
Second, even better, SRL will NOT do anything for KYAB, at least if it's to me or to any of the developers.

Third.

We play the game with a different approach. A approach Jackex calls "cheating", and "against the rules", but for us it is an intelectual challenge: outsmarting the system, solving each trap they set out for us. Consider us Masterthieves. We do not use any illegal methods. We do not infringe any copyright, we do not use our knowledge about the java code, we do not break any laws. We merely play "against the rules". We cheat. Thats what we are good at, thats what we do.
WT-Fakawi

unless your talking about the yelling… ppl say omfg and wtf all the time….and they never get a taling to …

Whats it gona hurt if you do both?, thats if I learn to script. If its a ownage bot why not use it to learn more?

I know the basics of scripting, it's just i've gotten everything I need out of macroing by not having to make a big nice script, but I'll say one thing. Once solar decides he's bored w/ RS everyone will come back and say sorry cuz they won't have a program anymore.

I don't think we're being divided into sides. Maybe two different styles of gameplay, but surely you can play with both at different times?

From: Wizzup?
First, keep your language down.
Second, even better, SRL will NOT do anything for KYAB, at least if it's to me or to any of the developers.

Third.

We play the game with a different approach. A approach Jackex calls "cheating", and "against the rules", but for us it is an intelectual challenge: outsmarting the system, solving each trap they set out for us. Consider us Masterthieves. We do not use any illegal methods. We do not infringe any copyright, we do not use our knowledge about the java code, we do not break any laws. We merely play "against the rules". We cheat. Thats what we are good at, thats what we do.
WT-Fakawi

Look at my first post, i beat you to your 3rd point :P
anyways..

From: hugolord
no scar script is still flawless

A scar script can be flawless, just as flawless as you make it, e.g. a auto-login lol

From: wired16
unless your talking about the yelling… ppl say omfg and wtf all the time….and they never get a taling to …

I think it was the yelling.
"omfg lol, thats crazy!"
is alot diferent style and meaning of "omfg" than
"OMFG YOU IDIOT!!!"

EDit [offtopic]

Look at my first post, i beat you to your 3rd point :P
anyways..

Look at my sig, i beat all of yall!![/offtopic]

omfg means omfg… no matter what context its used in….

From: The_Rs_Monkey
Look at my first post, i beat you to your 3rd point :P
anyways..


A scar script can be flawless, just as flawless as you make it, e.g. a auto-login lol

Yea I was just pointing solarwind at that point. ;)

Oh and one more thing, we will be more serious about offensive language from now on, not because of a certain happening, but mainly because I see too many offensive posts.

about that "certain happening", does the report post button work? Because i tried that at first.

I will use both.

And btw Wizzup, how is macroing for money leeching?

I voted for Sticking with SRL. I may use KYAB a little bit, perhaps for one or two scripts that I have in mind, but I expect SRL to fulfill the vast majority of my autoing needs.

I don't like using the signed client. That's my primary objection to KYAB.

This is the first thing I heard about this KYAB thingy, havent tried it, I might try it but I dont know where to get it so, I dont know :D

From: solarwind
OMFG, JUST STICK TO BOTH. SCAR/SRL is depended on by KYAB. WHY ARGUE OVER IT?

Lol this topic is funny. It's obvious the Administrators in this website have expressed their discontent for KYAB, if the owners of KYAB want to keep any last piece of dignity they have left, they would and are moving it to their own private forum. I'm sure KYAB is an excellent bot and will attract many "users". But the fact is that the admins don't want it in SRL because they do not want to have it flooded with cheaters and rule breaking bots.

If you want to use KYAB —> Go to their forum

If you want to use SRL/SCAR –> Stay here

I see no reason arguing about this, go where you need. No reason to put down each other's aspirations/hard work.

Its clear there a rift forming between the community, as seen with Solarwind and Wizzy. I think this topic should be locked since Fakawi has already made his statement.

You definitely become more knowledgeable when you just SCAR script. With KYAB you no longer are forced to learn things such as arrays, TPointArrays, bruteforcing, and all the good stuff that could possibly universally help you. (Java, Delphi, ect…). If your a good scripter, SCAR/SRL is all the tools you would need to create a foine script. (;)) However, I will be using KYAB, when I want to make a script much more quickly, or if I am in need of fast gp's. :p I am glad KYAB and SRL have split. KYAB deserves it's own forum anyhow! :]

There's no need to dislike KYAB, more ways to auto, always a good thing! :)

you still need arrays for KYAB. Tile[0][0].X:= and so on. I am all for anyones opinion. Im making an SRL script and a KYAB script. I think that we should still have KYAB on these forums, members only of course, for at least talking. Most members have used KYAB. I think making a seperate forum and having no talk about it is too far. I support everyone's ideas. And yes, KYAB, as solar has already mentioned, and I think Ram mentioned, depends on if anybody rubs him the wrong way, and we all need to "feed his ego". He has mentioned that if anybody gets him mad, bye bye KYAB, so I am staying with them both, because, when KYAB is gone, i want to be able to script still.

i think that there should still be kyab on these forums, but i also think its a good idea to focus the attention on kyab to the other forum. But the standards of people getting in to that forum should be very high so that people will still have to learn to script.

From: VG_Kobra
Its clear there a rift forming between the community, as seen with Solarwind and Wizzy. I think this topic should be locked since Fakawi has already made his statement.

Yes you are right, but I want to give everybody a chance to speak up for himself and form his/her own opinion.

From: VG_Kobra
Its clear there a rift forming between the community, as seen with Solarwind and Wizzy. I think this topic should be locked since Fakawi has already made his statement.

First, I do not hate Solarwind, I just really doubt his trustworthyness.
I have my reasons, and some older members will probably have theirs too.
Although I have no doubt of any kind against BenLand100, I will never use KYAB, certainly not when Solarwind is in charge.

Please, stay on topic.

From: tarajunky
I voted for Sticking with SRL. I may use KYAB a little bit, perhaps for one or two scripts that I have in mind, but I expect SRL to fulfill the vast majority of my autoing needs.

Amen.

Go SRL/SCAR.

Im angry at KYAB.

From: solarwind
OMFG, JUST STICK TO BOTH. SCAR/SRL is depended on by KYAB. WHY ARGUE OVER IT?

OMG I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS, I AM SO MATURE. :rolleyes:


I have never used KYAB, and truly don't plan on using it.
Call me old fashioned, but I'll stick to what I know, and that is SCAR and SRL.

I had to vote use both. Theres just too many good srl scripts to not use it. Scar and srl has never gotten a character banned for me. I would never abandon something that is so dependable to cheat with and with so many talanted scripters.

KYAB of course as you all know is better than srl by itself. Its dependent on srl but the walking is just amazing. I was watching claws lummy mine today and it really blew me away with the alternate paths and the ore detection etc. But there is no KYAB without scar and srl.

I enjoy messing around with something new and testing it and watching it work. Your guys work on both sides really impresses me quite a bit. Srl is amazing and KYAB is as well. Both are big accomplishments at cheating because unlike bots you can actually get away with cheating.

I agree with keeping the communities split because srl does not need the influx of leechers that will come now that KYAB is now known to the public. Its much better off for them to regulate and deal with all the leeches that will be crawling on their own forums. This way srls application list doesnt overflow with false apps etc.

I really didnt think it needed to be put wide open to the world that KYAB existed either but its too late for that. It would have been better to keep it secretive because there is no doubt jagex can beat anything they want. Andrew is in the top 10 richest people in U.K. If he wants too win he will.

I dont think srl will ever die. Jagex has tried to stop scar and had you guys thinking when they made the colors shift on loading screens. But of course srl developers won that round too. Its a close community with intelligent members all around.
I can completely understand fakawis position because he saw another cheat destroy a community that was at its peak and thriving.

Things got off to a bad start with KYAB here really with arguments etc. and bad attitudes in general. I choose both because I like the idea of coexisting communitys each helping each other develop the best runescape cheating system ever made. Bad feelings and arguing accomplish nothing, its just gonna cause a bad divide in the communitys.

Its human nature to make something more simple and reliable. KYAB is that next step in the evolution of cheating. Just as scar divi was the evolution of scar itself, and how SRL was the evolution of all the includes ever made since scar was created. Its not simplifying srl in any way as its dependant on it and scar too. I think theres just practically alot of bad feelings over alot of previous threads that built to a head on the public release of this bot. If people would start respecting each other and keeping their emotions out of things and their posts this could develop into something powerfull.

From: tarajunky
I voted for Sticking with SRL. I may use KYAB a little bit, perhaps for one or two scripts that I have in mind, but I expect SRL to fulfill the vast majority of my autoing needs.

I don't like using the signed client. That's my primary objection to KYAB.

It takes one second for us to include a button in KYAB to use unsigned client. Easy as hell, since we only need the applet object. What would your opinion be when we add an unsigned applet option?

I have expressed numerous times, that One of the biggest reasons I have to be active here, is the sense of community and family I feel here, Starting from the very top with Fakai and his ideals, filtering down through Boreas, Wizzy and many other that have expressed at great deal of kindness to me, and have helped me try to stay positive and want to give back to the community in every way I can…..

The second biggest appeal was Fawaki's personal motto and creed…."We do not use any illegal methods. We do not infringe any copyright, we do not use our knowledge about the java code, we do not break any laws.", although it is generally said, their is no honor amongst thieves, I definitely believe the contrary is to be said for this community….It's true, we are ALL cheaters, but I do not believe we are made from the same mold, as that of say Bank Robbers…..We are cheating in a video game, but I believe that most people here hold themselves and others in higher standards, as opposed to your common, run of the mill, thugs, who have no regard for civil authority or public respect.This is what sets us apart from the rest of the "cheat engines".

Much work has went into developing SCAR and SRL to make cheating easier for all of us, this work is maintained and provided for us "Free of Charge", so long as we all abide by the common place rules set forth here…This is my perception…First and foremost, respect your neighbor, although they may have different views and opinions from your own, you must always keep in mind, that WE ALL share a common interest, and to achieve this, we must be able to over look each other's character flaws, Realize, that no matter how insignificant it may seem, we can all learn something from one another….Secondly….Have a willingness to want to expand your own horizons…Keep an open mind, Hold your tongue long enough for your neighbor to express his views, Do not be so quick to criticize if you do not agree, and try and convey your feelings in a mature and rational way….Always easier said than done, this I realize…, but after your mind starts to grow, and you are able to see things from other people's point of view, then you are able to gain the knowledge, to apply better reasons to your problems, and make solutions for yourself that may have not been possible before. Lastly,with this, comes a willingness, to want to contribute to the community, without the hope of personal gain, in any form it may manifest it self, Fame or Fortune.To provide scripts,Test other peoples ,share your own knowledge, and contribute to the well being of the community, to help other people in their own plight to find wisdom, will only help yourself to grow.

As of recently, an Era has ended for me, as it has for many other's.Finally growing Old of the monotony and repetition of the game itself.I have always enjoyed playing RS, but I was not addicted to the Gold Pieces or the status in the game they provided, I was on my own personal quest, to gather resources, which I could use to increase the skills of my character, which in turn would allow me to make the game more enjoyable for my family. I do realize some people recognize that these Gold Pieces can be converted into Real Life money, and I have always frowned on this approach. Both at the people only driven to Auto for monetary gains, and also the people that had the disposable income to purchase gold pieces with real life currency. Only with hopes to boost their status in a video game.True, I am a cheater, but I still "earned" the gold pieces, by taking the time to create the accounts to make the resources with.This is just my observation, but I put it forth as a reason, that some people have a hard time understanding why they are frowned upon,for monetary gains being their sole motivation for autoing or scripting.

Like some many other people,the thrill and excitement ,of not only running a script, but creating your very own, which makes your character come to life, has been more fulfilling then any achievements in the game could have ever offered me.We have all endured much frustration, when in the beginning, we were unexperienced, and we tried in vain to get a script to perform as we want, but how Sweet the reward, when after hours…weeks and sometimes months of hard work, it all just "clicks" , and all the time spent, Is rewarded to us in an instant, when we finally achieve what we have been working on.This is the true great reward from scripting, and I believe this community is split into 3 distinct groups…First, the ones who auto/Script solely for monetary gain, Second, the ones that learn to script out of necessity, to provide themselves with resources for their characters..and 3rd, the ultimate evolution…The ones who script solely to be rewarded in making their ideas in their head, transformed into code that manipulates the mouse to perform these actions.I feel that most people viewing the free scripts section, fail to realize, is the only reason they are using the elite scripts, is that the creators, wish to be able to share their creations, in hopes they to may be able to realize joys that come from making a script for yourself.

I was around, lurking, many months ago, and have witnessed many changes in this community,I realize, that the majority of the users here, are in their early teens, and while at that age, as you are just coming into your own. You are forming your own opinions, developing your own style, and laying the groundwork for your own personal ideals, that will span the rest of your life.I have learned,that while something may not have seemed like a big issue to you, it may have had a ground breaking impact on someone else.What you may consider, "water under the bridge", may still be tumbling and churning just on the other side.We've all heard the age Old adages, "One Bad Apple Spoils the whole Bunch", "The Straw that Broke the Camels Back" and "2 Wrongs Don't Make a Right"…..These have been around forever and will continue to be so, because they still convey meaning, that is applicable in our life….As with most bad memories, most of us would like to move on with life and pretend they didn't happen, but that all depends on which side of the fence you are standing on viewing the memory….Months ago, As was witnessed by this community, and upheaval of sorts began…where, rocks were tossed and glass was broken…many feelings were hurt, and not all of them have healed yet..It is also said "It takes 10 Rights, to Right a wrong"….If i may put it so Blatantly…"If You save someones life..You are a hero for 15 Minutes, If you Suck 1 D@#K, you're a C@^k $ucker the rest of your life"…It's human nature, to have a hard time letting go of the past, especially if you were harmed by one of your peers, someone you admired, respected and trusted.For many of us, these memories are still fresh in our minds, and the scars are still delicate to the touch.

I did make a comment in Regards to Solar yesterday, but I retracted it, because just as I had posted, Fakas locked the thread, I thought twice, and realized, that he would not be able to respond, also, at the same time, He realized that it would be in his best interest to make his own forums.I can not recall my exact words, but Solar's last words were "That he does not take Sh!t from anyone" …..I believe this has been his underlying problem for a long time now….I also stated, that I believe he had matured greatly in the past months, since the aforementioned incident, but by displaying this attitude, he was hindering his talents greatly.I also said something to the effect, that it appeared, he was trying to achieve some kind of recognition for his work…but by making that comment, we are all at his whim, and if he feels his ego is not being stroked enough, he could pull the plug on this at any time….I do wish that he is able to grow and mature, and able to look other people's views optimistically, but I have a also changed my view of him last night…..KYAB is his baby, although it may not be an Elite script, as scriptors, we must look at him in this way…Some people wish to be compensated for their time and abilities, in making both scripts and cheat engines that require you to pay for their use….I respect Solar, in that he has spent ,no doubt a great deal of time making this utility, and wishes to provide it free of charge to the community…As with everyone else, I still hold the past events in the back of my mind, and this leads me to question his motives now…Maybe he does wish to receive some Fame and Notoriety from this, and although his attitude is still short tempered and sharp tongued, he is still putting forth a lot of effort, to make sure this script is only used by people that SRL Forums deems worthy…..I have been personally reviewing some of the appliances there, and he is still maintaining a degree of respect, which ultimately points back in this direction..to this community, and its founders.

I personally have not used KYAB to auto with, I have tested a few scripts, logged in with it to gather tiles that may be of use to people in the future.I totally agree, that by using this utility, it is a form of taking the "easy way out", and it comes with its pros and cons…It is very well argued, that all of the hard work, that has went into all of the different types of walking has been rendered obsolete, when relying on KYAB solely, but this allows you to devote your time, to creating scripts, that were once, only but a dream.I personally enjoy the "Old School' approach, of using SCAR, the procedures and functions created only in it, to auto with.Several reasons for this, that have already been argued..Although we have been assured repeatedly, that is is undetectable, I have the well being of knowing, while using SCAR, I am sustained from being within the RS client, and any ramifications that could ever present themselves in the future, for any kind of copyright infringement and or detection. I have a sense of pride, in knowing that I, or the person's script I am using, devoted much time , energy and patience in creating a script, that relies solely on picking colors alone, and a great feeling of pride comes from this.However, as I stated, I do respect all the hard work that has went into KYAB, I will continue to offer assistance where I can, and continue to try and learn from it as much as possible…Knowledge is Power…..

Best wishes and Highest regard to Fakawi and Solar…

~RAM

Well said…definitely deserved Moderatorship

Ram you should have just locked the topic after that post.

RAM_RUNE

Wow. All i could ever possibly say is that
I pray that EVERY person on this forum reads EVERY last word of Ram-Rune's Post.
And then reads it again.

I am honored to be here.

From: The Claw
RAM_RUNE

RAM_RUNE should get those around his name.

– NO OFFENCE TO RAM RUNE WHAT SO EVER –

I RESPECT HIM HUMBLY

"
I did make a comment in Regards to Solar yesterday, but I retracted it, because just as I had posted, Fakas locked the thread, I thought twice, and realized, that he would not be able to respond, also, at the same time, He realized that it would be in his best interest to make his own forums.I can not recall my exact words, but Solar's last words were "That he does not take Sh!t from anyone" …..I believe this has been his underlying problem for a long time now….I also stated, that I believe he had matured greatly in the past months, since the aforementioned incident, but by displaying this attitude, he was hindering his talents greatly.I also said something to the effect, that it appeared, he was trying to achieve some kind of recognition for his work…but by making that comment, we are all at his whim, and if he feels his ego is not being stroked enough, he could pull the plug on this at any time….I do wish that he is able to grow and mature, and able to look other people's views optimistically, but I have a also changed my view of him last night…..KYAB is his baby, although it may not be an Elite script, as scriptors, we must look at him in this way…Some people wish to be compensated for their time and abilities, in making both scripts and cheat engines that require you to pay for their use….I respect Solar, in that he has spent ,no doubt a great deal of time making this utility, and wishes to provide it free of charge to the community…As with everyone else, I still hold the past events in the back of my mind, and this leads me to question his motives now…Maybe he does wish to receive some Fame and Notoriety from this, and although his attitude is still short tempered and sharp tongued, he is still putting forth a lot of effort, to make sure this script is only used by people that SRL Forums deems worthy…..I have been personally reviewing some of the appliances there, and he is still maintaining a degree of respect, which ultimately points back in this direction..to this community, and its founders.
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Ahahahhahahhhahhahhah OMFG I'm ROFLing IRL. Muhahhahhahhahha!!!

I think I can see where you're coming from. However, you have an inaccurate perception of my attitude. I'm not out to "stroke my ego" or have a bunch of noobs call me god. I don't give a shit to be honest. I'm only out to learn and that's why this project was started. I really don't need that shit from anyone, as I know the quality of KYAB already and the hours that Ben spent teaching me about this shit are countless. I really don't care if it gets used or not becuase you guys have only begun to scratch the surface of client hacking (acceptable since you're a colour botting community). You may not realize the power of such a bot, but that's ok, that's what the bot is out to do - teach you guys. Besides, there is no one on this forum to tell me that I have "matured" or not or judge me in any way whatsoever.

Note: the reason I don't take shit from anyone is that this is a petty internet discussion group. It is merely that and that only. I don't want to be stressing over some douche bag telling me that, oh "solar has matured" or "solar has changed". I mean, like, what the fuck. It's the damn INTERNET. WHO CARES ABOUT ALL THAT. Aren't we here to LEARN? I mean seriously!


BTW star, I don't want another one of your damn infraction shit in my fucking PM!

Clearly both have they're advatages and disadvatages lets all just leave it at that so srl forums dont get split up…… anyone else agree?

From: wired16
Clearly both have they're advatages and disadvatages lets all just leave it at that so srl forums dont get split up…… anyone else agree?

Nothing is going to split.

Edit: I just noticed that the MAJORITY of the people are looking forward to using KYAB AND SCAR/SRL. That is the best option at the moment.

i hope it doesnt as that would be a dissapointment…

great, another ARGA or Aryan or Ibot for the leechers.

logic guy.. you have to be a mem to be able to get KYAB.. leetchers wont get it..

From: logical guy711
great, another ARGA or Aryan or Ibot for the leechers.

No, not for the leechers, you must prove yourself worthy to get in and use it.

I am disappointed that the SRL community, which I have been a member of for a long time, would react in the way that we all have demonstrated. So far, for historical purposes, this is what has happed to me during these events. I was away for a long time, as runescape had gotten old. LardMaster contacted me on MSN asking many random questions about client hacking. Eventually he reveals that SolarWind is working on a bot. SolarWind, who up until this point I had not met, begins to ask for help on his bot. I walked him through java reflection and hacking the client. We managed to get the small number of available hooks working as required. The bot was built, tested, SCAR communication added, and posted on SRL. The intent of this bot was to provide easy and flawless walking for SCAR. You may argue that you already have flawless walking, which I agree with. However, you also must agree that it’s not something that you can pick up on quickly. I added some more hooks to the bot and posted them. At this point I began to notice that most everyone here did not like SolarWind. I have through this time experianced support from Fakawi, (mild) interest from Freddy, and rejection from Whizzup.

People have accused KYAB of being everything from RSDemon in disguise, to IBot trying to take over Scar. My question is, what did KYAB do to spark such a flat out war between people who usually get along? More to the point, is it the monster you hate, or the creators? I am, personally, disinclined to develop KYAB any further if people are going to go to war over it. However, it is my opinion that most people who disagree with KYAB have not used it, and have no real founding in their beliefs. Here is what I don't understand: I've been around for a very long time; I saw AutoRune fall, I saw Scar born, I watched Aryan rise, and fall. I was loosely associated with Arga, and I’ve watched the mindset of the cheating community change, however, in my entire time of cheating I have never seen a project publicly ridiculed and bashed the way KYAB has been. Everyone looked forward to xScar which is the same thing in essence, Scar users looked forward to Aryan, AutoRune users were mildly interested in Scar… All other advancements were appreciated, except here. Interestingly, (god save me) the Impsoft forums seem more interested in KYAB in general, and most of them have not even seen it… So, someone tell me why there is such a hatred of adding extra features into scar?

In my humble opinion, I think everyone, including SolarWind, is making KYAB seem more powerful and dangerous than it really is. This whole thing is just a massive misunderstanding between people involving events from the past which should have been resolved differently. The hard feelings spawned from misinformation, many opinions taken too seriously, and overreactions from people on both sides. Sadly, SolarWind hasn’t helped matters by being generally hard to get along with for anyone who he doesn’t like.


I’m not one to speak my mind; I would rather let people go about their lives never knowing what I think about them. I have other things to attend to besides RuneScape, and it bothers me that I put in a good solid week of work into this bot, along with coming back to the forums. Because of this, I might very well be taking the dislike of KYAB too personally. If I wasn’t working on another project at the moment, this whole fiasco would most likely convince me to drift back away from all things RuneScape. That being said, here are my opinions.

SRL is my favorite community because of the atmosphere and the absence of the need to make money. The Developers of SRL appear to have lost their enthusiasm. Most cheaters in all forums have little or no knowledge of the method of cheating they are using. There are very few major Scar advancements (including KYAB, its not major). Generally, everyone acts hypocritical whether they realize it or not. I’ve never been much of a Scar scripter, and I’ve often wondered why I was requested to join the SRL Devs, although I’ve done my best to contribute what I can, including a new mouse that may or may not be used in SRL. Most people refuse to see eye to eye with another person, and believe only in their view point. Dislike has become much more common than friendliness in the entire cheating community. Impsoft and SRL fighting/not getting along is just stupid; you are all cheaters going towards the same goal. If you’ve read everything I’ve written; you’re insane. KYAB is not the end of the world, the best bot in history, the biggest blow to Jagex, the best thing that happened to Scar, comparable to RSDemon, or at all untrustworthy. Fakawi, I understand your points, and agree with most. Whizup, I realize that you and SolarWind pretty much hate each other. SolarWind, you are too dramatic and to quick to attack. BenLand100, why do you even try anymore? Scar users, don't use KYAB if you don't want to, don’t use SRL if you don’t want to, don’t use Scar for RuneScape if you don’t want to, don’t use the new scar if you don’t like Freddy (joking :)).

I fully understand and support KYAB and SRL being two separate and unrelated entities. I only meant it to be an addition that people could use, without being part of SRL. However, people took it too far, and angered others by making suggestions like adding it to Scar, which was absurd to begin with.

As a final statement, anyone who does not see a community of brilliant minds for the powerful thing it is has missed the whole point of RuneScape cheating. We are all hopefully here to learn and contribute. But we must also remember that there are real people on the other end of the line. Life is too short to dislike people because of the way they are, and there is no reason to try to change them to a manner preferred by yourself; you will only make things worse.

From: BenLand100
Scar users, don't use KYAB if you don't want to, don’t use SRL if you don’t want to, don’t use Scar for RuneScape if you don’t want to, don’t use the new scar if you don’t like Freddy (joking :)).

I fully understand and support KYAB and SRL being two separate and unrelated entities.

As a final statement, anyone who does not see a community of brilliant minds for the powerful thing it is has missed the whole point of RuneScape cheating. We are all hopefully here to learn and contribute. But we must also remember that there are real people on the other end of the line. Life is too short to dislike people because of the way they are, and there is no reason to try to change them to a manner preferred by yourself; you will only make things worse.

It's true, every last word of it. We all need to try to be more agreable, more polite, more helpfull, more respectfull, and less radical. It will be what makes this community a good, safe place to be. There really is no use arguing, and I feel that any attempt made to (like saying kyab sucks because of xyz) shoud be frowned upon greatly by this community.

I need to personally apologie as well, I hvae gotten wrpped up into this whole ordeal pretty heavily. From solar threateneing to destroy srl with it, I probably have caused a few un peacefull posts. I apologize to anyone I have offended.

Correct Ben.

Well, I'm not a scripter and never will be, but here is what I pull out of this thread and the last few years of researching autoing before I perked up the courage to try .. you have three groups of people: 1) scripters, 2) people who use scripts and share their experiences with group one to help the scripters improve their scripts, and 3) people who use scripts and don't do anything to help.

The first group is going to have the best opportunity to access KYAB. There aren't enough people in the first group who will use it as consistently as people are using SCAR and SRL.

The second group will not have an opportunity to access KYAB; therefore the scripts will never be as refined as some of the SCAR/SRL scripts.

The third group will manage to get a hold of KYAB from some corrupt member of the first group and subsequently throw a wrench in the entire operation.

Just my thoughts and could be completely off-base .. but I would say that knowledge and creation are always lovely things .. just be mindful of your desired outcome and strive towards that end. Every product needs a customer and sometimes the best customers are not the ones who are in competition with your product - if you restrict it to the first group you will miss out on a huge customer input base.

I for one as a part of the second group will continue to use SCAR/SRL and share my observations with the talented people who script for them :) If given the opportunity to try KYAB I probably would, but not restrict myself to either product solely .. instead would restrict myself by scripts :)

agreed ben

I think everyone should read ever word of Ben's post because it is important and is exactly how i feel about SRL i have lost my main recently all the hard money i worked for while i was still playing runescape.

I no longer care about getting back at jagex i no longer get the desire to get a script such as an iron miner and banker and run it to get that awesome gp, i no longer care about runescape what i care about is being in this community i am not sure why i like so much being here all day long (i spend countless our at these forums daily).

What i do care is about learning to script learning learning learning!

As a final statement IMO i say that with or without KYAB i will never leave this community i also think KYAB looks like it helps our scripting so why not use it?

when we get the walking part of our scripts done easier then we can focus on more important things thus improve our scripts more to the breaking limit!

I must apologize that i have no authority to post this because i am not yet a SRL member (you wait and see) so its most likely that no one will read this but if they do try and understand my points of view please.

Im going to be completly realistic here for a moment. The problem right now between the 2 groups that have formed (pro kyab and anti kyab) is peoples language and attitude towards one another.

Theres alot of flaming and disrespect going on in a community that was built out of respect and a desire to make the ultimate undetectable runescape cheat. In all reality its peoples attitudes and language towards one another that has led to this divide.

A majority of users want to use Kyab and scar srl both as seen in the poll. This is not a cheap hack like aryan, this is not a raping client like rsdemon. This is a well thought out intelligent client that has amazing capabilites as you can see if you run a script on it. Call it dumbing ,down call it what you like ,it makes srl and scar much more reliable.

I have used scar for along time now and walking and detection have always been a problem. Why shun something that can fix this problem? This community has always strived to perfect scar and this client can do it.

It needs to be kept private and it needs to be watched closely for leechers because it does have potential for abuse because its reliabilty. But the devs of KYAB are taking every measure they can to prevent this.

I respect anyone intelligent enough to create this cheats. It blows my mind that people 15 years younger than me can create something so complex. We need to realize that if we worked together and stopped having attitudes towards one another we could take scar and srl to another level with this client.

Sure there may be issues involved with messing with the rs java client and if srl does not want to deal with them thats fine. He has his own forum to post it on now. Seperate but together sounds good to me, just remember next time you get ready to cuss someone out or flame them it really dont help.

Make love not war!

KYAB is a wonderful application which you MAY use. You aren't forced to use it, just use it if you want to! But if you don't use KYAB, do not dislike the guys who do use it.

Now give each other a big hug!

I guess its safe to lock now, is it?


Thank you everybody for keeping this a descent discussion. I respect your views and all have brought up very convincing points that has given great elaboration to this discussion.

I hope I am not offending anybody by closing it now…..

Peace out.